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lynn_glenmont wrote: »SisterSueGetsFit wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »SisterSueGetsFit wrote: »I started a “Free Little Food Shelf” today. Community donations have been great. Not too many takers so far, but I hope that changes. I’m in Minnesota, USA.
Honestly curious -- what's your rain contingency plan? There looks to be a lot of paper and cardboard packaging that wouldn't withstand a serious shower.
It’s a good question. I’ll move it inside. I move it in each night. If things get desperate, it’ll all go to a food shelf, because frankly, I don’t want my house broken into. I’ll post a sign when it’s gone.
And I’ve Individually wrapped the TP in Saran Wrap. 😉
Oh, I hadn't even thought about the night. I guess you don't want to attract raccoons or whatever fills that ecological niche in your neck of the woods. I hope you've started getting some takers as well as donations.
I don't think we've yet reached the point of societal breakdown where home invasions are more likely than they ever were, and I sure hope we don't ever reach that point. So far, in the past week since things the government officials in my neck of the woods started taking some serious action, almost all the people I've communicated with (online or at a suitable distance IRL) have seemed to be making extra efforts to be friendly, compassionate, etc. -- everybody saying "stay safe, stay healthy," being careful not to touch each other when they hand over a bag or make a payment in a retail location, giving each other distance when more than one person is waiting to pick up carryout, and looking for ways to help.
I mostly have an active imagination. I also have 2 dogs, a taser and a baseball bat. And I live in a pretty safe area. In all seriousness, it’s been an amazing experience. My neighborhood has donated so much and I’m frankly in a little over my head. But, things are starting to go, which is good.
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paperpudding wrote: »Since posting this morning that cafes etc were still open in South Australia - that is now changed.
Now take away or delivery only.
No dining in at all anywhere.
Whole of Australia, I think.
We don't even have takeaway in NZ anymore as of today. Pizza delivery is still a go currently, but it's a little foggy as to whether that continues once we go to Level 4 on Wednesday. Of course this makes me want to get pizza, even though I just had it a few days ago...5 -
In IL, we are "shelter in place" but have food delivery. I assume this is to help restaurants get through this.4
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In IL, we are "shelter in place" but have food delivery. I assume this is to help restaurants get through this.
Yes, reading between the lines a bit, food delivery seems to still be okay, at least if paid online and contactless delivery.
ETA, have confirmed, pizza is NOT cancelled. Phew.6 -
The CA bay area is a hot spot right now, but the beaches were still crowded yesterday. I honestly wonder if people think they can't get infected if they're outdoors?
Well R. Paul the senator is infected but he did go to senate gym and swam in the pool while he was awaiting confirmation...
(https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/488921-sinema-criticizes-paul-for-alleged-behavior-ahead-of-coronavirus-test-results ), so there are a lot of stupid and ill informed people in this world and country that prefer to stick their heads in the sand rather than confronting the reality of the present health situation, and the consequences of their careless actions.
And he's a doctor
And he lost part of a lung after being attacked by a neighbor a couple of years ago....
That neighbor'd face murder charges, if his lung damage via the attack contributes to his death.0 -
It's all lies, pizza is cancelled too
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A question for states that have shelter in place in effect, ie: California, if people are going to beaches, are arrests being made for violations? Many, maybe all, states have only essential businesses open, with no formal, shelter in place, mandate. What’s the difference?
On the bright side, no one probably wants to visit beaches here for at least 6-8 weeks at the earliest, when it will be warm enough.Nony_Mouse wrote: »It's all lies, pizza is cancelled too
Can you still pick up at least?2 -
An update from Belgium where we are now in our second week of lockdown:
All hospitals have prepared like crazy: all routine exams have been cancelled, and the number of ICU beds have almost doubled overnight. We already had an exellent healthcare system, and we are preparing for the worst which we do expect in 2 weeks. We have also asked pensioners and other non-active healthcare providers to become active again.
Economically, the government has taken steps to allow all the people who cannot work anymore because of covid to receive a grant to overcome the first months of unemployment. Even the electricity / heating and water bills will be covered for the first month for people who don't have a job and steps are taken to allow a delay in payment of mortgages and home rental fees. Small businesses will qualify for a 0% interest loan. We now also have a special department who matches people who are suddenly without a job with businesses who are in desperate need. For example, large farming companies normally depend on seasonal workers from abroad to harvest asparagus and strawberries. We try to have this done with local people to avoid large quantities of food going to waste.
