Is Keto Worth it?
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GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes.
Please stop making unsubstantiated medical claims.
What do you see as the least common denominator cause of premature death due due to health failure?
Simple, obesity, lack of exercise, smoking, family history (genetics), and drinking are the biggest factors. So if you are trying to prolong life, I hope you are in a healthy weight, exercise daily for 30 minutes or more a day, limit smoking and drinking, and if you really want to decrease risk, than almost limit processed foods. So the question is Gale, since you preach why you did Keto, how many of these do you also do?
Also, you should stop confusing treatment vs prevention. There is a significant difference between the two.
OP, the issue I have with keto (and luckily I only do it 4 days a week with 2 days of carb refeeds) is the lack of volume, it limits a ton of extremely healthy foods, and it limits a ton of variety.
And as some alluded to, it really comes down to what you can sustain. If you want, tailor down your carbs a bit to see what kind of restriction you have. And then slowly move to around 50g. In the end, if you find it difficult to hit those carb levels, than it's going to be very difficult to sustain.
The least common denominator in about 85% of premature death due to health failure first starts with failing mitochondria count and health. The way I move, eat and think are geared to increasing my quality and quantity of my brown fat.
siimland.com/ketosis-and-mitochondria/
"The Ketogenic Diet and Mitochondrial Density
Increasing mitochondrial density should fundamentally start with nutrition.
The ketogenic diet is the best one for mitochondria not only because of using fat for fuel but also because of its many protective aspects against oxidative stress.
Ketosis reduces the amount of epileptic seizures people get
Ketosis maintains healthy brain cells and prevents them from dying
Alzheimer’s is now referred to as type-3 diabetes or basically insulin resistance in the brain.
Mitochondrial dysfunction caused by oxidative stress is linked to aging, cancer, autism and many other diseases
The mitochondria are surrounded by a functional membrane which gets built by the fat you eat
Using ketone bodies for energy releases more acetyl-CoA, which then gets directed back to the Krebs Cycle to be produced for energy again."
If you are willing to take advice from an anthropologist, you are more than welcome to believe it. Also, if you want to increases your chances of living long (like statistically), start to exercise (a 1/4 mile walk isn't enough), lose a bit more weight since you are at the top end of acceptable, and stop eating McDonalds 3-4x a week.
[url="httphttps://www.honeycolony.com/article/mitochondrial-disease-its-not-your-genes-that-determine-your-fate/://"]httphttps://honeycolony.com/article/mitochondrial-disease-its-not-your-genes-that-determine-your-fate/://[/url]
Microbial residents, known as mitochondria, have become essential parts of our own biology.
Mitochondrial Disease plays a major role when it comes to serious health conditions, including aging. It’s unbelievable that up until the turn of the century, we knew little about the mitochondria, even though these tiny, peanut-shaped miniature organs (organelles) found at the center of our cells are responsible for fueling us with energy and dictating how vibrant and healthy we are. These organelles produce the energy we need for every single physical, mental, and emotional function.
How many times have we heard the phrase “it’s all in the genes?” It sounds cute as an offhand joke when, let’s say, a young child starts playing the same sport as their parent. However, a lifetime of hearing our relatives and medical caregivers tell us that our disease risk is “in the genes” is very disempowering and misleading.
A life is priceless, and the financial cost of chronic illness is staggering. Between 2012 to 2015, heart failure cost $108 billion, diabetes cost $1.5 trillion, and dementia an astounding $818 billion, worldwide. In the USA alone, cancer cost $135 billion.
People are dying from these diseases. There’s a belief that our genes dictate our health and longevity, but what if the true primary cause is something else? Something we have power over? As discussed by Nature Builds Health, “most disease actually starts in what is called ‘mitochondria’ … by improving your mitochondria function, you can even lower your chances for getting certain diseases”."
Maybe this source is more to your taste as you read about the newly found least common denominator in premature death in humans.15 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes.
Please stop making unsubstantiated medical claims.
What do you see as the least common denominator cause of premature death due due to health failure?
Simple, obesity, lack of exercise, smoking, family history (genetics), and drinking are the biggest factors. So if you are trying to prolong life, I hope you are in a healthy weight, exercise daily for 30 minutes or more a day, limit smoking and drinking, and if you really want to decrease risk, than almost limit processed foods. So the question is Gale, since you preach why you did Keto, how many of these do you also do?
Also, you should stop confusing treatment vs prevention. There is a significant difference between the two.
OP, the issue I have with keto (and luckily I only do it 4 days a week with 2 days of carb refeeds) is the lack of volume, it limits a ton of extremely healthy foods, and it limits a ton of variety.
And as some alluded to, it really comes down to what you can sustain. If you want, tailor down your carbs a bit to see what kind of restriction you have. And then slowly move to around 50g. In the end, if you find it difficult to hit those carb levels, than it's going to be very difficult to sustain.
The least common denominator in about 85% of premature death due to health failure first starts with failing mitochondria count and health. The way I move, eat and think are geared to increasing my quality and quantity of my brown fat.
siimland.com/ketosis-and-mitochondria/
"The Ketogenic Diet and Mitochondrial Density
Increasing mitochondrial density should fundamentally start with nutrition.
The ketogenic diet is the best one for mitochondria not only because of using fat for fuel but also because of its many protective aspects against oxidative stress.
Ketosis reduces the amount of epileptic seizures people get
Ketosis maintains healthy brain cells and prevents them from dying
Alzheimer’s is now referred to as type-3 diabetes or basically insulin resistance in the brain.
Mitochondrial dysfunction caused by oxidative stress is linked to aging, cancer, autism and many other diseases
The mitochondria are surrounded by a functional membrane which gets built by the fat you eat
Using ketone bodies for energy releases more acetyl-CoA, which then gets directed back to the Krebs Cycle to be produced for energy again."
If you are willing to take advice from an anthropologist, you are more than welcome to believe it. Also, if you want to increases your chances of living long (like statistically), start to exercise (a 1/4 mile walk isn't enough), lose a bit more weight since you are at the top end of acceptable, and stop eating McDonalds 3-4x a week.
[url="httphttps://www.honeycolony.com/article/mitochondrial-disease-its-not-your-genes-that-determine-your-fate/://"]httphttps://honeycolony.com/article/mitochondrial-disease-its-not-your-genes-that-determine-your-fate/://[/url]
Microbial residents, known as mitochondria, have become essential parts of our own biology.
