Coronavirus prep
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I'll probably be eating out more during this just because I want to help the employees of the local places that can stay open for delivery or carryout or drive through.In IL, we are "shelter in place" but have food delivery. I assume this is to help restaurants get through this.SisterSueGetsFit wrote: »
I mostly have an active imagination. I also have 2 dogs, a taser and a baseball bat. And I live in a pretty safe area. In all seriousness, it’s been an amazing experience. My neighborhood has donated so much and I’m frankly in a little over my head. But, things are starting to go, which is good.
*laughs* I have 5 scaredy cats but I also have a 4 ft long steel replica of Narsil, the 2 elven knives, and the 14 inch long dagger of Aragorn from the LOTR movies - they're dull of course, but still have points and if you swing them hard enough and make yourself look crazy enough while you do it...
That reminds me of the story this blacksmith at the local ren faire told me last year. He said he had lived in the bad part of Detroit for a time and had already had his car broken into a few times. He and his buddies had a guys' movie night and were drinking beer and watching the Highlander movie. They all had replica katanas with them. Later, when he went to bed, he happen to still have his katana in hand (drunk, after all), and set it against his night stand. He was awakened in the middle of the night to see an intruder standing in his bedroom. He said that he was still drunk which explains why he did what he did without thinking about it - he jumped out of bed, grapped his katana and screamed at the intruder "there can be only one!" and then starts chasing the guy down the stairs and out across the lawn, screaming at him the whole time. He swears there was a puddle in the floor where the intruder was standing. He also says that he never had any problems with break ins at all after that.......
My sister works for Krogers and tells me that there's a rumor that Krogers may be paying bonuses to their people who have been working over time to help with the cleaning and all the extra sales. I hope that's true as she could use it. She was working a lot of extra hours last week, but was surprised to see herself only scheduled for 18 this week; she plans on asking about that. I figure even if that's truly what they intended, she's good for coming in when they need someone, so she'll pick up extra hours.
My pastor did decide to have service yesterday morning because he could broadcast over hte local radio, but he greatly emphasized that he wanted the older people to stay home and everyone else to seriously consider what they wanted. I"m the pianist so I did agree to come on in. There were less than 20 folks there, more than the 10, but significantly less than the usual, and with our auditorium being as big as it is, it was very easy to keep people several feet apart, so social distancing was practiced and then some.
His son in law was to help him try to figure out yesterday how to livestream on facebook, though I couldn't tell if it worked or not, as I couldn't figure out how to find a person's live stream
The pastor did admit that perhaps its time he learn to use some of this newer technology......
He and his wife's tunes have drastically changed about this closing church services down. Last week he was reluctant to do it and even an little defiant about it; this week, he canceled Wednesday service, had Sunday morning service because he could broadcast it, and did not open the church doors for Sunday evening service but tried to live stream it. Talking to his wife, I found out why: he has a good preacher friend in NC who picked this up at a youth rally and is now hospitalized, and another good preacher friend who has it up next to DC. I think that made it hit home for him how serious this is and how easy it is to spread. His wife's attitude had greatly changed since last Sunday and she's really behind the social distancing now.
Though I"m going to have to get used to calling this COVID-19 instead of coronavirus. My sister *sigh* was going on yesterday how one of her coworkers had it back in January and got very indignant when I tried to explain that she didn't have this; my sister was trying to insist it was a different form of this and would not listen when I tried to explain that technically, coronavirus is the name of a class of viruses and that there are many different coronaviruses out there that have been out there for years and that the human body is used to dealing with, but that this one is a brand new one called COVID-19......*sigh*7 -
Went on a hike with my son and wife yesterday at Catalina State Park. Around a 3 mile trail. Everyone was very nice (though there wasn't a lot on the trail) about keeping their distance as the trail is only wide enough for one group at a time, so people would step off by six to eight feet and let the other group go by. It was a lovely day. I tried to carry my wife over a small creek. At 55 years old, didn't go terribly well. Didn't help that my son and wife were laughing so hard and I was sinking in the sand as I crossed.
