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Processed foods cause more weight gain
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But I still find the study useful and interesting, from that "brick in the wall of well-founded knowledge" standpoint I mentioned upthread.
I totally agree (as well as with the rest of your past two posts). I'm not arguing against the study, just discussing what it might mean and then disputing some (IMO inaccurate) takes on it.I didn't take it as picking on me @lemurcat2
Slight misunderstanding maybe...I only use defining terms like that to simplify conversation, I don't apply them to myself.
I didn't think you did and got what you meant, but because I took the "clean" thing and ran with it I didn't want you to think I was mistakenly trying to "correct" you or something. I think you and I are largely on the same page here.1 -
I think there is a lot more to why they gained weight than just because it was processed food. Many people can eat processed foods all the time and stay the same weight. Humans are too complex to be put in a box.2
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I only say "junk food" because I am just too kitten lazy to type hyperprocessed energy dense Hyperpalitable foods. Lol You can lose and maintain weight on ANY food.... it's what is maintainable and IMHO EASIER. The issue in have is that there are SOME studies that show after weight loss appetite ramps up. Kevin Hall showed roughly 100 cals for every kilogram lost. We are not sure I'd this is linear or If it plateaus. What's easier for the average American. 1000 calories of McDonalds or lean meats, veggies, potatoes, whole grains, friuts... ect? Just MY LAST 2 cents.. lol1
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psychod787 wrote: »I only say "junk food" because I am just too kitten lazy to type hyperprocessed energy dense Hyperpalitable foods. Lol You can lose and maintain weight on ANY food.... it's what is maintainable and IMHO EASIER. The issue in have is that there are SOME studies that show after weight loss appetite ramps up. Kevin Hall showed roughly 100 cals for every kilogram lost. We are not sure I'd this is linear or If it plateaus. What's easier for the average American. 1000 calories of McDonalds or lean meats, veggies, potatoes, whole grains, friuts... ect? Just MY LAST 2 cents.. lol
I lied.... we know on many controlled studies... when protein and fiber are equated... you lose, gain, or maintain on almost any diet. The problem with this is.... bump pa pum bum.... we live in a would where people have free access to food and a lab is not controlling calories....1 -
AmandaOmega wrote: »Another thing to keep in mind about processed foods is that they also contain ingredients that often interfere with the body's ability to regulate appetite. Some ingredients actually prevent your body from receiving the signal that it is full, so you are more likely to keep eating/feel hungry. While I believe that calorie counting is king, I do believe what you consume also has an affect on you. For example, I may only have 140 calories of cheese-its (and not go over my 1200 calories), but I tell you what, nothing seems to make my weight go up like cheese-its; much of it seems to be water weight (as it is easily lost when I stop eating cheese-its). From experiences like these, I do think what you eat matters, not just how much. The less processed food I eat, the leaner and better I feel (and the happier my scale is).
Yeah, I too want to know the special orexigenic agent they used in processed foods.2 -
magnusthenerd wrote: »AmandaOmega wrote: »Another thing to keep in mind about processed foods is that they also contain ingredients that often interfere with the body's ability to regulate appetite. Some ingredients actually prevent your body from receiving the signal that it is full, so you are more likely to keep eating/feel hungry. While I believe that calorie counting is king, I do believe what you consume also has an affect on you. For example, I may only have 140 calories of cheese-its (and not go over my 1200 calories), but I tell you what, nothing seems to make my weight go up like cheese-its; much of it seems to be water weight (as it is easily lost when I stop eating cheese-its). From experiences like these, I do think what you eat matters, not just how much. The less processed food I eat, the leaner and better I feel (and the happier my scale is).
Yeah, I too want to know the special orexigenic agent they used in processed foods.
