Atkins? Anyone?? Am I the only one doing this?I feel alone.

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  • SouLThinking
    SouLThinking Posts: 308 Member
    What? What does the amount of calories you are eating have to do with what you would eat??? You just have smaller portions, or larger portions. You eat clean food. Oatmeal, Whole wheat bread, Tuna sandwiches, turkey sandwiches, cottage cheese, eggs. anything you want.
    You act like it is crazy to think that a person eats 60% carbs, let me remind you that you are the minority here, most people would not find eating 30% carbohydrates enjoyable.

    First of all :) I never once put down your way of eating. I only said that the way I eat isn't wrong. I asked you for a sample of a menu out of curiosity. The funniest part of this whole debate is that you just posted my menu. Do you know anything about Atkins or only what you've heard? It is 4 phases. The only phase that is limited drastically is the induction phase. That is 2 weeks long. Then you gradually add back the "healthy carbs" That YOU Mentioned in small increments to find your level of carb tolerance while still losing. I asked you about the 1400 cal diet because I wanted to know that if I am eating 10 to 15% carbs ..and it's exactly the same carbs you mentioned..whats wrong with what I am eating. I didn't say they way you eat is unhealthy ..when did I say that?? I said mine isn't. Eating plans work for the individual..not everyone. I was diabetic...I am no longer diabetic. My Dr said to cut carbs to 10 to 15%. period. It worked for me like your plan works for you..so whats wrong with it??
  • questionablemethods
    questionablemethods Posts: 2,174 Member
    Please explain to me what is unhealthy about eating the way I do?

    I don't believe she ever said that. But there are no "magic" ratios that work for everyone. Some people do much much better on lower carbohydrate diets.

    I also think it is very simplistic to act as though sheer macronutrient breakdown is the sole way of defining a balanced diet. (That's how you responded to the question -- with just macro percentages.) I could hit those targets eating pure processed junk or I could eat whole foods. Quality counts. I would venture to say that it counts more than some golden macro ratios.
  • idwoof
    idwoof Posts: 76
    I have said numerous times throughout this that I have no problem with the Atkins diet, the most important thing is that people lose wieght. But everyone got their feelings hurt because someone disaggreed with them and stopped reading what I was writing and just got defensive.
    From what I have read from the other posters is that even in the final phase you are still restricting carbs, and I just find that hard to sustain for a lifestyle.
  • SouLThinking
    SouLThinking Posts: 308 Member
    Please explain to me what is unhealthy about eating the way I do?

    I don't believe she ever said that. But there are no "magic" ratios that work for everyone. Some people do much much better on lower carbohydrate diets.

    I also think it is very simplistic to act as though sheer macronutrient breakdown is the sole way of defining a balanced diet. (That's how you responded to the question -- with just macro percentages.) I could hit those targets eating pure processed junk or I could eat whole foods. Quality counts. I would venture to say that it counts more than some golden macro ratios.

    Exactly..It's "Your Mileage may vary"
    There is no 100% right diet for EVERYONE..but one thing I can say is with every healthy eating plan you have to have limits. If it works than how could it be wrong. I never once put another plan down. ..oh I'm sorry but I don't believe the 1800 cal little debbie plan could be good for anyone no matter how much you lose LOL.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    For diabetics and pre-diabetics (like me), the ADA (American Diabetes Association) recommends no more than 130 grams of carbs per day. At the calorie level recommended for me here by MFP, that works out to a little over 25% for carbs, not the 60% recommended by MFP and the FDA. If I stuck to the "balanced" default of 60% from carbs, I'd be in more trouble than I already am.

    Blanket statements can't be made without considering individual circumstances.

    Yes, exactly. Any mass recommendations naturally would not be for those with disease. The FDA and USDA sets guidelines for an average healthy adult American. When you consider how many Americans there are, you should be able to easily see why they call them "guidelines' and not rules. If you have a disease, condition, syndrome, etc. that makes you not "an average healthy adult American" then you should talk to your doctor about what is healthy for you. How could there possibly be a "one size fits all" diet for all Americans?
  • SouLThinking
    SouLThinking Posts: 308 Member
    I have said numerous times throughout this that I have no problem with the Atkins diet, the most important thing is that people lose wieght. But everyone got their feelings hurt because someone disaggreed with them and stopped reading what I was writing and just got defensive.
    From what I have read from the other posters is that even in the final phase you are still restricting carbs, and I just find that hard to sustain for a lifestyle.