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I pray that Italy seems to be finally downticking in the number of new cases. Don't get me wrong, their death toll per day is horrid, but over the weekend, they had 15% less new cases on Sunday from Saturday, which is a very good sign that their country's lockdown had a huge effect. Not in time for the first wave of huge numbers, but it's now working, weeks later.7 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »New Zealand is now at Level 3 for the next 48 hours (to allow essential services to get ready), and then we are Level 4 for the next four weeks. That's pretty much total shut down. No restaurants, bars, takeaways. Just supermarkets, pharmacies, medical centres, things like that.
It's one scientist's opinion that the U.S. should be on immediate total lockdown (with the exception of outings for true essentials - food and medical care) for five weeks. That seems a more reasonable approach for the U.S. to take as a nation than the states taking individual approaches that may be drawn out for who knows how long, and with increasing restrictions only as they see that lesser restrictions aren't working. But, I'm no scientist, and a lot of people are chaffing at the restrictions already in place.
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Today there are fewer cases in Northern Italy, so they're hoping for a downward trend. The Russian airplanes are landing with cargo for us--masks, ventilators, and doctors. The trucks that were exiting the cargo holds had 2 hearts painted on the doors--one was the Italian flag, the other Russian. We've had doctors arrive from Cuba, and the Chinese are shipping us masks, ventilators, etc.... Masks will be distributed--10 per family this Wednesday, at a Chinese Evangelical Church 2 blocks from us. Lines at supermarkets are long. There are roadblocks outside Rome to stop people from going to the beach or country.21
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Parks and trails are being shut down in Southern California because too many people showed up and were crowding together. Um, you can exercise outside if you stay apart! Just being outside is not going to protect you in and of itself.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »SisterSueGetsFit wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »SisterSueGetsFit wrote: »I started a “Free Little Food Shelf” today. Community donations have been great. Not too many takers so far, but I hope that changes. I’m in Minnesota, USA.
Honestly curious -- what's your rain contingency plan? There looks to be a lot of paper and cardboard packaging that wouldn't withstand a serious shower.
It’s a good question. I’ll move it inside. I move it in each night. If things get desperate, it’ll all go to a food shelf, because frankly, I don’t want my house broken into. I’ll post a sign when it’s gone.
And I’ve Individually wrapped the TP in Saran Wrap. 😉
Oh, I hadn't even thought about the night. I guess you don't want to attract raccoons or whatever fills that ecological niche in your neck of the woods. I hope you've started getting some takers as well as donations.
I don't think we've yet reached the point of societal breakdown where home invasions are more likely than they ever were, and I sure hope we don't ever reach that point. So far, in the past week since things the government officials in my neck of the woods started taking some serious action, almost all the people I've communicated with (online or at a suitable distance IRL) have seemed to be making extra efforts to be friendly, compassionate, etc. -- everybody saying "stay safe, stay healthy," being careful not to touch each other when they hand over a bag or make a payment in a retail location, giving each other distance when more than one person is waiting to pick up carryout, and looking for ways to help.
My local shelter has started something similar for pet food. They have bins in a protected area near the doors and you can drip off donations or pick up food if you need some.3 -
A lockdown will save everyone. The govt. can plead people to stay indoor but many will continue to go shopping, to restaurants, to beaches and heaven know where else.
There is also a danger that if everything would come to a halt, small business owners will be devastated.
It is a lose-lose situation for everyone.7 -
ataleforthetimebeing wrote: »A lockdown will save everyone. The govt. can plead people to stay indoor but many will continue to go shopping, to restaurants, to beaches and heaven know where else.
There is also a danger that if everything would come to a halt, small business owners will be devastated.
It is a lose-lose situation for everyone.
It’s logistically impossible to shut down EVERYTHING.
Look at the beaches in CA where people are defying orders.
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Yesterday I started rereading the novel Domesday Book, by Connie Willis, which I read back in the late '90s. (My impulse here is much like all those rewatching Contagion.)
What I had remembered about the book (written in '92) was that it was set in the future (2054) where time travel is possible, and that there were two contagious disease events -- one in the 2054 events (some sort of virus, is what is initially known) and the Black Death (time traveller). I won't go into how they are connected as I don't want to spoil more than I have.
