Coronavirus prep
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Well....got the call today from my 24 year old son in NYC. Started feeling off on Friday night, woke up yesterday with aches, chills, headache and sort throat. Today, a "tickle" in his chest. May have a fever but there is not thermometer to be had so we will just have to assume. According to the NYC public health Covid 19 website, he is to just stay home and get over it. Not tests available for other than bad cases, which is fine but would be good to track all of these untested but suspected cases for future study and stats IMHO.
I am going to try to send him some more food that he can eat and not have to go anywhere. He will self quarantine for 10 days (was most likely exposed early last week since its usually day 5 or so that you show symptoms. We really won't know without a test if he is active but the website said 10 days from onset of symptoms and 3 days with no fever not using tylenol. Again....he will have to guess.
Flying blind. I can't wait till someone tries to make the case that US has the "best" healthcare system in the world. Absolute joke. My son is young and an ex-athlete = pretty healthy. I know there is no guarantees but I am hopeful that he will be fine. Just venting due to stress. And angry at the US response. And feeling very sad for our friends around the world that are suffering too!
@bearly63 - It’s stressful that’s for sure. I feel the anxiety - I’m in NYC as well with friends getting tested and I’m married to a first responder. We are taking every precaution but the odds are we have a great chance of getting it which is scary and sobering. I feel like I’m following every drop of news and following every official in NYC on social media to get a hold of any update on what we can do to get ahead if we do catch it. Just sit and wait is frustrating indeed. Wishing your son a full and speedy recovery.
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BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »An update from about 40 miles north of London.
A school friend of my oldest daughter is an ENT doctor in a local hospital. Her boss, the consultant, is on a ventilator and they’re all still working with minimal protection.
38% of their admissions are between 20 and 53 years old.
This is just the tip of the iceberg, I assume.
If you’re in the UK - Stay indoors!
Our governments not insuring great protection equipment for this virus gets to me. Hopefully when we did out of this avalanche of patients finally some serious planning will be down world wide. I read the other day 7 MD's have already died of COVID-19. That is not acceptable.14 -
My grandmother, who is 72, texted me yesterday saying how she ran out of chicken and butter, because both were removed from the grocery delivery she just had. I told her I would look for some today when I went out to find milk.
It took going to 6 stores before I found chicken and 9 to find butter. Ridiculous.17 -
I wish there was a sad button 😔6 -
The CA bay area is a hot spot right now, but the beaches were still crowded yesterday. I honestly wonder if people think they can't get infected if they're outdoors?
Well R. Paul the senator is infected but he did go to senate gym and swam in the pool while he was awaiting confirmation...
(https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/488921-sinema-criticizes-paul-for-alleged-behavior-ahead-of-coronavirus-test-results ), so there are a lot of stupid and ill informed people in this world and country that prefer to stick their heads in the sand rather than confronting the reality of the present health situation, and the consequences of their careless actions. 7 -
The CA bay area is a hot spot right now, but the beaches were still crowded yesterday. I honestly wonder if people think they can't get infected if they're outdoors?
Well R. Paul the senator is infected but he did go to senate gym and swam in the pool while he was awaiting confirmation... (https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/488921-sinema-criticizes-paul-for-alleged-behavior-ahead-of-coronavirus-test-results ), so there are a lot of stupid and ill informed people in this world and country that prefer to stick their heads in the sand rather than confronting the reality of the present health situation, and the consequences of their careless actions.
OMG! I saw he was infected and expect we'll see more simply because political figures have contact with so many different people. I'm appalled at the irresponsible behavior - others who have been exposed (let alone waiting on test results) have done the right thing and isolated themselves.8 -
The CA bay area is a hot spot right now, but the beaches were still crowded yesterday. I honestly wonder if people think they can't get infected if they're outdoors?
Well R. Paul the senator is infected but he did go to senate gym and swam in the pool while he was awaiting confirmation... (https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/488921-sinema-criticizes-paul-for-alleged-behavior-ahead-of-coronavirus-test-results ), so there are a lot of stupid and ill informed people in this world and country that prefer to stick their heads in the sand rather than confronting the reality of the present health situation, and the consequences of their careless actions.
OMG! I saw he was infected and expect we'll see more simply because political figures have contact with so many different people. I'm appalled at the irresponsible behavior - others who have been exposed (let alone waiting on test results) have done the right thing and isolated themselves.
