Is Keto Worth it?
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GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes.
Please stop making unsubstantiated medical claims.
What do you see as the least common denominator cause of premature death due due to health failure?
Simple, obesity, lack of exercise, smoking, family history (genetics), and drinking are the biggest factors. So if you are trying to prolong life, I hope you are in a healthy weight, exercise daily for 30 minutes or more a day, limit smoking and drinking, and if you really want to decrease risk, than almost limit processed foods. So the question is Gale, since you preach why you did Keto, how many of these do you also do?
Also, you should stop confusing treatment vs prevention. There is a significant difference between the two.
OP, the issue I have with keto (and luckily I only do it 4 days a week with 2 days of carb refeeds) is the lack of volume, it limits a ton of extremely healthy foods, and it limits a ton of variety.
And as some alluded to, it really comes down to what you can sustain. If you want, tailor down your carbs a bit to see what kind of restriction you have. And then slowly move to around 50g. In the end, if you find it difficult to hit those carb levels, than it's going to be very difficult to sustain.13 -
midwesterner85 wrote: »It isn't necessary for most, but it does make weight loss much easier for a lot of people. Is it worth in? Hmm.... I'm not sure what the trade-off is aside from avoiding foods with loads of carbs / sugar. As someone who can't eat a single donut, but will eat the whole box (ok, 3 boxes) as soon as I eat 1, it is much easier to avoid it altogether.
For me, personally, the tradeoffs were:
- No energy
- Digestive problems
- Depression and anxiety
- Hormonal issues
- Avoiding healthy and tasty foods that don't have loads of carbs/sugar
- Lack of autonomy
- Obsession with food
- Extreme hunger
- Stress
- Social stress
- Weight gain
Keto is worth it if it makes dieting easier for you, and isn't worth it if it doesn't. If done purely for weight loss, that's all there is to it.
ETA: if you do decide to go for keto, keep in mind that you still need to have your calories in check, so don't ignore that. You also need to pay attention to your electrolytes (eat more salt).10 -
I LOVE Keto! The food is great, I am not hungry, I am losing weight and have a ton of energy. It's not for everyone but it is working great for me when nothing else would7
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I think keto is amazing it's hard work for sure because it's not as simple as taking out carbs it's watching sugars ect even beetroot I was shot down on a keto page for being keto I've been in ketosis before and I lost so much that has stayed off but it did mess with my lady time!! I'd defo give it a try that is the reason tho I'm no longer in ketosis for my hormones it was too much hassle for me xx11
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I think keto is amazing it's hard work for sure because it's not as simple as taking out carbs it's watching sugars ect even beetroot I was shot down on a keto page for being keto I've been in ketosis before and I lost so much that has stayed off but it did mess with my lady time!! I'd defo give it a try that is the reason tho I'm no longer in ketosis for my hormones it was too much hassle for me xx
you lost weight due to a deficit. even with keto you have to have a deficit. you can gain weight doing keto. many have. if you lost a lot at a fast rate and it messed with your period I would say your calorie deficit was too steep. many do keto for pcos (which helps some with their period) too much of a deficit or too low of calories can mess with your period. so Im thinking that may have been the isue.6 -
Is it worth it? It is for me. I’ve lost about 55 pounds now in the last three months. I just recently started an exercise routine so almost all that weight was lost doing only Keto...no cardio! I’m only now starting a exercise plan because I really need to tone and strengthen my core. All the weight loss has left me flabby in the middle. I’m already within 10 pounds of my goal! I’m sure most will say that you can do that on any diet...and I’m sure it’s true. But I’ve never lost this much weight this fast without exercise. So YES Keto does work...at least for me it does. 🤗3
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mattaturtle wrote: »Is it worth it? It is for me. I’ve lost about 55 pounds now in the last three months. I just recently started an exercise routine so almost all that weight was lost doing only Keto...no cardio! I’m only now starting a exercise plan because I really need to tone and strengthen my core. All the weight loss has left me flabby in the middle. I’m already within 10 pounds of my goal! I’m sure most will say that you can do that on any diet...and I’m sure it’s true. But I’ve never lost this much weight this fast without exercise. So YES Keto does work...at least for me it does. 🤗
