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One good thing I see is that as more cases in the US are being reported, the over all percentage of those that are dying are dropping - this morning the John Hopkins map showed the use with 475 dead in 35,345 cases - that's 1.3% of the cases, which is going down from last week when it was 1.8%. Its horrible that anyone is dying, but so far in the US, the fatalities in comparison to the total cases is staying down. I take that as a positive sign that what we are doing is working, despite the people who don't take it serious.
I do realize though, that a lot of this is because we're getting more and more people tested and that if the total number of cases being hospitalized shoots up dramatically, that ratio will change for the worst.
I'm glad to see more people taking this seriously now, but I'm also seeing more people starting to panic - or at least the ones who are usually prone to panicking about this sort of thing are starting to panic when before, we were pretty isolated from it; now that is getting closer to here, those folks are beginning to become anxious (like my sister for instance).
I ran some math numbers for my mother yesterday which I hope she understood and took to heart: if you have 50% of the some 330 million people in the US get this, with 10% of that number being hospitalized for serious cases, you have some 16.5 million people needing extreme care. If only 1% of those people die from this, that's still 165,000 people. And yet there are still some people who claim this isn't any worse than the flu!
Granted, I understand that not all that 50% are going to get it at once - or at least, as I told mom, that's what all this social distancing and shut-downs are trying to prevent from happening.7 -
missysippy930 wrote: »A question for states that have shelter in place in effect, ie: California, if people are going to beaches, are arrests being made for violations? Many, maybe all, states have only essential businesses open, with no formal, shelter in place, mandate. What’s the difference?
On the bright side, no one probably wants to visit beaches here for at least 6-8 weeks at the earliest, when it will be warm enough.
No. At least not in the Manhattan Beach/Hermosa Beach/Redondo Beach area. I don't think people should be arrested, but I do think maybe the police who drive by routinely on the bike path may want to occasionally issue a verbal reminder to some of the larger groups. Or maybe one of the lifeguards could walk the 3 feet from the big lifeguard station and suggest to the 50 or so people gathered around the building with their gym equipment that they need to separate a few feet from each other.
It's a little cold and rainy still so that is keeping the crowds down.
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Indiana update!
Tested: 1,960
Confirmed: 259
Deaths: 7
The cases are for sure clustered so far. You have Lake County which is the most North West county right there by Chicago. Then you have Marion County (where I work) which is where Indianapolis is along with some surrounding counties including the one I live in. So I am actually in a hot spot right now in the state. Wonderful. Great. Awesome.
I put in an Instacart order for Friday. Just for a handful of items I would like to have like fresh fruit and veggies. Will I get it all? I doubt it, but I had to try. I can't get out early during the week and I really don't want to try and do a weekend morning for my own health.
Plus... I may be getting sick. Hard to tell because I have horrible allergies and I know THOSE are picking up. But I slept a TON yesterday and am still feeling so fatigued today. Then again, I also have chronic fatigue so... It stinks. I am going to treat this as me getting ill and take precautions. No fever, but I have read a few stories where people have a cough, sore throat, and the like before getting the fever so can't really use that to be sure.11 -
Indiana update!
Tested: 1,960
Confirmed: 259
Deaths: 7
The cases are for sure clustered so far. You have Lake County which is the most North West county right there by Chicago. Then you have Marion County (where I work) which is where Indianapolis is along with some surrounding counties including the one I live in. So I am actually in a hot spot right now in the state. Wonderful. Great. Awesome.
Here in IL, we'd tested around 8400 people as of yesterday, with 1049 confirmed cases, but those also are very clustered so far: mostly in Chicago (where I am) and Chicago metro -- 519 in Chicago proper, 286 in the rest of Cook County, 79 in DuPage, 69 in Lake, 21 in Will. One thing people brought up elsewhere though is that it may be easier to get testing faster in places with major medical centers, like Chicago and Indy. I certainly think population density is a big part of it, though.
Hope you feel better. I think taking precautions is wise, but there are so many overlaps with regular cold and allergy symptoms, and personally I'm having a hard time sleeping well.
Yesterday I decided to get back to my Calm morning meditation as part of a coping plan, and Calm works by having you focus on breathing. A combination of actually letting myself fully feel my anxiety and sadness vs. pushing it out of my head and focusing hard on my breathing caused a little panic where I was trying to figure out if I were having trouble breathing (I wasn't once the panic passed). Happily today it was much more normal when doing the deep breathing and focus.
(Similarly yesterday when I went running I initially had panicky breathing until I relax and focused on running slowly and working up into my usual pace. Then it was okay.)8 -
Yesterday I started rereading the novel Domesday Book, by Connie Willis, which I read back in the late '90s. (My impulse here is much like all those rewatching Contagion.)