Paul attended a major black-tie social event in Louisville, Kentucky, two weeks ago where several attendees have subsequently tested positive, including the wife of Louisville Mayor Greg Fischer. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell told fellow senators Sunday in a lunch that Paul got tested because he had been at that event, several Republican sources told CNN
b]Upon learning the news, Utah Sens. Mike Lee and Mitt Romney both announced they'd be self-quarantining.[/b]0 -
In other shocking news (/s)
https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-university-tampa-florida-spring-break-student-20200322-f5dcdh7cb5gi3jzzubu3nbgmri-story.html
I wish this development would cause people to see the direct cause and effect of exposing themselves unnecessarily to risk of infection, but I'm not optimistic 😔6 -
The CA bay area is a hot spot right now, but the beaches were still crowded yesterday. I honestly wonder if people think they can't get infected if they're outdoors?
Well R. Paul the senator is infected but he did go to senate gym and swam in the pool while he was awaiting confirmation... (https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/488921-sinema-criticizes-paul-for-alleged-behavior-ahead-of-coronavirus-test-results ), so there are a lot of stupid and ill informed people in this world and country that prefer to stick their heads in the sand rather than confronting the reality of the present health situation, and the consequences of their careless actions.
And he's a doctor
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I wish there was a sad button 😔
More like an angry button. In SoCal, people are all going to the beaches here. I look at Sigalert (the traffic map) and all freeways look clear except for Pacific Coast Highway from Santa Monica to Seal Beach, and from Newport Beach to Dana Point.
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New Zealand is now at Level 3 for the next 48 hours (to allow essential services to get ready), and then we are Level 4 for the next four weeks. That's pretty much total shut down. No restaurants, bars, takeaways. Just supermarkets, pharmacies, medical centres, things like that.11
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SisterSueGetsFit wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »SisterSueGetsFit wrote: »I started a “Free Little Food Shelf” today. Community donations have been great. Not too many takers so far, but I hope that changes. I’m in Minnesota, USA.
Honestly curious -- what's your rain contingency plan? There looks to be a lot of paper and cardboard packaging that wouldn't withstand a serious shower.
It’s a good question. I’ll move it inside. I move it in each night. If things get desperate, it’ll all go to a food shelf, because frankly, I don’t want my house broken into. I’ll post a sign when it’s gone.
And I’ve Individually wrapped the TP in Saran Wrap. 😉
Oh, I hadn't even thought about the night. I guess you don't want to attract raccoons or whatever fills that ecological niche in your neck of the woods. I hope you've started getting some takers as well as donations.
I don't think we've yet reached the point of societal breakdown where home invasions are more likely than they ever were, and I sure hope we don't ever reach that point. So far, in the past week since things the government officials in my neck of the woods started taking some serious action, almost all the people I've communicated with (online or at a suitable distance IRL) have seemed to be making extra efforts to be friendly, compassionate, etc. -- everybody saying "stay safe, stay healthy," being careful not to touch each other when they hand over a bag or make a payment in a retail location, giving each other distance when more than one person is waiting to pick up carryout, and looking for ways to help.
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »This looks to be a reasonably well-researched article about food safety (with reference to recent coronavirus research, handling takeout for consumers and providers, groceries, etc. ). Caveat: I'm not an authority, so I'm not even remotely in a position to critique his thinking, but feel like there are reasonable signs he's done his homework.
https://www.seriouseats.com/2020/03/food-safety-and-coronavirus-a-comprehensive-guide.html
Agreed that it seems like a good piece, and I think he's a responsible writer in general from past experience with him.
One benefit of the stay at home thing here is that there's really no reason for many people to be out in their cars, and so I could easily run in the streets around my neighborhood should there be more people on the sidewalks than I've noticed, and we can all easily avoid each other.
The ghost town feel continues to be really weird, though. Although my neighborhood streets are pretty quiet in general, the one I'm on is ordinarily used as a feeder to some other streets, so usually has some amount of car traffic, and has almost none at all today. More striking, I'm quiet close to a busy north/south street (it's between me and an area I like to run in) that currently seems to have almost nothing other than its bus route (public transit is continuing for those reliant on it).
WF/amazon prime delivery did seem to be up and running here today.
As to cars, I believe it is bad for my hybrid battery to sit too long. I should take it out for a drive at least every 2 weeks, maybe every week.
I went out both Saturday and Sunday -- I had errands, but it had the feel of what in my youth was called "going for a Sunday drive," where you piled into the car and just drove someplace, maybe looking at houses or flowers or scenery in a more rural area ... No need to have human contact that could spread a virus just because you get in your car for a drive.8 -
The CA bay area is a hot spot right now, but the beaches were still crowded yesterday. I honestly wonder if people think they can't get infected if they're outdoors?
Well R. Paul the senator is infected but he did go to senate gym and swam in the pool while he was awaiting confirmation... (https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/488921-sinema-criticizes-paul-for-alleged-behavior-ahead-of-coronavirus-test-results ), so there are a lot of stupid and ill informed people in this world and country that prefer to stick their heads in the sand rather than confronting the reality of the present health situation, and the consequences of their careless actions.