We plan to be in further lockdown for about 8 more weeks, so we desperately needed some hope on the economical front.
Hoarding is still happening, but certainly not on the scale I read here, as it is happening in the US. All supermarkets are still well stocked although it is a logistical nightmare. Hubbie is working for a big retailer and he is clocking a lot of extra hours (from home) to make it happen. On top of this, although he has a high managerial job, he will volunteer to go stocking shelves one day a week. We are all hoping the hoarding will stop at a certain point.
What we also see is a lot of solidarity: the Red Cross functions as a logistical touchpoint where people who are bored out of their minds can help with doing chores like grocery shopping for nurses, calling eldery who are solitary, etc... Some IT guys have developed a platform in 3 days where volunteers can also help out in hospitals and elderly homes - on on weekend 5.000 volunteers have registered. Large telecom companies have upped the data volume for all households free of charge. And apart for the occasional slip-up here and there, people are staying inside their homes and following official guidelines. No weddings, parties, funerals, etc... everything is postponed and we are adjusting pretty well with these restrictions.
Small detail: up to last week we didn't even have a government, as all political parties were bickering ad infintum on who should be the leader of the pack. Now, in presence of the crisis, we have a sort of "war government" hastily put togheter, and they are doing a very good job in my opinion.
I've posted this (longer than I thought it to be) hoping that this might give some of you some hope on a positive outcome, from a medical, social and economical point of view.
The most important: stay at home and wash your hands !
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@SisterSueGetsFit You made me laugh--a baseball bat. I have 2 dogs, too, and they will probably bark wildly and then run away if I have trouble. One might pee himself. But he is big, with a big bark, and that alone cuts down on the willingness of people to get too close (or so I tell myself).
I think about the type of people who are out there, defying CDC recommendations because they can. It's hard not to get mad, until I remember that they are acting as their own worst enemies. It will most likely be them or their family members who get sick, not us staying home and away from that type. That stirs a bit of compassion in me and I realize it is out of my control. I don't with this on them, but realistically, they are going to get it first.
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I'm waiting outside Walmart to pick up some things for my brother, who is high risk and can't shop. It opens in 5 minutes (7 - 8:30 now). People are bunched up in front of the doors like it's Black Friday
They'll be buying everything in sight, but no concept of social distancing to actually limit spread of this. I'll wait in my car for the crowd to thin. 18 -
I'll probably be eating out more during this just because I want to help the employees of the local places that can stay open for delivery or carryout or drive through.In IL, we are "shelter in place" but have food delivery. I assume this is to help restaurants get through this.SisterSueGetsFit wrote: »
I mostly have an active imagination. I also have 2 dogs, a taser and a baseball bat. And I live in a pretty safe area. In all seriousness, it’s been an amazing experience. My neighborhood has donated so much and I’m frankly in a little over my head. But, things are starting to go, which is good.
*laughs* I have 5 scaredy cats but I also have a 4 ft long steel replica of Narsil, the 2 elven knives, and the 14 inch long dagger of Aragorn from the LOTR movies - they're dull of course, but still have points and if you swing them hard enough and make yourself look crazy enough while you do it...
That reminds me of the story this blacksmith at the local ren faire told me last year. He said he had lived in the bad part of Detroit for a time and had already had his car broken into a few times. He and his buddies had a guys' movie night and were drinking beer and watching the Highlander movie. They all had replica katanas with them. Later, when he went to bed, he happen to still have his katana in hand (drunk, after all), and set it against his night stand. He was awakened in the middle of the night to see an intruder standing in his bedroom. He said that he was still drunk which explains why he did what he did without thinking about it - he jumped out of bed, grapped his katana and screamed at the intruder "there can be only one!" and then starts chasing the guy down the stairs and out across the lawn, screaming at him the whole time. He swears there was a puddle in the floor where the intruder was standing. He also says that he never had any problems with break ins at all after that.......
My sister works for Krogers and tells me that there's a rumor that Krogers may be paying bonuses to their people who have been working over time to help with the cleaning and all the extra sales. I hope that's true as she could use it. She was working a lot of extra hours last week, but was surprised to see herself only scheduled for 18 this week; she plans on asking about that. I figure even if that's truly what they intended, she's good for coming in when they need someone, so she'll pick up extra hours.
