Is Keto Worth it?
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johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes.
Please stop making unsubstantiated medical claims.
What do you see as the least common denominator cause of premature death due due to health failure?17 -
I am 10days in - I hate it sofar - I am hungry and week.
It is one of the most complex diets to get right.
I do like the idea but has caused some people to collapse faint end up in hostpital on an iv.
Easier is counting just calories for me.
Keto is
Adapting - count macros that’s 75% fat, 20% protein and 5% carbs then after adaption if your not loosing weight you have to count calories!!!
If your not feeling well - “Keto flu”
Your bound to be doing something wrong. Most will tell you electrolytes are missing and your dehydrating. Because it drains you in the process.
Also I find that. it enough this is put on not eating sugar making sure sugar and carbs are low in everything you eat.
My bonuses - I was able to get off high PB pills within 3 days of not eating sugar and bread, pastry - keto style, after 10 days I still am working on getting the macros right and adding my own recipe for electrolytes.
I think you think Keto is about loosing weight. It's about your bonuses you mentioned.
As keto helped my health issues that were leading towards my premature death I did go on to loose 50 pounds that has stayed off for over 3 years now eating around 3000 calories daily so I never go hungry.
Keto is giving me a another chance at life at age 67.
Look at your bonuses and eating when you get hungry. I found to go hungry to lose weight to not work and it was self abuse in my case.
Best regards as you learn your way forward.16 -
I lost 68 pounds on Keto since March. Worth it for me.5
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GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes.
Please stop making unsubstantiated medical claims.
What do you see as the least common denominator cause of premature death due due to health failure?
I don't see carbohydrates anywhere on that list
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If you don't have a medical condition, weight issue is BEHAVIORAL rather than diet based. Countries that don't have obesity problems are moderate eaters. That's where the behavior needs to be rather than what fad diet you should do.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes. For me it is pain manage first of all then to try and prevent cataracts, heart disease and cancer but not necessarily in that order.
Prevents heart disease and cancer? Any legit sources to back this up? Gee, I wish I could have told my mom and dad about keto before they died..........
*sigh*8 -
cerise_noir wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes. For me it is pain manage first of all then to try and prevent cataracts, heart disease and cancer but not necessarily in that order.
Prevents heart disease and cancer? Any legit sources to back this up? Gee, I wish I could have told my mom and dad about keto before they died..........
*sigh*
hmm I guess that means with my heart issues and not being able to do keto that its going to be an early death for me.5 -
@cerise_noir @CharlieBeansmomTracey
Keto is worth it!
Not only does it cure cancer and heart disease, it made me the woman that I am today.
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johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes.
Please stop making unsubstantiated medical claims.
What do you see as the least common denominator cause of premature death due due to health failure?
I don't see carbohydrates anywhere on that list
Do you plan to answer the question I asked you?13 -
cerise_noir wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes. For me it is pain manage first of all then to try and prevent cataracts, heart disease and cancer but not necessarily in that order.
Prevents heart disease and cancer? Any legit sources to back this up? Gee, I wish I could have told my mom and dad about keto before they died..........
*sigh*
@cerise_noir sorry about your parents I know I wish I knew about Keto the way I do today before my parents died of CHF in 1994 and breast cancer in 1999 when each were only 72. The good news for us today we know so much more about the positive health impact from Keto WOE's and now we all can share this with our families.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/eci.12591
"Figure 3 Mitochondrial effects of ketogenic diets. Ketogenic
diets are used in the treatment of several diseases, such as
epilepsy, Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease,
amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, cancer and brain trauma. Ketone
bodies such as acetoacetate (AA) and b-hydroxybutyrate (bOHB)
lead to decreases in oxidative stress and improvements
in mitochondrial biogenesis and mitochondrial function.
Ketogenic diets may also induce a heteroplasmic shift,
reducing pathogenic mutations on mitochondrial DNA
(mtDNA).
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GaleHawkins wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes. For me it is pain manage first of all then to try and prevent cataracts, heart disease and cancer but not necessarily in that order.
Prevents heart disease and cancer? Any legit sources to back this up? Gee, I wish I could have told my mom and dad about keto before they died..........
*sigh*
@cerise_noir sorry about your parents I know I wish I knew about Keto the way I do today before my parents died of CHF in 1994 and breast cancer in 1999 when each were only 72. The good news for us today we know so much more about the positive health impact from Keto WOE's and now we all can share this with our families.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/eci.12591
"Figure 3 Mitochondrial effects of ketogenic diets. Ketogenic
diets are used in the treatment of several diseases, such as
epilepsy, Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease,
amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, cancer and brain trauma. Ketone
bodies such as acetoacetate (AA) and b-hydroxybutyrate (bOHB)
lead to decreases in oxidative stress and improvements
in mitochondrial biogenesis and mitochondrial function.
