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The most polarizing food: where do you stand?
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I'll get burnt for this I'm sure but I really don't see the point in making crap like this for human consumption. Don't we have enough 'proper' food - and crap - already? Just seems a waste of raw materials, packaging, shipping, labelling, buying and eventually excreting. (Similar to those cheap 99p plastic toys that break as you unwrap them - they're not fit for intended purpose so why make then in the first place - oh right, money - of course!!)
Sorry - rant over.10 -
LOVE Nutella. Or chocolate hazelnut anything. I do find it funny how it's marketed as a hazelnut "spread", when it is really more fosting like. But I can put it on most anything- toast, pancakes, french toast, bananas- combined with peanut butter. Mmmmm.
Have brussels sprouts been mentioned? LOVE that bitter green flavor, roasted, salted, and buttered-yum.
Blue Cheese- Used to hate but tastes are evolving though, and I am beginning to find it tolerable. Enjoyable even.
I think Candy corn was mentioned. -Meh- One handful a year is good enough for me.
Peanut butter- I quite like it. I go through PB kicks where I want it a lot. Other times it's just OK. Almond butter now- I almost prefer it's flavor. But it's a bit pricey so I only buy it as a splurge.
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Go Woo yourself!
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SuzySunshine99 wrote: »DanSanthomes wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »marylevin1 wrote: »Those are not even food
What are they then????
They are not particularly to my taste but of course they are food.
Food
noun
any 'nutritious' substance that people or animals eat or drink or that plants absorb in order to maintain life and growth.
So NOT food :-)
Ha. I mean....you technically COULD eat just those cookies and maintain life. You wouldn't feel so good, but you wouldn't starve to death either. And there are bound to be SOME nutrients in there....a little vitamin A and iron maybe?
Are you sure?1 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »DanSanthomes wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »marylevin1 wrote: »Those are not even food
What are they then????
They are not particularly to my taste but of course they are food.
Food
noun
any 'nutritious' substance that people or animals eat or drink or that plants absorb in order to maintain life and growth.
So NOT food :-)
Ha. I mean....you technically COULD eat just those cookies and maintain life. You wouldn't feel so good, but you wouldn't starve to death either. And there are bound to be SOME nutrients in there....a little vitamin A and iron maybe?
Yup. if the body is absorbing something from the product that it can use, then it is a food, and in the case of cookies, it is at least getting a shot of glucose and carbs and fats. Of course, no one is arguing that its "good" food, as in containing other things that the body needs included as well, such as vitamins, minerals, fiber, etc, and no one is arguing that living on them alone will help maintain a persons health seeing as our bodies need those other items as well for overall health, but they are still food. In truth, so are fast food items and things typically advertised as "junk" - they are still real food as in you can sustain life living on a diet of nothing but those items (and there are a ton of people in this world who do). Not saying that your over all health is going to be all that great, but function of the body can be maintained.....3 -
I eat a little food (and yes, I'll call it food) almost every day that has little nutritional value (or it has nutritive value that I have already met for the day so I don't need it) but I enjoy eating it. To me, there is value in that. I see no reason to pursue a diet focused 100% on physical necessity.
We all do lots of things in life that are technically not necessary for our physical success. For some people, that includes enjoying a commercially produced sugar cookie.
Personally, I'd take a couple of Oreos over one of these, but I'm not gonna judge
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corinasue1143 wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »DanSanthomes wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »marylevin1 wrote: »Those are not even food
What are they then????
They are not particularly to my taste but of course they are food.
Food
noun
any 'nutritious' substance that people or animals eat or drink or that plants absorb in order to maintain life and growth.
So NOT food :-)
Ha. I mean....you technically COULD eat just those cookies and maintain life. You wouldn't feel so good, but you wouldn't starve to death either. And there are bound to be SOME nutrients in there....a little vitamin A and iron maybe?
Are you sure?
About which part? Yeah, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't die if you ate nothing but these cookies. You might be malnourished, but it wouldn't kill you.
Looking at the ingredients, they contain eggs and milk, so some calcium and protein (obviously not enough, but it's there). They contain wheat flour, which has some iron (again, not enough).
I'm not endorsing an all-cookie diet, just pointing out that it DOES qualify as food, as you could sustain life with it...not that you'd want to.5 -
paperpudding wrote: »marylevin1 wrote: »Those are not even food
What are they then????
They are not particularly to my taste but of course they are food.
Frisbee alternatives.3 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »marylevin1 wrote: »Those are not even food
What are they then????
