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charlene77 wrote: »My husband just lost 70 pounds on Keto! He was supposed to start blood pressure medication in March. His blood pressure is down to 125/70.
He walked in the doctors office today and the doctor was thrilled as soon as he saw him. When he told him what he did, he said he is excited to see his blood work as he thinks his numbers are going to be good.
I’ve started Keto. I am down 31 pounds.
Don’t listen to everyone that says Keto is all about eating bacon.
I eat a ton of veggies everyday. I am actually aiming for higher protein than fat, unlike like many Keto people. I just stay away from sugar and don’t stress about it.
Maybe I should be considered low carb instead of Keto, since I am not into fatty meats.
You both lost weight not because of Keto. You simply lost weight due to calorie deficit. Its that simple.
So predictable, when someone has success with a keto WOE a flurry of following post will claim keto had nothing to do with it. For the record keto has nothing to do with my 22 pound loss and it was effortless with no calorie counting.
The diet she described was absolutely not Keto. She said she eats a lot of vegetables, tries to avoid sugar, and targets more protein than fat. That is not the Keto diet.
The Keto diet is:
1. A fixed, extremely low carb amount, regardless of source.
2. Moderate protein intake
3. High fat intake
If someone is not doing that, then it is not the Keto diet.19 -
charlene77 wrote: »My husband just lost 70 pounds on Keto! He was supposed to start blood pressure medication in March. His blood pressure is down to 125/70.
He walked in the doctors office today and the doctor was thrilled as soon as he saw him. When he told him what he did, he said he is excited to see his blood work as he thinks his numbers are going to be good.
I’ve started Keto. I am down 31 pounds.
Don’t listen to everyone that says Keto is all about eating bacon.
I eat a ton of veggies everyday. I am actually aiming for higher protein than fat, unlike like many Keto people. I just stay away from sugar and don’t stress about it.
Maybe I should be considered low carb instead of Keto, since I am not into fatty meats.
You both lost weight not because of Keto. You simply lost weight due to calorie deficit. Its that simple.
So predictable, when someone has success with a keto WOE a flurry of following post will claim keto had nothing to do with it. For the record keto has nothing to do with my 22 pound loss and it was effortless with no calorie counting.
The diet she described was absolutely not Keto. She said she eats a lot of vegetables, tries to avoid sugar, and targets more protein than fat. That is not the Keto diet.
The Keto diet is:
1. A fixed, extremely low carb amount, regardless of source.
2. Moderate protein intake
3. High fat intake
If someone is not doing that, then it is not the Keto diet.
Nope. The secret to getting into ketosis is not the amount of fat that you eat, it is restricting the amount of carbs that you eat. In fact, if you are actively trying to lose weight, it is very beneficial to NOT put tons of fat into everything that you eat (forces the body to use fat stores instead of using dietary fat for energy). Lots of people also maintain ketosis keeping fat and protein at similar levels (like 45% fat, 45% protein and 10% carbs).
Also, there are a lot of people who can maintain ketosis on carb amounts as high as 50-60 grams (or higher, depending on activity levels). Since most who follow keto only count net carbs (carbs - fiber), if you stick to leafy greens like spinach, broccoli, cauliflower, etc, you can eat a lot of them with getting very many net carbs (i.e. carbs that would be used for energy). As an example, 100 grams of spinach has 4 grams of carbs of which 2 grams are fiber so only 2 net carbs. Broccoli and cauliflower have similar values.12 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://nutritiouslife.com/eat-empowered/food-cravings-really-mean/
@jjpptt2 the above is just a quick find that can help us all learn how to dig deeper on this subject. As noted this is relative a new discovery for most of us.
Just learning calories was not the root cause of my 40 years of obesity has been helpful already.
Calories were the root cause of your obesity though, specifically, too many of them. You can continue to blame cravings or specific foods all you like, but the simple fact was you ate too much. You'll gain weight if you eat too many calories on keto too, and that is a fact whether you choose to believe it or not.21 -
charlene77 wrote: »My husband just lost 70 pounds on Keto! He was supposed to start blood pressure medication in March. His blood pressure is down to 125/70.
He walked in the doctors office today and the doctor was thrilled as soon as he saw him. When he told him what he did, he said he is excited to see his blood work as he thinks his numbers are going to be good.
I’ve started Keto. I am down 31 pounds.
Don’t listen to everyone that says Keto is all about eating bacon.
I eat a ton of veggies everyday. I am actually aiming for higher protein than fat, unlike like many Keto people. I just stay away from sugar and don’t stress about it.
Maybe I should be considered low carb instead of Keto, since I am not into fatty meats.
You both lost weight not because of Keto. You simply lost weight due to calorie deficit. Its that simple.