It's called Love, you guys. Love.9 -
magnusthenerd wrote: »AmandaOmega wrote: »Another thing to keep in mind about processed foods is that they also contain ingredients that often interfere with the body's ability to regulate appetite. Some ingredients actually prevent your body from receiving the signal that it is full, so you are more likely to keep eating/feel hungry. While I believe that calorie counting is king, I do believe what you consume also has an affect on you. For example, I may only have 140 calories of cheese-its (and not go over my 1200 calories), but I tell you what, nothing seems to make my weight go up like cheese-its; much of it seems to be water weight (as it is easily lost when I stop eating cheese-its). From experiences like these, I do think what you eat matters, not just how much. The less processed food I eat, the leaner and better I feel (and the happier my scale is).
Yeah, I too want to know the special orexigenic agent they used in processed foods.
It's called Love, you guys. Love.
So that's why I lost weight when Karen left and took the kids...12 -
But I still find the study useful and interesting, from that "brick in the wall of well-founded knowledge" standpoint I mentioned upthread.
I totally agree (as well as with the rest of your past two posts). I'm not arguing against the study, just discussing what it might mean and then disputing some (IMO inaccurate) takes on it.
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Sure. I didn't think you were arguing against the study. I added that part more for general readers (if there are any
): Having just argued that I didn't find the processed/unprocessed categories very useful to me in a day-to-day practical sense, I wanted to underscore that that didn't mean I thought the study itself was pointless. 3 -
While anecdotal... interesting article about what a hyperprocessed diet does to other animals... then a switch back to a so call "healthy" diet..
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.inverse.com/amp/article/51379-uncle-fat-macaque-monkey-thailand&ved=2ahUKEwiP9K7vl6_iAhWhq1kKHWDoCE0QFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw34THxY1sjnkn_Cigm07wFx&cf=11 -
psychod787 wrote: »While anecdotal... interesting article about what a hyperprocessed diet does to other animals... then a switch back to a so call "healthy" diet..
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.inverse.com/amp/article/51379-uncle-fat-macaque-monkey-thailand&ved=2ahUKEwiP9K7vl6_iAhWhq1kKHWDoCE0QFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw34THxY1sjnkn_Cigm07wFx&cf=1
No more fruit smoothies for him.
More anecdotal incoming, aside from being almost as hairy as he is, I gained my extra weight on all good food. It perplexed the heck out of me as I couldn't understand how I could eat "healthy" yet still gain weight...7 -
psychod787 wrote: »While anecdotal... interesting article about what a hyperprocessed diet does to other animals... then a switch back to a so call "healthy" diet..
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.inverse.com/amp/article/51379-uncle-fat-macaque-monkey-thailand&ved=2ahUKEwiP9K7vl6_iAhWhq1kKHWDoCE0QFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw34THxY1sjnkn_Cigm07wFx&cf=1
But was the important variable that changed "types of foods" or "ease of access to extra food"? If after capture he had instead been fed a controlled diet of yummy processed macaque kibble, would he have still lost weight and improved health? If the people-food his minions were handing him all day were less processed: raw nuts and seeds, avocado wedges, super-sweet grapes, roasted potatoes covered in extra-virgin olive oil... would he still have gotten fat? 6 -
psychod787 wrote: »While anecdotal... interesting article about what a hyperprocessed diet does to other animals... then a switch back to a so call "healthy" diet..
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.inverse.com/amp/article/51379-uncle-fat-macaque-monkey-thailand&ved=2ahUKEwiP9K7vl6_iAhWhq1kKHWDoCE0QFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw34THxY1sjnkn_Cigm07wFx&cf=1
But was the important variable that changed "types of foods" or "ease of access to extra food"? If after capture he had instead been fed a controlled diet of yummy processed macaque kibble, would he have still lost weight and improved health? If the people-food his minions were handing him all day were less processed: raw nuts and seeds, avocado wedges, super-sweet grapes, roasted potatoes covered in extra-virgin olive oil... would he still have gotten fat?