Mitochondrial Disease plays a major role when it comes to serious health conditions, including aging. It’s unbelievable that up until the turn of the century, we knew little about the mitochondria, even though these tiny, peanut-shaped miniature organs (organelles) found at the center of our cells are responsible for fueling us with energy and dictating how vibrant and healthy we are. These organelles produce the energy we need for every single physical, mental, and emotional function.
How many times have we heard the phrase “it’s all in the genes?” It sounds cute as an offhand joke when, let’s say, a young child starts playing the same sport as their parent. However, a lifetime of hearing our relatives and medical caregivers tell us that our disease risk is “in the genes” is very disempowering and misleading.
A life is priceless, and the financial cost of chronic illness is staggering. Between 2012 to 2015, heart failure cost $108 billion, diabetes cost $1.5 trillion, and dementia an astounding $818 billion, worldwide. In the USA alone, cancer cost $135 billion.
People are dying from these diseases. There’s a belief that our genes dictate our health and longevity, but what if the true primary cause is something else? Something we have power over? As discussed by Nature Builds Health, “most disease actually starts in what is called ‘mitochondria’ … by improving your mitochondria function, you can even lower your chances for getting certain diseases”."
Maybe this source is more to your taste as you read about the newly found least common denominator in premature death in humans.
Not a scientific resource either, but thanks for playing.
Protip: if the site you link to is selling something (especially supplements) they can't be trusted as reliable.14 -
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johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes. For me it is pain manage first of all then to try and prevent cataracts, heart disease and cancer but not necessarily in that order.
Prevents heart disease and cancer? Any legit sources to back this up? Gee, I wish I could have told my mom and dad about keto before they died..........
*sigh*
@cerise_noir sorry about your parents I know I wish I knew about Keto the way I do today before my parents died of CHF in 1994 and breast cancer in 1999 when each were only 72. The good news for us today we know so much more about the positive health impact from Keto WOE's and now we all can share this with our families.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/eci.12591
"Figure 3 Mitochondrial effects of ketogenic diets. Ketogenic
diets are used in the treatment of several diseases, such as
epilepsy, Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease,
amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, cancer and brain trauma. Ketone
bodies such as acetoacetate (AA) and b-hydroxybutyrate (bOHB)
lead to decreases in oxidative stress and improvements
in mitochondrial biogenesis and mitochondrial function.
Ketogenic diets may also induce a heteroplasmic shift,
reducing pathogenic mutations on mitochondrial DNA
(mtDNA).
Do you seriously believe that? That your parents would have lived longer simply by eating keto? That keto is the be all and end all of preventing or curing every medical illness? I'd suggest you step away from Fung et al and start looking at what peer-reviewed science says instead because if people that are gullible enough to believe what you write you could be causing them long-term damage.
I think you know that I did not write the above posted link. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/eci.12591
"Ketogenic diets: from cancer to mitochondrial diseases
and beyond
Ana F. Branco*,a, Andre Ferreira *,a, Rui F. Simoes* ~ ,a, Sılvia Magalhaes-Novais ~ *, Cheryl Zehowski†
,
Elisabeth Cope‡
, Ana Marta Silva*, Daniela Pereira*, Vilma A. Sardao~ * and Teresa Cunha-Oliveira*
*
CNC – Center for Neuroscience and Cell Biology, University of Coimbra, Coimbra, Portugal, †
Department of Biomedical
Sciences, University of Minnesota Medical School, Duluth, MN, ‡
Department of Applied Medical Sciences, University of
Southern Maine, Portland, ME, USA
Actually, I read it and as far as the cancer link goes it is very much inconclusive with many mixed results. As quoted from the article:
"Interestingly, mice fed a restricted standard diet displayed the same beneficial outcomes as mice fed the restricted ketogenic diet...these results cast doubt on whether the positive effects were mediated by carbohydrate or caloric restriction"
pssstt ... studies on humans have actually shown that a diet low in fat is most effective with slowing the growth of breast cancer cells so keto would not have helped your mother in the slightest.
The only thing that keto has been proven to help with are neurological disorders.
And Type 2 diabetes, etc.
It can but, for the most part, the best-proven treatment for type 2 diabetes is to reduce your weight and increase your exercise. Many have had the same results for managing diabetes on much higher carb and lower fat diets. Some even see great success with a standard vegan diet. If keto was the best, or only treatment it would be the most recommended one by diabetes organisations around the world.
In my case Keto sure reduced my weight and enabled me to increase my exercise due to my pain relief and 30 years of IBS resolving. BG fasting levels went into the non diabetic range thankfully.
All due to weight loss. You have zero evidence otherwise
Spouting keto aa a cure all is unfounded, and frankly, irresponsible.
Please stop
Exactly. This right here. That’s was the point of my sarcasm a few posts up. My mother’s heart disease wouldn’t have been cured. It was hereditary. She had it for 30 years before she died. Dads cancer was very sudden and aggressive. I highly doubt keto would have helped/improved both cases.4 -
No, not in a deficit. 6 to 800 cals a day in alcohol(sometimes more because I like it) with a 1650 MFP recommendation and Im not starving myself, just counting carbs. Its not CICO. Theres way more to it than that. Theres metabolism to contend with (which can change with lifestyle)and exercise intensity which MFP cant take into account. Ive been running, doing weights and adding the calories of exercise to my chart. Dosnt add up but, based on experience, I never expected it to.
It is a matter of internet tall-tale convenience that it doesn't add up - nothing more. I am fairly sure that counting your carbs as you drink them is not in the keto manifesto.7 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »
Microbial residents, known as mitochondria, have become essential parts of our own biology.
Mitochondrial Disease plays a major role when it comes to serious health conditions, including aging. It’s unbelievable that up until the turn of the century, we knew little about the mitochondria, even though these tiny, peanut-shaped miniature organs (organelles) found at the center of our cells are responsible for fueling us with energy and dictating how vibrant and healthy we are. These organelles produce the energy we need for every single physical, mental, and emotional function.
How many times have we heard the phrase “it’s all in the genes?” It sounds cute as an offhand joke when, let’s say, a young child starts playing the same sport as their parent. However, a lifetime of hearing our relatives and medical caregivers tell us that our disease risk is “in the genes” is very disempowering and misleading.
A life is priceless, and the financial cost of chronic illness is staggering. Between 2012 to 2015, heart failure cost $108 billion, diabetes cost $1.5 trillion, and dementia an astounding $818 billion, worldwide. In the USA alone, cancer cost $135 billion.