And he's a doctor
And he lost part of a lung after being attacked by a neighbor a couple of years ago....
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »New Zealand is now at Level 3 for the next 48 hours (to allow essential services to get ready), and then we are Level 4 for the next four weeks. That's pretty much total shut down. No restaurants, bars, takeaways. Just supermarkets, pharmacies, medical centres, things like that.
We (Australia) just entered that level yesterday. All non-essential services are closed from midday today. My state is still keeping schools open but local government is allowing parents to withdraw kids from school without penalty.
I work in Education Management and we are working through red tape to potentially operate our childcare centers 24 hours a day to accommodate working parents.1 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »I went out both Saturday and Sunday -- I had errands, but it had the feel of what in my youth was called "going for a Sunday drive," where you piled into the car and just drove someplace, maybe looking at houses or flowers or scenery in a more rural area ... No need to have human contact that could spread a virus just because you get in your car for a drive.
We have been staying home as much as possible for a couple of weeks now. We went out 'driving just for the sake of it' twice over the weekend with our learner driver son just to get out.1 -
@mkculs13 @cmriverside Thank you!
@Safari_Gal_ Thanks. I hope you all stay safe! So worried about NY and the health care community. It is getting desperate.
@amtyrell thanks...I will check it out. Also read to consider an "ovulation" one if it goes high enough.
LOL....5 dislikes. Guess there are 5 people who think our healthcare system is top notch. My advice to you....wash your hands a lot and stay home.
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I wish there was a sad button 😔
More like an angry button. In SoCal, people are all going to the beaches here. I look at Sigalert (the traffic map) and all freeways look clear except for Pacific Coast Highway from Santa Monica to Seal Beach, and from Newport Beach to Dana Point.
https://www.sigalert.com/map.asp?lat=33.7134&lon=-118.20885&z=1
I live between the beach and PCH in SoCal. I usually walk at the beach several times a week, but I've decided to stop. It isn't super crowded on the beach. People could easily stay 6 feet from each other. But nobody is. It's like they're going out of their way to get close. And there are big groups hanging out on the beach or playing volleyball. There's also a large staircase with tons of people running up and down, and an area near the lifeguard station with trainers and their clients working out. It's very crowded and it causes me anxiety when I have to push through that section.
That said, I have to fly for work several times this week. The planes are very lightly populated. The airports are eerily empty with many of the stores and restaurants closed. People are doing a great job distancing there. And everyone is wearing gloves and masks. I also forgot that my hotel wouldn't have any food available with all restaurants closed and forgot to pack enough to see me though. I've been stress eating, so the lack of food was probably good for me, but I'll pack more food tomorrow when I fly again.17 -
Since posting this morning that cafes etc were still open in South Australia - that is now changed.
Now take away or delivery only.
No dining in at all anywhere.
Whole of Australia, I think.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »SisterSueGetsFit wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »SisterSueGetsFit wrote: »I started a “Free Little Food Shelf” today. Community donations have been great. Not too many takers so far, but I hope that changes. I’m in Minnesota, USA.
Honestly curious -- what's your rain contingency plan? There looks to be a lot of paper and cardboard packaging that wouldn't withstand a serious shower.
It’s a good question. I’ll move it inside. I move it in each night. If things get desperate, it’ll all go to a food shelf, because frankly, I don’t want my house broken into. I’ll post a sign when it’s gone.
And I’ve Individually wrapped the TP in Saran Wrap. 😉
Oh, I hadn't even thought about the night. I guess you don't want to attract raccoons or whatever fills that ecological niche in your neck of the woods. I hope you've started getting some takers as well as donations.
I don't think we've yet reached the point of societal breakdown where home invasions are more likely than they ever were, and I sure hope we don't ever reach that point. So far, in the past week since things the government officials in my neck of the woods started taking some serious action, almost all the people I've communicated with (online or at a suitable distance IRL) have seemed to be making extra efforts to be friendly, compassionate, etc. -- everybody saying "stay safe, stay healthy," being careful not to touch each other when they hand over a bag or make a payment in a retail location, giving each other distance when more than one person is waiting to pick up carryout, and looking for ways to help.
I mostly have an active imagination. I also have 2 dogs, a taser and a baseball bat. And I live in a pretty safe area. In all seriousness, it’s been an amazing experience. My neighborhood has donated so much and I’m frankly in a little over my head. But, things are starting to go, which is good.
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paperpudding wrote: »Since posting this morning that cafes etc were still open in South Australia - that is now changed.
Now take away or delivery only.
No dining in at all anywhere.
Whole of Australia, I think.
We don't even have takeaway in NZ anymore as of today. Pizza delivery is still a go currently, but it's a little foggy as to whether that continues once we go to Level 4 on Wednesday. Of course this makes me want to get pizza, even though I just had it a few days ago...5 -
In IL, we are "shelter in place" but have food delivery. I assume this is to help restaurants get through this.4
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In IL, we are "shelter in place" but have food delivery. I assume this is to help restaurants get through this.