Who knows? If you have a monkey, we can do this experiment! Lol 🤣0 -
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Someone mentioned the NOVA food classifications. I was curious, and found this:
https://archive.wphna.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/WN-2016-7-1-3-28-38-Monteiro-Cannon-Levy-et-al-NOVA.pdf1 -
SeattleBebop1 wrote: »Someone mentioned the NOVA food classifications. I was curious, and found this:
https://archive.wphna.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/WN-2016-7-1-3-28-38-Monteiro-Cannon-Levy-et-al-NOVA.pdfSeattleBebop1 wrote: »Someone mentioned the NOVA food classifications. I was curious, and found this:
https://archive.wphna.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/WN-2016-7-1-3-28-38-Monteiro-Cannon-Levy-et-al-NOVA.pdf
@SeattleBebop1 thanks for sharing. I did not realize how the ultra processed foods and drinks makes up so much of the Standard American Diet (SAD) and now better understand the why behind the health failures of today that was not all that common 50+ years ago.12 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »SeattleBebop1 wrote: »Someone mentioned the NOVA food classifications. I was curious, and found this:
https://archive.wphna.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/WN-2016-7-1-3-28-38-Monteiro-Cannon-Levy-et-al-NOVA.pdfSeattleBebop1 wrote: »Someone mentioned the NOVA food classifications. I was curious, and found this:
https://archive.wphna.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/WN-2016-7-1-3-28-38-Monteiro-Cannon-Levy-et-al-NOVA.pdf
@SeattleBebop1 thanks for sharing. I did not realize how the ultra processed foods and drinks makes up so much of the Standard American Diet (SAD) and now better understand the why behind the health failures of today that was not all that common 50+ years ago.
I think it's far more involved than the SAD, now vs then. We had plenty of ultra processed food in the 70s/80s. What was less common was the sit down order with a click society we have today. Granted additives have likely changed quite a bit as well as their volume of use in highly processed foods, but any scenario (JMHO) that simply blames food for poor health without considering how active or inactive the population is overall is missing a much larger piece of the puzzle.12 -
What strikes me right away when I compare the two groups is the amount of food given in the whole meals group. The time it would take, the amount of chewing involved with those food items. I am exhausted just looking at it especially that dinner and would definitely give up before I would come close to the calorie amount of the processed group. If it were me I'd probably eat a bit more if given the processed but burn a bit more since I had more time to move vs time spent eating
My home made Thai beef salad (which I love) includes kale and chewy skirt steak. It takes me a LONG time to eat 400 calories worth of it.2 -
If you eat over your recommended calories per day you will gain weight no matter what the food. With that said processed foods have a lot of weird ingredients/chemicals and should probably be minimized.5
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GaleHawkins wrote: »SeattleBebop1 wrote: »Someone mentioned the NOVA food classifications. I was curious, and found this:
https://archive.wphna.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/WN-2016-7-1-3-28-38-Monteiro-Cannon-Levy-et-al-NOVA.pdfSeattleBebop1 wrote: »Someone mentioned the NOVA food classifications. I was curious, and found this:
https://archive.wphna.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/WN-2016-7-1-3-28-38-Monteiro-Cannon-Levy-et-al-NOVA.pdf
@SeattleBebop1 thanks for sharing. I did not realize how the ultra processed foods and drinks makes up so much of the Standard American Diet (SAD) and now better understand the why behind the health failures of today that was not all that common 50+ years ago.
I think it's far more involved than the SAD, now vs then. We had plenty of ultra processed food in the 70s/80s. What was less common was the sit down order with a click society we have today. Granted additives have likely changed quite a bit as well as their volume of use in highly processed foods, but any scenario (JMHO) that simply blames food for poor health without considering how active or inactive the population is overall is missing a much larger piece of the puzzle.
It sure is more involved now with kids breakfasts coming with Round Up in the box in more and more brands.
Breakfast With a Dose of Roundup?
https://ewg.org/childrenshealth/glyphosateincereal/
But at least the kids are getting a "safe" dose of Round Up we are told. At least the Round Up in beer and wine is going to adults.
https://webmd.com/food-recipes/news/20180815/roundup-chemical-in-your-cereal-what-to-know
"Olga Naidenko, PhD, the Environmental Working Group’s senior science advisor for children’s environmental health, says glyphosate shouldn’t be in food, especially the foods we feed to young children."