People are dying from these diseases. There’s a belief that our genes dictate our health and longevity, but what if the true primary cause is something else? Something we have power over? As discussed by Nature Builds Health, “most disease actually starts in what is called ‘mitochondria’ … by improving your mitochondria function, you can even lower your chances for getting certain diseases”."
Maybe this source is more to your taste as you read about the newly found least common denominator in premature death in humans.
This post is not written to @galehawkins. It is written to anyone reading this that might for a moment consider it credible.
It is really important to always analyze what is being written and not be confused when real facts (like the above medical costs which I assume are true) are mixed in with wild claims. This is a common tactic by snake oil salespeople. By throwing in true facts they hope to make you believe it is all true. It is not.
It is also important to remember that the placebo effect can be very powerful and so some people are true believers. Keep in mind that many people believe in the healing power of crystals too and they swear by their results.
If you are currently under medical care you need to stick with it. If you want to eat low carb, get some crystals, or try to get rid of thetans it is your right but don't stop medical treatments.18 -
Though I no longer enjoy my food and that makes me sad. Keto has been very effective for me. I do struggle with energy sometimes, and the food is tedious. But I am steady losing at least a pound or 2 a week. Previous to keto I did low calorie and workout, was stuck for at least 4 months with no loss. Since starting Keto/working out 3 months ago I have seen some loss every week. So it works, but it sucks. It has also helped immensely with my sugar cravings and my compulsive eating. Its very hard the first 3 weeks or so, but then you kinda accept that it is what it is and if you struggle with weight loss it does work.4
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I've waded through this quickly, no one seems to have said, the keto diet first came into being as a means to reduce epileptic fits in children, it worked. Other benefits followed. I can't remember the many medical sites I found this information on but I'm sure those who are more proficient in research than I, can easily establish the same facts were they to look. Its easy to close one's ears and say, Not True.10
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This is one of the real reasons that people lose weight on a keto diet. They just get tired of the limited menu and of eating the same foods everyday. So they start eating less of it. There is no magical appetite suppression.Though I no longer enjoy my food and that makes me sad. Keto has been very effective for me. I do struggle with energy sometimes, and the food is tedious.
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »I think keto is amazing it's hard work for sure because it's not as simple as taking out carbs it's watching sugars ect even beetroot I was shot down on a keto page for being keto I've been in ketosis before and I lost so much that has stayed off but it did mess with my lady time!! I'd defo give it a try that is the reason tho I'm no longer in ketosis for my hormones it was too much hassle for me xx
you lost weight due to a deficit. even with keto you have to have a deficit. you can gain weight doing keto. many have. if you lost a lot at a fast rate and it messed with your period I would say your calorie deficit was too steep. many do keto for pcos (which helps some with their period) too much of a deficit or too low of calories can mess with your period. so Im thinking that may have been the isue.
The reason it messed with my period was due to estrogen being released when my fuel burn turned to fat,!! I was burning fat to quickly and have found the bleeding issue quite common on those on the combined pill and in ketosis, my personal opinion is keto can be very worth it and rewarding but it's personal experience whether it works for you or not no one can tell you 100% what something does or will do!! I think some diets are crap in comparison to others but who am I to tell that person they shouldn't do it!? Or tell them what's happening to their body!! It may work for them we are different
in keto you dont burn body fat you burn dietary fat. fat is burned in a deficit no matter how you eat. losing weight too fast is what mot likely contributed to the messed up cycle. you can only burn so much body fat a day. no matter if you are doing keto or not. the faster you lose weight then of course hormones could be released from fat loss but it should not be so much *kitten* to mess with your period. most of the time its too little calories resulting in fast weight loss. the more fat you have the more estrogen you produce so when you lose too quickly that estrogen that is stored gets released. it can happen with any diet too low in calories which causes rapid weight loss. this study states that keto can improve hormone regulation in many women,and can improve fertility. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5372867/
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It was worth it for me. My doctor recommended it for health reasons. Since starting keto I have lost about 78 pounds, but more importantly am no longer showing signs of insulin resistance, no longer pre-diabetic, no longer needing medication to control my BP, no more reflux and no more joint pain. Keto is not for everyone. but works for me. One cookie will not make all the weight go back on, but will make you feel a bit unwell for a while as your gut flora will change and you will not process sugar and starch very well.
how is keto going to change your gut flora to where you cannot process sugar and starch very well? do you have any links proving this or is it just your experience?4 -
Hmmm...I found out about keto in 2015 and have done it on and off since then. I started back up because my weight was really bothering me. My hubby would say I was fine, but at 5'6" and 158 lbs, I'm not happy. I have always been no more than 135, prior to my last kid. I got down to 141 as my lowest on keto, but when I switched back to IIFYM, I was binging because I was always hungry. Keto really keeps me from being hungry. Also I was finding that my joints were really hurting a lot, and I felt like it was all of the sugar and carbs. I'm not someone who can eat carbs and only eat a little bit. I know me. If I just completely eliminate it, I'm successful. Since I'm familiar with keto, it's easy for me to know what to make at home and what to eat out. I don't have to think too hard about it. That said, I did a lot of research in the beginning. And still do. It's been a full week since I started back up and I'm now at 151. Now, I know a lot of that is water, but I also feel less bloated and have more energy. Honestly, my joints are a little bit better, but I think the weather has been affecting them.2
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johnslater461 wrote: »
I dont drink much beer but if I have a couple, its 2 carbs per bottle at 4%. I drink Brut champagne mostly now. 2 carbs per glass, or gin and diet tonic, which is zero carbs. Yeh, no news to anyone that I consume too much but thats my choice for now.
Im only on MFP as an easy way to track carbs, thats it. Looking at the last week Im more on low carb than strict keto because my fat protein ratio is not what keto suggests.
MFP puts me at 1650 cals for my age and 1 lb a week goal weight loss. If was 40 years younger MFP would allow me 1930cals. Due to slowing metabolism I expect. I add to my diary as I go during the day. My memory and math is fine thank you. This last week I expended around 400cals per day from exercise, but consumed 111 cals per day more than MFP suggests including the exercise cals, but MFP dosnt allow for exercise intensity does it. Protein is 0.71 per pound of bodyweight, which is plenty. Carbs 26 per day. Weight loss has slowed but Im near goal and Im gaining muscle in the gym fast as well. I think keto or a version of it as Im doing is really good, because results come quickly, no bloating, never hungry, heaps of energy, and I like the food, but I wont be on it for ever.14 -
Lillymoo01 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »
And Type 2 diabetes, etc.
