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Keto diet = good or bad
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I confess I never eat bread for nutrients. I eat it because I love the stuff.
Anecdote >>>Growing up rather poor, sometimes we had some bread in the house and a slice would go in a bowl with a little milk... Really odd how I never lost my taste for that.
I didn't gain weight either 😂3 -
I confess I never eat bread for nutrients. I eat it because I love the stuff.
Anecdote >>>Growing up rather poor, sometimes we had some bread in the house and a slice would go in a bowl with a little milk... Really odd how I never lost my taste for that.
I didn't gain weight either 😂
We used to do the same with extra gravy - if we didn't have anything else to put the gravy on, we would put it on bread or toast.3 -
I confess I never eat bread for nutrients. I eat it because I love the stuff.
Anecdote >>>Growing up rather poor, sometimes we had some bread in the house and a slice would go in a bowl with a little milk... Really odd how I never lost my taste for that.
I didn't gain weight either 😂
We used to do the same with extra gravy - if we didn't have anything else to put the gravy on, we would put it on bread or toast.
SoS 😋 that's another favorite0 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »And I also support any method anyone chooses to use that works for them.
But what needs to be understood here is that the reason *any* diet or way of eating may help someone lose weight is only if it also puts them in the necessary caloric deficit to facilitate that.
I know this graphic has been used a lot, but it bears repeating:
I hate this. People keep posting it. There is more to weight loss than calories. People who believe this say things like oh your not eating enough calories. Do you need to exercise more? Are you getting enough fiber?
If you think this is true, eat 1000 calories of sugar a day for a month. Then a 1000 calories of broccoli and butter for a day for a month and go get your blood work done. Then report back.
In both examples you would be malnourished...12 -
I don't do Keto. I eat grains, fiber and a moderate amount of sugar. I don't consider myself overly sensitive.
@fatblatta I celebrate the fact that you have found a way to eat that helps you down the path to your goals. I applaud you in having the courage to follow that path. I respect your experiences that have made you the person that you are today.
While my experiences might be different...along with the different path that I have chosen to follow...I hope that we both continue to have the courage to see it through.
^^^ For the win!2 -
The CICO people cannot be moved. Keto people who stick with it and have success also cannot be moved. I have done both and been very successful on both. Both led to significant weight loss. Both improved my blood panels significantly- yes even with eating a ton of fat on keto my blood work improved a lot. Both work. I just find Keto much easier for me because I feel full. I am not a gym rat who spends hours and hours a week in the gym and then brags how they eat pizza and ice cream. Yeah it’s true but you paid a price for it. It doesn’t come free. Enough with the back and forth. But everyone has to be right I guess.19
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The CICO people cannot be moved. Keto people who stick with it and have success also cannot be moved. I have done both and been very successful on both. Both led to significant weight loss. Both improved my blood panels significantly- yes even with eating a ton of fat on keto my blood work improved a lot. Both work. I just find Keto much easier for me because I feel full. I am not a gym rat who spends hours and hours a week in the gym and then brags how they eat pizza and ice cream. Yeah it’s true but you paid a price for it. It doesn’t come free. Enough with the back and forth. But everyone has to be right I guess.
The only thing "the CICO people" are saying is that every single way of eating on the planet still adheres to the energy balance equation that is CICO.
Eat too many calories of anything on a consistent basis - enough to keep you in a caloric excess over time - and you will gain weight. Whether you keep track of the amount of calories you're consuming or not. Whether those calories are "clean," fat-ridden, vegetarian, organic, whole, spread out over the day or eaten in a one-hour period.
There's no magic in any particular way of eating. The sole benefit to any of it is only if it helps the person remain in the caloric deficit needed to realize weight loss.
Edited to add: To the bolded:
It's clear that you seem to think that CICO is a diet, since you've compared it to keto and your success on both. You can't actually 'do' CICO. Every human body on the planet adheres to the principle of CICO, whether they understand that or not.16 -
The CICO people cannot be moved. Keto people who stick with it and have success also cannot be moved. I have done both and been very successful on both. Both led to significant weight loss. Both improved my blood panels significantly- yes even with eating a ton of fat on keto my blood work improved a lot. Both work. I just find Keto much easier for me because I feel full. I am not a gym rat who spends hours and hours a week in the gym and then brags how they eat pizza and ice cream. Yeah it’s true but you paid a price for it. It doesn’t come free. Enough with the back and forth. But everyone has to be right I guess.
Maybe you didn't realize that you're in the Debate section of the forums?17 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »The only thing "the CICO people" are saying is that every single way of eating on the planet still adheres to the energy balance equation that is CICO.
Individuals struggling to lose weight and more importantly, keep it off for the rest of their lives, will continue to struggle until this is accepted as fact...
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Important to remember, no diet is inherently better or worse. All diets work, all diets don't work. It all depends on the individual.5
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Important to remember, no diet is inherently better or worse. All diets work, all diets don't work. It all depends on the individual.
It’s kind of interesting reading through thread after thread like this one where the only people actually proclaiming a diet is superior are those following keto/LCHF. Those challenging that there are magical or exceptional benefits to that diet are not in fact claiming that any particular diet is better, yet that seems constantly to be how the dialogue goes and is interpreted.11 -
The CICO people cannot be moved. Keto people who stick with it and have success also cannot be moved. I have done both and been very successful on both. Both led to significant weight loss. Both improved my blood panels significantly- yes even with eating a ton of fat on keto my blood work improved a lot. Both work. I just find Keto much easier for me because I feel full. I am not a gym rat who spends hours and hours a week in the gym and then brags how they eat pizza and ice cream. Yeah it’s true but you paid a price for it. It doesn’t come free. Enough with the back and forth. But everyone has to be right I guess.