OK one bowl of Round Up only causing 1 case of cancer per 1,000,000 is really nothing but what happens 20 years down the road after the same person has eaten 6,000 bowls plus all of the other Round Up containing foods.
The problem is this since 1974 most all countries that use tractors in farming have been using Round Up starting at some point. We are seeing only the tip of the food chain impact today I expect.
https://detoxproject.org/glyphosate/glyphosate-and-roundup-negatively-affect-gut-bacteria/
" In a second review, Samsel and Seneff pointed out that gut bacteria have this pathway and are susceptible to glyphosate toxicity, with the resulting disruptions in gut bacteria potentially impacting human and animal health. In addition, the authors noted glyphosate’s ability to chelate essential nutrient metals [Glyphosate chelates metals], making them unavailable to human and animal consumers. Thus glyphosate could potentially affect health by causing deficiencies of these nutrients.6"
https://mamavation.com/food/pea-protein.html
"Some of the organic pea protein brands’ products came back with higher levels of glyphosate than the conventional brands."
https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/roundup-beer-wine
Active ingredient in Roundup found in 95% of studied beers and wines
The controversial herbicide is everywhere, apparently.
Maybe when I cut out all forms of any grains in Oct 2014 I cut out common sources of Round Up that may be harmful to one's gut microbiome.15 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »SeattleBebop1 wrote: »Someone mentioned the NOVA food classifications. I was curious, and found this:
https://archive.wphna.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/WN-2016-7-1-3-28-38-Monteiro-Cannon-Levy-et-al-NOVA.pdfSeattleBebop1 wrote: »Someone mentioned the NOVA food classifications. I was curious, and found this:
https://archive.wphna.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/WN-2016-7-1-3-28-38-Monteiro-Cannon-Levy-et-al-NOVA.pdf
@SeattleBebop1 thanks for sharing. I did not realize how the ultra processed foods and drinks makes up so much of the Standard American Diet (SAD) and now better understand the why behind the health failures of today that was not all that common 50+ years ago.
I think it's far more involved than the SAD, now vs then. We had plenty of ultra processed food in the 70s/80s. What was less common was the sit down order with a click society we have today. Granted additives have likely changed quite a bit as well as their volume of use in highly processed foods, but any scenario (JMHO) that simply blames food for poor health without considering how active or inactive the population is overall is missing a much larger piece of the puzzle.
It sure is more involved now with kids breakfasts coming with Round Up in the box in more and more brands.
Breakfast With a Dose of Roundup?
https://ewg.org/childrenshealth/glyphosateincereal/
But at least the kids are getting a "safe" dose of Round Up we are told. At least the Round Up in beer and wine is going to adults.
https://webmd.com/food-recipes/news/20180815/roundup-chemical-in-your-cereal-what-to-know
"Olga Naidenko, PhD, the Environmental Working Group’s senior science advisor for children’s environmental health, says glyphosate shouldn’t be in food, especially the foods we feed to young children."
OK one bowl of Round Up only causing 1 case of cancer per 1,000,000 is really nothing but what happens 20 years down the road after the same person has eaten 6,000 bowls plus all of the other Round Up containing foods.
The problem is this since 1974 most all countries that use tractors in farming have been using Round Up starting at some point. We are seeing only the tip of the food chain impact today I expect.
https://detoxproject.org/glyphosate/glyphosate-and-roundup-negatively-affect-gut-bacteria/
" In a second review, Samsel and Seneff pointed out that gut bacteria have this pathway and are susceptible to glyphosate toxicity, with the resulting disruptions in gut bacteria potentially impacting human and animal health. In addition, the authors noted glyphosate’s ability to chelate essential nutrient metals [Glyphosate chelates metals], making them unavailable to human and animal consumers. Thus glyphosate could potentially affect health by causing deficiencies of these nutrients.6"
https://mamavation.com/food/pea-protein.html
"Some of the organic pea protein brands’ products came back with higher levels of glyphosate than the conventional brands."
https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/roundup-beer-wine
Active ingredient in Roundup found in 95% of studied beers and wines
The controversial herbicide is everywhere, apparently.