Ketogenic diets may also induce a heteroplasmic shift,
reducing pathogenic mutations on mitochondrial DNA
(mtDNA).
Do you seriously believe that? That your parents would have lived longer simply by eating keto? That keto is the be all and end all of preventing or curing every medical illness? I'd suggest you step away from Fung et al and start looking at what peer-reviewed science says instead because if people that are gullible enough to believe what you write you could be causing them long-term damage.13 -
Lillymoo01 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes. For me it is pain manage first of all then to try and prevent cataracts, heart disease and cancer but not necessarily in that order.
Prevents heart disease and cancer? Any legit sources to back this up? Gee, I wish I could have told my mom and dad about keto before they died..........
*sigh*
@cerise_noir sorry about your parents I know I wish I knew about Keto the way I do today before my parents died of CHF in 1994 and breast cancer in 1999 when each were only 72. The good news for us today we know so much more about the positive health impact from Keto WOE's and now we all can share this with our families.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/eci.12591
"Figure 3 Mitochondrial effects of ketogenic diets. Ketogenic
diets are used in the treatment of several diseases, such as
epilepsy, Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease,
amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, cancer and brain trauma. Ketone
bodies such as acetoacetate (AA) and b-hydroxybutyrate (bOHB)
lead to decreases in oxidative stress and improvements
in mitochondrial biogenesis and mitochondrial function.
Ketogenic diets may also induce a heteroplasmic shift,
reducing pathogenic mutations on mitochondrial DNA
(mtDNA).
Do you seriously believe that? That your parents would have lived longer simply by eating keto? That keto is the be all and end all of preventing or curing every medical illness? I'd suggest you step away from Fung et al and start looking at what peer-reviewed science says instead because if people that are gullible enough to believe what you write you could be causing them long-term damage.
I think you know that I did not write the above posted link. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/eci.12591
"Ketogenic diets: from cancer to mitochondrial diseases
and beyond
Ana F. Branco*,a, Andre Ferreira *,a, Rui F. Simoes* ~ ,a, Sılvia Magalhaes-Novais ~ *, Cheryl Zehowski†
,
Elisabeth Cope‡
, Ana Marta Silva*, Daniela Pereira*, Vilma A. Sardao~ * and Teresa Cunha-Oliveira*
*
CNC – Center for Neuroscience and Cell Biology, University of Coimbra, Coimbra, Portugal, †
Department of Biomedical
Sciences, University of Minnesota Medical School, Duluth, MN, ‡
Department of Applied Medical Sciences, University of
Southern Maine, Portland, ME, USA
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GaleHawkins wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes. For me it is pain manage first of all then to try and prevent cataracts, heart disease and cancer but not necessarily in that order.
Prevents heart disease and cancer? Any legit sources to back this up? Gee, I wish I could have told my mom and dad about keto before they died..........
*sigh*
@cerise_noir sorry about your parents I know I wish I knew about Keto the way I do today before my parents died of CHF in 1994 and breast cancer in 1999 when each were only 72. The good news for us today we know so much more about the positive health impact from Keto WOE's and now we all can share this with our families.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/eci.12591
"Figure 3 Mitochondrial effects of ketogenic diets. Ketogenic
diets are used in the treatment of several diseases, such as
epilepsy, Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease,
amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, cancer and brain trauma. Ketone
bodies such as acetoacetate (AA) and b-hydroxybutyrate (bOHB)
lead to decreases in oxidative stress and improvements
in mitochondrial biogenesis and mitochondrial function.
Ketogenic diets may also induce a heteroplasmic shift,
reducing pathogenic mutations on mitochondrial DNA
(mtDNA).
Do you seriously believe that? That your parents would have lived longer simply by eating keto? That keto is the be all and end all of preventing or curing every medical illness? I'd suggest you step away from Fung et al and start looking at what peer-reviewed science says instead because if people that are gullible enough to believe what you write you could be causing them long-term damage.
