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Coronavirus prep
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I stopped at the supermarket on the way home. They were out of cucumbers. Clearly a sign that the end is nigh. Toilet paper was in plentiful supply, and I have added another 18 pack to my cupboard.lynn_glenmont wrote: »
I think some of it is panic by irrational people. I suppose some of it may be people who because they are retired or telecommute or are independently wealthy can plan to just stay home for weeks or even months (which also seems like an overreaction to me).
It's not an over reaction if you're someone more susceptible to complications. I fully intend to hunker down if it comes to it. I would rather over react, than under react. But again, I'm part of the minority that needs to be that bit more cautious.10 -
Toilet paper: Keep in mind that people in the good ol' days used pages from the Sears Roebuck catalog out in the outhouse. Obviously, there's no Sears catalog any more, but if you have the usual supply of National Geographic or whatever in your basement, you're in good shape. Even pages from the zombie apocalypse books will work, in a pinch.
Don't flush it, though: Sewage system clogs are a whole other problem.
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Toilet paper: Keep in mind that people in the good ol' days used pages from the Sears Roebuck catalog out in the outhouse. Obviously, there's no Sears catalog any more, but if you have the usual supply of National Geographic or whatever in your basement, you're in good shape. Even pages from the zombie apocalypse books will work, in a pinch.
Don't flush it, though: Sewage system clogs are a whole other problem.
You can use a squirt-type water bottle to mimic a bidet to take care of cleansing after #1, and save your TP for #2. I sometimes do this when backpacking. It’s refreshing. You can also use all sorts of baby and personal wipes instead of TP (just don’t flush them). But honestly, do we really think the nation is going to run out of TP?
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Panic is not a good idea . Instead cautious awareness.
Wash your hands
Keep your hands away from your face, mouth , nose
Use hand sanitizer
Cough into elbow not hands
Social distance ie skip handshake instead smile and maybe peace sign , give a bit more space
^^This! Thank you.
Peeps, please stay calm. Like someone else noted, being prepared is good, but panicking won't do anyone any good. Peace.5 -
kshama2001 wrote: »
I'm more a fan of apocalypse books (zombies not required), my favorite being "The Stand" by Stephen King. That did indeed start out with flu-like symptoms.
I love The Stand!5 -
cmriverside wrote: »
They CAN test for it, the test gets sent to CDC in Atlanta. Those symptoms sound the same as COVID 19 symptoms are...I do hope they are okay. The cough and fever are the main thing, and having trouble breathing.
In the Seattle area (according to the press conference today) the government labs are up to 200 tests per day, University of WA just today came online to do 200 more, they hope to gear up to a total of 2000 tests daily between the two labs within a couple days. Turnaround time on the test appears to be about one day.
If you want you can go to KOMO News and watch the King County news conference.
We're up to six deaths now.
I saw someone post in another forum that the test is not cheap- like in the area of $2-3000. Anyone know about this? If true, I don't think I'd seek testing for myself or a family member unless they were high-risk.
Edited to add: Just happened to see this as well- https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/02/811314938/coronavirus-testing-what-to-know-as-it-becomes-available-across-the-u-s2 -
We got our first reported case in the country yesterday. We're not really stocking up on food items or planning to. The main worry for my mom, in particular, is financial. My mom is a dentist and sterile surgical mask prices have gone through the roof. We're talking like or so for a pack of 50 of the cheapest kind that used to be priced at no more than , let alone the more expensive ones she used to buy. If this shortage persists it's going to be a problem. We're hoping this doesn't end up extending to sterile gloves because she goes through those fast.4
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It's also saddening that many people're unable to afford to prepare, beyond their day to day.11
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amusedmonkey wrote: »We got our first reported case in the country yesterday. We're not really stocking up on food items or planning to. The main worry for my mom, in particular, is financial. My mom is a dentist and sterile surgical mask prices have gone through the roof. We're talking like or so for a pack of 50 of the cheapest kind that used to be priced at no more than , let alone the more expensive ones she used to buy. If this shortage persists it's going to be a problem. We're hoping this doesn't end up extending to sterile gloves because she goes through those fast.