What I had remembered about the book (written in '92) was that it was set in the future (2054) where time travel is possible, and that there were two contagious disease events -- one in the 2054 events (some sort of virus, is what is initially known) and the Black Death (time traveller). I won't go into how they are connected as I don't want to spoil more than I have.
What I did not recall was that part of the backstory for the book's world is that earlier in the century there was a huge Pandemic killing some huge number of people worldwide and a disproportionate 30 million in the US. (Early in the book, which is set in the UK, specifically at Oxford, some US tourists are furious about getting stuck there in a quarantine and insist that could never happen in the US, at which a local character muses that that's why so many in the US died in the Pandemic.)
I am not actually convinced the US and UK responses look to be so different, but a rather eery read right now, more than expected when I was planning just for the Plague and the 2054 mystery virus.
In the same vein I’ve just dug out my much read tattered copy of Stephen King’s ‘The Stand’. First read it when it was published in 1978, have re-read it maybe 3 times over the years. Just thought it would be interesting to read it now, with a slightly different perspective than previously.
Some chilling similarities so far, specifically the passages about the silent spread from casual contact in shops, gas stations, mail delivery etc which send out myriads of infection points, all on separate trajectories from every encounter. 😱5 -
MD issued non-essential business closed @ 5pm today.2
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MD - Hogan put this into effect this morning, 11 am - all non essential businesses to close.1
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JustSomeEm wrote: »
10ish today.. Hogan was doing his briefings.
https://patch.com/maryland/annapolis/md-coronavirus-governor-orders-nonessential-businesses-close0 -
Antiopelle wrote: »An update from Belgium where we are now in our second week of lockdown:
All hospitals have prepared like crazy: all routine exams have been cancelled, and the number of ICU beds have almost doubled overnight. We already had an exellent healthcare system, and we are preparing for the worst which we do expect in 2 weeks. We have also asked pensioners and other non-active healthcare providers to become active again.
Economically, the government has taken steps to allow all the people who cannot work anymore because of covid to receive a grant to overcome the first months of unemployment. Even the electricity / heating and water bills will be covered for the first month for people who don't have a job and steps are taken to allow a delay in payment of mortgages and home rental fees. Small businesses will qualify for a 0% interest loan. We now also have a special department who matches people who are suddenly without a job with businesses who are in desperate need. For example, large farming companies normally depend on seasonal workers from abroad to harvest asparagus and strawberries. We try to have this done with local people to avoid large quantities of food going to waste.
We plan to be in further lockdown for about 8 more weeks, so we desperately needed some hope on the economical front.
Hoarding is still happening, but certainly not on the scale I read here, as it is happening in the US. All supermarkets are still well stocked although it is a logistical nightmare. Hubbie is working for a big retailer and he is clocking a lot of extra hours (from home) to make it happen. On top of this, although he has a high managerial job, he will volunteer to go stocking shelves one day a week. We are all hoping the hoarding will stop at a certain point.
What we also see is a lot of solidarity: the Red Cross functions as a logistical touchpoint where people who are bored out of their minds can help with doing chores like grocery shopping for nurses, calling eldery who are solitary, etc... Some IT guys have developed a platform in 3 days where volunteers can also help out in hospitals and elderly homes - on on weekend 5.000 volunteers have registered. Large telecom companies have upped the data volume for all households free of charge. And apart for the occasional slip-up here and there, people are staying inside their homes and following official guidelines. No weddings, parties, funerals, etc... everything is postponed and we are adjusting pretty well with these restrictions.
Kind of similar in Austria/Vienna. Not many people on the streets, but people still walk, bike, and hike (keeping the distance). Grocery stores are well stocked and no hoarding. Schools, universities, restaurants, bars, museums, theaters, and non-essential businesses are closed. Buses and u-bahn are pretty empty. But people are helping each other and it's rather calm. For now we are on the lockdown for four more weeks, but this will most likely be extended...3 -
Stay at Home Order declared in Indiana. Just announced by the Governor. Non- Essential business will be closed. It takes effect end of day tomorrow and goes through April 6. This also includes all government offices so I will be work from home until at least then.2
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missysippy930 wrote: »A question for states that have shelter in place in effect, ie: California, if people are going to beaches, are arrests being made for violations? Many, maybe all, states have only essential businesses open, with no formal, shelter in place, mandate. What’s the difference?
On the bright side, no one probably wants to visit beaches here for at least 6-8 weeks at the earliest, when it will be warm enough.
No. At least not in the Manhattan Beach/Hermosa Beach/Redondo Beach area. I don't think people should be arrested, but I do think maybe the police who drive by routinely on the bike path may want to occasionally issue a verbal reminder to some of the larger groups. Or maybe one of the lifeguards could walk the 3 feet from the big lifeguard station and suggest to the 50 or so people gathered around the building with their gym equipment that they need to separate a few feet from each other.
