October 2018 Monthly Running Challenge
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@midwesterner85 I saw this and asked a colleague real quick. He's a physician that lifts hard core and specializes in weight loss. He said that ALT can rise moderately with running those distances, but AST rises even more because even though it is a liver test, it's in other places in the body too. He did also say that 7 days of rest would give a more accurate result. His input is only one, but I love learning and wondered what he would say!
@AprilRN10 Thank you for asking, but my ALT is much higher than AST. Both are higher than they should be, though.0 -
@midwesterner85 You're welcome. I asked because 1) you asked and 2) I didn't know the answer. I don't give medical advice because of legal risk, but I should know the answer. If I don't know it, I want to know it. I agree with Elise that it shouldn't be dismissed. I do know that elevated enzymes don't always indicate a problem. Sometimes they are chronic and benign, but I feel that everything should be ruled out before that's decided.3
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I ran the Reebok Women's 10k in Boston this morning which is a race I've run six times previously. This is Reebok's first time as the sponsor and they are already mired in controversy. The second turnaround was in the wrong place which meant the race (USATF sanctioned no less) was 0.2 miles short. That must be such a kick in the teeth to anyone who thought they'd run a PR. For once I'm glad I was about 20 seconds slower than my best 10k time.
My garmin data from 2017
My garmin data from today
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midwesterner85 wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »I have a question for the group, particularly anyone who runs similar or higher miles than me (i.e. about 40-50 miles/week):
For the 2nd year in a row, my ALT/AST results have been very high. I asked my dr. and he wanted to do a re-test this year, which was done a month later with a different lab and they were even worse! I don't drink alcohol, but did when I was younger. I've had maybe a dozen drinks in the last few years.
After the 2nd test came back even higher, he just brushed it off as just high because I run so much. Does anyone else who runs that many miles see high ALT/AST results? If not, I need to be concerned.
a google search seems to agree with the dr.
someone even asked runners world
Yes, I found that it could be a cause of elevated results... but this is really high.
ETA: Did they really suggest not running for A WEEK?! I can't do that, so I guess I'll never get a good test result, then.
Aside from the running it's pretty common for diabetics to have weird livers. Mine gets irritated for no readily-identifiable reason sometimes. That might be part of what the doctor is factoring into his opinion.3 -
What big sweet eyes! Did you hear anything back on the bunny? We used to foster orphan bunnies, and they will break your heart... they are so fragile and easily stressed. Hoping for the best!0 -
@MobyCarp
Thanks for your insight. Times, I think, are directly related to the price one chooses to pay.
@AprilRN10
Congratulations on your PB!!!4 -
@biketheworld -- I thought you disappeared! Haha! Congrats on a couple of great races and glad your PF didn't come into play and your stayed injury free on the tricky grass course!3
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@rheddmobile i don't think it made it. he wasn't quite a bunny, not full grown. but they don't have him on their list of patients
i'll peek for the next few days6 -
@midwesterner85 I run a fair few miles weekly (60-80), and last month had blood work done for my annual biological inspection sticker. Everything was normal (ALT=32, AST=27), so while running may cause elevated results, I have no idea how many runners it affects, nor to what extent. I would certainly get a second opinion though, rather than having it dismissed as "oh, it's just running".
Another warm morning at 75F with a dew point of 71F. That made for yet another sweaty run, this time consisting of 3 miles to warm up, 9 miles at tempo pace, and then a final 3 miles to cool back down again. Overall if felt like a good solid effort, and I'm happy with the definite improvements I'm seeing on some of the harder runs.
01 - 15.63
02 - 14.43
03 - 10.21
04 - 12.19
05 - 22.04
08 - 15.63
Total: 90.13 / 250 miles10 -
Sigh. Back from the ortho. X-rays show likely stress fracture; MRI ordered to confirm severity. Crutches and "toe tap weight" only on the left side until full treatment plan figured out. Unlikely that the MRI will rule out stress fracture, but he said not to drop the race just yet. Slightly hopeful, but I got the, "Please come here so I can show you the very concerning x-ray" talk so mostly just feeling sad.17
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Oh bugger, @fitoverfortymom. How frustrating.