    Ok, I am eating what your eating I am just not eating as much as you do. So, what's wrong with the way I eat. You said in a previous post that I am not eating a balanced diet. Explain that. What is unbalanced about eating Whole grains, lean meats, and good fats. What is wrong with fruits? I am off 7 meds. I have sustained 86 lb weight loss. I need to know why you said in a previous post that is still on this board ..that my 135 to 150 gm carbs per day eating is not "balanced". My feelings are not "hurt" LOL I'm smiling..you can' t see it I realize that. I am a analytical thinker and want to understand ..your point of view as to why you said to me..my eating plan is unhealthy or unbalanced...when I never said that about yours.
  • idwoof
    idwoof Posts: 76
    Please explain to me what is unhealthy about eating the way I do?

    I don't believe she ever said that. But there are no "magic" ratios that work for everyone. Some people do much much better on lower carbohydrate diets.

    I also think it is very simplistic to act as though sheer macronutrient breakdown is the sole way of defining a balanced diet. (That's how you responded to the question -- with just macro percentages.) I could hit those targets eating pure processed junk or I could eat whole foods. Quality counts. I would venture to say that it counts more than some golden macro ratios.

    Exactly..It's "Your Mileage may vary"
    There is no 100% right diet for EVERYONE..but one thing I can say is with every healthy eating plan you have to have limits. If it works than how could it be wrong. I never once put another plan down. ..oh I'm sorry but I don't believe the 1800 cal little debbie plan could be good for anyone no matter how much you lose LOL.

    Well I disagree. The twinkie diet??? The man who did it got quite a bit healthier. Read this article. Its funny that you say little debbies because he included those in his diet.

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html
  • questionablemethods
    questionablemethods Posts: 2,174 Member
    Please explain to me what is unhealthy about eating the way I do?

    I don't believe she ever said that. But there are no "magic" ratios that work for everyone. Some people do much much better on lower carbohydrate diets.

    I also think it is very simplistic to act as though sheer macronutrient breakdown is the sole way of defining a balanced diet. (That's how you responded to the question -- with just macro percentages.) I could hit those targets eating pure processed junk or I could eat whole foods. Quality counts. I would venture to say that it counts more than some golden macro ratios.

    Exactly..It's "Your Mileage may vary"
    There is no 100% right diet for EVERYONE..but one thing I can say is with every healthy eating plan you have to have limits. If it works than how could it be wrong. I never once put another plan down. ..oh I'm sorry but I don't believe the 1800 cal little debbie plan could be good for anyone no matter how much you lose LOL.

    Well I disagree. The twinkie diet??? The man who did it got quite a bit healthier. Read this article. Its funny that you say little debbies because he included those in his diet.

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html

    Losing weight by calorie counting (even crap calories) is one thing (and yes, I know that his biomarkers improved, as they often do with weight loss). I'd like to see him in 20 years if that is how he eats.

    If Twinkies are good for us, then why did you only cite so-called "clean" foods earlier? Clearly you are making some quality choices.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    Please explain to me what is unhealthy about eating the way I do?

    I don't believe she ever said that. But there are no "magic" ratios that work for everyone. Some people do much much better on lower carbohydrate diets.

    I also think it is very simplistic to act as though sheer macronutrient breakdown is the sole way of defining a balanced diet. (That's how you responded to the question -- with just macro percentages.) I could hit those targets eating pure processed junk or I could eat whole foods. Quality counts. I would venture to say that it counts more than some golden macro ratios.

    Exactly..It's "Your Mileage may vary"
    There is no 100% right diet for EVERYONE..but one thing I can say is with every healthy eating plan you have to have limits. If it works than how could it be wrong. I never once put another plan down. ..oh I'm sorry but I don't believe the 1800 cal little debbie plan could be good for anyone no matter how much you lose LOL.

    Well I disagree. The twinkie diet??? The man who did it got quite a bit healthier. Read this article. Its funny that you say little debbies because he included those in his diet.