It's great that you lost that much weight, but quick weight loss also increases muscle loss, because aggressive deficits make it very hard to get the appropriate amount of protein, especially when you aren't weight training. I would highly recommend you lessen your deficit and start a well structured lifting routine, as well as incorporate appropriate levels of protein (.8 - 1.2g/lb), to help mitigate any more muscle loss, and if you are new, you might even be able to gain some muscle (at least a few lbs). The link below has a lot of good, well structured lifting routines.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10332083/which-lifting-program-is-the-best-for-you/p114 -
mattaturtle wrote: »Is it worth it? It is for me. I’ve lost about 55 pounds now in the last three months. I just recently started an exercise routine so almost all that weight was lost doing only Keto...no cardio! I’m only now starting a exercise plan because I really need to tone and strengthen my core. All the weight loss has left me flabby in the middle. I’m already within 10 pounds of my goal! I’m sure most will say that you can do that on any diet...and I’m sure it’s true. But I’ve never lost this much weight this fast without exercise. So YES Keto does work...at least for me it does. 🤗
It's great that you lost that much weight, but quick weight loss also increases muscle loss, because aggressive deficits make it very hard to get the appropriate amount of protein, especially when you aren't weight training. I would highly recommend you lessen your deficit and start a well structured lifting routine, as well as incorporate appropriate levels of protein (.8 - 1.2g/lb), to help mitigate any more muscle loss, and if you are new, you might even be able to gain some muscle (at least a few lbs). The link below has a lot of good, well structured lifting routines.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10332083/which-lifting-program-is-the-best-for-you/p1
Thanks psuLemom! Yes I have started a exercise routine that includes cardio, weight training and lots of crunches. At 50 years old I’m lucky to still be very muscular due to my obsession with working out when I was much younger. Thanks for the advice! 😊1 -
Keto works fullstop. Been on it for 6 weeks, around 200 cals over MFP a day, lost 15 pound and gained maybe 2 pound of muscle in the gym because I know how. Tons of energy. Fast results. 0.7gms protein per lb is plenty. Plus my daily alcohol intake hasnt changed
because keto only counts alcoholic drinks that contain carbs. Sweet! 27 -
Keto works fullstop. Been on it for 6 weeks, around 200 cals over MFP a day, lost 15 pound and gained maybe 2 pound of muscle in the gym because I know how. Tons of energy. Fast results. 0.7gms protein per lb is plenty. Plus my daily alcohol intake hasnt changed because keto only counts alcoholic drinks that contain carbs. Sweet!
still in a deficit if losing weight whether you are over 200 calories on mfp or not. that would mean that your TDEE may be higher than it was if you lost 15 lbs in 6 weeks thats a .33 lb a day deficit which means a little over a 2 lbs a week(over a 1000 calorie deficit weekly) not counting water and glycogen lost at the beginning.8 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes.
Please stop making unsubstantiated medical claims.
What do you see as the least common denominator cause of premature death due due to health failure?
Simple, obesity, lack of exercise, smoking, family history (genetics), and drinking are the biggest factors. So if you are trying to prolong life, I hope you are in a healthy weight, exercise daily for 30 minutes or more a day, limit smoking and drinking, and if you really want to decrease risk, than almost limit processed foods. So the question is Gale, since you preach why you did Keto, how many of these do you also do?
Also, you should stop confusing treatment vs prevention. There is a significant difference between the two.
OP, the issue I have with keto (and luckily I only do it 4 days a week with 2 days of carb refeeds) is the lack of volume, it limits a ton of extremely healthy foods, and it limits a ton of variety.
And as some alluded to, it really comes down to what you can sustain. If you want, tailor down your carbs a bit to see what kind of restriction you have. And then slowly move to around 50g. In the end, if you find it difficult to hit those carb levels, than it's going to be very difficult to sustain.
The least common denominator in about 85% of premature death due to health failure first starts with failing mitochondria count and health. The way I move, eat and think are geared to increasing my quality and quantity of my brown fat.
siimland.com/ketosis-and-mitochondria/
"The Ketogenic Diet and Mitochondrial Density
Increasing mitochondrial density should fundamentally start with nutrition.