What I did not recall was that part of the backstory for the book's world is that earlier in the century there was a huge Pandemic killing some huge number of people worldwide and a disproportionate 30 million in the US. (Early in the book, which is set in the UK, specifically at Oxford, some US tourists are furious about getting stuck there in a quarantine and insist that could never happen in the US, at which a local character muses that that's why so many in the US died in the Pandemic.)
I am not actually convinced the US and UK responses look to be so different, but a rather eery read right now, more than expected when I was planning just for the Plague and the 2054 mystery virus.8 -
One good thing I see is that as more cases in the US are being reported, the over all percentage of those that are dying are dropping - this morning the John Hopkins map showed the use with 475 dead in 35,345 cases - that's 1.3% of the cases, which is going down from last week when it was 1.8%. Its horrible that anyone is dying, but so far in the US, the fatalities in comparison to the total cases is staying down. I take that as a positive sign that what we are doing is working, despite the people who don't take it serious.
I do realize though, that a lot of this is because we're getting more and more people tested and that if the total number of cases being hospitalized shoots up dramatically, that ratio will change for the worst.
I'm glad to see more people taking this seriously now, but I'm also seeing more people starting to panic - or at least the ones who are usually prone to panicking about this sort of thing are starting to panic when before, we were pretty isolated from it; now that is getting closer to here, those folks are beginning to become anxious (like my sister for instance).
I ran some math numbers for my mother yesterday which I hope she understood and took to heart: if you have 50% of the some 330 million people in the US get this, with 10% of that number being hospitalized for serious cases, you have some 16.5 million people needing extreme care. If only 1% of those people die from this, that's still 165,000 people. And yet there are still some people who claim this isn't any worse than the flu!
Granted, I understand that not all that 50% are going to get it at once - or at least, as I told mom, that's what all this social distancing and shut-downs are trying to prevent from happening.7 -
missysippy930 wrote: »A question for states that have shelter in place in effect, ie: California, if people are going to beaches, are arrests being made for violations? Many, maybe all, states have only essential businesses open, with no formal, shelter in place, mandate. What’s the difference?
On the bright side, no one probably wants to visit beaches here for at least 6-8 weeks at the earliest, when it will be warm enough.
No. At least not in the Manhattan Beach/Hermosa Beach/Redondo Beach area. I don't think people should be arrested, but I do think maybe the police who drive by routinely on the bike path may want to occasionally issue a verbal reminder to some of the larger groups. Or maybe one of the lifeguards could walk the 3 feet from the big lifeguard station and suggest to the 50 or so people gathered around the building with their gym equipment that they need to separate a few feet from each other.
It's a little cold and rainy still so that is keeping the crowds down.
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Indiana update!
Tested: 1,960
Confirmed: 259
Deaths: 7
The cases are for sure clustered so far. You have Lake County which is the most North West county right there by Chicago. Then you have Marion County (where I work) which is where Indianapolis is along with some surrounding counties including the one I live in. So I am actually in a hot spot right now in the state. Wonderful. Great. Awesome.
I put in an Instacart order for Friday. Just for a handful of items I would like to have like fresh fruit and veggies. Will I get it all? I doubt it, but I had to try. I can't get out early during the week and I really don't want to try and do a weekend morning for my own health.
Plus... I may be getting sick. Hard to tell because I have horrible allergies and I know THOSE are picking up. But I slept a TON yesterday and am still feeling so fatigued today. Then again, I also have chronic fatigue so... It stinks. I am going to treat this as me getting ill and take precautions. No fever, but I have read a few stories where people have a cough, sore throat, and the like before getting the fever so can't really use that to be sure.11 -
Indiana update!
Tested: 1,960
Confirmed: 259
Deaths: 7
The cases are for sure clustered so far. You have Lake County which is the most North West county right there by Chicago. Then you have Marion County (where I work) which is where Indianapolis is along with some surrounding counties including the one I live in. So I am actually in a hot spot right now in the state. Wonderful. Great. Awesome.