So predictable, when someone has success with a keto WOE a flurry of following post will claim keto had nothing to do with it. For the record keto has nothing to do with my 22 pound loss and it was effortless with no calorie counting.
The diet she described was absolutely not Keto. She said she eats a lot of vegetables, tries to avoid sugar, and targets more protein than fat. That is not the Keto diet.
The Keto diet is:
1. A fixed, extremely low carb amount, regardless of source.
2. Moderate protein intake
3. High fat intake
If someone is not doing that, then it is not the Keto diet.
I tend to inter mix keto and LCHF. I try to stay between 20g ~ 50g or less. Either way you call it losing a significant amount of weight due to a LCHF or keto WOE is a victory in my opinion. Keto does not exclude Veggies but you will need to exclude root based and other higher carb varieties. I am probably more LCHF but often enter ketosis. I guess there is a hard keto definition somewhere but most people adapt it to their needs.6 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://nutritiouslife.com/eat-empowered/food-cravings-really-mean/
@jjpptt2 the above is just a quick find that can help us all learn how to dig deeper on this subject. As noted this is relative a new discovery for most of us.
Just learning calories was not the root cause of my 40 years of obesity has been helpful already.
Calories were the root cause of your obesity though, specifically, too many of them. You can continue to blame cravings or specific foods all you like, but the simple fact was you ate too much. You'll gain weight if you eat too many calories on keto too, and that is a fact whether you choose to believe it or not.
Well no point in studying patients with obesity or it's cause because you have it figured out. Just think of the money that can be saved because you have ruled out genetics and hormonal issues completely.41 -
*sigh*8
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GaleHawkins wrote: »https://nutritiouslife.com/eat-empowered/food-cravings-really-mean/
@jjpptt2 the above is just a quick find that can help us all learn how to dig deeper on this subject. As noted this is relative a new discovery for most of us.
Just learning calories was not the root cause of my 40 years of obesity has been helpful already.
Calories were the root cause of your obesity though, specifically, too many of them. You can continue to blame cravings or specific foods all you like, but the simple fact was you ate too much. You'll gain weight if you eat too many calories on keto too, and that is a fact whether you choose to believe it or not.
Well no point in studying patients with obesity or it's cause because you have it figured out. Just think of the money that can be saved because you have ruled out genetics and hormonal issues completely.
Genetics and hormonal issues don't invalidate CICO. If a person loses weight, it is because they are at a calorie deficit, not because the magical keto fairy removed their fat stores in the middle of the night. Just think of the money that could be saved if people could understand this one basic principle instead of jumping from one fad diet to the next.25 -
@wmd1979 calories have never been the 'root' cause of obesity nor will become the root cause. No calories have ever jumped into my mouth. They are not like evil and we have to do battle with them daily.
The question is more like why do I overate calories. What about the things in our gut that is telling our brain what they want us to eat. Keto has been breaking cravings for the macros that are bad for our health longer than any of us have been alive.
https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5496172/
"....By revisiting the causes for obesity, especially those stated by the leading health organisms, this article makes the case to view obesity as a consequence of disturbing the auto-regulation of hormones related to fat production and accumulation by diet composition, in particular that produced by industrialized processed food...."
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GaleHawkins wrote: »https://nutritiouslife.com/eat-empowered/food-cravings-really-mean/
@jjpptt2 the above is just a quick find that can help us all learn how to dig deeper on this subject. As noted this is relative a new discovery for most of us.
Just learning calories was not the root cause of my 40 years of obesity has been helpful already.
Calories were the root cause of your obesity though, specifically, too many of them. You can continue to blame cravings or specific foods all you like, but the simple fact was you ate too much. You'll gain weight if you eat too many calories on keto too, and that is a fact whether you choose to believe it or not.
Well no point in studying patients with obesity or it's cause because you have it figured out. Just think of the money that can be saved because you have ruled out genetics and hormonal issues completely.
This is absolutely true.
The problem is that too many people are making money off of human nature. Too many people don't want to believe the genetic and hormonal issues are pretty much irrelevant. A majority would rather be miserable and be "right", rather than be wrong.10 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »@wmd1979 calories have never been the 'root' cause of obesity nor will become the root cause. No calories have ever jumped into my mouth. They are not like evil and we have to do battle with them daily.
Overeating calories is the root cause of obesity. Too many calories in, not enough calories out. Whether or not CI or CO is impacted by medical conditions, there is always a point where there is energy balance, that is, CO=CI. Nobody has a condition where they can't lose (or gain) weight because they don't have a point where CO=CI.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »@wmd1979 calories have never been the 'root' cause of obesity nor will become the root cause. No calories have ever jumped into my mouth. They are not like evil and we have to do battle with them daily.
