Coronavirus prep
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »I mentioned a couple days ago that Washington is testing people from home using a mail-in self-administered test that is obtained through a website affiliated with King County and the Seattle Flu project. https://publichealthinsider.com/2020/03/23/introducing-scan-the-greater-seattle-coronavirus-assessment-network/
I don't know how they are choosing who to test. It does appear from DOH reporting that there are more tests being done on older people - I'm going to presume that's either because more are presenting to hospital in significant distress OR they are choosing to test more older people to get a handle on the coming tsunami. A representative sampling would make me feel better, but I suspect a lot of this is about testing the waters, so to speak. To prepare the infrastructure.
Either way. There are a lot of younger people testing positive in the population.
We're gonna be locked down for a while.
Stay safe everyone.
I wouldn't think they would be using mail-in self-administered tests on people who present to a hospital. I would think that they would be more for people who call or video chat with their doctors and are deemed to be possibly infected but not sick enough to come to the hospital, so they tell them to stay home and mail them the test, and they mail it back. Maybe I'm missing something.
That's not what I said. It appears these are neither, though I'm not sure what the requirements are, they are taking the applications by web only and so far every morning when I've tried to become involved it has said, "We have taken the available test members for today, please try again tomorrow." I linked the site, you can look at it.
I'm just saying that it would be a good thing to try to get a representative sample of random people.4 -
I look at introversion as being on a spectrum. I personally am an introvert, but what I call an extroverted-introvert. On a scale of 1 to 100 with 1 being extremely introverted, I'm probably around 30-40 on the score, depending on the day. I can enjoy social situations just fine, but I do get tired after a while and just need some peace. And for me, it very much has to do with the size of the crowd - I am much easier and comfortable in 1 on 1 or small group sessions; the larger the group, the quieter I become, and it also depends on who I'm with - some people, I am much more comfortable around while others just seem to have this vibe about them that makes me uncomfortable or intimidated.
But I am way better now as an adult than I was as a kid. I moved back to my hometown after being away for 15 years, having left after graduating college to take a job in another state. In that time, I had grown up a lot, learned to take care of myself and to come out of my mother's shadow and be my own person. So I am much more comfortable in carrying a conversation and will initiate one as well and can talk a lot - people in my church were shocked
So when I tell some people that I am really introverted, they look at me like I'm crazy because I just spent 45 minutes talking their ears off; what they don't get is 1) I am comfortable around them personally and 2)it was a 1 to 1 situation. Even in social situations that I enjoy, I am still hovering on the edges, where I can encounter people 1 or 2 at a time; I'm not putting myself in the middle of the group, nor do I want any attention on myself.
I can spend days by myself, and I do routinely as I'm single with a tiny network of acquaintances that I interact with during twice a week church services, and my immediate family who is introverted like I am. My mother lives right across the street from me, and I still only sometimes speak to her 2 or 3 times in a week's period. My best friend and I talk every other week or so on the phone, though those conversations tend to be several hours long. And I am fine with that as I do really need time to myself to recharge. but if I spend too much time to myself and don't connect with other people periodically, I start to withdraw into myself and start to feel isolated and my head space gets dark and depressive - I am my own worst enemy.
My best friend, on the other hand, is very introverted - down to around 10 on that scale. She prefers to go days and weeks without social interaction and her dream is to find a cabin in the woods far, far away from people and live out her days as a hermit. While I think the cabin in the woods far away from society sounds like a wonderful retreat, I don't want to live there as a hermit all my life, either!
So to be on topic: some people here are starting to be more aware of the need for social distancing, but I was in the grocery store yesterday and was still shaking my head at the number of people clustering together. The local stores have stickers put on the floor to help people stay apart in the checkout lines, and while some people were being mindful of them, others were not.
I find myself much more conscious of it, though. For instance: when needing to move from the back of the store to the front of the store, I consciously looked for aisles that had no one standing in them to make the cut, and if I needed something from a particular aisle and someone was standing at one end, I went around to the other, or waited a few feet back away from them until they moved.
I do wonder if, once this gets under control and the country gets back to being open, how long it will take until things go back to the old normal, or if this will make an impact on folks to create a new normal.2 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »I look at introversion as being on a spectrum. I personally am an introvert, but what I call an extroverted-introvert. On a scale of 1 to 100 with 1 being extremely introverted, I'm probably around 30-40 on the score, depending on the day. I can enjoy social situations just fine, but I do get tired after a while and just need some peace. And for me, it very much has to do with the size of the crowd - I am much easier and comfortable in 1 on 1 or small group sessions; the larger the group, the quieter I become, and it also depends on who I'm with - some people, I am much more comfortable around while others just seem to have this vibe about them that makes me uncomfortable or intimidated.
