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  • psychod787psychod787 Posts: 2,428Member, Premium Member Posts: 2,428Member, Premium Member
    kimny72 wrote: »
    psychod787 wrote: »
    While anecdotal... interesting article about what a hyperprocessed diet does to other animals... then a switch back to a so call "healthy" diet..
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.inverse.com/amp/article/51379-uncle-fat-macaque-monkey-thailand&ved=2ahUKEwiP9K7vl6_iAhWhq1kKHWDoCE0QFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw34THxY1sjnkn_Cigm07wFx&ampcf=1

    But was the important variable that changed "types of foods" or "ease of access to extra food"? If after capture he had instead been fed a controlled diet of yummy processed macaque kibble, would he have still lost weight and improved health? If the people-food his minions were handing him all day were less processed: raw nuts and seeds, avocado wedges, super-sweet grapes, roasted potatoes covered in extra-virgin olive oil... would he still have gotten fat? :wink:

    Who knows? If you have a monkey, we can do this experiment! Lol 🤣
  • psychod787psychod787 Posts: 2,428Member, Premium Member Posts: 2,428Member, Premium Member
    Wanted to one of the rodent studies I found.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19401758
  • SeattleBebop1SeattleBebop1 Posts: 26Member Member Posts: 26Member Member
    Someone mentioned the NOVA food classifications. I was curious, and found this:

    https://archive.wphna.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/WN-2016-7-1-3-28-38-Monteiro-Cannon-Levy-et-al-NOVA.pdf
  • kshama2001kshama2001 Posts: 19,719Member Member Posts: 19,719Member Member
    sardelsa wrote: »
    What strikes me right away when I compare the two groups is the amount of food given in the whole meals group. The time it would take, the amount of chewing involved with those food items. I am exhausted just looking at it especially that dinner and would definitely give up before I would come close to the calorie amount of the processed group. If it were me I'd probably eat a bit more if given the processed but burn a bit more since I had more time to move vs time spent eating

    My home made Thai beef salad (which I love) includes kale and chewy skirt steak. It takes me a LONG time to eat 400 calories worth of it.
  • PhirrgusPhirrgus Posts: 1,904Member Member Posts: 1,904Member Member
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    Someone mentioned the NOVA food classifications. I was curious, and found this:

    https://archive.wphna.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/WN-2016-7-1-3-28-38-Monteiro-Cannon-Levy-et-al-NOVA.pdf
    Someone mentioned the NOVA food classifications. I was curious, and found this:

    https://archive.wphna.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/WN-2016-7-1-3-28-38-Monteiro-Cannon-Levy-et-al-NOVA.pdf

    @SeattleBebop1 thanks for sharing. I did not realize how the ultra processed foods and drinks makes up so much of the Standard American Diet (SAD) and now better understand the why behind the health failures of today that was not all that common 50+ years ago.

    I think it's far more involved than the SAD, now vs then. We had plenty of ultra processed food in the 70s/80s. What was less common was the sit down order with a click society we have today. Granted additives have likely changed quite a bit as well as their volume of use in highly processed foods, but any scenario (JMHO) that simply blames food for poor health without considering how active or inactive the population is overall is missing a much larger piece of the puzzle.

    It sure is more involved now with kids breakfasts coming with Round Up in the box in more and more brands.

    Breakfast With a Dose of Roundup?
    https://ewg.org/childrenshealth/glyphosateincereal/

    But at least the kids are getting a "safe" dose of Round Up we are told. At least the Round Up in beer and wine is going to adults.

    https://webmd.com/food-recipes/news/20180815/roundup-chemical-in-your-cereal-what-to-know

    "Olga Naidenko, PhD, the Environmental Working Group’s senior science advisor for children’s environmental health, says glyphosate shouldn’t be in food, especially the foods we feed to young children."

    OK one bowl of Round Up only causing 1 case of cancer per 1,000,000 is really nothing but what happens 20 years down the road after the same person has eaten 6,000 bowls plus all of the other Round Up containing foods.

    The problem is this since 1974 most all countries that use tractors in farming have been using Round Up starting at some point. We are seeing only the tip of the food chain impact today I expect.

    https://detoxproject.org/glyphosate/glyphosate-and-roundup-negatively-affect-gut-bacteria/

    " In a second review, Samsel and Seneff pointed out that gut bacteria have this pathway and are susceptible to glyphosate toxicity, with the resulting disruptions in gut bacteria potentially impacting human and animal health. In addition, the authors noted glyphosate’s ability to chelate essential nutrient metals [Glyphosate chelates metals], making them unavailable to human and animal consumers. Thus glyphosate could potentially affect health by causing deficiencies of these nutrients.6"

    https://mamavation.com/food/pea-protein.html
    "Some of the organic pea protein brands’ products came back with higher levels of glyphosate than the conventional brands."

    https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/roundup-beer-wine
    Active ingredient in Roundup found in 95% of studied beers and wines
    The controversial herbicide is everywhere, apparently.

    Maybe when I cut out all forms of any grains in Oct 2014 I cut out common sources of Round Up that may be harmful to one's gut microbiome.

    You completely dodged what I said and posted a concern that has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

    Are you denying that we as a population are less active today than we were 50 years ago?

    Are you conflating toxins in our food with the additives I was referring to? Because the toxins are a whole other discussion.
  • ceiswynceiswyn Posts: 2,054Member Member Posts: 2,054Member Member
    I’m sure absolutely no weedkillers are used with any other crop. OH NO WAIT.
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