They are not particularly to my taste but of course they are food.
Frisbee alternatives.
Just because they aren't an Oreo... 0 -
The problem with these pink and white hockey pucks is not that they aren't nutritious.
It's that they are tasteless discs of dry sadness.5 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »marylevin1 wrote: »Those are not even food
What are they then????
They are not particularly to my taste but of course they are food.
Frisbee alternatives.
Just because they aren't an Oreo...
lol
I don't care for icing/frosting on cookies. I'll enjoy the occasional sugar cookie but I prefer them warm and without icing.
If I have the option of a peanut butter cookie or chocolate chip, the sugar cookie will not cross my lips.0 -
DanSanthomes wrote: »I'll get burnt for this I'm sure but I really don't see the point in making crap like this for human consumption. Don't we have enough 'proper' food - and crap - already? Just seems a waste of raw materials, packaging, shipping, labelling, buying and eventually excreting. (Similar to those cheap 99p plastic toys that break as you unwrap them - they're not fit for intended purpose so why make then in the first place - oh right, money - of course!!)
Sorry - rant over.
They make these cookies because what else would Karen bring to the office snack party?4 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »marylevin1 wrote: »Those are not even food
What are they then????
They are not particularly to my taste but of course they are food.
Frisbee alternatives.
Just because they aren't an Oreo...
lol
I don't care for icing/frosting on cookies. I'll enjoy the occasional sugar cookie but I prefer them warm and without icing.
If I have the option of a peanut butter cookie or chocolate chip, the sugar cookie will not cross my lips.
That denatured dollar-store toothpaste they put between the Oreo's brown fiberboard discs . . . I agree that it's not frosting. 4 -
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Carlos_421 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »marylevin1 wrote: »Those are not even food
What are they then????
They are not particularly to my taste but of course they are food.
Frisbee alternatives.
Just because they aren't an Oreo...
lol
I don't care for icing/frosting on cookies. I'll enjoy the occasional sugar cookie but I prefer them warm and without icing.
If I have the option of a peanut butter cookie or chocolate chip, the sugar cookie will not cross my lips.
That denatured dollar-store toothpaste they put between the Oreo's brown fiberboard discs . . . I agree that it's not frosting.
I WISH they made toothpaste that tastes like the cream filling of an Oreo.
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DanSanthomes wrote: »I'll get burnt for this I'm sure but I really don't see the point in making crap like this for human consumption. Don't we have enough 'proper' food - and crap - already? Just seems a waste of raw materials, packaging, shipping, labelling, buying and eventually excreting. (Similar to those cheap 99p plastic toys that break as you unwrap them - they're not fit for intended purpose so why make then in the first place - oh right, money - of course!!)
Sorry - rant over.
I guess the point is that some people like them?
I mean, they wouldn't keep making them if people didn't buy them and presumably people buy them because they like them - or at least prefer them to other products of similar availability/ cost.
They are not particularly to my taste but just seems food snobbery to rant about a food just because you personally don't like it.
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paperpudding wrote: »
They are not particularly to my taste but just seems food snobbery to rant about a food just because you personally don't like it.
Ha ha - I've never been accused of snobbery before :-)
I wouldn't know if they're to my taste as I don't even need to try them to know that they're just crap. This is my point - can't we go back to making edible food again? Why do we have to keep titillating the taste buds with more and more manufactured goop? Because - money. And people buy them because they're bored. They're bored because they think that every single meal needs to be a taste sensation, an explosion of wonder. It doesn't. At the end of the day, it's just fuel. And therein lies the whole problem with over eating. We've forgotten that it's simply 'gas' to keep the engine running. I like food. I like flavour. I don't like eating some kids chemistry experiment though, sorry.
*In case you can't tell, I feel quite strongly about this subject. (I have kids and see the row upon row of bright shiny objects masquerading as food and understand, from experience, the battle to maintain balance in their - and my own - diet). If there was less crap like this on the shelves, maybe there'd be more room for food - is my point.
To each their own. I actually like the human race and would prefer it if we'd stop trying to kill each other, one way or another...9 -
I understand the WOO 'system' so can the phantom woo-er please explain what part of what i'm saying is 'pseudoscience/snake oil/fad diet' etc. so I can alter my viewpoint if necessary.2
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DanSanthomes wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »
They are not particularly to my taste but just seems food snobbery to rant about a food just because you personally don't like it.