It can but, for the most part, the best-proven treatment for type 2 diabetes is to reduce your weight and increase your exercise. Many have had the same results for managing diabetes on much higher carb and lower fat diets. Some even see great success with a standard vegan diet. If keto was the best, or only treatment it would be the most recommended one by diabetes organisations around the world.
Here is my experience with T2D. I realize I am a small sample.
I had my doctor tell me I needed to lose some weight in January, 2016. My fasting glucose was 110 at an appointment, and he told me I would find myself as a diabetic in time. I started counting calories. My diet was high carb, but I was eating at a caloric deficit. I lost 40 pounds before the next appointment in September, 2016. At this appointment, my fasting glucose was 348, and so they sent me to the lab for an A1C. It was 12.8.
So - he gave me the Diabetes Association diet and a prescription for metformin. I followed the diet very strictly and took the meds. I could not get a glucose reading under 200.
Looking around on the internet, I saw people were having success with low carbs and controlling glucose. I decided as an experiment to try a few days at 50 carbs. Glucose responded immediately, and I was seeing all my numbers under 200. I joined the low carb group here and found out about keto. I dropped carbs to 20, and again within a few days, my glucose numbers were low 100's.
I decided to stick with the keto and start eating at a caloric deficit again to lose some more weight. I started losing about a pound a week. The keto & the metformin had my glucose numbers very good. In June, 2017 (less than a year since diagnosis), I had an A1C with keto, metformin, and the weight loss of 5.5 which is in the normal range for non-diabetics.
My metformin dose was reduced. in January of 2018 after 6 months on the reduced dose, my A1C was 5.3. The doctor told me to stop taking the metformin. In July of 2018, I had another A1C. I had reached goal weight by this point, and I am sure that was a contributing factor, but with keto and the weight loss, I had an A1C of 5.6.
So - have I "reversed" T2D? The answer to that is no. If I have gravy thickened with flour, I get a spike of 160 or so in the glucose readings that is there at 1 and 2 hours after eatng. Certain things that I should be able to eat like green beans will elevate the glucose to 130's after eating. Leafy greens, broccoli and cauliflower don't seem to have any impact. I have not tried a slice of bread or a bowl of oatmeal because they don't fit with the macros.
I have come to realize I don't tolerate carbs well, but I check my glucose and I know what works and what doesn't. I am managing my glucose levels now with the keto diet. My meter predicts based on current readings that my next A1C will be 5.4.
This may not be hard science, but I know it is working for me. I would not hesitate - based on my experience - to recommend keto to other T2 diabetics. If it does not help, you are no worse off than before. I would like to think there are others who might have an experience like mine. Either the science will catch up or I am unique in some way. One way or the other, I am sticking with the keto because it is working for me.
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FWIW, I dropped my high blood pressure to low normal, and my cholesterol/triglycerides from very bad to solidly normal, by eating a balanced menu of mostly nutrient-dense foods, with a few treats mixed in when calories permitted (including occasional baked goods and alcoholic drinks, BTW), including around 200g carbs most days. I didn't reverse my T2 diabetes because I was lucky enough not to have T2 diabetes (bonus from my genetics). I also lost 50+ pounds in under a year at age 59-60 (while hypothyroid, BTW). Now 62, I'm in year 3 of maintaining a healthy weight eating the same way.
I just did this: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10636388/free-customized-personal-weight-loss-eating-plan-not-spam-or-mlm
Don't get me wrong, keto or low carb can be very useful for certain health problems, and can be a satisfying way of life for people who find that it helps them manage appetite/cravings. I have nothing against it, if it works well for someone. But personally, I enjoy eating a wide variety of foods (including sweet fruits and starchy veggies), and tend to chafe at arbitrary rules in general. (I'd tried low carb in the past, though, and it made me miserable. But that's just me.)
I'm posting this because certain people have said "I lost weight with keto and got all these health benefits besides".
I'm happy for them, and I have no reason to doubt them . . . but I got the weight loss and some of those same health benefits while still eating a pretty normal amount of carbs.
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noclady1995 wrote: »Hmmm...I found out about keto in 2015 and have done it on and off since then. I started back up because my weight was really bothering me. My hubby would say I was fine, but at 5'6" and 158 lbs, I'm not happy. I have always been no more than 135, prior to my last kid. I got down to 141 as my lowest on keto, but when I switched back to IIFYM, I was binging because I was always hungry. Keto really keeps me from being hungry. Also I was finding that my joints were really hurting a lot, and I felt like it was all of the sugar and carbs. I'm not someone who can eat carbs and only eat a little bit. I know me. If I just completely eliminate it, I'm successful. Since I'm familiar with keto, it's easy for me to know what to make at home and what to eat out. I don't have to think too hard about it. That said, I did a lot of research in the beginning. And still do. It's been a full week since I started back up and I'm now at 151. Now, I know a lot of that is water, but I also feel less bloated and have more energy. Honestly, my joints are a little bit better, but I think the weather has been affecting them.
Just curious... since you say keto helps control your hunger and you credit it with curing your joint pain, do you intend to stay on it permanently?1 -
Keto is more than just a weight loss plan. You can lose weight by eating any foods as long as you are in a caloric deficit. I started on the Keto way of eating simply because I was having unexplained ankle swelling and joint pain. I was tested for everything under the sun and well there was nothing wrong with me, aside for the cankles and constant pain
A friend of mine who is an RN suggested this WOE (way of eating) and within two and half weeks the swelling was gone and into the 3rd week the joint pain was a thing of the past. Not sure if it was the sugar, the gluten? all I know is my ankles looked normal for the first time in well over a year. The weight loss was just a bonus at that point. I, personally, do not find this WOE complicated or restrictive at all. I make keto friendly cookies, pancakes and bread so its not like I am missing out. Most restaurants serve protein and veggies so its never been an issue with going out to eat. There also plenty of ways to make fast food work as well. I enjoy a baconator from Wendy's from time to time or when its a late night after football and I don't want to cook. No bun no condiments, extra bacon. Not missing out on a thing. 
If you eat something that kicks you out of ketosis, so be it, just like any other diet plan you simply just get back on the wagon. If you find its too restrictive for you personally then you go back to what you were doing before. Healthy lifestyle is a personal choice and there are hundreds of ways to go about it, just find one that works for you. Good luck!5 -
This is one of the real reasons that people lose weight on a keto diet. They just get tired of the limited menu and of eating the same foods everyday. So they start eating less of it. There is no magical appetite suppression.Though I no longer enjoy my food and that makes me sad. Keto has been very effective for me. I do struggle with energy sometimes, and the food is tedious.