Wow, why was the price removed? Are they moderating surgical mask prices? Well, basically, the price went up 1500-1600% or so.4 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »
Wow, why was the price removed? Are they moderating surgical mask prices? Well, basically, the price went up 1500-1600% or so.
I wish that I saw it, normally there'd be an "edited by moderator" posting. My guess' it was because of the people that attempt to sell their stuff/service here.1 -
I live in Rome, Italy and we've had a couple of cases (there could be a lot more, since the incubation is 2-4 weeks). northern Italy has been harder hit and many cities and towns are in quarantine. My brother-in-law is a doctor and he thinks panicking is stupid. So many people can be walking around and not know they have it, that it's useless to try and hide. We'll ride it out and hope for the best---I'm washing my hands....washing my hands....washing my hands.....10
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I also live in Europe. In general, the people around me and myself fear masshysteria and prepping more than the virus itself.
And indeed, wash your hands and respect eachothers personal space even more than usual - and keep that as a good habit after the whole episode is over.9 -
Toilet paper: Keep in mind that people in the good ol' days used pages from the Sears Roebuck catalog out in the outhouse. Obviously, there's no Sears catalog any more, but if you have the usual supply of National Geographic or whatever in your basement, you're in good shape. Even pages from the zombie apocalypse books will work, in a pinch.
Don't flush it, though: Sewage system clogs are a whole other problem.
While my apocalypse books are all digital, I was able to grab the last mega pack of my favorite brand of TP last night.4 -
Purel , hand soap...nothing different for me in prepping for the flu2
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You can use a squirt-type water bottle to mimic a bidet to take care of cleansing after #1, and save your TP for #2. I sometimes do this when backpacking. It’s refreshing. You can also use all sorts of baby and personal wipes instead of TP (just don’t flush them). But honestly, do we really think the nation is going to run out of TP?
Not all TP, no. But the manufacturer of my favorite brand has warned that it is made in China and to expect supply disruptions. This could easily cause price increases for my brand and other brands.
When California changed its rules about conditions for hens laying eggs (which I supported) this affected egg supply and price all the way over here in Massachusetts. In fact, the people raising eggs in their back yards near me in MA raised their prices as well, despite not being affected by the CA rule at all, (except as how it changed supply and demand.)4 -
Really? We ship toilet paper from China? That's just...well, I don't know why I'm surprised. There's a Dollar Store every three miles that sells practically worthless things. Shipped across an ocean.
I really don't understand the world.
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cmriverside wrote: »Really? We ship toilet paper from China? That's just...well, I don't know why I'm surprised. There's a Dollar Store every three miles that sells practically worthless things. Shipped across an ocean.
I really don't understand the world.
From the link in the OP:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andriacheng/2020/02/20/chinas-coronavirus-outbreak-threatens-to-send-global-supply-chain-into-a-tailspin-pg-alone-has-17600-items-that-could-be-affected/#84ddc5156fac
“We access 387 suppliers in China that ship to us globally more than 9,000 different materials, impacting approximately 17,600 different finished product items,” Jon Moeller, Procter & Gamble’s chief operating officer and chief financial officer, said Thursday at a conference in New York. “Each of these suppliers faces their own challenges in resuming operations.”1 -
Yeah I admit I didn't read the article.
But if you have part of a province in complete forced quarantine I guess that would lead to some backlogs. No pun intended.
I'm going to do my grocery shopping at 7AMish this morning hoping that the store will not have a lot of sneezers. I'll self-check my order.
I'm 65 so I've had my pneumonia shots and of course flu shots. My poor pharmacist. I bet they're getting over-run right now being right in the midst of this local outbreak.
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...and yes. I know those immunizations won't protect me from COVID 19.1
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cmriverside wrote: »Really? We ship toilet paper from China? That's just...well, I don't know why I'm surprised. There's a Dollar Store every three miles that sells practically worthless things. Shipped across an ocean.
I really don't understand the world.
It might not even be the finished good being shipped from China, but something used in the production domestically. For example, a paper mill producing toilet paper in Oregon might use a chemical in their process made in China. Shipments of that chemical are disrupted, and they have to search for another source domestically or from another country. Those other sources may have far less production capacity and higher prices than the Chinese source, and there may be longer lead times to get the material from the new source.