Ha ha - I've never been accused of snobbery before :-)
I wouldn't know if they're to my taste as I don't even need to try them to know that they're just crap. This is my point - can't we go back to making edible food again? Why do we have to keep titillating the taste buds with more and more manufactured goop? Because - money. And people buy them because they're bored. They're bored because they think that every single meal needs to be a taste sensation, an explosion of wonder. It doesn't. At the end of the day, it's just fuel. And therein lies the whole problem with over eating. We've forgotten that it's simply 'gas' to keep the engine running. I like food. I like flavour. I don't like eating some kids chemistry experiment though, sorry.
*In case you can't tell, I feel quite strongly about this subject. (I have kids and see the row upon row of bright shiny objects masquerading as food and understand, from experience, the battle to maintain balance in their - and my own - diet). If there was less crap like this on the shelves, maybe there'd be more room for food - is my point.
To each their own. I actually like the human race and would prefer it if we'd stop trying to kill each other, one way or another...
I'm probably a food snob, doesn't bother me. I don't like these cookies, and would greatly prefer a homemade cookie. But from a nutritional perspective, they are pretty much the same -- they have nutrients in the sense that we need calories and they have carbs that provide energy, fat (including from eggs and butter, at least with my cookies), and minor amounts of various micros, as noted above.
But it seems absurd to me to call a homemade cookie "not food." It's made with the same basic ingredients that you can use to make a bunch of other food items (flour = bread, pasta, etc.). Pretending like dessert items aren't food at all is just an unjustified rhetorical move.
Now I get you are arguing that there's some distinction between a homemade cookie and cookies sold in grocery stores (or these cookies specifically, dunno), but I don't think that's a supportable claim if we are talking about nutrition (i.e., what is food). And I'm not sure on what basis you can say that these are not "edible" without even trying them and simultaneously complain that too many people are inclined to overeat them (which suggests the issue is that some find them plenty edible).
Is it that they are colorful? That's hardly unique to store-bought baked goods. I am usually more of a pie person, but a few years ago I made some lemon-lavendar cupcakes (something like this, except mine had some lavendar in the cupcakes themselves: https://thecakeblog.com/2017/02/lemon-lavender-cupcakes.html). They were pretty and colorful like those show (less frosting because I don't like the frosting to cake ratio to be so high). That did not change the fact that they were food. Not food I'd recommend having as too high a proportion of one's diet, because they are high cal and lower in nutrients, but food all the same.6 -
Favorite Cookie (most won't get this)
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@theroaddog Nope, you're right - I don't get it, and I usually pick up on things from a generation or two behind me (I was never up on the pop culture of my own time, anyway). So what's the reference?0
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But it seems absurd to me to call a homemade cookie "not food." It's made with the same basic ingredients that you can use to make a bunch of other food items (flour = bread, pasta, etc.). Pretending like dessert items aren't food at all is just an unjustified rhetorical move.
Now I get you are arguing that there's some distinction between a homemade cookie and cookies sold in grocery stores (or these cookies specifically, dunno), but I don't think that's a supportable claim if we are talking about nutrition (i.e., what is food). And I'm not sure on what basis you can say that these are not "edible" without even trying them and simultaneously complain that too many people are inclined to overeat them (which suggests the issue is that some find them plenty edible).
Is it that they are colorful? That's hardly unique to store-bought baked goods. I am usually more of a pie person, but a few years ago I made some lemon-lavendar cupcakes (something like this, except mine had some lavendar in the cupcakes themselves: https://thecakeblog.com/2017/02/lemon-lavender-cupcakes.html). They were pretty and colorful like those show (less frosting because I don't like the frosting to cake ratio to be so high). That did not change the fact that they were food. Not food I'd recommend having as too high a proportion of one's diet, because they are high cal and lower in nutrients, but food all the same.
Sorry Lemurcat,
Was talking about those shocking manufactured cookies from previous page that set everybody off. Opinion seemed to be that they were gross so I asked the question, in essence, "Why do we make crap like this?". *If you make your own cookies, and therefore know what's in them, all power to you.
Nothing to do with colour either - I'm not cakeist. (Nothing better than a plate full of foods in different colours).
To explain my stance a little. I'm from the UK and over here we have an unhealthy Office Cake Culture whereby it seems every day there's a different excuse to bring in even more brightly coloured 'baubles' to tempt our tastebuds. Nowhere more does this seem to be a thing than our glorious NHS (National Health Service) where I worked some years ago. As a noob there I watched as each day a new 'treat' was brought in for us all to try - each one seemingly more outlandish and less food-looking than the last. The sad thing was, I was surrounded by overweight people on constant diets who eventually caved and had a bite then felt pressured to bring something else in the next day. Never in my 30+ years working in offices had I seen such an array of garbage 'food' - and the effects of it. So please pardon me if this item was a particularly 'polarizing' food. :-)
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DanSanthomes wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »
They are not particularly to my taste but just seems food snobbery to rant about a food just because you personally don't like it.