It's a little cold and rainy still so that is keeping the crowds down.
We have drones patrolling some of our beaches in Italy now. They hover over people and tell them to distance and that they are supposed to be at home.7 -
Thanks - I could have googled, I guess. I just read the release, and he is still allowing restaurants to provide take-out/delivery services, along with a whole host of other businesses... There are so many exceptions that it doesn't seem as if as many are affected as could be...2
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snowflake954 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »A question for states that have shelter in place in effect, ie: California, if people are going to beaches, are arrests being made for violations? Many, maybe all, states have only essential businesses open, with no formal, shelter in place, mandate. What’s the difference?
On the bright side, no one probably wants to visit beaches here for at least 6-8 weeks at the earliest, when it will be warm enough.
No. At least not in the Manhattan Beach/Hermosa Beach/Redondo Beach area. I don't think people should be arrested, but I do think maybe the police who drive by routinely on the bike path may want to occasionally issue a verbal reminder to some of the larger groups. Or maybe one of the lifeguards could walk the 3 feet from the big lifeguard station and suggest to the 50 or so people gathered around the building with their gym equipment that they need to separate a few feet from each other.
It's a little cold and rainy still so that is keeping the crowds down.
We have drones patrolling some of our beaches in Italy now. They hover over people and tell them to distance and that they are supposed to be at home.
While I understand and agree with the action, the mental image of that is just creepy as *kitten*.4 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »
I went out both Saturday and Sunday -- I had errands, but it had the feel of what in my youth was called "going for a Sunday drive," where you piled into the car and just drove someplace, maybe looking at houses or flowers or scenery in a more rural area ... No need to have human contact that could spread a virus just because you get in your car for a drive.
Generally the roads are a lot less busy around here. However, yesterday I went for a run in the state forest. There's a gravel road that leads back into the mountains. There's not much to see but trees and a small creek, and it seems mostly to be a hunting/fishing area in season. Normally when I run there, I'll see 1 or 2 cars an hour. Yesteday I saw 18 during my 8 mile run. Nobody on foot, though there were a couple of cars parked there, so presumably someone was running or biking. I just never saw them. I figured it would be a lot less populated than the state park or running in town. I was right.1 -
JustSomeEm wrote: »Thanks - I could have googled, I guess. I just read the release, and he is still allowing restaurants to provide take-out/delivery services, along with a whole host of other businesses... There are so many exceptions that it doesn't seem as if as many are affected as could be...
Apparently American officials have decided to "split the difference," by keeping open what businesses they can while keeping home as many people as they can--balancing economic and medical concerns. I guess only time will tell if that strategy is worthwhile. I think it gives folks a mixed message and is not completely consistent with CDC recommendations. But IF it works, then the economic impact will be worth it. I don't know that the economic benefit is worth risking more lives, though.
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WI to get a "Safer At Home" order tomorrow. Fewer business will be open--also mentions the need for folks to limit interactions to the same people, not different small groups. Good. Some people do not seem to get that distinction.
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spiriteagle99 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »
I went out both Saturday and Sunday -- I had errands, but it had the feel of what in my youth was called "going for a Sunday drive," where you piled into the car and just drove someplace, maybe looking at houses or flowers or scenery in a more rural area ... No need to have human contact that could spread a virus just because you get in your car for a drive.
Generally the roads are a lot less busy around here. However, yesterday I went for a run in the state forest. There's a gravel road that leads back into the mountains. There's not much to see but trees and a small creek, and it seems mostly to be a hunting/fishing area in season. Normally when I run there, I'll see 1 or 2 cars an hour. Yesteday I saw 18 during my 8 mile run. Nobody on foot, though there were a couple of cars parked there, so presumably someone was running or biking. I just never saw them. I figured it would be a lot less populated than the state park or running in town. I was right.
Re the bolded, I've noticed that where I am too. Normally my house street is quite busy throughout the day as it's a main thoroughfare for multiple subdivisions. I walked out to retrieve our trashcan this morning, and there wasn't a single car as far as I could see in either direction. It was a little eerie.
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Hi All ...
NY is on “pause” here. The city streets are mostly bare. Our convention center - the Javits center is being converted into a field hospital. For some seeing the Army or National Guard is alarming.. it is surreal, but I’m happy they are being engaged to help the efforts here.
The virus just hit home in a bigger way for me - One of my closest friends has contracted it. She is on a ventilator here in NYC. Taking it day by day and taking all precautions... what else is there to do?28 -
Indiana update!
Tested: 1,960
Confirmed: 259
Deaths: 7
The cases are for sure clustered so far. You have Lake County which is the most North West county right there by Chicago. Then you have Marion County (where I work) which is where Indianapolis is along with some surrounding counties including the one I live in. So I am actually in a hot spot right now in the state. Wonderful. Great. Awesome.