Yes, reading between the lines a bit, food delivery seems to still be okay, at least if paid online and contactless delivery.
ETA, have confirmed, pizza is NOT cancelled. Phew.6 -
The CA bay area is a hot spot right now, but the beaches were still crowded yesterday. I honestly wonder if people think they can't get infected if they're outdoors?
Well R. Paul the senator is infected but he did go to senate gym and swam in the pool while he was awaiting confirmation... (https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/488921-sinema-criticizes-paul-for-alleged-behavior-ahead-of-coronavirus-test-results ), so there are a lot of stupid and ill informed people in this world and country that prefer to stick their heads in the sand rather than confronting the reality of the present health situation, and the consequences of their careless actions.
And he's a doctor
And he lost part of a lung after being attacked by a neighbor a couple of years ago....
That neighbor'd face murder charges, if his lung damage via the attack contributes to his death.0 -
It's all lies, pizza is cancelled too
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A question for states that have shelter in place in effect, ie: California, if people are going to beaches, are arrests being made for violations? Many, maybe all, states have only essential businesses open, with no formal, shelter in place, mandate. What’s the difference?
On the bright side, no one probably wants to visit beaches here for at least 6-8 weeks at the earliest, when it will be warm enough.Nony_Mouse wrote: »It's all lies, pizza is cancelled too
Can you still pick up at least?2 -
An update from Belgium where we are now in our second week of lockdown:
All hospitals have prepared like crazy: all routine exams have been cancelled, and the number of ICU beds have almost doubled overnight. We already had an exellent healthcare system, and we are preparing for the worst which we do expect in 2 weeks. We have also asked pensioners and other non-active healthcare providers to become active again.
Economically, the government has taken steps to allow all the people who cannot work anymore because of covid to receive a grant to overcome the first months of unemployment. Even the electricity / heating and water bills will be covered for the first month for people who don't have a job and steps are taken to allow a delay in payment of mortgages and home rental fees. Small businesses will qualify for a 0% interest loan. We now also have a special department who matches people who are suddenly without a job with businesses who are in desperate need. For example, large farming companies normally depend on seasonal workers from abroad to harvest asparagus and strawberries. We try to have this done with local people to avoid large quantities of food going to waste.
We plan to be in further lockdown for about 8 more weeks, so we desperately needed some hope on the economical front.
Hoarding is still happening, but certainly not on the scale I read here, as it is happening in the US. All supermarkets are still well stocked although it is a logistical nightmare. Hubbie is working for a big retailer and he is clocking a lot of extra hours (from home) to make it happen. On top of this, although he has a high managerial job, he will volunteer to go stocking shelves one day a week. We are all hoping the hoarding will stop at a certain point.
What we also see is a lot of solidarity: the Red Cross functions as a logistical touchpoint where people who are bored out of their minds can help with doing chores like grocery shopping for nurses, calling eldery who are solitary, etc... Some IT guys have developed a platform in 3 days where volunteers can also help out in hospitals and elderly homes - on on weekend 5.000 volunteers have registered. Large telecom companies have upped the data volume for all households free of charge. And apart for the occasional slip-up here and there, people are staying inside their homes and following official guidelines. No weddings, parties, funerals, etc... everything is postponed and we are adjusting pretty well with these restrictions.
Small detail: up to last week we didn't even have a government, as all political parties were bickering ad infintum on who should be the leader of the pack. Now, in presence of the crisis, we have a sort of "war government" hastily put togheter, and they are doing a very good job in my opinion.
I've posted this (longer than I thought it to be) hoping that this might give some of you some hope on a positive outcome, from a medical, social and economical point of view.
The most important: stay at home and wash your hands !
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@SisterSueGetsFit You made me laugh--a baseball bat. I have 2 dogs, too, and they will probably bark wildly and then run away if I have trouble. One might pee himself. But he is big, with a big bark, and that alone cuts down on the willingness of people to get too close (or so I tell myself).
I think about the type of people who are out there, defying CDC recommendations because they can. It's hard not to get mad, until I remember that they are acting as their own worst enemies. It will most likely be them or their family members who get sick, not us staying home and away from that type. That stirs a bit of compassion in me and I realize it is out of my control. I don't with this on them, but realistically, they are going to get it first.
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I'm waiting outside Walmart to pick up some things for my brother, who is high risk and can't shop. It opens in 5 minutes (7 - 8:30 now). People are bunched up in front of the doors like it's Black Friday
They'll be buying everything in sight, but no concept of social distancing to actually limit spread of this. I'll wait in my car for the crowd to thin. 18
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