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html

    Some people smoke and live to a ripe old age. That doesn't make smoking good for you.
  • SouLThinking
    SouLThinking Posts: 308 Member
    Please explain to me what is unhealthy about eating the way I do?

    I don't believe she ever said that. But there are no "magic" ratios that work for everyone. Some people do much much better on lower carbohydrate diets.

    I also think it is very simplistic to act as though sheer macronutrient breakdown is the sole way of defining a balanced diet. (That's how you responded to the question -- with just macro percentages.) I could hit those targets eating pure processed junk or I could eat whole foods. Quality counts. I would venture to say that it counts more than some golden macro ratios.

    Exactly..It's "Your Mileage may vary"
    There is no 100% right diet for EVERYONE..but one thing I can say is with every healthy eating plan you have to have limits. If it works than how could it be wrong. I never once put another plan down. ..oh I'm sorry but I don't believe the 1800 cal little debbie plan could be good for anyone no matter how much you lose LOL.

    Well I disagree. The twinkie diet??? The man who did it got quite a bit healthier. Read this article. Its funny that you say little debbies because he included those in his diet.

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html

    since I can't see you or hear your tone I have to ask are you serious? LOL, because what he ate definitely isn't the percentages you posted earlier that were the only balanced diet out there. LOL If you have already replied sorry. But also if you haven't are you changing the subject or are you going to reply to my question about my eating plan?

    OH and just in case you've changed your mind about your earlier post with the percentages and your saying his way of eating with the twinkie diet is balanced...do you think he'll gain it back when he "goes off" the diet.

    OH and you do realize that if you do Atkins the correct way it's for life. You don't go off or you just did that on your own.
    Please take the time to think about what you said you ate everyday and what I eat. And tell me what's unhealthy about what I eat.
  • markoholl
    markoholl Posts: 4
    You are not alone. I'm doing Atkins also. But I'm also watching my calories.
  • idwoof
    idwoof Posts: 76
    What I ultimately had a problem with Atkins was that I can't see people eating that way forever. Just as eating 1500 calories of Twinkies forever wouldn't be very filling and would be hard to maintain a low calorie diet on them. If you are willing to eat the way you do and it works for you then more power to you, but I think you are in the minority. I think most people give up on it.
  • tmkent
    tmkent Posts: 2 Member
    Atkins is a fine wgt management program. I've been on it for about 3 weeks and it is true that after you follow it for 2 weeks on phase 1 you will feel better and you will not be hungry. Just got back from vacation and I lost 2lbs. That has never happended to me before. I could always count on gaining at least 5 lb on vacation. But I wasn't hungry and was very satisfied to continue to follow Atkins. Go for it, I say if it is working for you that's what is important. Follow the book and as you add a few of the good carbs you'll find that you will still lose maybe not as fast but you will lose. Good luck
  • SouLThinking
    SouLThinking Posts: 308 Member
    What I ultimately had a problem with Atkins was that I can't see people eating that way forever. Just as eating 1500 calories of Twinkies forever wouldn't be very filling and would be hard to maintain a low calorie diet on them. If you are willing to eat the way you do and it works for you then more power to you, but I think you are in the minority. I think most people give up on it.

    I understand..I actually agree that if a person tries to eat at the induction level forever...hahahaha good luck it will be hard. But, if you are doing Atkins..your not supposed to stay at the induction level that long. You are supposed to work that ladder. Why because even if you lost all your weight you'd have to maintain and you have to add carbs back in to maintain. So thanks. But also, most people give up on diets period that is why the world is so FAT. right??
  • questionablemethods
    questionablemethods Posts: 2,174 Member
    What I ultimately had a problem with Atkins was that I can't see people eating that way forever. Just as eating 1500 calories of Twinkies forever wouldn't be very filling and would be hard to maintain a low calorie diet on them. If you are willing to eat the way you do and it works for you then more power to you, but I think you are in the minority. I think most people give up on it.

    What you don't seem to be grasping is that as people move through the phases, they might very well end up on a maintenance diet that has the exact macro nutrient breakdown as you stated above! (Though they have likely discovered that certain carbs cause them to crave more while others--like the oatmeal or whatever, do not.)
  • martinah4
    martinah4 Posts: 583 Member
    What I ultimately had a problem with Atkins was that I can't see people eating that way forever. Just as eating 1500 calories of Twinkies forever wouldn't be very filling and would be hard to maintain a low calorie diet on them. If you are willing to eat the way you do and it works for you then more power to you, but I think you are in the minority. I think most people give up on it.