This might be true for you and for the people who consider food as 'entertainment'. For me, food is fuel - if I want entertainment I will watch a movie, read a book, go outside for a walk, etc. Eating the same thing over and over does not bother me in the least. My typical grocery list is as follows: protein (chicken, ground beef, pork, etc - but usually only 1 for the week), veggies (cauliflower, broccoli, radishes, cabbage, carrots), berries (blue, black and strawberries) and if I need it, butter/olive oil. I cook the protein, throw some veggies on the plate and eat. I might cook enough of whatever protein I am having so that I have 2-3 meals worth ready to heat-up and eat. I very rarely snack and if I do it will be pork rinds or dark chocolate. So yes, for some of us, there is definitely a hunger suppression result from eating keto.7 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »I think keto is amazing it's hard work for sure because it's not as simple as taking out carbs it's watching sugars ect even beetroot I was shot down on a keto page for being keto I've been in ketosis before and I lost so much that has stayed off but it did mess with my lady time!! I'd defo give it a try that is the reason tho I'm no longer in ketosis for my hormones it was too much hassle for me xx
you lost weight due to a deficit. even with keto you have to have a deficit. you can gain weight doing keto. many have. if you lost a lot at a fast rate and it messed with your period I would say your calorie deficit was too steep. many do keto for pcos (which helps some with their period) too much of a deficit or too low of calories can mess with your period. so Im thinking that may have been the isue.
The reason it messed with my period was due to estrogen being released when my fuel burn turned to fat,!! I was burning fat to quickly and have found the bleeding issue quite common on those on the combined pill and in ketosis, my personal opinion is keto can be very worth it and rewarding but it's personal experience whether it works for you or not no one can tell you 100% what something does or will do!! I think some diets are crap in comparison to others but who am I to tell that person they shouldn't do it!? Or tell them what's happening to their body!! It may work for them we are different
in keto you dont burn body fat you burn dietary fat. fat is burned in a deficit no matter how you eat. losing weight too fast is what mot likely contributed to the messed up cycle. you can only burn so much body fat a day. no matter if you are doing keto or not. the faster you lose weight then of course hormones could be released from fat loss but it should not be so much *kitten* to mess with your period. most of the time its too little calories resulting in fast weight loss. the more fat you have the more estrogen you produce so when you lose too quickly that estrogen that is stored gets released. it can happen with any diet too low in calories which causes rapid weight loss. this study states that keto can improve hormone regulation in many women,and can improve fertility. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5372867/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1580168
I've spoken to a lot of ladies like myself on a particular kind of contraceptive that have experienced changes to their cycles and also negative impact but letting it ride itself out once you become fat adapted can make a positive change. I wouldn't say it was linked to the fast weight loss as I haven't said at what point I actually lost the weight.. It happened once I got into ketosis a short time after a little longer after that I experienced weight loss also taking on someone's advice to incorporate a bit of extra carb into my diet which seemed to work. The reason I don't want my carb intake to get too too low and fall into ketosis is because of the links between the contraceptive hormones and what ketosis itself brings, I've lost weight well before and not experienced this as I didn't get into ketosis. You are right in regards to calorie deficit and weight loss ect but there is definitely something about ketosis and the particular pill that causes abnormal bleeding thoroughly checked out by the doctor btw to rule out anything sinister I'm not willing to give up my pill for ketosis unfortunately because it's given me so many positives and I can lose weight without being keto. But for others it's definitely something I would suggest they try if there struggling with other diets3 -
FlyingMolly wrote: »It’s not inherently better than any other way of eating unless it turns out to be a better fit for you personally, so you kind of have to just find that out for yourself.
This is the correct answer and absolutely everything else is just noise. Research it, try it, see if it works for you. It might. It might not. Whether it's hard or worth it or drastic will all be subjective.16 -
noclady1995 wrote: »Hmmm...I found out about keto in 2015 and have done it on and off since then. I started back up because my weight was really bothering me. My hubby would say I was fine, but at 5'6" and 158 lbs, I'm not happy. I have always been no more than 135, prior to my last kid. I got down to 141 as my lowest on keto, but when I switched back to IIFYM, I was binging because I was always hungry. Keto really keeps me from being hungry. Also I was finding that my joints were really hurting a lot, and I felt like it was all of the sugar and carbs. I'm not someone who can eat carbs and only eat a little bit. I know me. If I just completely eliminate it, I'm successful. Since I'm familiar with keto, it's easy for me to know what to make at home and what to eat out. I don't have to think too hard about it. That said, I did a lot of research in the beginning. And still do. It's been a full week since I started back up and I'm now at 151. Now, I know a lot of that is water, but I also feel less bloated and have more energy. Honestly, my joints are a little bit better, but I think the weather has been affecting them.
I am 5’6” and 158. I like to weight 138. I diet and just go right back to 158. Why is 158 so bad?2 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »I think keto is amazing it's hard work for sure because it's not as simple as taking out carbs it's watching sugars ect even beetroot I was shot down on a keto page for being keto I've been in ketosis before and I lost so much that has stayed off but it did mess with my lady time!! I'd defo give it a try that is the reason tho I'm no longer in ketosis for my hormones it was too much hassle for me xx
you lost weight due to a deficit. even with keto you have to have a deficit. you can gain weight doing keto. many have. if you lost a lot at a fast rate and it messed with your period I would say your calorie deficit was too steep. many do keto for pcos (which helps some with their period) too much of a deficit or too low of calories can mess with your period. so Im thinking that may have been the isue.