Here in IL, we'd tested around 8400 people as of yesterday, with 1049 confirmed cases, but those also are very clustered so far: mostly in Chicago (where I am) and Chicago metro -- 519 in Chicago proper, 286 in the rest of Cook County, 79 in DuPage, 69 in Lake, 21 in Will. One thing people brought up elsewhere though is that it may be easier to get testing faster in places with major medical centers, like Chicago and Indy. I certainly think population density is a big part of it, though.
Hope you feel better. I think taking precautions is wise, but there are so many overlaps with regular cold and allergy symptoms, and personally I'm having a hard time sleeping well.
Yesterday I decided to get back to my Calm morning meditation as part of a coping plan, and Calm works by having you focus on breathing. A combination of actually letting myself fully feel my anxiety and sadness vs. pushing it out of my head and focusing hard on my breathing caused a little panic where I was trying to figure out if I were having trouble breathing (I wasn't once the panic passed). Happily today it was much more normal when doing the deep breathing and focus.
(Similarly yesterday when I went running I initially had panicky breathing until I relax and focused on running slowly and working up into my usual pace. Then it was okay.)8 -
Yesterday I started rereading the novel Domesday Book, by Connie Willis, which I read back in the late '90s. (My impulse here is much like all those rewatching Contagion.)
What I had remembered about the book (written in '92) was that it was set in the future (2054) where time travel is possible, and that there were two contagious disease events -- one in the 2054 events (some sort of virus, is what is initially known) and the Black Death (time traveller). I won't go into how they are connected as I don't want to spoil more than I have.
What I did not recall was that part of the backstory for the book's world is that earlier in the century there was a huge Pandemic killing some huge number of people worldwide and a disproportionate 30 million in the US. (Early in the book, which is set in the UK, specifically at Oxford, some US tourists are furious about getting stuck there in a quarantine and insist that could never happen in the US, at which a local character muses that that's why so many in the US died in the Pandemic.)
I am not actually convinced the US and UK responses look to be so different, but a rather eery read right now, more than expected when I was planning just for the Plague and the 2054 mystery virus.
In the same vein I’ve just dug out my much read tattered copy of Stephen King’s ‘The Stand’. First read it when it was published in 1978, have re-read it maybe 3 times over the years. Just thought it would be interesting to read it now, with a slightly different perspective than previously.
Some chilling similarities so far, specifically the passages about the silent spread from casual contact in shops, gas stations, mail delivery etc which send out myriads of infection points, all on separate trajectories from every encounter. 😱5 -
MD issued non-essential business closed @ 5pm today.2
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MD - Hogan put this into effect this morning, 11 am - all non essential businesses to close.1
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JustSomeEm wrote: »
10ish today.. Hogan was doing his briefings.
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Antiopelle wrote: »An update from Belgium where we are now in our second week of lockdown:
All hospitals have prepared like crazy: all routine exams have been cancelled, and the number of ICU beds have almost doubled overnight. We already had an exellent healthcare system, and we are preparing for the worst which we do expect in 2 weeks. We have also asked pensioners and other non-active healthcare providers to become active again.
Economically, the government has taken steps to allow all the people who cannot work anymore because of covid to receive a grant to overcome the first months of unemployment. Even the electricity / heating and water bills will be covered for the first month for people who don't have a job and steps are taken to allow a delay in payment of mortgages and home rental fees. Small businesses will qualify for a 0% interest loan. We now also have a special department who matches people who are suddenly without a job with businesses who are in desperate need. For example, large farming companies normally depend on seasonal workers from abroad to harvest asparagus and strawberries. We try to have this done with local people to avoid large quantities of food going to waste.
We plan to be in further lockdown for about 8 more weeks, so we desperately needed some hope on the economical front.
Hoarding is still happening, but certainly not on the scale I read here, as it is happening in the US. All supermarkets are still well stocked although it is a logistical nightmare. Hubbie is working for a big retailer and he is clocking a lot of extra hours (from home) to make it happen. On top of this, although he has a high managerial job, he will volunteer to go stocking shelves one day a week. We are all hoping the hoarding will stop at a certain point.