The ketogenic diet is the best one for mitochondria not only because of using fat for fuel but also because of its many protective aspects against oxidative stress.
Ketosis reduces the amount of epileptic seizures people get
Ketosis maintains healthy brain cells and prevents them from dying
Alzheimer’s is now referred to as type-3 diabetes or basically insulin resistance in the brain.
Mitochondrial dysfunction caused by oxidative stress is linked to aging, cancer, autism and many other diseases
The mitochondria are surrounded by a functional membrane which gets built by the fat you eat
Using ketone bodies for energy releases more acetyl-CoA, which then gets directed back to the Krebs Cycle to be produced for energy again."22 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes.
Please stop making unsubstantiated medical claims.
What do you see as the least common denominator cause of premature death due due to health failure?
Simple, obesity, lack of exercise, smoking, family history (genetics), and drinking are the biggest factors. So if you are trying to prolong life, I hope you are in a healthy weight, exercise daily for 30 minutes or more a day, limit smoking and drinking, and if you really want to decrease risk, than almost limit processed foods. So the question is Gale, since you preach why you did Keto, how many of these do you also do?
Also, you should stop confusing treatment vs prevention. There is a significant difference between the two.
OP, the issue I have with keto (and luckily I only do it 4 days a week with 2 days of carb refeeds) is the lack of volume, it limits a ton of extremely healthy foods, and it limits a ton of variety.
And as some alluded to, it really comes down to what you can sustain. If you want, tailor down your carbs a bit to see what kind of restriction you have. And then slowly move to around 50g. In the end, if you find it difficult to hit those carb levels, than it's going to be very difficult to sustain.
The least common denominator in about 85% of premature death due to health failure first starts with failing mitochondria count and health. The way I move, eat and think are geared to increasing my quality and quantity of my brown fat.
siimland.com/ketosis-and-mitochondria/
"The Ketogenic Diet and Mitochondrial Density
Increasing mitochondrial density should fundamentally start with nutrition.
The ketogenic diet is the best one for mitochondria not only because of using fat for fuel but also because of its many protective aspects against oxidative stress.
Ketosis reduces the amount of epileptic seizures people get
Ketosis maintains healthy brain cells and prevents them from dying
Alzheimer’s is now referred to as type-3 diabetes or basically insulin resistance in the brain.
Mitochondrial dysfunction caused by oxidative stress is linked to aging, cancer, autism and many other diseases
The mitochondria are surrounded by a functional membrane which gets built by the fat you eat
Using ketone bodies for energy releases more acetyl-CoA, which then gets directed back to the Krebs Cycle to be produced for energy again."
Got anything more reputable than a blog by a self-proclaimed biohacker?14 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Keto works fullstop. Been on it for 6 weeks, around 200 cals over MFP a day, lost 15 pound and gained maybe 2 pound of muscle in the gym because I know how. Tons of energy. Fast results. 0.7gms protein per lb is plenty. Plus my daily alcohol intake hasnt changed because keto only counts alcoholic drinks that contain carbs. Sweet!
still in a deficit if losing weight whether you are over 200 calories on mfp or not. that would mean that your TDEE may be higher than it was if you lost 15 lbs in 6 weeks thats a .33 lb a day deficit which means a little over a 2 lbs a week(over a 1000 calorie deficit weekly) not counting water and glycogen lost at the beginning.
No, not in a deficit. 6 to 800 cals a day in alcohol(sometimes more because I like it) with a 1650 MFP recommendation and Im not starving myself, just counting carbs. Its not CICO. Theres way more to it than that. Theres metabolism to contend with (which can change with lifestyle)and exercise intensity which MFP cant take into account. Ive been running, doing weights and adding the calories of exercise to my chart. Dosnt add up but, based on experience, I never expected it to.30 -
Well, not out to attack you or anything, but how sharp are one's math skills, number crunching, activity & logging recall memory whilst partially to fully intoxicated?15
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Keto, what!! 700 cals is not even 5 beers a night! You must get soaked really easy.13
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Keto works fullstop. Been on it for 6 weeks, around 200 cals over MFP a day, lost 15 pound and gained maybe 2 pound of muscle in the gym because I know how. Tons of energy. Fast results. 0.7gms protein per lb is plenty. Plus my daily alcohol intake hasnt changed because keto only counts alcoholic drinks that contain carbs. Sweet!
still in a deficit if losing weight whether you are over 200 calories on mfp or not. that would mean that your TDEE may be higher than it was if you lost 15 lbs in 6 weeks thats a .33 lb a day deficit which means a little over a 2 lbs a week(over a 1000 calorie deficit weekly) not counting water and glycogen lost at the beginning.