Maybe when I cut out all forms of any grains in Oct 2014 I cut out common sources of Round Up that may be harmful to one's gut microbiome.
It must suck having to completely exclude so many delicious foods from your life because of paranoia and fear. If the roundup doesn't give you cancer, we will all most certainly become obese, and be turned into carb and sugar addicts, right?
Or, instead of going to extremes based on fear mongering, people can actually enjoy what they like, but in moderation. Throw in some exercise and a conscious effort to try to make healthy decisions, and I would say the person that is better off is the one who doesn't need to completely exclude anything.
I used to be afraid of roller coasters that went upside down when I was a kid. I was afraid because there is a chance that I could fall out. Eventually, I overcame this fear, and last summer my six year old daughter(yes, she was tall enough. She is extremely tall for her age, probably because of a well rounded diet) joined me on one of the craziest roller coasters I had ever been on. Was I afraid that she would fall out? Sure I was. Although they are extremely rare, accidents do happen. The look on her face when the ride was over was one of the greatest things I have ever seen though, and I am glad I didn't have to miss that moment because of irrational fear.19 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »SeattleBebop1 wrote: »Someone mentioned the NOVA food classifications. I was curious, and found this:
https://archive.wphna.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/WN-2016-7-1-3-28-38-Monteiro-Cannon-Levy-et-al-NOVA.pdfSeattleBebop1 wrote: »Someone mentioned the NOVA food classifications. I was curious, and found this:
https://archive.wphna.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/WN-2016-7-1-3-28-38-Monteiro-Cannon-Levy-et-al-NOVA.pdf
@SeattleBebop1 thanks for sharing. I did not realize how the ultra processed foods and drinks makes up so much of the Standard American Diet (SAD) and now better understand the why behind the health failures of today that was not all that common 50+ years ago.
I think it's far more involved than the SAD, now vs then. We had plenty of ultra processed food in the 70s/80s. What was less common was the sit down order with a click society we have today. Granted additives have likely changed quite a bit as well as their volume of use in highly processed foods, but any scenario (JMHO) that simply blames food for poor health without considering how active or inactive the population is overall is missing a much larger piece of the puzzle.
It sure is more involved now with kids breakfasts coming with Round Up in the box in more and more brands.
Breakfast With a Dose of Roundup?
https://ewg.org/childrenshealth/glyphosateincereal/
But at least the kids are getting a "safe" dose of Round Up we are told. At least the Round Up in beer and wine is going to adults.
https://webmd.com/food-recipes/news/20180815/roundup-chemical-in-your-cereal-what-to-know
"Olga Naidenko, PhD, the Environmental Working Group’s senior science advisor for children’s environmental health, says glyphosate shouldn’t be in food, especially the foods we feed to young children."
OK one bowl of Round Up only causing 1 case of cancer per 1,000,000 is really nothing but what happens 20 years down the road after the same person has eaten 6,000 bowls plus all of the other Round Up containing foods.
The problem is this since 1974 most all countries that use tractors in farming have been using Round Up starting at some point. We are seeing only the tip of the food chain impact today I expect.
https://detoxproject.org/glyphosate/glyphosate-and-roundup-negatively-affect-gut-bacteria/
" In a second review, Samsel and Seneff pointed out that gut bacteria have this pathway and are susceptible to glyphosate toxicity, with the resulting disruptions in gut bacteria potentially impacting human and animal health. In addition, the authors noted glyphosate’s ability to chelate essential nutrient metals [Glyphosate chelates metals], making them unavailable to human and animal consumers. Thus glyphosate could potentially affect health by causing deficiencies of these nutrients.6"
https://mamavation.com/food/pea-protein.html
"Some of the organic pea protein brands’ products came back with higher levels of glyphosate than the conventional brands."
https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/roundup-beer-wine
Active ingredient in Roundup found in 95% of studied beers and wines
The controversial herbicide is everywhere, apparently.