Toilet paper may actually be a simple case, compared to products with more extensive inputs. Imagine a plant operations manager having to go through every component in her production process, and also ask her suppliers to do the same exercise for the materials they provide to her, and so on further up the chain. It can get very complex very quickly, especially if the outbreak begins affecting more regions and new disruptions emerge.
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cmriverside wrote: »...and yes. I know those immunizations won't protect me from COVID 19.
No they won't but if you don't get thoe things that leaves your immune system able to better fight the SARS-Cov2 if infected2 -
Yeah I saw that Coca Cola gets sucralose from China and that they donated money to "organizations supporting those with COVID 19." How...magnanimous of them.
Oh noes. No Coke Zero?? Of course I haven't had a fizzy drink in years. BUT don't take my Lipton Tea bags!! They better not get anything from Wuhan.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »
Not all TP, no. But the manufacturer of my favorite brand has warned that it is made in China and to expect supply disruptions. This could easily cause price increases for my brand and other brands.
When California changed its rules about conditions for hens laying eggs (which I supported) this affected egg supply and price all the way over here in Massachusetts. In fact, the people raising eggs in their back yards near me in MA raised their prices as well, despite not being affected by the CA rule at all, (except as how it changed supply and demand.)
THIS is frightening! The USA could be held hostage by TP manufactures overseas! Oh no! Vunerable!2 -
kshama2001 wrote: »
I'm more a fan of apocalypse books (zombies not required), my favorite being "The Stand" by Stephen King. That did indeed start out with flu-like symptoms.
A favorite of mine. Just reread it last year, and rewatched the mini series.
I’m old, and not too concerned. We always stock up on things. We live in the country 12 miles from the nearest grocery store and Target. Have our own well and have a good supply of Britta water filters. It is what it is. An excuse for some manufacturers to raise prices and profits.0 -
just_Tomek wrote: »I have a 2 week trip planned for Morocco that starts on March 16. If the WHO does not declare this a pandemic, which most likely will affect all travel, I am set on going. Be smart, take precautions and live. If it gets you it gets you. Its not like you can see this coming.
What if they do, after you're already there?5 -
I just got my groceries delivered via Walmart, within New Jersey & we've our toilet paper, plus the bottled water I bought to rotate my stock {emergency preparations for potential tornadoes, hurricanes, not necessarily this virus}!0
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DecadeDuchess wrote: »
What if they do, after you're already there?
There’s a lot worse places to be stranded.
@just_Tomek Enjoy!4 -
Toilet paper: Keep in mind that people in the good ol' days used pages from the Sears Roebuck catalog out in the outhouse. Obviously, there's no Sears catalog any more, but if you have the usual supply of National Geographic or whatever in your basement, you're in good shape. Even pages from the zombie apocalypse books will work, in a pinch.
Don't flush it, though: Sewage system clogs are a whole other problem.
Well, there aren't sears catalogs anymore, but I can build up a ready supply from all the junk mail flyers, seed catalogs, and clothing catalogs I get in the mail every week!
I went to Krogers website today to check if something was in stock at my local store, and noticed a ribbon message at the top that says they are limiting sanitation and cold & flu related items to 5 per customer. So if you want to stockpile your toilet paper, you'll have to hit a couple of different Kroger stores and pay in cash.....0 -
I lived in Grand Cayman in 2009 when the H1N1 flu hit. As its such a small community all infections and viruses got around very quickly. Thats just what life was like. Tiny island with everyone living with or working with or friends with one another. Everyone very closely interconnected. For example we would regularly get bad bouts of 'pink eye' doing the rounds on the island. H1N1 had so many people children included in hospital that I knew. All the smokers in my office were either in hospital or too sick to work. From my personal experience if thats anything to go by, highly virulent viruses in small communities can and do get passed on very quickly and its those with weak respiratory systems or immune systems that get hit first and hardest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic_by_country8 -
just_Tomek wrote: »I have a 2 week trip planned for Morocco that starts on March 16. If the WHO does not declare this a pandemic, which most likely will affect all travel, I am set on going. Be smart, take precautions and live. If it gets you it gets you. Its not like you can see this coming.
My sister is in Morrocco right now. They didn't have any confirmed cases, to my knowledge, a week ago. It will probably be fine as long as you take proper precautions at the airport and plane.3
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