Sad about the bunny, @mbaker566.
Great wee run this morning - first kilometre with two smalls on bikes. Dropped the smallest at kindy and did another 5km with Miss 6. No whinging at all. Hooray. Although there were a few stops and starts (drinks, jumper off, "which way", road crossings, loose (friendly) dog, god knows what now?!) and one very steep but thankfully short hill that she needed pushing up which nearly killed me!
Running challenge
1 Oct: In bed, dying
2 Oct: Recovering from near death
3 Oct 4.6km, realise am still suffering the effects of near-death experience. Yoga too.
4 Oct: 5.78km
5 Oct: rest
6 Oct: yoga
7 Oct: hungover +gardening
8 Oct: 20.02km and now to taper. Yoga in the evening.
9 Oct: 5.8km with Miss 6 on her bike.
36.2 of 120km for September.
Upcoming events
29 October, Auckland Half
17 November, Xterra Trail Challenge Waihi 20.5km
8 December, West Coaster trail relay (10km leg)9 -
@fitoverfortymom Sorry to hear that; stress fractures suck, or rather the not being allowed to run sucks. You can have some fun with it though...when friends and co-workers would ask me how my stress fracture was coming along (lower tibia), I would reply "Well it really kinda hurts still when I do this" and then I would stamp up and down violently on my leg. My good leg. The horrified looks you get are priceless.12
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midwesterner85 wrote: »I have a question for the group, particularly anyone who runs similar or higher miles than me (i.e. about 40-50 miles/week):
For the 2nd year in a row, my ALT/AST results have been very high. I asked my dr. and he wanted to do a re-test this year, which was done a month later with a different lab and they were even worse! I don't drink alcohol, but did when I was younger. I've had maybe a dozen drinks in the last few years.
After the 2nd test came back even higher, he just brushed it off as just high because I run so much. Does anyone else who runs that many miles see high ALT/AST results? If not, I need to be concerned.
Sample of one, pulled my file of blood work . . . and saw both ALT an AST within the reference range. In the top half of the range, but not super close to the top end.
I might not have been running as many miles as you when the tests were done. Most recent one was done when I was rehabbing/pointing at Boston, weekly running miles high 30s to low 40s before the test.4 -
Date :::: Miles :::: Cumulative
10/01/18 :::: 5.0 :::: 5.0
10/02/18 :::: 4.2 :::: 9.2
10/03/18 :::: 7.1 :::: 16.3
10/04/18 :::: 3.7 :::: 20.0
10/05/18 :::: 0.0 :::: 20.0
10/06/18 :::: 20.0 :::: 40.0
10/07/18 :::: 5.0 :::: 45.0
10/08/18 :::: 4.5 :::: 49.6
Run before circuit training today. I forgot to pack my shoes in my bag, but I did have an old pair at work which I thought was probably a bad idea but I didn't have time to go home (or rather I didn't have time to go home, deal with the dog and try to get out of the house again). I also realized that my ankle is slightly swollen from yesterday's little incident. So I was pretty gingerly trying out a short run but things felt ok so I kept going a little longer. If I don't hyperflex or jump it seems to be pain free. I will baby it though this week. The shoes worked out with no ill effects I think. Hopefully this is not a sign that this week is continuing to be the comedy of errors that was last week.
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1---2.30 lunch
2---3.59 intervals
4---3.42 haphazardly done.