The question is more like why do I overate calories. What about the things in our gut that is telling our brain what they want us to eat. Keto has been breaking cravings for the macros that are bad for our health longer than any of us have been alive.
https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5496172/
"....By revisiting the causes for obesity, especially those stated by the leading health organisms, this article makes the case to view obesity as a consequence of disturbing the auto-regulation of hormones related to fat production and accumulation by diet composition, in particular that produced by industrialized processed food...."
What macros are bad for health?9 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »@wmd1979 calories have never been the 'root' cause of obesity nor will become the root cause. No calories have ever jumped into my mouth. They are not like evil and we have to do battle with them daily.
The question is more like why do I overate calories. What about the things in our gut that is telling our brain what they want us to eat. Keto has been breaking cravings for the macros that are bad for our health longer than any of us have been alive.
https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5496172/
"....By revisiting the causes for obesity, especially those stated by the leading health organisms, this article makes the case to view obesity as a consequence of disturbing the auto-regulation of hormones related to fat production and accumulation by diet composition, in particular that produced by industrialized processed food...."
What macros are bad for health?
The ones that make you health worse
This is why ones own n=1 results are mission critical.21 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »@wmd1979 calories have never been the 'root' cause of obesity nor will become the root cause. No calories have ever jumped into my mouth. They are not like evil and we have to do battle with them daily.
The question is more like why do I overate calories. What about the things in our gut that is telling our brain what they want us to eat. Keto has been breaking cravings for the macros that are bad for our health longer than any of us have been alive.
https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5496172/
"....By revisiting the causes for obesity, especially those stated by the leading health organisms, this article makes the case to view obesity as a consequence of disturbing the auto-regulation of hormones related to fat production and accumulation by diet composition, in particular that produced by industrialized processed food...."
What macros are bad for health?
The ones that make you health worse
This is why ones own n=1 results are mission critical.
and those are...?
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GaleHawkins wrote: »@wmd1979 calories have never been the 'root' cause of obesity nor will become the root cause. No calories have ever jumped into my mouth. They are not like evil and we have to do battle with them daily.
The question is more like why do I overate calories. What about the things in our gut that is telling our brain what they want us to eat. Keto has been breaking cravings for the macros that are bad for our health longer than any of us have been alive.
https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5496172/
"....By revisiting the causes for obesity, especially those stated by the leading health organisms, this article makes the case to view obesity as a consequence of disturbing the auto-regulation of hormones related to fat production and accumulation by diet composition, in particular that produced by industrialized processed food...."
The idea that macronutrients, devoid of any context related to lifestyle and portion size, are bad for your health is just ridiculous. You're terrified of bananas and spinach and you think your "gut" is telling your brain to eat them. Step back, man.11 -
From what I have been reading lately, Keto has its place to help with certain medical conditions. I am not a fan of using it strictly for weight loss (I still feel it's a fad diet in that context). If it's to help with those conditions as well, and your doctor encourages it, I say go for it.3
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@GaleHawkins have you considered that your poor health was more the result of being obese in and of itself, rather then any particular macro?15
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GaleHawkins wrote: »https://nutritiouslife.com/eat-empowered/food-cravings-really-mean/
@jjpptt2 the above is just a quick find that can help us all learn how to dig deeper on this subject. As noted this is relative a new discovery for most of us.
Just learning calories was not the root cause of my 40 years of obesity has been helpful already.
Calories were the root cause of your obesity though, specifically, too many of them. You can continue to blame cravings or specific foods all you like, but the simple fact was you ate too much. You'll gain weight if you eat too many calories on keto too, and that is a fact whether you choose to believe it or not.
Well no point in studying patients with obesity or it's cause because you have it figured out. Just think of the money that can be saved because you have ruled out genetics and hormonal issues completely.
if genetics and hormone issues cause obesity then I would have never became obese. both parents were of healthy weights,both grandparents on my moms side were as well, my grandma on my dads side was of a healthy weight. my grandpa(her husband) was 6'4 and over 300lbs. not sure if that would make him overweight but from pics Ive seen he didnt look overweight. me and my 4 sisters were all thin and of normal weight most of our lives until we hit a certain age and became less active but ate more than we thought we were eating, we werent fed junk as children except for a rare treat or it was our birthday and had a party. we were active kids too I became obese due to being less active and eating way too much.
my mom and her brother were thin yet my aunt was on the heavy side always was. most of my family is on the thinner side or normal weight only a few of them are obese,but most of them are obese due to their diets.4 -
@GaleHawkins have you considered that your poor health was more the result of being obese in and of itself, rather then any particular macro?
Beating a dead horse...6 -
@GaleHawkins have you considered that your poor health was more the result of being obese in and of itself, rather then any particular macro?
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