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moonangel12 wrote: »
That’s my question... because, I admit quite selfishly, I don’t want to use my pretty fabric if they are just going to be tossedbmeadows380 wrote: »@AnnPT77 my pastor just put out a call saying his wife is asking church members to help her make masks based upon a few patterns she's found online. Are these masks considered disposable, or can they be washed and re-used, or bleached or something?
I have a resource for quite a bit of older fabric I was told I could have, though!
ETA: thanks for the added info! I was posting and hubby came in from work so there was a few minutes lag, enough time for others to chime in!
My mother and I were just laughing yesterday about people making fabric masks. We're pretty sure every quilter on the planet of Earth is probably chortling about how this is the time they've been waiting for all their lives--a deep societal need for items made from all the fabric remnants they've been stashing for years!
I know the introverts thought this was their time to shine, but it looks like it's the quilters that are going to save the world!
Being a crafter myself, I feel like the Venn diagram of quilters and introverts has a pretty decent-sized overlap.
There are a bunch of introverts who don't quilt . . . but my experience suggests that quite a fraction of quilters are introverts.
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cmriverside wrote: »I think quite a lot is being withheld from the public in the U.S. How is it that we have 68,000 reported positive tests yet only 995 deaths?
I don't believe either of those numbers. I think they are both much higher.
In addition to another posters note that it can take 2 weeks or so for someone who has covid19 to become critical, we haven't hit peak yet. As long as hospitals aren't overwhelmed, I'd guess they are better able to pay the kind of attention required to give critical patients the best chance at survival. If many US hospitals get overwhelmed, unfortunately I think that ratio will change for the worse.
I was reading a post on Twitter from a doctor in his 30s who tested positive and ended up needing to be admitted and several times needed oxygen, but avoided going on a ventilator. He said based on his experience as a doctor, he knew that there were two instances when he suddenly could not breathe and had to hit the call button for the nurse to administer oxygen, and if there hadn't been a good nurse to patient ratio at the time, or if he had been sent home from an overwhelmed hospital because of his youth, both instances probably would've killed him. Instead thankfully he recovered!15 -
Speaking of bleach, does everyone know it has about a six month shelf life before it expires?1
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cmriverside wrote: »Speaking of bleach, does everyone know it has about a six month shelf life before it expires?
So you're saying in garages full of containers of bleach and packages of TP, it's the bleach that will look like a bad purchase first?
BTW I did not know bleach expires. The more you know...0 -
cmriverside wrote: »Speaking of bleach, does everyone know it has about a six month shelf life before it expires?
So you're saying in garages full of containers of bleach and packages of TP, it's the bleach that will look like a bad purchase first?
BTW I did not know bleach expires. The more you know...
I didn't know either. Apparently it breaks down to salts and water...I'm using some that is God-knows-how-old, I couldn't find an EX date on it, or I couldn't decipher the one that's stamped on it.
If anything happens to me, you'll know why.5 -
cmriverside wrote: »Speaking of bleach, does everyone know it has about a six month shelf life before it expires?
Also the color safe bleach is not effective for sanitizing, the concentration is too low. You need to use the regular stuff.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »[
Russia only has 800 or so cases right now (only about 100 more cases than were on one cruise ship, the Diamond Princess) and 3 deaths, with a population nearly twice that of Germany (about 44,000 cases/267 deaths) and about three times that of South Korea (about 9,000 cases/139 deaths).
I just noticed that on the Johns Hopkins covid tracker site, and got curious how they were handling it. There's an interesting New Yorker piece speculating on whether they're just lucky or doing a great job.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/why-is-russias-coronavirus-case-count-so-low
Russia is lying. And/or not testing. He would not be locking down the country if they had this contained.
That's actually what any sensible country with low numbers should be doing right now. Actually, what every country should be doing full stop.
New Zealand has 368 cases as of yesterday, with no deaths (but our first severe ICU case). We went into lockdown three days ago. Are we lying too?
Not saying Russia's numbers don't seem sketchy, but your statement about lockdown is way off.15 -
cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »Speaking of bleach, does everyone know it has about a six month shelf life before it expires?