What we also see is a lot of solidarity: the Red Cross functions as a logistical touchpoint where people who are bored out of their minds can help with doing chores like grocery shopping for nurses, calling eldery who are solitary, etc... Some IT guys have developed a platform in 3 days where volunteers can also help out in hospitals and elderly homes - on on weekend 5.000 volunteers have registered. Large telecom companies have upped the data volume for all households free of charge. And apart for the occasional slip-up here and there, people are staying inside their homes and following official guidelines. No weddings, parties, funerals, etc... everything is postponed and we are adjusting pretty well with these restrictions.
Kind of similar in Austria/Vienna. Not many people on the streets, but people still walk, bike, and hike (keeping the distance). Grocery stores are well stocked and no hoarding. Schools, universities, restaurants, bars, museums, theaters, and non-essential businesses are closed. Buses and u-bahn are pretty empty. But people are helping each other and it's rather calm. For now we are on the lockdown for four more weeks, but this will most likely be extended...3 -
Stay at Home Order declared in Indiana. Just announced by the Governor. Non- Essential business will be closed. It takes effect end of day tomorrow and goes through April 6. This also includes all government offices so I will be work from home until at least then.2
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missysippy930 wrote: »A question for states that have shelter in place in effect, ie: California, if people are going to beaches, are arrests being made for violations? Many, maybe all, states have only essential businesses open, with no formal, shelter in place, mandate. What’s the difference?
On the bright side, no one probably wants to visit beaches here for at least 6-8 weeks at the earliest, when it will be warm enough.
No. At least not in the Manhattan Beach/Hermosa Beach/Redondo Beach area. I don't think people should be arrested, but I do think maybe the police who drive by routinely on the bike path may want to occasionally issue a verbal reminder to some of the larger groups. Or maybe one of the lifeguards could walk the 3 feet from the big lifeguard station and suggest to the 50 or so people gathered around the building with their gym equipment that they need to separate a few feet from each other.
It's a little cold and rainy still so that is keeping the crowds down.
We have drones patrolling some of our beaches in Italy now. They hover over people and tell them to distance and that they are supposed to be at home.7 -
Thanks - I could have googled, I guess. I just read the release, and he is still allowing restaurants to provide take-out/delivery services, along with a whole host of other businesses... There are so many exceptions that it doesn't seem as if as many are affected as could be...2
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snowflake954 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »A question for states that have shelter in place in effect, ie: California, if people are going to beaches, are arrests being made for violations? Many, maybe all, states have only essential businesses open, with no formal, shelter in place, mandate. What’s the difference?
On the bright side, no one probably wants to visit beaches here for at least 6-8 weeks at the earliest, when it will be warm enough.
No. At least not in the Manhattan Beach/Hermosa Beach/Redondo Beach area. I don't think people should be arrested, but I do think maybe the police who drive by routinely on the bike path may want to occasionally issue a verbal reminder to some of the larger groups. Or maybe one of the lifeguards could walk the 3 feet from the big lifeguard station and suggest to the 50 or so people gathered around the building with their gym equipment that they need to separate a few feet from each other.
It's a little cold and rainy still so that is keeping the crowds down.
We have drones patrolling some of our beaches in Italy now. They hover over people and tell them to distance and that they are supposed to be at home.
While I understand and agree with the action, the mental image of that is just creepy as *kitten*.4 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »
I went out both Saturday and Sunday -- I had errands, but it had the feel of what in my youth was called "going for a Sunday drive," where you piled into the car and just drove someplace, maybe looking at houses or flowers or scenery in a more rural area ... No need to have human contact that could spread a virus just because you get in your car for a drive.
Generally the roads are a lot less busy around here. However, yesterday I went for a run in the state forest. There's a gravel road that leads back into the mountains. There's not much to see but trees and a small creek, and it seems mostly to be a hunting/fishing area in season. Normally when I run there, I'll see 1 or 2 cars an hour. Yesteday I saw 18 during my 8 mile run. Nobody on foot, though there were a couple of cars parked there, so presumably someone was running or biking. I just never saw them. I figured it would be a lot less populated than the state park or running in town. I was right.1 -
JustSomeEm wrote: »Thanks - I could have googled, I guess. I just read the release, and he is still allowing restaurants to provide take-out/delivery services, along with a whole host of other businesses... There are so many exceptions that it doesn't seem as if as many are affected as could be...