My pastor did decide to have service yesterday morning because he could broadcast over hte local radio, but he greatly emphasized that he wanted the older people to stay home and everyone else to seriously consider what they wanted. I"m the pianist so I did agree to come on in. There were less than 20 folks there, more than the 10, but significantly less than the usual, and with our auditorium being as big as it is, it was very easy to keep people several feet apart, so social distancing was practiced and then some.
His son in law was to help him try to figure out yesterday how to livestream on facebook, though I couldn't tell if it worked or not, as I couldn't figure out how to find a person's live stream The pastor did admit that perhaps its time he learn to use some of this newer technology......
He and his wife's tunes have drastically changed about this closing church services down. Last week he was reluctant to do it and even an little defiant about it; this week, he canceled Wednesday service, had Sunday morning service because he could broadcast it, and did not open the church doors for Sunday evening service but tried to live stream it. Talking to his wife, I found out why: he has a good preacher friend in NC who picked this up at a youth rally and is now hospitalized, and another good preacher friend who has it up next to DC. I think that made it hit home for him how serious this is and how easy it is to spread. His wife's attitude had greatly changed since last Sunday and she's really behind the social distancing now.
Though I"m going to have to get used to calling this COVID-19 instead of coronavirus. My sister *sigh* was going on yesterday how one of her coworkers had it back in January and got very indignant when I tried to explain that she didn't have this; my sister was trying to insist it was a different form of this and would not listen when I tried to explain that technically, coronavirus is the name of a class of viruses and that there are many different coronaviruses out there that have been out there for years and that the human body is used to dealing with, but that this one is a brand new one called COVID-19......*sigh*7 -
Went on a hike with my son and wife yesterday at Catalina State Park. Around a 3 mile trail. Everyone was very nice (though there wasn't a lot on the trail) about keeping their distance as the trail is only wide enough for one group at a time, so people would step off by six to eight feet and let the other group go by. It was a lovely day. I tried to carry my wife over a small creek. At 55 years old, didn't go terribly well. Didn't help that my son and wife were laughing so hard and I was sinking in the sand as I crossed.
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I pray that Italy seems to be finally downticking in the number of new cases. Don't get me wrong, their death toll per day is horrid, but over the weekend, they had 15% less new cases on Sunday from Saturday, which is a very good sign that their country's lockdown had a huge effect. Not in time for the first wave of huge numbers, but it's now working, weeks later.7 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »New Zealand is now at Level 3 for the next 48 hours (to allow essential services to get ready), and then we are Level 4 for the next four weeks. That's pretty much total shut down. No restaurants, bars, takeaways. Just supermarkets, pharmacies, medical centres, things like that.
It's one scientist's opinion that the U.S. should be on immediate total lockdown (with the exception of outings for true essentials - food and medical care) for five weeks. That seems a more reasonable approach for the U.S. to take as a nation than the states taking individual approaches that may be drawn out for who knows how long, and with increasing restrictions only as they see that lesser restrictions aren't working. But, I'm no scientist, and a lot of people are chaffing at the restrictions already in place.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9QBDoz2SAc 6 -
Today there are fewer cases in Northern Italy, so they're hoping for a downward trend. The Russian airplanes are landing with cargo for us--masks, ventilators, and doctors. The trucks that were exiting the cargo holds had 2 hearts painted on the doors--one was the Italian flag, the other Russian. We've had doctors arrive from Cuba, and the Chinese are shipping us masks, ventilators, etc.... Masks will be distributed--10 per family this Wednesday, at a Chinese Evangelical Church 2 blocks from us. Lines at supermarkets are long. There are roadblocks outside Rome to stop people from going to the beach or country.21
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Parks and trails are being shut down in Southern California because too many people showed up and were crowding together. Um, you can exercise outside if you stay apart! Just being outside is not going to protect you in and of itself.
https://www.timeout.com/los-angeles/news/some-l-a-parks-are-closing-until-further-notice-after-a-busy-weekend-on-the-trails-0322207 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »SisterSueGetsFit wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »SisterSueGetsFit wrote: »I started a “Free Little Food Shelf” today. Community donations have been great. Not too many takers so far, but I hope that changes. I’m in Minnesota, USA.