So you're saying in garages full of containers of bleach and packages of TP, it's the bleach that will look like a bad purchase first?
BTW I did not know bleach expires. The more you know...
I didn't know either. Apparently it breaks down to salts and water...I'm using some that is God-knows-how-old, I couldn't find an EX date on it, or I couldn't decipher the one that's stamped on it.
If anything happens to me, you'll know why.
I teach microbiology labs, and this would make a great experiment
. When we can get back into the labs, that is. 6 -
cmriverside wrote: »Speaking of bleach, does everyone know it has about a six month shelf life before it expires?
Chlorine bleach, standard commercial type, still removes color when it's years old - or so personal experience suggests. Is the disinfectant quality separate?
Not trying to be argumentative, truly confused.13 -
Introvert quilter here. Wave. Donating these masks to my local hospital. Once you get rolling on making these it gets faster Lol18
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moonangel12 wrote: »
That’s my question... because, I admit quite selfishly, I don’t want to use my pretty fabric if they are just going to be tossedbmeadows380 wrote: »@AnnPT77 my pastor just put out a call saying his wife is asking church members to help her make masks based upon a few patterns she's found online. Are these masks considered disposable, or can they be washed and re-used, or bleached or something? I have a resource for quite a bit of older fabric I was told I could have, though!
ETA: thanks for the added info! I was posting and hubby came in from work so there was a few minutes lag, enough time for others to chime in!
My mother and I were just laughing yesterday about people making fabric masks. We're pretty sure every quilter on the planet of Earth is probably chortling about how this is the time they've been waiting for all their lives--a deep societal need for items made from all the fabric remnants they've been stashing for years!
I know the introverts thought this was their time to shine, but it looks like it's the quilters that are going to save the world!
Being a crafter myself, I feel like the Venn diagram of quilters and introverts has a pretty decent-sized overlap.
There are a bunch of introverts who don't quilt . . . but my experience suggests that quite a fraction of quilters are introverts.
Introvert quilter here as well!L1zardQueen wrote: »Introvert quilter here. Wave. Donating these masks to my local hospital. Once you get rolling on making these it gets faster Lol
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I don't think I saw an update from CA here today and here are my impressions after both Governor Newsome and Mayor Garcetti commented during a press conference this afternoon. I didn't take notes on some of the details but I think I have it close.
Once again I’m both grateful and proud to be born and raised in CA. While so many places in the country are behind the curve in preparations for the surge in COVID-19 cases our State and Counties here have been preparing since that first plane full of passengers was quarantined at March Air Reserve Base.
I just finished watching a news conference with our Governor and the Mayor of LA, standing in front of the USNS Mercy at the Port of Los Angeles and wow, is it impressive.
Governor Newsome was very appreciative of the assistance of the Federal Government and FEMA as well as President Trump. We have 8 field stations and now the Mercy to help with the surge of patients expected here in the next 6 to 12 days. We’ve also increased the bed capacity at all the hospitals by cancelling all elective surgeries and turning two vacant hospitals into active ones again. They’re still procuring staff and equipment for one and working on another one or two locations I think he said.
We had in LA a 26% increase in positive tests in one day and while our numbers seem low compared to a few other states, we have 4,000 people in hospitals waiting for results who are highly suspected of being positive. In my county we’ve gone from 16 cases last Wed to 151 today. 107 yesterday with most of the new cases in the Western part of Riverside County where I live. The county is going to update their website sometime this afternoon with ages and actual city locations which will be helpful for us. Right now we’re still going out once a week for groceries but we can stop that if we have to.
Our biggest problem here seems to be testing. We’ve so far tested about 88,000 people but some of the results are taking as long as 6 or 7 days to get back to us. We also have a severe shortage of testing materials such as swabs.
Procurement of PPE is on going and right now we’re in good shape but will probably be short in the weeks to come so Newsome is being very aggressive about that. It’s amazing the numbers that are going to be needed.
Anyway, I’m glad he was so aggressive in shutting us down early and continuing his and everyone elses efforts in procurement and preparedness. Maybe we won’t need it all, that’s my hope. It’s hard to watch what’s going on elsewhere in the country.