Maybe when I cut out all forms of any grains in Oct 2014 I cut out common sources of Round Up that may be harmful to one's gut microbiome.
You completely dodged what I said and posted a concern that has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.
Are you denying that we as a population are less active today than we were 50 years ago?
Are you conflating toxins in our food with the additives I was referring to? Because the toxins are a whole other discussion.6 -
I think we can all agree -- at least those of us who read the study -- that the results of the study at issue had 0 to do with RoundUp or Monsanto or even "chemicals" in foods.12
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Just looking into the background of that first source: https://www.acsh.org/tags/environmental-working-group6
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GaleHawkins wrote: »Maybe when I cut out all forms of any grains in Oct 2014 I cut out common sources of Round Up that may be harmful to one's gut microbiome.
What do you think the cows that all your McDonalds hamburgers come from eat? They are grain fed...
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I’m sure absolutely no weedkillers are used with any other crop. OH NO WAIT.2
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GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »SeattleBebop1 wrote: »Someone mentioned the NOVA food classifications. I was curious, and found this:
https://archive.wphna.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/WN-2016-7-1-3-28-38-Monteiro-Cannon-Levy-et-al-NOVA.pdfSeattleBebop1 wrote: »Someone mentioned the NOVA food classifications. I was curious, and found this:
https://archive.wphna.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/WN-2016-7-1-3-28-38-Monteiro-Cannon-Levy-et-al-NOVA.pdf
@SeattleBebop1 thanks for sharing. I did not realize how the ultra processed foods and drinks makes up so much of the Standard American Diet (SAD) and now better understand the why behind the health failures of today that was not all that common 50+ years ago.
I think it's far more involved than the SAD, now vs then. We had plenty of ultra processed food in the 70s/80s. What was less common was the sit down order with a click society we have today. Granted additives have likely changed quite a bit as well as their volume of use in highly processed foods, but any scenario (JMHO) that simply blames food for poor health without considering how active or inactive the population is overall is missing a much larger piece of the puzzle.
It sure is more involved now with kids breakfasts coming with Round Up in the box in more and more brands.
Breakfast With a Dose of Roundup?
https://ewg.org/childrenshealth/glyphosateincereal/
But at least the kids are getting a "safe" dose of Round Up we are told. At least the Round Up in beer and wine is going to adults.
https://webmd.com/food-recipes/news/20180815/roundup-chemical-in-your-cereal-what-to-know
"Olga Naidenko, PhD, the Environmental Working Group’s senior science advisor for children’s environmental health, says glyphosate shouldn’t be in food, especially the foods we feed to young children."
OK one bowl of Round Up only causing 1 case of cancer per 1,000,000 is really nothing but what happens 20 years down the road after the same person has eaten 6,000 bowls plus all of the other Round Up containing foods.
The problem is this since 1974 most all countries that use tractors in farming have been using Round Up starting at some point. We are seeing only the tip of the food chain impact today I expect.
https://detoxproject.org/glyphosate/glyphosate-and-roundup-negatively-affect-gut-bacteria/
" In a second review, Samsel and Seneff pointed out that gut bacteria have this pathway and are susceptible to glyphosate toxicity, with the resulting disruptions in gut bacteria potentially impacting human and animal health. In addition, the authors noted glyphosate’s ability to chelate essential nutrient metals [Glyphosate chelates metals], making them unavailable to human and animal consumers. Thus glyphosate could potentially affect health by causing deficiencies of these nutrients.6"
https://mamavation.com/food/pea-protein.html
"Some of the organic pea protein brands’ products came back with higher levels of glyphosate than the conventional brands."
https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/roundup-beer-wine
Active ingredient in Roundup found in 95% of studied beers and wines
The controversial herbicide is everywhere, apparently.
Maybe when I cut out all forms of any grains in Oct 2014 I cut out common sources of Round Up that may be harmful to one's gut microbiome.