The reason it messed with my period was due to estrogen being released when my fuel burn turned to fat,!! I was burning fat to quickly and have found the bleeding issue quite common on those on the combined pill and in ketosis, my personal opinion is keto can be very worth it and rewarding but it's personal experience whether it works for you or not no one can tell you 100% what something does or will do!! I think some diets are crap in comparison to others but who am I to tell that person they shouldn't do it!? Or tell them what's happening to their body!! It may work for them we are different
in keto you dont burn body fat you burn dietary fat. fat is burned in a deficit no matter how you eat. losing weight too fast is what mot likely contributed to the messed up cycle. you can only burn so much body fat a day. no matter if you are doing keto or not. the faster you lose weight then of course hormones could be released from fat loss but it should not be so much *kitten* to mess with your period. most of the time its too little calories resulting in fast weight loss. the more fat you have the more estrogen you produce so when you lose too quickly that estrogen that is stored gets released. it can happen with any diet too low in calories which causes rapid weight loss. this study states that keto can improve hormone regulation in many women,and can improve fertility. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5372867/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1580168
I've spoken to a lot of ladies like myself on a particular kind of contraceptive that have experienced changes to their cycles and also negative impact but letting it ride itself out once you become fat adapted can make a positive change. I wouldn't say it was linked to the fast weight loss as I haven't said at what point I actually lost the weight.. It happened once I got into ketosis a short time after a little longer after that I experienced weight loss also taking on someone's advice to incorporate a bit of extra carb into my diet which seemed to work. The reason I don't want my carb intake to get too too low and fall into ketosis is because of the links between the contraceptive hormones and what ketosis itself brings, I've lost weight well before and not experienced this as I didn't get into ketosis. You are right in regards to calorie deficit and weight loss ect but there is definitely something about ketosis and the particular pill that causes abnormal bleeding thoroughly checked out by the doctor btw to rule out anything sinister I'm not willing to give up my pill for ketosis unfortunately because it's given me so many positives and I can lose weight without being keto. But for others it's definitely something I would suggest they try if there struggling with other diets
well I cant find any studies proving that keto and certain birth control causes issues with periods. I dont know if there arent enough studies or what. but if you find not doing keto works better for you then so be it. I cant do keto but when I did it(before I knew I had a health issue in which keto is a no-no) for me it had no bearing on my period and I take bc pills .
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@cerise_noir @CharlieBeansmomTracey
Keto is worth it!
Not only does it cure cancer and heart disease, it made me the woman that I am today.
@RonyMack That's the Spanish Duchess of Alba
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Lillymoo01 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »
And Type 2 diabetes, etc.
It can but, for the most part, the best-proven treatment for type 2 diabetes is to reduce your weight and increase your exercise. Many have had the same results for managing diabetes on much higher carb and lower fat diets. Some even see great success with a standard vegan diet. If keto was the best, or only treatment it would be the most recommended one by diabetes organisations around the world.
Here is my experience with T2D. I realize I am a small sample.
*snipped for brevity*
This may not be hard science, but I know it is working for me. I would not hesitate - based on my experience - to recommend keto to other T2 diabetics. If it does not help, you are no worse off than before. I would like to think there are others who might have an experience like mine. Either the science will catch up or I am unique in some way. One way or the other, I am sticking with the keto because it is working for me.
I am happy keto worked for you. Here is my experience. I was diagnosed T2Dm with an A1c of 7.3 in January 2014. I immediately started counting my total carbs staying under the recommended 180 grams daily. With no medication, just losing weight and eating moderate carbs I reduced my A1c to 5.2 by November of 2014 and it has stayed down ever since.
In other words, keto is not necessary for diabetics but each person needs to work with their healthcare team to figure out the best options for them.8 -
johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes.
Please stop making unsubstantiated medical claims.
What do you see as the least common denominator cause of premature death due due to health failure?
Simple, obesity, lack of exercise, smoking, family history (genetics), and drinking are the biggest factors. So if you are trying to prolong life, I hope you are in a healthy weight, exercise daily for 30 minutes or more a day, limit smoking and drinking, and if you really want to decrease risk, than almost limit processed foods. So the question is Gale, since you preach why you did Keto, how many of these do you also do?
Also, you should stop confusing treatment vs prevention. There is a significant difference between the two.
OP, the issue I have with keto (and luckily I only do it 4 days a week with 2 days of carb refeeds) is the lack of volume, it limits a ton of extremely healthy foods, and it limits a ton of variety.
And as some alluded to, it really comes down to what you can sustain. If you want, tailor down your carbs a bit to see what kind of restriction you have. And then slowly move to around 50g. In the end, if you find it difficult to hit those carb levels, than it's going to be very difficult to sustain.
The least common denominator in about 85% of premature death due to health failure first starts with failing mitochondria count and health. The way I move, eat and think are geared to increasing my quality and quantity of my brown fat.
siimland.com/ketosis-and-mitochondria/
"The Ketogenic Diet and Mitochondrial Density
Increasing mitochondrial density should fundamentally start with nutrition.
The ketogenic diet is the best one for mitochondria not only because of using fat for fuel but also because of its many protective aspects against oxidative stress.
Ketosis reduces the amount of epileptic seizures people get
Ketosis maintains healthy brain cells and prevents them from dying
Alzheimer’s is now referred to as type-3 diabetes or basically insulin resistance in the brain.
Mitochondrial dysfunction caused by oxidative stress is linked to aging, cancer, autism and many other diseases
The mitochondria are surrounded by a functional membrane which gets built by the fat you eat
Using ketone bodies for energy releases more acetyl-CoA, which then gets directed back to the Krebs Cycle to be produced for energy again."
If you are willing to take advice from an anthropologist, you are more than welcome to believe it. Also, if you want to increases your chances of living long (like statistically), start to exercise (a 1/4 mile walk isn't enough), lose a bit more weight since you are at the top end of acceptable, and stop eating McDonalds 3-4x a week.
[url="httphttps://www.honeycolony.com/article/mitochondrial-disease-its-not-your-genes-that-determine-your-fate/://"]httphttps://honeycolony.com/article/mitochondrial-disease-its-not-your-genes-that-determine-your-fate/://[/url]
Microbial residents, known as mitochondria, have become essential parts of our own biology.
Mitochondrial Disease plays a major role when it comes to serious health conditions, including aging. It’s unbelievable that up until the turn of the century, we knew little about the mitochondria, even though these tiny, peanut-shaped miniature organs (organelles) found at the center of our cells are responsible for fueling us with energy and dictating how vibrant and healthy we are. These organelles produce the energy we need for every single physical, mental, and emotional function.
How many times have we heard the phrase “it’s all in the genes?” It sounds cute as an offhand joke when, let’s say, a young child starts playing the same sport as their parent. However, a lifetime of hearing our relatives and medical caregivers tell us that our disease risk is “in the genes” is very disempowering and misleading.
A life is priceless, and the financial cost of chronic illness is staggering. Between 2012 to 2015, heart failure cost $108 billion, diabetes cost $1.5 trillion, and dementia an astounding $818 billion, worldwide. In the USA alone, cancer cost $135 billion.
People are dying from these diseases. There’s a belief that our genes dictate our health and longevity, but what if the true primary cause is something else? Something we have power over? As discussed by Nature Builds Health, “most disease actually starts in what is called ‘mitochondria’ … by improving your mitochondria function, you can even lower your chances for getting certain diseases”."
Maybe this source is more to your taste as you read about the newly found least common denominator in premature death in humans.
Not a scientific resource either, but thanks for playing.