Ha ha - I've never been accused of snobbery before :-)
I wouldn't know if they're to my taste as I don't even need to try them to know that they're just crap. This is my point - can't we go back to making edible food again? Why do we have to keep titillating the taste buds with more and more manufactured goop? Because - money. And people buy them because they're bored. They're bored because they think that every single meal needs to be a taste sensation, an explosion of wonder. It doesn't. At the end of the day, it's just fuel. And therein lies the whole problem with over eating. We've forgotten that it's simply 'gas' to keep the engine running. I like food. I like flavour. I don't like eating some kids chemistry experiment though, sorry.
*In case you can't tell, I feel quite strongly about this subject. (I have kids and see the row upon row of bright shiny objects masquerading as food and understand, from experience, the battle to maintain balance in their - and my own - diet). If there was less crap like this on the shelves, maybe there'd be more room for food - is my point.
To each their own. I actually like the human race and would prefer it if we'd stop trying to kill each other, one way or another...
This seems a contraindication to me - you complain that the problem with over eating is that these inedible things are eaten too much.
And you decide that other people buy them because they are bored and think every single meal needs to be a taste sensation??
What nonsense.
You are sounding like a ridiculous zealot now.
You don't know other people's motives at all.
More likely they buy them because they like them - and nothing wrong with that. I buy plenty of things because I like them.
And because I calorie count, I make sure not to over eat.
If I liked these, they could well be part of a balanced diet within my calorie allowance.
The problem with overeating is over consumption, not things 'masquerading as food'
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DanSanthomes wrote: »I understand the WOO 'system' so can the phantom woo-er please explain what part of what i'm saying is 'pseudoscience/snake oil/fad diet' etc. so I can alter my viewpoint if necessary.
I didn't woo it - but I imagine it is on account of the over zealous hyperbole.
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TheRoadDog wrote: »Favorite Cookie (most won't get this)
I didn't at first. I wanted to. I felt I should. Had to move on to get it.
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The problem with overeating is over consumption OF things 'masquerading as food' FIFY
Hey, it's polarising, nothing wrong with a bit of zealotry!
Paperpudding - you are not 'the norm' though are you? If this 'crap' is in the food aisle, then people naturally assume that they are nutritional items. If they weren't there, people might I don't know, buy a pepper? Or a carrot. I may be being facetious but I do think there's such a thing as too much choice with this garbage.
Like I say, it's close to my heart so I get heated about it. I saw too many people spinning wheels in their attempts to lose weight. Why can't they make donuts with a perfect Macro split???
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"garbage", "crap", "manufactured goop", "kids chemistry experiment".
I definitely see the snobbery.
IMO, there's some kind of nutritional benefit in all foods. Even if it's minimal.
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TheRoadDog wrote: »Favorite Cookie (most won't get this)
FWIW, I got it immediately. But I'm old, too.
For you confused young whippersnappers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT9QZBGyXjU 2 -
DanSanthomes wrote: »The problem with overeating is over consumption OF things 'masquerading as food' FIFY
Hey, it's polarising, nothing wrong with a bit of zealotry!
Paperpudding - you are not 'the norm' though are you? If this 'crap' is in the food aisle, then people naturally assume that they are nutritional items. If they weren't there, people might I don't know, buy a pepper? Or a carrot. I may be being facetious but I do think there's such a thing as too much choice with this garbage.
Like I say, it's close to my heart so I get heated about it. I saw too many people spinning wheels in their attempts to lose weight. Why can't they make donuts with a perfect Macro split???
The reason these things are in the food aisles is that they are food. They are food with a high calorie density and fewer micronutrients than other options, but fundamentally they are digested and utilised by the body. There is no reason why someone who likes them shouldn't eat them, as long as they fit into their overall dietary needs.
If I want a biscuit, and the supermarket doesn't have the biscuits I want, I am not going to buy a carrot instead. Eating carrots instead of the food I actually want is fundamentally unsatisfying and one of the things that led to my disordered eating patterns. However, I buy and eat carrots and other fruits and vegetables as well. This really isn't an either/or situation.9
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