No, not in a deficit. 6 to 800 cals a day in alcohol(sometimes more because I like it) with a 1650 MFP recommendation and Im not starving myself, just counting carbs. Its not CICO. Theres way more to it than that. Theres metabolism to contend with (which can change with lifestyle)and exercise intensity which MFP cant take into account. Ive been running, doing weights and adding the calories of exercise to my chart. Dosnt add up but, based on experience, I never expected it to.
For what it's worth, 1650 calories is what I eat on a less active day to lose weight and I'm a woman. It would result in weight loss for most men regardless of choice of diet or alcohol intake.14 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Keto works fullstop. Been on it for 6 weeks, around 200 cals over MFP a day, lost 15 pound and gained maybe 2 pound of muscle in the gym because I know how. Tons of energy. Fast results. 0.7gms protein per lb is plenty. Plus my daily alcohol intake hasnt changed because keto only counts alcoholic drinks that contain carbs. Sweet!
still in a deficit if losing weight whether you are over 200 calories on mfp or not. that would mean that your TDEE may be higher than it was if you lost 15 lbs in 6 weeks thats a .33 lb a day deficit which means a little over a 2 lbs a week(over a 1000 calorie deficit weekly) not counting water and glycogen lost at the beginning.
No, not in a deficit. 6 to 800 cals a day in alcohol(sometimes more because I like it) with a 1650 MFP recommendation and Im not starving myself, just counting carbs. Its not CICO. Theres way more to it than that. Theres metabolism to contend with (which can change with lifestyle)and exercise intensity which MFP cant take into account. Ive been running, doing weights and adding the calories of exercise to my chart. Dosnt add up but, based on experience, I never expected it to.
I lose weight on 2000 calories a day and I am a 4'11 female who only weighs around 95 pounds. A really short male who is sedentary and old would lose on 1650 calories so you should be eating considerably more and still lose.
ie You are still in a huge deficit eating 1850 calories a day and you could be eating considerably less being that nearly half of your calories are from booze so your logging would most likely be very inaccurate because you are drunk.10 -
Totally agree with hroderick - a slow change to daily life habits to the better. A much healthier daily meal plan, again with small changes as we go along. A bit of light exercise to start with, do as much as your body can handle. Start working on a daily routine, have a rest day, look forward to a little treat which does not hinge on food and beverages. I treated myself to a sports massage yesterday, just great.0
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Keto works fullstop. Been on it for 6 weeks, around 200 cals over MFP a day, lost 15 pound and gained maybe 2 pound of muscle in the gym because I know how. Tons of energy. Fast results. 0.7gms protein per lb is plenty. Plus my daily alcohol intake hasnt changed because keto only counts alcoholic drinks that contain carbs. Sweet!
still in a deficit if losing weight whether you are over 200 calories on mfp or not. that would mean that your TDEE may be higher than it was if you lost 15 lbs in 6 weeks thats a .33 lb a day deficit which means a little over a 2 lbs a week(over a 1000 calorie deficit weekly) not counting water and glycogen lost at the beginning.
No, not in a deficit. 6 to 800 cals a day in alcohol(sometimes more because I like it) with a 1650 MFP recommendation and Im not starving myself, just counting carbs. Its not CICO. Theres way more to it than that. Theres metabolism to contend with (which can change with lifestyle)and exercise intensity which MFP cant take into account. Ive been running, doing weights and adding the calories of exercise to my chart. Dosnt add up but, based on experience, I never expected it to.
So 800 calories a day in booze and 850 calories a day in actual food?
Wow.16
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