Protip: if the site you link to is selling something (especially supplements) they can't be trusted as reliable.
This is for the ones wanting a scientific resource that many disease states occur due to one not knowing to focus on mitochondria health.
https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4684129/
"Table 1
Partial List of Diseases Caused or Aggravated by Mitochondrial Dysfunction
Early aging
Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis
Alzheimer’s disease
Autism
Cardiovascular disease
Chronic fatigue syndrome
Dementia
Diabetes
Huntington’s disease
Migraine headache
Parkinson’s disease"
"Table 4
Drugs That Damage Mitochondria
Acetaminophen
Antibiotics
Aspirin
AZT
Cocaine
Grisepfulvin
Indomethacin
Methamphetamine
l-DOPA
NSAIDs
Statins"
"Summary
There is so much more that could be written about mitochondria from the perspective of an integrative medicine clinician. I think we are seeing only the tip of the iceberg of the role of mitochondrial dysfunction in our patients’ disease and ill health. As the environment becomes more polluted and drug prescribing increases, this problem will become even worse. The good news is that there is a lot we can do to help."20 -
In other words, quacks quacking about quackery.GaleHawkins wrote: »"Summary
There is so much more that could be written about mitochondria from the perspective of an integrative medicine clinician...14 -
To the women who prioritise contraception pills over anything. There are rafts of medical papers which indicate overriding one's natural cycle is detrimental to women's health. In many ways consuming low or very low even no carb is more natural than the contraceptive pill. For many its the storing of excess oestrogen in "body fat cells" is an issue. Modern society has many chemicals which were not used as widely when I was a child but now are rife in foods, and our environment be they in off gassing from fabrics, furniture, paint/varnish finishes, personal and domestic hygiene products, to the tap water we drink many of these mimic natural oestrogen. Its the reduction of body fat which releases oestrogen which needs to be eliminated. There is nothing natural about the contraceptive pill nor introducing copper at unreasonable amounts used in IUD's. True the body needs copper but less than 1 gram a day.
How many of you realise, were copper the coating of door handles in public buildings the reservoir of germs and viruses would be significantly smaller, its how it kills sperm as any other microbe! There are so many toxic chemicals which will accumulate in women's bodies, when you think these women are built to produce our future generation, the toxicity contributes to the health issues even tendency towards weight gain of future young people. For obvious reasons women's bodies are more complicated because they are capable of growing a child, medical science in the past paid little if any consideration to this while providing a full stop for the time one takes the pill and possibly even after.
To those who condemn integrative medicine, do you realise it uses the very same blood tests available in any US medical service. (I differentiate this here because in the UK we are deigned full endocrine screening) Using the information garnered from these blood tests, the relationships in values are considered, the base functions and interrelations also, advice is give to a tested person towards their overcoming the difficulty, which caused the need for testing, often without turning to "big pharma" for more synthetic compounds, preferring to use natural compounds available in foods.
Using functional medica teckniques with a BANT registered nutritionist (UK) I have managed to turn my health around, I'm more healthy than I was 30 years ago because the system we are permitted even then did not provide more than shoving one into the preordained boxes, "into which I did not fit", and was not "interesting" enough to investigate thoroughly my increased ill health.
r
Yesterday, our (UK) judicery embarked on discovering why in excess of 3000 people died through the use of imported blood products from the late '60's through to the late '80's and other are living/existing, today with the consequences, diseases caused by giving them products not up to the standard of our home grown produces. I expect the outcome will be, It was deamed too expensive to have mass information programms to encourage more home grown blood doners and do the collections when it was so cheep to buy it in from abroad. This was our public policy. It is still our public policy to place illnessses into boxes which need to be treated in an equally historic way because our system is not permitted to embrace the better understanding medical science is bringing forward on, if not daily probably weekly basis.
My hope is that by the time you 20/30 somethings reach my age and state of ill health, the scoffed at Functional approach now, will be the normal then, enableling us, sorry YOU, because I will not be about then. Will enable you to be more responsible for your own health, with information at one time not know and later not incourporated in to our medical practices. Regretably, we can't put, "Old heads on Young Shoulders". For many who could develop conditions mentioned in others previous posts could well be avoided and for those less fortunate the application of a Keto style low/no carb diet could bring some relief.
With the scientific knowledge available now, my family could have had 10 or 20 more good years with my father. Each and every one of us deserves to be in good health when the science indicates we need to change the historic medical understanding we should work for change.
(I do have an axe to grind and this is that, all children/ grandchildren, even great grandchildren should not have the health difficulties my generation endureed)
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GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes.
Please stop making unsubstantiated medical claims.
What do you see as the least common denominator cause of premature death due due to health failure?
Simple, obesity, lack of exercise, smoking, family history (genetics), and drinking are the biggest factors. So if you are trying to prolong life, I hope you are in a healthy weight, exercise daily for 30 minutes or more a day, limit smoking and drinking, and if you really want to decrease risk, than almost limit processed foods. So the question is Gale, since you preach why you did Keto, how many of these do you also do?
Also, you should stop confusing treatment vs prevention. There is a significant difference between the two.
OP, the issue I have with keto (and luckily I only do it 4 days a week with 2 days of carb refeeds) is the lack of volume, it limits a ton of extremely healthy foods, and it limits a ton of variety.
And as some alluded to, it really comes down to what you can sustain. If you want, tailor down your carbs a bit to see what kind of restriction you have. And then slowly move to around 50g. In the end, if you find it difficult to hit those carb levels, than it's going to be very difficult to sustain.
The least common denominator in about 85% of premature death due to health failure first starts with failing mitochondria count and health. The way I move, eat and think are geared to increasing my quality and quantity of my brown fat.
siimland.com/ketosis-and-mitochondria/
"The Ketogenic Diet and Mitochondrial Density
Increasing mitochondrial density should fundamentally start with nutrition.
The ketogenic diet is the best one for mitochondria not only because of using fat for fuel but also because of its many protective aspects against oxidative stress.
Ketosis reduces the amount of epileptic seizures people get
Ketosis maintains healthy brain cells and prevents them from dying
Alzheimer’s is now referred to as type-3 diabetes or basically insulin resistance in the brain.
Mitochondrial dysfunction caused by oxidative stress is linked to aging, cancer, autism and many other diseases
The mitochondria are surrounded by a functional membrane which gets built by the fat you eat
Using ketone bodies for energy releases more acetyl-CoA, which then gets directed back to the Krebs Cycle to be produced for energy again."