    What you don't seem to be grasping is that as people move through the phases, they might very well end up on a maintenance diet that has the exact macro nutrient breakdown as you stated above! (Though they have likely discovered that certain carbs cause them to crave more while others--like the oatmeal or whatever, do not.)

    No, what he's not grasping is that she eats the exact same foods as him, and he is still saying that she is eating unbalanced and unhealthy, because her diet has "Atkins" in front of it. LOL
  • erinsueburns
    erinsueburns Posts: 865 Member
    I have said numerous times throughout this that I have no problem with the Atkins diet, the most important thing is that people lose wieght. But everyone got their feelings hurt because someone disaggreed with them and stopped reading what I was writing and just got defensive.
    From what I have read from the other posters is that even in the final phase you are still restricting carbs, and I just find that hard to sustain for a lifestyle.

    While you may find it unpleasant or can't imagine limiting yourself to 30% total carbs that just isn't true for everyone. Why is it so difficult for you to understand that it isn't true for everyone. You seem remarkably defensive on this topic. Please listen and accept the fact that people are different. Some people have diabetes and found low serb stabilizes them. This is true and has to do worth the effects of carbs on insulin resistance. And I am willing to bet, though research is limited, that some purple have undiagnosed grain intolerance and allergies and that is why they do so well. A large percentage of the population has various grass and other plant life and seasonal type allergies, and there is a such thing as cross reactive allergies. It isn't common but it is very real. People are just different. If I had to make my guess about you, I would suggest you may be insulin sensitive
  • Grokette
    Grokette Posts: 3,330 Member
    What I ultimately had a problem with Atkins was that I can't see people eating that way forever. Just as eating 1500 calories of Twinkies forever wouldn't be very filling and would be hard to maintain a low calorie diet on them. If you are willing to eat the way you do and it works for you then more power to you, but I think you are in the minority. I think most people give up on it.

    She has been on Atkins for over 9 years! No one can maintain?????????????

    http://www.sugarfreesheila.com/
  • lvmcdonald
    lvmcdonald Posts: 8 Member
    Atkins is awesome, but you have to make sure you monitor your fat intake!!! The old Atkins doesn't care about fat which is ok for males, but NOT females. The first two weeks of no carbs is great, but make sure that you incorporate complex carbs in the am or early afternoon into your diet after slowly. To continue losing weight healthily you want to add complex carbs and low fat after the first two weeks. Optimally in early morning and afternoon. Eat a high protein, low fat diet for evening meals within a few hours before bedtime. Good luck!!! Laura
  • erinsueburns
    erinsueburns Posts: 865 Member
    Atkins is awesome, but you have to make sure you monitor your fat intake!!! The old Atkins doesn't care about fat which is ok for males, but NOT females. The first two weeks of no carbs is great, but make sure that you incorporate complex carbs in the am or early afternoon into your diet after slowly. To continue losing weight healthily you want to add complex carbs and low fat after the first two weeks. Optimally in early morning and afternoon. Eat a high protein, low fat diet for evening meals within a few hours before bedtime. Good luck!!! Laura

    Why on earth would you want to try to do low fat when there are proven benefits to replacing carbs with fats, especially unsaturated fats. Granted many people would not enjoy eating high as fat as I do, but low fat and low carb together would make no sense. Most people really can't do forty percent plus protein.
  • Grokette
    Grokette Posts: 3,330 Member
    Atkins is awesome, but you have to make sure you monitor your fat intake!!! The old Atkins doesn't care about fat which is ok for males, but NOT females. The first two weeks of no carbs is great, but make sure that you incorporate complex carbs in the am or early afternoon into your diet after slowly. To continue losing weight healthily you want to add complex carbs and low fat after the first two weeks. Optimally in early morning and afternoon. Eat a high protein, low fat diet for evening meals within a few hours before bedtime. Good luck!!! Laura

    Why on earth would you want to try to do low fat when there are proven benefits to replacing carbs with fats, especially unsaturated fats. Granted many people would not enjoy eating high as fat as I do, but low fat and low carb together would make no sense. Most people really can't do forty percent plus protein.