5---9.02 bike
6---7.0 (3,3) intervals
7---2.00 TM
8---3.21
Running 21.6/65 to 90
Cycling. 9.02/60
Upcoming Races
October 14th Spirit of Survival Lawton OK. Quarter Marathon
November 3rd Dinosaur Valley Endurance Run. Half. Glen Rose TX
January 5 BIRR Ultra relay. 50k. Hawaii. For @KeepRunningFatboy
March 31, 2019 A2A Undecided distance. Ardmore OK
April 28, 2019 OKC Memorial Marathon (half)6 -
Hey all! I’m David from North Carolina / Virginia. I have been running 30+ miles a week and just completed my first 1/2 marathon this past weekend! Training for a fulll marathon February 10 in New Orleans which thrilled about!20
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@midwesterner Being that you are diabetic, I believe you are at higher risk for non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, so I would ask for an ultrasound to check the gallbladder and liver. My liver function tests were high when my gallbladder went on the fritz, but I can’t remember which ones. Seems safer to rule things out than assume the high numbers are from running. My liver function tests were high last week, but I have other obvious symptoms; it was caused from a medication.
@fitoverfortymom Sorry to hear about your stress fracture!3 -
PastorVincent wrote: »
10/01 - 10 miles
10/02 - 0 miles
10/03 - 11 miles
10/04 - 9 miles
10/05 - 0
10/06 - 12? Forgot to start watch *grumble*
10/07 - 0
10/08 - 15.5
Upcoming Races:
Harvest 10 Miler - November 2018
Steel Challange 5k - May 2019
Pittsburgh Marathon - May 2019
Glacier Ridge 50k Trail Race - May 2019
--More as I find them - need to find a nice trail race
2021 - Disney World Dopey! (if can raise funds)
2019 GOAL: Knock a full hour off my 50k time at Glacier Ridge.4 -
UGH!
That was STUPID. I know better really I do.
So I am in the locker room and getting my stuff out for what might be my only run this week due to the wedding. My Body Glide is LIQUID - it must have gotten hot in the truck. it spilled out on the rug and the solidified. Then I found out I left all my food at home. No fuel or anything and the temps were in the upper 80's.
STUPID IDIOT, ME GOES FOR A LONG RUN ANYWAYS AND PROMPTLY GETS LOST.
15.5 miles with no fuel, not enough water, in hot conditions with blood sugar issues. Yeah, so much for that IQ test proclaiming me a genius.
I barely made it to the gym to shower and change feeling my blood sugar crashing. I decide to walk to food store (less than a block) to get chocolate milk, but I have my gym bag and often get stopped by security, so I used my ninja skills and sneak in a back door behind an employee to get around security and get to the chocolate milk.
I find a place to sit and drink it. Some dude tries to talk to me "Man you look worse than me" and stuff. SO LEAVE ME BE. sheesh. I then feel my stomach not happy and try to find a bathroom, do not make it and puke by the frozen fish. I do not think they minded though. Did not complain much at least. I finally make it to the bathroom and finish puking there.
Feeling better, marginally, I rush to the self-checkout, fight with the machine because of course, this will be the first time it ever misbehaves for me, and then to my Jeep. I feel bad I did not tell the employees about puking, but really did not think about it at the time. My mind was solely on "45 min drive home, keep eyes open for bathrooms along the way." Well, maybe the fish will let them know
Well, make it home somehow in the lightest traffic I have ever seen, thank God! Now I can recover in peace.
Best part probably is that I was at 15.5 miles, already well into a blood sugar crash. Barely able to walk straight and I was like "I should just go that last 1/2 mile..."18 -
And I've just received confirmation that my 10k today was short.
Important Note on Today's Course
We want to update you on a late course change we adopted in today’s race.
After today’s race began, race organizers and volunteers working the second turn-around point on Memorial Drive were asked for cooperation by area public safety agencies on moving the location of the turn-around point. In an effort to be as responsive and collaborative as possible, we altered the traditional location of this turn-around by approximately 150 meters. The result, unfortunately, was a shortened race course by approximately 300 meters, thereby making the day's race ineligible for records. We apologize for any confusion this may have caused.
That's the first time I've heard of a course being altered after the race has started.0
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