Honestly curious -- what's your rain contingency plan? There looks to be a lot of paper and cardboard packaging that wouldn't withstand a serious shower.
It’s a good question. I’ll move it inside. I move it in each night. If things get desperate, it’ll all go to a food shelf, because frankly, I don’t want my house broken into. I’ll post a sign when it’s gone.
And I’ve Individually wrapped the TP in Saran Wrap. 😉
Oh, I hadn't even thought about the night. I guess you don't want to attract raccoons or whatever fills that ecological niche in your neck of the woods. I hope you've started getting some takers as well as donations.
I don't think we've yet reached the point of societal breakdown where home invasions are more likely than they ever were, and I sure hope we don't ever reach that point. So far, in the past week since things the government officials in my neck of the woods started taking some serious action, almost all the people I've communicated with (online or at a suitable distance IRL) have seemed to be making extra efforts to be friendly, compassionate, etc. -- everybody saying "stay safe, stay healthy," being careful not to touch each other when they hand over a bag or make a payment in a retail location, giving each other distance when more than one person is waiting to pick up carryout, and looking for ways to help.
My local shelter has started something similar for pet food. They have bins in a protected area near the doors and you can drip off donations or pick up food if you need some.3 -
A lockdown will save everyone. The govt. can plead people to stay indoor but many will continue to go shopping, to restaurants, to beaches and heaven know where else.
There is also a danger that if everything would come to a halt, small business owners will be devastated.
It is a lose-lose situation for everyone.7 -
ataleforthetimebeing wrote: »A lockdown will save everyone. The govt. can plead people to stay indoor but many will continue to go shopping, to restaurants, to beaches and heaven know where else.
There is also a danger that if everything would come to a halt, small business owners will be devastated.
It is a lose-lose situation for everyone.
It’s logistically impossible to shut down EVERYTHING.
Look at the beaches in CA where people are defying orders.
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Yesterday I started rereading the novel Domesday Book, by Connie Willis, which I read back in the late '90s. (My impulse here is much like all those rewatching Contagion.)
What I had remembered about the book (written in '92) was that it was set in the future (2054) where time travel is possible, and that there were two contagious disease events -- one in the 2054 events (some sort of virus, is what is initially known) and the Black Death (time traveller). I won't go into how they are connected as I don't want to spoil more than I have.
What I did not recall was that part of the backstory for the book's world is that earlier in the century there was a huge Pandemic killing some huge number of people worldwide and a disproportionate 30 million in the US. (Early in the book, which is set in the UK, specifically at Oxford, some US tourists are furious about getting stuck there in a quarantine and insist that could never happen in the US, at which a local character muses that that's why so many in the US died in the Pandemic.)
I am not actually convinced the US and UK responses look to be so different, but a rather eery read right now, more than expected when I was planning just for the Plague and the 2054 mystery virus.8 -
One good thing I see is that as more cases in the US are being reported, the over all percentage of those that are dying are dropping - this morning the John Hopkins map showed the use with 475 dead in 35,345 cases - that's 1.3% of the cases, which is going down from last week when it was 1.8%. Its horrible that anyone is dying, but so far in the US, the fatalities in comparison to the total cases is staying down. I take that as a positive sign that what we are doing is working, despite the people who don't take it serious.
I do realize though, that a lot of this is because we're getting more and more people tested and that if the total number of cases being hospitalized shoots up dramatically, that ratio will change for the worst.
I'm glad to see more people taking this seriously now, but I'm also seeing more people starting to panic - or at least the ones who are usually prone to panicking about this sort of thing are starting to panic when before, we were pretty isolated from it; now that is getting closer to here, those folks are beginning to become anxious (like my sister for instance).
I ran some math numbers for my mother yesterday which I hope she understood and took to heart: if you have 50% of the some 330 million people in the US get this, with 10% of that number being hospitalized for serious cases, you have some 16.5 million people needing extreme care. If only 1% of those people die from this, that's still 165,000 people. And yet there are still some people who claim this isn't any worse than the flu!
Granted, I understand that not all that 50% are going to get it at once - or at least, as I told mom, that's what all this social distancing and shut-downs are trying to prevent from happening.7
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