    Saturated fats are good for us too.

    I never understood why people want to torture themselves with low fat and low carb..................The whole science behind low carb is to replace the carbs with fats so that you have a feeling of satiety, level out blood sugar and insulin, and fats give you energy.
  • Grokette
    Grokette Posts: 3,330 Member
    Atkins is awesome, but you have to make sure you monitor your fat intake!!! The old Atkins doesn't care about fat which is ok for males, but NOT females. The first two weeks of no carbs is great, but make sure that you incorporate complex carbs in the am or early afternoon into your diet after slowly. To continue losing weight healthily you want to add complex carbs and low fat after the first two weeks. Optimally in early morning and afternoon. Eat a high protein, low fat diet for evening meals within a few hours before bedtime. Good luck!!! Laura

    Actually eating more fat for a female is just as imporant if not more important than it is for a male.

    Adequate fat intake regulates the hormones in the body and gives the feeling of satiety which prevents you from overeating.

    What you are talking about is NOT Atkins in no shape, form or fashion. What you are talking about it some made up plan that should not be even associated with Atkins in the least.

    Too much protein is converted to glucose which can also cause a blood sugar response - not good for someone that is hypo-glycemic, diabetic or insulin resistant.

    Atkins is based on HIGH fat, MODERATE protein and low carb in the beginning with it balancing out to moderate fat, moderate protein and moderate carb intake by the time you reach maintenance phase. Atkins naturally balances out from the high fat, low carb to moderate on fat, carbs and proteins as you move up the carb ladder and start adding in more carbs.
  • erinsueburns
    erinsueburns Posts: 865 Member
    True enough, but too much of even a good thing is bad. And it is very easy to get saturated fats, not so easy to get unsaturated, particularly omega 3. For me, I try to limit saturated fats to 15% or less of total calories, because that is where my cholesterol likes me to be.
  • hsnider29
    hsnider29 Posts: 394 Member
    What? What does the amount of calories you are eating have to do with what you would eat??? You just have smaller portions, or larger portions. You eat clean food. Oatmeal, Whole wheat bread, Tuna sandwiches, turkey sandwiches, cottage cheese, eggs. anything you want.
    You act like it is crazy to think that a person eats 60% carbs, let me remind you that you are the minority here, most people would not find eating 30% carbohydrates enjoyable.

    Dude...you should really research what "clean" food means. Oatmeal=processed, whole wheat bread=processed, deli turkey=waaay processed.
  • idwoof
    idwoof Posts: 76
    What? What does the amount of calories you are eating have to do with what you would eat??? You just have smaller portions, or larger portions. You eat clean food. Oatmeal, Whole wheat bread, Tuna sandwiches, turkey sandwiches, cottage cheese, eggs. anything you want.
    You act like it is crazy to think that a person eats 60% carbs, let me remind you that you are the minority here, most people would not find eating 30% carbohydrates enjoyable.

    Dude...you should really research what "clean" food means. Oatmeal=processed, whole wheat bread=processed, deli turkey=waaay processed.

    Ok, first off. This is not the first time this has happened but why the heck does everyone call me dude? Is it because I'm young? Don't. Don't call me dude. If i called you Girl or chick that would be disrespectful. I don't disrespect you so don't disrespect me.
    Second. Instant oatmeal is proccesed but I dont eat that. Oatmeal isn't as much and nothing is added so the processed doesn't matter. Whole wheat bread, if it is 100% whole wheat and nothing is added then the processing doesn't really matter.
    I'm not going to go vegan, there are so many delicous foods nowadays I think it would be stupid to deprive myself.
    Europeans eat tons of processed foods, but as a whole are much healthier, because they are not overweight. I think that is the most important thing.
    And I think you are mistaken because the majority of people would consider 100% whole wheat bread, and stone cut oatmeal "clean eating"
  • idwoof
    idwoof Posts: 76
    And when did I say anything about Deli Turkey?
  • hsnider29
    hsnider29 Posts: 394 Member
    What? What does the amount of calories you are eating have to do with what you would eat??? You just have smaller portions, or larger portions. You eat clean food. Oatmeal, Whole wheat bread, Tuna sandwiches, turkey sandwiches, cottage cheese, eggs. anything you want.
    You act like it is crazy to think that a person eats 60% carbs, let me remind you that you are the minority here, most people would not find eating 30% carbohydrates enjoyable.