Apparently American officials have decided to "split the difference," by keeping open what businesses they can while keeping home as many people as they can--balancing economic and medical concerns. I guess only time will tell if that strategy is worthwhile. I think it gives folks a mixed message and is not completely consistent with CDC recommendations. But IF it works, then the economic impact will be worth it. I don't know that the economic benefit is worth risking more lives, though.
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WI to get a "Safer At Home" order tomorrow. Fewer business will be open--also mentions the need for folks to limit interactions to the same people, not different small groups. Good. Some people do not seem to get that distinction.
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spiriteagle99 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »
I went out both Saturday and Sunday -- I had errands, but it had the feel of what in my youth was called "going for a Sunday drive," where you piled into the car and just drove someplace, maybe looking at houses or flowers or scenery in a more rural area ... No need to have human contact that could spread a virus just because you get in your car for a drive.
Generally the roads are a lot less busy around here. However, yesterday I went for a run in the state forest. There's a gravel road that leads back into the mountains. There's not much to see but trees and a small creek, and it seems mostly to be a hunting/fishing area in season. Normally when I run there, I'll see 1 or 2 cars an hour. Yesteday I saw 18 during my 8 mile run. Nobody on foot, though there were a couple of cars parked there, so presumably someone was running or biking. I just never saw them. I figured it would be a lot less populated than the state park or running in town. I was right.
Re the bolded, I've noticed that where I am too. Normally my house street is quite busy throughout the day as it's a main thoroughfare for multiple subdivisions. I walked out to retrieve our trashcan this morning, and there wasn't a single car as far as I could see in either direction. It was a little eerie.
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Hi All ...
NY is on “pause” here. The city streets are mostly bare. Our convention center - the Javits center is being converted into a field hospital. For some seeing the Army or National Guard is alarming.. it is surreal, but I’m happy they are being engaged to help the efforts here.
The virus just hit home in a bigger way for me - One of my closest friends has contracted it. She is on a ventilator here in NYC. Taking it day by day and taking all precautions... what else is there to do?28 -
Indiana update!
Tested: 1,960
Confirmed: 259
Deaths: 7
The cases are for sure clustered so far. You have Lake County which is the most North West county right there by Chicago. Then you have Marion County (where I work) which is where Indianapolis is along with some surrounding counties including the one I live in. So I am actually in a hot spot right now in the state. Wonderful. Great. Awesome.
Here in IL, we'd tested around 8400 people as of yesterday, with 1049 confirmed cases, but those also are very clustered so far: mostly in Chicago (where I am) and Chicago metro -- 519 in Chicago proper, 286 in the rest of Cook County, 79 in DuPage, 69 in Lake, 21 in Will. One thing people brought up elsewhere though is that it may be easier to get testing faster in places with major medical centers, like Chicago and Indy. I certainly think population density is a big part of it, though.
Hope you feel better. I think taking precautions is wise, but there are so many overlaps with regular cold and allergy symptoms, and personally I'm having a hard time sleeping well.
Yesterday I decided to get back to my Calm morning meditation as part of a coping plan, and Calm works by having you focus on breathing. A combination of actually letting myself fully feel my anxiety and sadness vs. pushing it out of my head and focusing hard on my breathing caused a little panic where I was trying to figure out if I were having trouble breathing (I wasn't once the panic passed). Happily today it was much more normal when doing the deep breathing and focus.
(Similarly yesterday when I went running I initially had panicky breathing until I relax and focused on running slowly and working up into my usual pace. Then it was okay.)
I reupped my Calm subscription this morning. Meditation does help anxiety and even if many of us didn't have it before, we're certainly experiencing some now.7 -
ataleforthetimebeing wrote: »A lockdown will save everyone. The govt. can plead people to stay indoor but many will continue to go shopping, to restaurants, to beaches and heaven know where else.
There is also a danger that if everything would come to a halt, small business owners will be devastated.
It is a lose-lose situation for everyone.
A lockdown won't save everyone. It will hopefully reduce the number of serious cases so that medical facilities can either ramp up for the demand or find a better way to treat the serious cases but that is all. I believe people will be dying from this for years after life returns to "normal".
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