Hope you all stay healthy and well this weekend. We’re taking a drive down to the beach and having a picnic in the car while we watch the waves from somewhere to be determined. 😉
**Edited to add that we now have 185 positive in Riverside, CA.6 -
CA currently has 3879 positive tests, with 78 deaths. Given the number of deaths I think the positives are low. There are a ton of pending tests and only about 21,000 completed tests.
Flipping through states not reported on recently, I see 64 deaths in GA, 119 in LA (related to the NO outbreak, no doubt), 35 in MD, 92 in MI (that's awful, I didn't know that, and the testing looks really low, suggesting many more positives than currently reported), and 108 in NJ.7 -
CA currently has 3879 positive tests, with 78 deaths. Given the number of deaths I think the positives are low. There are a ton of pending tests and only about 21,000 completed tests.
Flipping through states not reported on recently, I see 64 deaths in GA, 119 in LA (related to the NO outbreak, no doubt), 35 in MD, 92 in MI (that's awful, I didn't know that, and the testing looks really low, suggesting many more positives than currently reported), and 108 in NJ.
You’re right about CA. True number around 45,000~ makes more sense
The other states, barring MD are in that range or higher given this is exponential and not linear.
I’m hopeful that there are effects to this virus we don’t fully understand - we know that in some cases high heat and humidity can reduce its Ro but it hasn’t been consistent. Maybe CA has those two things and something else too2 -
My cousin in IL had two people in the ER die of acute respiratory failure after being intubated (I think that’s the correct terminology? I myself am not in the medical field), but neither were tested. Not sure if it’s the same hospital my uncle was admitted to, twice, for COVID symptoms and sent home without being tested. I don’t know if it saddens, angers, or scares me that testing just isn’t being done like it should be
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snowflake954 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »How did Germany anticipate this well enough to have a good supply of tests available? Availability of the tests seems to be a major problem, at least in the US.
THAT my dear is everyone's question. Or they are prepared for this. Most governments were caught with their pants down and no plan. I don't understand it because at least 15 years ago The Center for Disease Control in Atlanta was working on the possibility of an unstoppable virus. I read many articles on the topic and how they went into remote areas of the world to collect samples to try and stay ahead of any virus. What happened? I am dissapoint.
There was an interview on NPR the other day that speaks to this, to some extent. (It's an interview with Max Brooks, author of "World War Z" (Zombie book!), but also a real-life disaster planning expert.)
I've tinyurl-ed the link because the link is basically the headline, and and the headline is too click-bait-y for my taste. The interview was interesting and provocative, but I won't go much further to claim that it's authoritative. Use your own judgement. It's not specifically partisan politics, but there is very strong criticism of US actions, not all of it aimed at the current administration.
I promise this links to Fresh Air at NPR.
https://tinyurl.com/thv86y2
ETA: I know it's long (41 minutes), but I recommend the full audio interview over the summary text version. It's more nuanced, among other reasons. Your favorite podcast app may have Fresh Air; this was the Max Brooks interview, broadcast on (IIRC) 3/24.
Thanks for the NPR link. I’m afraid of what a reckoning might look like if current camps blindly hold onto their own views. That is to stay, if they don’t listen to Max Brooks’ last line.
Reminds me of Michael Lewis’ The Fifth Risk.....scary4 -
IL has actually been pretty proactive in testing and has been testing a bunch since we got the tests to do that. IL currently has done 21,576 tests, which is only behind CA, FL, MA, NY, PA, TX, and WA. Plus, positives per test in IL are 14%, vs 18% in CA, 9% in FL, 11% in MA, 35% in NJ, 31% in NY, 10% in PA, 7% in TX, and 7% in WA. That suggests that FL, MA, PA, and TX have been testing even more without serious symptoms, but that CA, and esp NJ and NY have been testing fewer as a percentage of those who may have it. WA, of course, had the earliest outbreak so has been testing longer.1
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SummerSkier wrote: »I find it interesting and disheartening that in a time of global crisis, the US can turn even a pandemic into a bipartisan argument. It literally breaks my heart to hear folks say "this is no worse than the flu" on one hand and have another describing to me what his wife is going thru in ICU right now.