Here in IL, we'd tested around 8400 people as of yesterday, with 1049 confirmed cases, but those also are very clustered so far: mostly in Chicago (where I am) and Chicago metro -- 519 in Chicago proper, 286 in the rest of Cook County, 79 in DuPage, 69 in Lake, 21 in Will. One thing people brought up elsewhere though is that it may be easier to get testing faster in places with major medical centers, like Chicago and Indy. I certainly think population density is a big part of it, though.
Hope you feel better. I think taking precautions is wise, but there are so many overlaps with regular cold and allergy symptoms, and personally I'm having a hard time sleeping well.
Yesterday I decided to get back to my Calm morning meditation as part of a coping plan, and Calm works by having you focus on breathing. A combination of actually letting myself fully feel my anxiety and sadness vs. pushing it out of my head and focusing hard on my breathing caused a little panic where I was trying to figure out if I were having trouble breathing (I wasn't once the panic passed). Happily today it was much more normal when doing the deep breathing and focus.
(Similarly yesterday when I went running I initially had panicky breathing until I relax and focused on running slowly and working up into my usual pace. Then it was okay.)
I reupped my Calm subscription this morning. Meditation does help anxiety and even if many of us didn't have it before, we're certainly experiencing some now.7 -
ataleforthetimebeing wrote: »A lockdown will save everyone. The govt. can plead people to stay indoor but many will continue to go shopping, to restaurants, to beaches and heaven know where else.
There is also a danger that if everything would come to a halt, small business owners will be devastated.
It is a lose-lose situation for everyone.
A lockdown won't save everyone. It will hopefully reduce the number of serious cases so that medical facilities can either ramp up for the demand or find a better way to treat the serious cases but that is all. I believe people will be dying from this for years after life returns to "normal".
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@BarbaraHelen2013 I've been wanting to pull out and reread The Stand too! I just finished a few Robin Cook (medical thrillers) though they weren't related to an outbreak.3
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Unlike New Zealand's government, the US isn't ensuring that those housebound via disabilities and/or poverty've access to food by delivering rations to us themselves & with grocery delivery not including enough of what I order, I've to rely upon restaurant delivery to survive.
However it's been expensive, nearly ½ of my grocery budget has gone to delivery fees, tips & paying regular prices because I am unable to wait, for something to go upon sale.7 -
ataleforthetimebeing wrote: »A lockdown will save everyone. The govt. can plead people to stay indoor but many will continue to go shopping, to restaurants, to beaches and heaven know where else.
There is also a danger that if everything would come to a halt, small business owners will be devastated.
It is a lose-lose situation for everyone.
A lockdown won't save everyone. It will hopefully reduce the number of serious cases so that medical facilities can either ramp up for the demand or find a better way to treat the serious cases but that is all. I believe people will be dying from this for years after life returns to "normal".
Some are saying that this could cause permanent lung damage.6 -
ataleforthetimebeing wrote: »ataleforthetimebeing wrote: »A lockdown will save everyone. The govt. can plead people to stay indoor but many will continue to go shopping, to restaurants, to beaches and heaven know where else.
There is also a danger that if everything would come to a halt, small business owners will be devastated.
It is a lose-lose situation for everyone.
A lockdown won't save everyone. It will hopefully reduce the number of serious cases so that medical facilities can either ramp up for the demand or find a better way to treat the serious cases but that is all. I believe people will be dying from this for years after life returns to "normal".
Some are saying that this could cause permanent lung damage.
Especially for smokers, that's though if they survive.3 -
To all here in the US, don’t forget to do your census so they don’t have to visit in person. It will save unnecessary exposures.13
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ataleforthetimebeing wrote: »ataleforthetimebeing wrote: »A lockdown will save everyone. The govt. can plead people to stay indoor but many will continue to go shopping, to restaurants, to beaches and heaven know where else.
There is also a danger that if everything would come to a halt, small business owners will be devastated.
It is a lose-lose situation for everyone.
A lockdown won't save everyone. It will hopefully reduce the number of serious cases so that medical facilities can either ramp up for the demand or find a better way to treat the serious cases but that is all. I believe people will be dying from this for years after life returns to "normal".
Some are saying that this could cause permanent lung damage.
I have heard that too but I am unaware if it is credible and, if it is, who and how many are at risk. I don't really focus on the what-ifs. There is nothing I can do beyond what I am already doing so I prefer to remember that, as of now, most people that get it are able to recover at home with no medical intervention necessary.8 -
missysippy930 wrote: »To all here in the US, don’t forget to do your census so they don’t have to visit in person. It will save unnecessary exposures.
I read an editorial that they are talking about postponing the deadline.3 -
traffic hasn't slowed down where I am. I live right on the main federal road and it was typically busy all weekend and today - I'm sitting here in my living room listening to traffic going up and down the road.2
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