If you are willing to take advice from an anthropologist, you are more than welcome to believe it. Also, if you want to increases your chances of living long (like statistically), start to exercise (a 1/4 mile walk isn't enough), lose a bit more weight since you are at the top end of acceptable, and stop eating McDonalds 3-4x a week.
[url="httphttps://www.honeycolony.com/article/mitochondrial-disease-its-not-your-genes-that-determine-your-fate/://"]httphttps://honeycolony.com/article/mitochondrial-disease-its-not-your-genes-that-determine-your-fate/://[/url]
Microbial residents, known as mitochondria, have become essential parts of our own biology.
Mitochondrial Disease plays a major role when it comes to serious health conditions, including aging. It’s unbelievable that up until the turn of the century, we knew little about the mitochondria, even though these tiny, peanut-shaped miniature organs (organelles) found at the center of our cells are responsible for fueling us with energy and dictating how vibrant and healthy we are. These organelles produce the energy we need for every single physical, mental, and emotional function.
How many times have we heard the phrase “it’s all in the genes?” It sounds cute as an offhand joke when, let’s say, a young child starts playing the same sport as their parent. However, a lifetime of hearing our relatives and medical caregivers tell us that our disease risk is “in the genes” is very disempowering and misleading.
A life is priceless, and the financial cost of chronic illness is staggering. Between 2012 to 2015, heart failure cost $108 billion, diabetes cost $1.5 trillion, and dementia an astounding $818 billion, worldwide. In the USA alone, cancer cost $135 billion.
People are dying from these diseases. There’s a belief that our genes dictate our health and longevity, but what if the true primary cause is something else? Something we have power over? As discussed by Nature Builds Health, “most disease actually starts in what is called ‘mitochondria’ … by improving your mitochondria function, you can even lower your chances for getting certain diseases”."
Maybe this source is more to your taste as you read about the newly found least common denominator in premature death in humans.
Not a scientific resource either, but thanks for playing.
Protip: if the site you link to is selling something (especially supplements) they can't be trusted as reliable.
This is for the ones wanting a scientific resource that many disease states occur due to one not knowing to focus on mitochondria health.
https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4684129/
"Table 1
Partial List of Diseases Caused or Aggravated by Mitochondrial Dysfunction
Early aging
Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis
Alzheimer’s disease
Autism
Cardiovascular disease
Chronic fatigue syndrome
Dementia
Diabetes
Huntington’s disease
Migraine headache
Parkinson’s disease"
"Table 4
Drugs That Damage Mitochondria
Acetaminophen
Antibiotics
Aspirin
AZT
Cocaine
Grisepfulvin
Indomethacin
Methamphetamine
l-DOPA
NSAIDs
Statins"
"Summary
There is so much more that could be written about mitochondria from the perspective of an integrative medicine clinician. I think we are seeing only the tip of the iceberg of the role of mitochondrial dysfunction in our patients’ disease and ill health. As the environment becomes more polluted and drug prescribing increases, this problem will become even worse. The good news is that there is a lot we can do to help."
From an 'integrative medicine" journal, and written by an ND (which stands for Not a Doctor)
I asked for science, not pseudoscience
ETA
And even if we were to take this article at face value, it doesn't say a word about keto.11 -
To the women who prioritise contraception pills over anything. There are rafts of medical papers which indicate overriding one's natural cycle is detrimental to women's health. In many ways consuming low or very low even no carb is more natural than the contraceptive pill. For many its the storing of excess oestrogen in "body fat cells" is an issue. Modern society has many chemicals which were not used as widely when I was a child but now are rife in foods, and our environment be they in off gassing from fabrics, furniture, paint/varnish finishes, personal and domestic hygiene products, to the tap water we drink many of these mimic natural oestrogen. Its the reduction of body fat which releases oestrogen which needs to be eliminated. There is nothing natural about the contraceptive pill nor introducing copper at unreasonable amounts used in IUD's. True the body needs copper but less than 1 gram a day.
How many of you realise, were copper the coating of door handles in public buildings the reservoir of germs and viruses would be significantly smaller, its how it kills sperm as any other microbe! There are so many toxic chemicals which will accumulate in women's bodies, when you think these women are built to produce our future generation, the toxicity contributes to the health issues even tendency towards weight gain of future young people. For obvious reasons women's bodies are more complicated because they are capable of growing a child, medical science in the past paid little if any consideration to this while providing a full stop for the time one takes the pill and possibly even after.
To those who condemn integrative medicine, do you realise it uses the very same blood tests available in any US medical service. (I differentiate this here because in the UK we are deigned full endocrine screening) Using the information garnered from these blood tests, the relationships in values are considered, the base functions and interrelations also, advice is give to a tested person towards their overcoming the difficulty, which caused the need for testing, often without turning to "big pharma" for more synthetic compounds, preferring to use natural compounds available in foods.
Using functional medica teckniques with a BANT registered nutritionist (UK) I have managed to turn my health around, I'm more healthy than I was 30 years ago because the system we are permitted even then did not provide more than shoving one into the preordained boxes, "into which I did not fit", and was not "interesting" enough to investigate thoroughly my increased ill health.
r
Yesterday, our (UK) judicery embarked on discovering why in excess of 3000 people died through the use of imported blood products from the late '60's through to the late '80's and other are living/existing, today with the consequences, diseases caused by giving them products not up to the standard of our home grown produces. I expect the outcome will be, It was deamed too expensive to have mass information programms to encourage more home grown blood doners and do the collections when it was so cheep to buy it in from abroad. This was our public policy. It is still our public policy to place illnessses into boxes which need to be treated in an equally historic way because our system is not permitted to embrace the better understanding medical science is bringing forward on, if not daily probably weekly basis.
My hope is that by the time you 20/30 somethings reach my age and state of ill health, the scoffed at Functional approach now, will be the normal then, enableling us, sorry YOU, because I will not be about then. Will enable you to be more responsible for your own health, with information at one time not know and later not incourporated in to our medical practices. Regretably, we can't put, "Old heads on Young Shoulders". For many who could develop conditions mentioned in others previous posts could well be avoided and for those less fortunate the application of a Keto style low/no carb diet could bring some relief.
With the scientific knowledge available now, my family could have had 10 or 20 more good years with my father. Each and every one of us deserves to be in good health when the science indicates we need to change the historic medical understanding we should work for change.
(I do have an axe to grind and this is that, all children/ grandchildren, even great grandchildren should not have the health difficulties my generation endureed)
In order to benefit from the advances of science, you have to listen to actual science, not alt-med quackery.16
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