If this doesn't bring our country together than nothing will. And for that I blame all the politicians of whatever proclivity. Thank God for local officials Mayors and Governors who want to save lives.
To give you some hope: here in Belgium we had elections in May 2019 (yes, almost a year ago !!!) and up till now we weren’t able to form a government as the country was so divided, no coalition of parties were able to form a majority.
But as soon as Corona hit our country, politicians were able to set aside their differences to form a sort of ‘war government’ dealing with the crisis and they are doing a great job!
Just to say that it CAN bring people and even politicians together. To get the work done in a coordinated way.
Also, the general public has suddenly a high sense of solidarity. The most recent example: a hotel with all empty rooms is opening its doors to the homeless to get them off the streets during the freezing nights!
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »[
Russia only has 800 or so cases right now (only about 100 more cases than were on one cruise ship, the Diamond Princess) and 3 deaths, with a population nearly twice that of Germany (about 44,000 cases/267 deaths) and about three times that of South Korea (about 9,000 cases/139 deaths).
I just noticed that on the Johns Hopkins covid tracker site, and got curious how they were handling it. There's an interesting New Yorker piece speculating on whether they're just lucky or doing a great job.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/why-is-russias-coronavirus-case-count-so-low
Russia is lying. And/or not testing. He would not be locking down the country if they had this contained.
Yes, it was such an odd outlier on the face of the numbers that I wondered if it was artifact of how the numbers were being obtained or something to do with an authoritarian regime, which certainly helped China in how it has supposedly gotten it under control. Apparently very little direct travel between China and Russia, which I guess could mean the virus took a little more time to arrive in Russia, as it had to go the long way around. Just posted it because of another poster saying Germany and South Korea had "fared far better than anyone else in this," and when I looked at the numbers on the JHU site, Russia's numbers popped out as actually being better.
Interested in all the other possibilities people are raising. I think lying and not testing can go hand-in-hand. You can suppress the truth by not letting adequate testing be done, and then you record a general cause of death like respiratory or heart failure, without describing it as a complication of some specific disease.7 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »Spoke too soon. After 2 days of a downward trend in new cases, the North jumped again. Sigh.
Do you hear any reasons why Germany has a much lower death rate than Italy?
Because Germany has been way more proactive in testing and tracking, not just social distancing and shutting things down. The last I checked, Germany was testing 160K + per day and immediately quarantining those infected and then tracing their movements and contacts and quarantining those individuals as well. From what I understand in Italy, it was much the same as the USA...an early laissez faire approach and attitude and only really testing when people are symptomatic to leave a whole bunch of non symptomatic people who are infected running around and infecting others
South Korea had the same general approach as Germany, and both of those countries have fared far better than anyone else in this.
Russia only has 800 or so cases right now (only about 100 more cases than were on one cruise ship, the Diamond Princess) and 3 deaths, with a population nearly twice that of Germany (about 44,000 cases/267 deaths) and about three times that of South Korea (about 9,000 cases/139 deaths).
I just noticed that on the Johns Hopkins covid tracker site, and got curious how they were handling it. There's an interesting New Yorker piece speculating on whether they're just lucky or doing a great job.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/why-is-russias-coronavirus-case-count-so-low
Or cooking the books.
I assume that Russia has tighter controls on who goes in and out of the country, and is in a better position to force someone who arrives in the country to be tested and effectively quarantined. That, the state controlled media, and the vast sparsely populated areas would IMHO make it likely to be one of the last European countries to show outwardly obvious signs of clusters and overwhelm. Just my barely informed view from across the pond though!
I'd be inclined to agree on the cooking the books. While I completely disagree with my best friend who thinks all the numbers are bogus and being ramped high to scare the world into crashing the economy (we have agreed to disagree on this one), I also don't believe all the numbers I see, such as the numbers given for Iran. I don't trust anything coming from a regime known to lie in the past and to oppress their people. (not meant to start a political discussion!) And as we've seen here in the US, it also depends on how well and how many people they are testing. WE know the actual number of cases in the US is already higher because of the lack of testing and the restraints that many states are putting on testing - such as only testing those with symptoms or, as in the case in WV, only testing those with symptoms that are life threatening.
Just curious: Do you think Iran is overreporting or underreporting?
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