I think you know that I did not write the above posted link. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/eci.12591
"Ketogenic diets: from cancer to mitochondrial diseases
and beyond
Ana F. Branco*,a, Andre Ferreira *,a, Rui F. Simoes* ~ ,a, Sılvia Magalhaes-Novais ~ *, Cheryl Zehowski†
,
Elisabeth Cope‡
, Ana Marta Silva*, Daniela Pereira*, Vilma A. Sardao~ * and Teresa Cunha-Oliveira*
*
CNC – Center for Neuroscience and Cell Biology, University of Coimbra, Coimbra, Portugal, †
Department of Biomedical
Sciences, University of Minnesota Medical School, Duluth, MN, ‡
Department of Applied Medical Sciences, University of
Southern Maine, Portland, ME, USA
Actually, I read it and as far as the cancer link goes it is very much inconclusive with many mixed results. As quoted from the article:
"Interestingly, mice fed a restricted standard diet displayed the same beneficial outcomes as mice fed the restricted ketogenic diet...these results cast doubt on whether the positive effects were mediated by carbohydrate or caloric restriction"
pssstt ... studies on humans have actually shown that a diet low in fat is most effective in slowing the growth of breast cancer cells so keto would not have helped your mother in the slightest.
Simply put, there has not been enough research conducted with human trials to be able to come to the conclusion that keto can help with cancer treatment and absolutely none that suggests that keto will prevent cancer in the first place. Studies on mice show promising results in the treatment of some cancers when keto is used in conjunction with other treatment but that keto can do the opposite with others. It also needs to be remembered that humans are not mice and it is not uncommon for studies showing positive results on mice to not translate to the same results when done with humans.
The only thing that keto has been proven to help with are neurological disorders.14 -
Well I was thinking of trying it too. The thing is if you bloat easily then i think it would be beneficial7
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Lillymoo01 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes. For me it is pain manage first of all then to try and prevent cataracts, heart disease and cancer but not necessarily in that order.
Prevents heart disease and cancer? Any legit sources to back this up? Gee, I wish I could have told my mom and dad about keto before they died..........
*sigh*
@cerise_noir sorry about your parents I know I wish I knew about Keto the way I do today before my parents died of CHF in 1994 and breast cancer in 1999 when each were only 72. The good news for us today we know so much more about the positive health impact from Keto WOE's and now we all can share this with our families.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/eci.12591
"Figure 3 Mitochondrial effects of ketogenic diets. Ketogenic
diets are used in the treatment of several diseases, such as
epilepsy, Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease,
amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, cancer and brain trauma. Ketone
bodies such as acetoacetate (AA) and b-hydroxybutyrate (bOHB)
lead to decreases in oxidative stress and improvements
in mitochondrial biogenesis and mitochondrial function.
Ketogenic diets may also induce a heteroplasmic shift,
reducing pathogenic mutations on mitochondrial DNA
(mtDNA).
Do you seriously believe that? That your parents would have lived longer simply by eating keto? That keto is the be all and end all of preventing or curing every medical illness? I'd suggest you step away from Fung et al and start looking at what peer-reviewed science says instead because if people that are gullible enough to believe what you write you could be causing them long-term damage.
I think you know that I did not write the above posted link. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/eci.12591
"Ketogenic diets: from cancer to mitochondrial diseases
and beyond
Ana F. Branco*,a, Andre Ferreira *,a, Rui F. Simoes* ~ ,a, Sılvia Magalhaes-Novais ~ *, Cheryl Zehowski†
,
Elisabeth Cope‡
, Ana Marta Silva*, Daniela Pereira*, Vilma A. Sardao~ * and Teresa Cunha-Oliveira*
*
CNC – Center for Neuroscience and Cell Biology, University of Coimbra, Coimbra, Portugal, †
Department of Biomedical
Sciences, University of Minnesota Medical School, Duluth, MN, ‡
Department of Applied Medical Sciences, University of
Southern Maine, Portland, ME, USA
Actually, I read it and as far as the cancer link goes it is very much inconclusive with many mixed results. As quoted from the article:
"Interestingly, mice fed a restricted standard diet displayed the same beneficial outcomes as mice fed the restricted ketogenic diet...these results cast doubt on whether the positive effects were mediated by carbohydrate or caloric restriction"
pssstt ... studies on humans have actually shown that a diet low in fat is most effective with slowing the growth of breast cancer cells so keto would not have helped your mother in the slightest.
The only thing that keto has been proven to help with are neurological disorders.
And Type 2 diabetes, etc.14 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes. For me it is pain manage first of all then to try and prevent cataracts, heart disease and cancer but not necessarily in that order.
Prevents heart disease and cancer? Any legit sources to back this up? Gee, I wish I could have told my mom and dad about keto before they died..........
*sigh*
@cerise_noir sorry about your parents I know I wish I knew about Keto the way I do today before my parents died of CHF in 1994 and breast cancer in 1999 when each were only 72. The good news for us today we know so much more about the positive health impact from Keto WOE's and now we all can share this with our families.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/eci.12591
"Figure 3 Mitochondrial effects of ketogenic diets. Ketogenic
diets are used in the treatment of several diseases, such as
epilepsy, Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease,
amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, cancer and brain trauma. Ketone
bodies such as acetoacetate (AA) and b-hydroxybutyrate (bOHB)
lead to decreases in oxidative stress and improvements
in mitochondrial biogenesis and mitochondrial function.