    Dude...you should really research what "clean" food means. Oatmeal=processed, whole wheat bread=processed, deli turkey=waaay processed.

    Did not mean to disrespect you. It was not my intention at all. I actually have no idea how old you are. I think it that if your lifestyle is working for you that is great. I don't think you came on this thread to help the OP. You obviously feel passionately about your macro ratios but for a lot of people, they just don't work.

    Bodybuilding websites are not peer reviewed evidence and hold no water with most people. There are much better sites that you could have recommended. The human body doesn't need grains to survive, I don't care how you dice it. If your saying to eat 60% of your carbs in fruits and veggies, then that I could agree with, but not grains.

    It wouldn't offend me at all if you called me chick or girl. I'm not easily offended, but I do apologize that I offended you.

    Please do more research on a particular diet or lifestyle before giving misinformation or avoid a thread all together if it isn't a way of life you support.

    Ok, first off. This is not the first time this has happened but why the heck does everyone call me dude? Is it because I'm young? Don't. Don't call me dude. If i called you Girl or chick that would be disrespectful. I don't disrespect you so don't disrespect me.
    Second. Instant oatmeal is proccesed but I dont eat that. Oatmeal isn't as much and nothing is added so the processed doesn't matter. Whole wheat bread, if it is 100% whole wheat and nothing is added then the processing doesn't really matter.
    I'm not going to go vegan, there are so many delicous foods nowadays I think it would be stupid to deprive myself.
    Europeans eat tons of processed foods, but as a whole are much healthier, because they are not overweight. I think that is the most important thing.
    And I think you are mistaken because the majority of people would consider 100% whole wheat bread, and stone cut oatmeal "clean eating"
  • hsnider29
    hsnider29 Posts: 394 Member
    Ok I'm not sure how I did that but my response to you is in the middle of what I quoted.
  • FairyMiss
    FairyMiss Posts: 1,812 Member

    . If i called you Girl or chick that would be disrespectful.


    heh personally at my age thi would not offend me but probably thrill me LOL
  • 8rules
    8rules Posts: 169
    She didn't throw misinformed facts. I think it is well documented that a low carb diet is not a healthy lifestyle. It can work for short term dieting.

    http://www.worldfitness.org/low-carb-diet-problems.html
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/lowcarb.htm

    I'm sorry.

    This passes for well documented?

    Opinion editorials?

    And a note to the rest of the atkins bashers.

    I do not do Atkins but it is SOUND.

    Atkins, beyond phase 1 induction which is the first two weeks of the rest of your life is indeed very low carb of any kind. Two weeks is NOT going to hurt anyone.

    Beyond that you steadily increase using REAL carbs, not bogus starch carbs like breads, until you find out the perfect amount for YOU. Each person is taught to experiment and find what is right for them.

    Now, how is that unhealthy? Teaching people to discover the right balance through small changes in diet over time until they reach a healthy, maintainable diet for their individual life?

    Recognize the anti-Atkins propoganda imagery of a lifetime of KFC for what it is, a smear campaign. Atkins would agree that is completely unhealthy!!! Not to mention KFC is battered in starch and is NOT LOW CARB!!!

    The truth and method of it is VERY different. If you end up at 100 grams of carbs a day which many exceed, it ends up being a WHOLE BUNCH of fresh raw vegetables.

    I have, in this entire conversation, not seen one person dump on Atkins that actually seems to understand the goals of Atkins. It is not about eliminating carbs.

    It is about finding the right amount of carbs for your OWN body. You induct, you go to very low carbs for 2 weeks as a STARTING POINT, and work up from there until you find your own personal perfect point. This is a very scientific and reasonable approach to finding what works for YOU.

    Pretty much everyone here in this thread that said they could not do Atkins, did not follow the steps of steady progression of carb levels. In essence, they did not actually follow Atkins, they simply quit Atkins because it sucked at first.
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