I understand the desire to revert to nebulous topics such as gut microbiome. It serves as a new plateau to retreat to when all objective evidence is against you, but this is standing on quicksand.
The root problem is that making statements and implying negative impact when there is little objective evidence to support or reject a hypothesis. Your microbiome is an open system with a limitless number of variables and influences, so any attempt to monitor or influence impact is impossible at our current level of understanding. It will be eternally beyond our understanding as our knowledge is based upon prokaryotic isolation. To understand microbiomes we need to understand syntrophy and how the countless permutations of microbes live and struggle for survival within their biological vessel.11 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »SeattleBebop1 wrote: »Someone mentioned the NOVA food classifications. I was curious, and found this:
https://archive.wphna.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/WN-2016-7-1-3-28-38-Monteiro-Cannon-Levy-et-al-NOVA.pdfSeattleBebop1 wrote: »Someone mentioned the NOVA food classifications. I was curious, and found this:
https://archive.wphna.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/WN-2016-7-1-3-28-38-Monteiro-Cannon-Levy-et-al-NOVA.pdf
@SeattleBebop1 thanks for sharing. I did not realize how the ultra processed foods and drinks makes up so much of the Standard American Diet (SAD) and now better understand the why behind the health failures of today that was not all that common 50+ years ago.
I think it's far more involved than the SAD, now vs then. We had plenty of ultra processed food in the 70s/80s. What was less common was the sit down order with a click society we have today. Granted additives have likely changed quite a bit as well as their volume of use in highly processed foods, but any scenario (JMHO) that simply blames food for poor health without considering how active or inactive the population is overall is missing a much larger piece of the puzzle.
It sure is more involved now with kids breakfasts coming with Round Up in the box in more and more brands.
Breakfast With a Dose of Roundup?
https://ewg.org/childrenshealth/glyphosateincereal/
But at least the kids are getting a "safe" dose of Round Up we are told. At least the Round Up in beer and wine is going to adults.
https://webmd.com/food-recipes/news/20180815/roundup-chemical-in-your-cereal-what-to-know
"Olga Naidenko, PhD, the Environmental Working Group’s senior science advisor for children’s environmental health, says glyphosate shouldn’t be in food, especially the foods we feed to young children."
OK one bowl of Round Up only causing 1 case of cancer per 1,000,000 is really nothing but what happens 20 years down the road after the same person has eaten 6,000 bowls plus all of the other Round Up containing foods.
The problem is this since 1974 most all countries that use tractors in farming have been using Round Up starting at some point. We are seeing only the tip of the food chain impact today I expect.
https://detoxproject.org/glyphosate/glyphosate-and-roundup-negatively-affect-gut-bacteria/
" In a second review, Samsel and Seneff pointed out that gut bacteria have this pathway and are susceptible to glyphosate toxicity, with the resulting disruptions in gut bacteria potentially impacting human and animal health. In addition, the authors noted glyphosate’s ability to chelate essential nutrient metals [Glyphosate chelates metals], making them unavailable to human and animal consumers. Thus glyphosate could potentially affect health by causing deficiencies of these nutrients.6"
https://mamavation.com/food/pea-protein.html
"Some of the organic pea protein brands’ products came back with higher levels of glyphosate than the conventional brands."
https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/roundup-beer-wine
Active ingredient in Roundup found in 95% of studied beers and wines
The controversial herbicide is everywhere, apparently.
Maybe when I cut out all forms of any grains in Oct 2014 I cut out common sources of Round Up that may be harmful to one's gut microbiome.
It must suck having to completely exclude so many delicious foods from your life because of paranoia and fear. If the roundup doesn't give you cancer, we will all most certainly become obese, and be turned into carb and sugar addicts, right?
Or, instead of going to extremes based on fear mongering, people can actually enjoy what they like, but in moderation. Throw in some exercise and a conscious effort to try to make healthy decisions, and I would say the person that is better off is the one who doesn't need to completely exclude anything.