Ketogenic diets may also induce a heteroplasmic shift,
reducing pathogenic mutations on mitochondrial DNA
(mtDNA).
Do you seriously believe that? That your parents would have lived longer simply by eating keto? That keto is the be all and end all of preventing or curing every medical illness? I'd suggest you step away from Fung et al and start looking at what peer-reviewed science says instead because if people that are gullible enough to believe what you write you could be causing them long-term damage.
I think you know that I did not write the above posted link. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/eci.12591
"Ketogenic diets: from cancer to mitochondrial diseases
and beyond
Ana F. Branco*,a, Andre Ferreira *,a, Rui F. Simoes* ~ ,a, Sılvia Magalhaes-Novais ~ *, Cheryl Zehowski†
,
Elisabeth Cope‡
, Ana Marta Silva*, Daniela Pereira*, Vilma A. Sardao~ * and Teresa Cunha-Oliveira*
*
CNC – Center for Neuroscience and Cell Biology, University of Coimbra, Coimbra, Portugal, †
Department of Biomedical
Sciences, University of Minnesota Medical School, Duluth, MN, ‡
Department of Applied Medical Sciences, University of
Southern Maine, Portland, ME, USA
Actually, I read it and as far as the cancer link goes it is very much inconclusive with many mixed results. As quoted from the article:
"Interestingly, mice fed a restricted standard diet displayed the same beneficial outcomes as mice fed the restricted ketogenic diet...these results cast doubt on whether the positive effects were mediated by carbohydrate or caloric restriction"
pssstt ... studies on humans have actually shown that a diet low in fat is most effective with slowing the growth of breast cancer cells so keto would not have helped your mother in the slightest.
The only thing that keto has been proven to help with are neurological disorders.
And Type 2 diabetes, etc.
It can but, for the most part, the best-proven treatment for type 2 diabetes is to reduce your weight and increase your exercise. Many have had the same results for managing diabetes on much higher carb and lower fat diets. Some even see great success with a standard vegan diet. If keto was the best, or only treatment it would be the most recommended one by diabetes organisations around the world.12 -
Lillymoo01 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes. For me it is pain manage first of all then to try and prevent cataracts, heart disease and cancer but not necessarily in that order.
Prevents heart disease and cancer? Any legit sources to back this up? Gee, I wish I could have told my mom and dad about keto before they died..........
*sigh*
@cerise_noir sorry about your parents I know I wish I knew about Keto the way I do today before my parents died of CHF in 1994 and breast cancer in 1999 when each were only 72. The good news for us today we know so much more about the positive health impact from Keto WOE's and now we all can share this with our families.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/eci.12591
"Figure 3 Mitochondrial effects of ketogenic diets. Ketogenic
diets are used in the treatment of several diseases, such as
epilepsy, Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease,
amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, cancer and brain trauma. Ketone
bodies such as acetoacetate (AA) and b-hydroxybutyrate (bOHB)
lead to decreases in oxidative stress and improvements
in mitochondrial biogenesis and mitochondrial function.
Ketogenic diets may also induce a heteroplasmic shift,
reducing pathogenic mutations on mitochondrial DNA
(mtDNA).
Do you seriously believe that? That your parents would have lived longer simply by eating keto? That keto is the be all and end all of preventing or curing every medical illness? I'd suggest you step away from Fung et al and start looking at what peer-reviewed science says instead because if people that are gullible enough to believe what you write you could be causing them long-term damage.
I think you know that I did not write the above posted link. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/eci.12591
"Ketogenic diets: from cancer to mitochondrial diseases
and beyond
Ana F. Branco*,a, Andre Ferreira *,a, Rui F. Simoes* ~ ,a, Sılvia Magalhaes-Novais ~ *, Cheryl Zehowski†
,
Elisabeth Cope‡
, Ana Marta Silva*, Daniela Pereira*, Vilma A. Sardao~ * and Teresa Cunha-Oliveira*
*
CNC – Center for Neuroscience and Cell Biology, University of Coimbra, Coimbra, Portugal, †
Department of Biomedical
Sciences, University of Minnesota Medical School, Duluth, MN, ‡
Department of Applied Medical Sciences, University of
Southern Maine, Portland, ME, USA
Actually, I read it and as far as the cancer link goes it is very much inconclusive with many mixed results. As quoted from the article:
"Interestingly, mice fed a restricted standard diet displayed the same beneficial outcomes as mice fed the restricted ketogenic diet...these results cast doubt on whether the positive effects were mediated by carbohydrate or caloric restriction"
pssstt ... studies on humans have actually shown that a diet low in fat is most effective with slowing the growth of breast cancer cells so keto would not have helped your mother in the slightest.