Aww, dear, li'l ol' MFP granny feels sad for you that you don't have any fun exercise! (Much of mine happens on a river, very little in a gym, though).
It's true that carbs make good fuel for doing that fun stuff, but fortunately keto is no bar to being ultra active. Keto people get to have active fun, too!
But, yes, I get to have the fun and the pizza. (Can't see how that's bad.)
Have a happy, healthy old age! :drinker:10 -
I don't have a gym membership and I get pizza and ice cream. I mean, why wouldn't I? A large cheese slice is around 250 calories, same as a premium scoop of Baskin Robbins; an ice cream sandwich is about 160. Two hour walks and strength training? TOTALLY worth it!4
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I'm airing one last thought now that the "conversation" seems to be over. Something that bugs the heck out of me is how I've seen some keto sites (and heard people) present it. That ketovale site ..."Join our movement"...
What movement? It's a way someone chooses to eat, not a political/religious/gonna save your soul thing. It's food.
Sounds almost cult like from some people, so I really appreciate the folks who just call it what it is.
Ok, done now lol.15 -
I'm airing one last thought now that the "conversation" seems to be over. Something that bugs the heck out of me is how I've seen some keto sites (and heard people) present it. That ketovale site ..."Join our movement"...
What movement? It's a way someone chooses to eat, not a political/religious/gonna save your soul thing. It's food.
Sounds almost cult like from some people, so I really appreciate the folks who just call it what it is.
Ok, done now lol.
It speaks to human nature. Generally, people are psychologically hard-wired with an inherent need to feel special or enlightened or somehow elevated from the uneducated. Self-worth, in many cases, insists upon it.
That's why any sort of perceived in-the-know special interest group - in any area of life - generally gets its hardcore adherents and most vocal proponents amongst the newly-converted.
It's like finding the holy grail.
Even when its not.12 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »I'm airing one last thought now that the "conversation" seems to be over. Something that bugs the heck out of me is how I've seen some keto sites (and heard people) present it. That ketovale site ..."Join our movement"...
What movement? It's a way someone chooses to eat, not a political/religious/gonna save your soul thing. It's food.
Sounds almost cult like from some people, so I really appreciate the folks who just call it what it is.
Ok, done now lol.
It speaks to human nature. Generally, people are psychologically hard-wired with an inherent need to feel special or enlightened or somehow elevated from the uneducated. Self-worth, in many cases, insists upon it.
That's why any sort of perceived in-the-know special interest group - in any area of life - generally gets its hardcore adherents and most vocal proponents amongst the newly-converted.
It's like finding the holy grail.
Even when its not.
@snickerscharlie That bold is so well said, as is the rest, but I focused on that as, seeing it in print like that, it's so prevalent across so many different scenarios and applications.
We all have intrinsic value in my opinion, and a very high value at that, whether an individual knows it or not. I'll continue to seek affirmation elsewhere I think...
Thanks for your input, always appreciated4 -
The CICO people cannot be moved. Keto people who stick with it and have success also cannot be moved. I have done both and been very successful on both. Both led to significant weight loss. Both improved my blood panels significantly- yes even with eating a ton of fat on keto my blood work improved a lot. Both work. I just find Keto much easier for me because I feel full. I am not a gym rat who spends hours and hours a week in the gym and then brags how they eat pizza and ice cream. Yeah it’s true but you paid a price for it. It doesn’t come free. Enough with the back and forth. But everyone has to be right I guess.
I count myself as a "CICO person" and I could be moved if someone could demonstrate that calories don't matter for weight management. I haven't yet seen that evidence, so yeah . . . I'm a "CICO person."
Keep in mind that "CICO people" acknowledge that some people have success with keto due to the fact that it makes it easier for them to hit their calorie goal (even if they aren't consciously counting calories). Meanwhile, people who claim that carbohydrates are what really make you fat have no good way to explain how there are people who successfully manage their weight while eating moderate or even high carbohydrate diets.16 -
I'm airing one last thought now that the "conversation" seems to be over. Something that bugs the heck out of me is how I've seen some keto sites (and heard people) present it. That ketovale site ..."Join our movement"...
What movement? It's a way someone chooses to eat, not a political/religious/gonna save your soul thing. It's food.
Sounds almost cult like from some people, so I really appreciate the folks who just call it what it is.
Ok, done now lol.
You might enjoy reading the book, Diet Cults, by Matt Fitzgerald. He talks about this quite a bit, very interesting stuff!8 -
I'm airing one last thought now that the "conversation" seems to be over. Something that bugs the heck out of me is how I've seen some keto sites (and heard people) present it. That ketovale site ..."Join our movement"...
What movement? It's a way someone chooses to eat, not a political/religious/gonna save your soul thing. It's food.
Sounds almost cult like from some people, so I really appreciate the folks who just call it what it is.
Ok, done now lol.
You might enjoy reading the book, Diet Cults, by Matt Fitzgerald. He talks about this quite a bit, very interesting stuff!
It might frighten me too Thanks zeejane1 -
I'm airing one last thought now that the "conversation" seems to be over. Something that bugs the heck out of me is how I've seen some keto sites (and heard people) present it. That ketovale site ..."Join our movement"...
What movement? It's a way someone chooses to eat, not a political/religious/gonna save your soul thing. It's food.
Sounds almost cult like from some people, so I really appreciate the folks who just call it what it is.
Ok, done now lol.
You might enjoy reading the book, Diet Cults, by Matt Fitzgerald. He talks about this quite a bit, very interesting stuff!
It might frighten me too Thanks zeejane
I've read over 50 books on dieting/nutrition and this one is on my very short list of ones that I recommend I've borrowed it a couple times from the library, so maybe check around and see if you can find a copy to borrow? It's a quick read!0
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