I used to be afraid of roller coasters that went upside down when I was a kid. I was afraid because there is a chance that I could fall out. Eventually, I overcame this fear, and last summer my six year old daughter(yes, she was tall enough. She is extremely tall for her age, probably because of a well rounded diet) joined me on one of the craziest roller coasters I had ever been on. Was I afraid that she would fall out? Sure I was. Although they are extremely rare, accidents do happen. The look on her face when the ride was over was one of the greatest things I have ever seen though, and I am glad I didn't have to miss that moment because of irrational fear.
Since 2014 there is nothing I can find that sucks about my health giving WOE. You talking about emotionism issues and my post is talking science in processed foods today.11 -
Your post wasn't particularly about processed foods.
McD's burgers ARE processed foods.8 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »SeattleBebop1 wrote: »Someone mentioned the NOVA food classifications. I was curious, and found this:
https://archive.wphna.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/WN-2016-7-1-3-28-38-Monteiro-Cannon-Levy-et-al-NOVA.pdfSeattleBebop1 wrote: »Someone mentioned the NOVA food classifications. I was curious, and found this:
https://archive.wphna.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/WN-2016-7-1-3-28-38-Monteiro-Cannon-Levy-et-al-NOVA.pdf
@SeattleBebop1 thanks for sharing. I did not realize how the ultra processed foods and drinks makes up so much of the Standard American Diet (SAD) and now better understand the why behind the health failures of today that was not all that common 50+ years ago.
I think it's far more involved than the SAD, now vs then. We had plenty of ultra processed food in the 70s/80s. What was less common was the sit down order with a click society we have today. Granted additives have likely changed quite a bit as well as their volume of use in highly processed foods, but any scenario (JMHO) that simply blames food for poor health without considering how active or inactive the population is overall is missing a much larger piece of the puzzle.
It sure is more involved now with kids breakfasts coming with Round Up in the box in more and more brands.
Breakfast With a Dose of Roundup?
https://ewg.org/childrenshealth/glyphosateincereal/
But at least the kids are getting a "safe" dose of Round Up we are told. At least the Round Up in beer and wine is going to adults.
https://webmd.com/food-recipes/news/20180815/roundup-chemical-in-your-cereal-what-to-know
"Olga Naidenko, PhD, the Environmental Working Group’s senior science advisor for children’s environmental health, says glyphosate shouldn’t be in food, especially the foods we feed to young children."
OK one bowl of Round Up only causing 1 case of cancer per 1,000,000 is really nothing but what happens 20 years down the road after the same person has eaten 6,000 bowls plus all of the other Round Up containing foods.
The problem is this since 1974 most all countries that use tractors in farming have been using Round Up starting at some point. We are seeing only the tip of the food chain impact today I expect.
https://detoxproject.org/glyphosate/glyphosate-and-roundup-negatively-affect-gut-bacteria/
" In a second review, Samsel and Seneff pointed out that gut bacteria have this pathway and are susceptible to glyphosate toxicity, with the resulting disruptions in gut bacteria potentially impacting human and animal health. In addition, the authors noted glyphosate’s ability to chelate essential nutrient metals [Glyphosate chelates metals], making them unavailable to human and animal consumers. Thus glyphosate could potentially affect health by causing deficiencies of these nutrients.6"
https://mamavation.com/food/pea-protein.html
"Some of the organic pea protein brands’ products came back with higher levels of glyphosate than the conventional brands."
https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/roundup-beer-wine
Active ingredient in Roundup found in 95% of studied beers and wines
The controversial herbicide is everywhere, apparently.
Maybe when I cut out all forms of any grains in Oct 2014 I cut out common sources of Round Up that may be harmful to one's gut microbiome.
You completely dodged what I said and posted a concern that has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.
Are you denying that we as a population are less active today than we were 50 years ago?
Are you conflating toxins in our food with the additives I was referring to? Because the toxins are a whole other discussion.
I was replying to the Processed foods cause more weight gain thread. Toxins that may harm our gut microbiome may be one reason process foods can cause more weight was my point.11
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