The only thing that keto has been proven to help with are neurological disorders.
And Type 2 diabetes, etc.
It can but, for the most part, the best-proven treatment for type 2 diabetes is to reduce your weight and increase your exercise. Many have had the same results for managing diabetes on much higher carb and lower fat diets. Some even see great success with a standard vegan diet. If keto was the best, or only treatment it would be the most recommended one by diabetes organisations around the world.
In my case Keto sure reduced my weight and enabled me to increase my exercise due to my pain relief and 30 years of IBS resolving. BG fasting levels went into the non diabetic range thankfully.16 -
It was hard for a week. you get used to it, but i wont do it long term. If you like a drink or two or three at night, keto is great (depending on the choice of drink) , if not, it will work but counting calories is better.1
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GaleHawkins wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes. For me it is pain manage first of all then to try and prevent cataracts, heart disease and cancer but not necessarily in that order.
Prevents heart disease and cancer? Any legit sources to back this up? Gee, I wish I could have told my mom and dad about keto before they died..........
*sigh*
@cerise_noir sorry about your parents I know I wish I knew about Keto the way I do today before my parents died of CHF in 1994 and breast cancer in 1999 when each were only 72. The good news for us today we know so much more about the positive health impact from Keto WOE's and now we all can share this with our families.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/eci.12591
"Figure 3 Mitochondrial effects of ketogenic diets. Ketogenic
diets are used in the treatment of several diseases, such as
epilepsy, Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease,
amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, cancer and brain trauma. Ketone
bodies such as acetoacetate (AA) and b-hydroxybutyrate (bOHB)
lead to decreases in oxidative stress and improvements
in mitochondrial biogenesis and mitochondrial function.
Ketogenic diets may also induce a heteroplasmic shift,
reducing pathogenic mutations on mitochondrial DNA
(mtDNA).
Do you seriously believe that? That your parents would have lived longer simply by eating keto? That keto is the be all and end all of preventing or curing every medical illness? I'd suggest you step away from Fung et al and start looking at what peer-reviewed science says instead because if people that are gullible enough to believe what you write you could be causing them long-term damage.
I think you know that I did not write the above posted link. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/eci.12591
"Ketogenic diets: from cancer to mitochondrial diseases
and beyond
Ana F. Branco*,a, Andre Ferreira *,a, Rui F. Simoes* ~ ,a, Sılvia Magalhaes-Novais ~ *, Cheryl Zehowski†
,
Elisabeth Cope‡
, Ana Marta Silva*, Daniela Pereira*, Vilma A. Sardao~ * and Teresa Cunha-Oliveira*
*
CNC – Center for Neuroscience and Cell Biology, University of Coimbra, Coimbra, Portugal, †
Department of Biomedical
Sciences, University of Minnesota Medical School, Duluth, MN, ‡
Department of Applied Medical Sciences, University of
Southern Maine, Portland, ME, USA
Actually, I read it and as far as the cancer link goes it is very much inconclusive with many mixed results. As quoted from the article:
"Interestingly, mice fed a restricted standard diet displayed the same beneficial outcomes as mice fed the restricted ketogenic diet...these results cast doubt on whether the positive effects were mediated by carbohydrate or caloric restriction"
pssstt ... studies on humans have actually shown that a diet low in fat is most effective with slowing the growth of breast cancer cells so keto would not have helped your mother in the slightest.
The only thing that keto has been proven to help with are neurological disorders.
And Type 2 diabetes, etc.
It can but, for the most part, the best-proven treatment for type 2 diabetes is to reduce your weight and increase your exercise. Many have had the same results for managing diabetes on much higher carb and lower fat diets. Some even see great success with a standard vegan diet. If keto was the best, or only treatment it would be the most recommended one by diabetes organisations around the world.
In my case Keto sure reduced my weight and enabled me to increase my exercise due to my pain relief and 30 years of IBS resolving. BG fasting levels went into the non diabetic range thankfully.
All due to weight loss. You have zero evidence otherwise
Spouting keto aa a cure all is unfounded, and frankly, irresponsible.
Please stop16 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes.
Please stop making unsubstantiated medical claims.
What do you see as the least common denominator cause of premature death due due to health failure?
I don't see carbohydrates anywhere on that list
Do you plan to answer the question I asked you?
Do you plan to stop trying to shift the burden of proof? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and preliminary rat studies with equivocal results don't qualify8
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