I'm probably 1 on the scale. I can go months without needing any social interaction if I allow it. I have to actively put effort into my social life because a healthy social life is important. I do enjoy the company of people, I just find myself choosing more solitary activities more often than not. I also need to "recharge" after being social.
For those who can't understand how an introvert could enjoy being social, imagine enjoying a certain physical activity. It's possible to find something you enjoy, but you get tired if you do it too long or too often, and sometimes you need recovery days. It's also possible to enjoy a physical activity but feel like you need to convince yourself to get up each and every time, and be tempted to do other activities instead.5 -
Indiana update time!
Tested: 9,930
Positive: 1,514
Deaths: 32
I got up early this morning and went to the store. Ended up at Meijer because I didn't want to wait until Aldi opened. It was a lot less busy then I expected it to be and people were doing a great job at social distancing. Only ran into 1 person who was being a bit of a jerk and not waiting until others moved out of the way. Wanted to smack him but that would be bad social distancing as well. I was able to get everything I wanted. Only thing they really were out of stock on was flour. Guess a lot of people are baking!
My anxiety has been a lot better, especially after seeing the store the way it was. Made me feel more comfortable. I should be able to start meal planning again which is nice as that gives me a sense of normalcy.
My depression on the other hand... it is raging. Just not having any person to person contact is really getting to me. I even consider myself an introvert because I need me time to recharge after social interaction. This is just an extreme lack of contact. My cats can only do so much!16 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »I look at introversion as being on a spectrum. I personally am an introvert, but what I call an extroverted-introvert.
I understand exactly what this means, but then again I describe myself as a depressed optimist (my PsyD thought that was both the funniest and most apt description she heard). My brain chemistry sends me into depression but my general thinking patterns always see the best.
Anyway, to get the thread back on track: My state is up over 1000 confirmed cases and is still rising sharply. I have a feeling this upcoming week is going to be really hard on everyone. The novelty of staying at home is wearing off. People are going to feel the need for social interaction but the rise in the number of new cases shows why we can't. Just like anything else (like weight loss), the initial enthusiasm is wearing off and we are entering into the keep on keeping on stage.
Personally, I have a craft project to work on and I started my bulbs for summer patio pots. I also got a sourdough starter going which is ready so I will bake some bread later today.
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Anyway, to get the thread back on track: My state is up over 1000 confirmed cases and is still rising sharply. I have a feeling this upcoming week is going to be really hard on everyone. The novelty of staying at home is wearing off. People are going to feel the need for social interaction but the rise in the number of new cases shows why we can't. Just like anything else (like weight loss), the initial enthusiasm is wearing off and we are entering into the keep on keeping on stage.
Exactly this.
We have 3491 cases now (before the announced increases that will come later today), and 47 deaths (1610 and 12 in the city itself, still maintaining a test to positive rate of just under 14%). Focusing on the death toll mounting is going to be really hard. The Trib has a section memorializing people who died from this, and I started reading it a couple of days ago and just started tearing up and decided that even though I felt like the responsible thing to do would be to read it, I just couldn't. I'm trying not to obsess about the news and so on (I think what ksharma said about that is right on), but that's hard for me. The weekend is harder for me than the weekdays, as I do have a good bit of work-related interaction on workdays and had a good bit of work to do. I often work on the weekends too but thought with being home all the time it would be better to not work unless I had to, but I haven't been good about picking up good mind-consuming projects to do instead.
NextDoor has a thread right now on how to walk properly on the sidewalk and leave a 6 ft space (sidewalks are apparently mostly 5 ft wide here, so the person who started it is suggesting you each step off the sidewalk to pass), which of course led to all kinds of argument. I have found that since Tuesday people are being much better, but the weather hasn't been out so fewer people have been out at a time, and it was kids who were particularly hard to avoid on Tuesday, so we'll see how next week goes. I walked down to our little neighborhood shopping area yesterday, just to have somewhere to go, and the square and walking area were a ghost town -- I had been afraid it would be harder to avoid people there (there's a grocery store and pet-related store that are still open), but it was actually easier, since the areas to walk in were much wider and the number of people around quite small.5 -
moonangel12 wrote: »
Dummy me left both my homemade mask and hat at home yesterday when I finally ventured out to the grocery store for the first time in two weeks - if it weren’t 20 minutes from home, and needing to get in and out ASAP because kids were home alone, I would have gone back for them. (The hat because my germaphobe mind imagines cooties crawling around in my hair much like lice I guess). I sat in the car and seriously pondered what to do... ended up just taking a deep breath and headed in, strategically holding my breath when I passed people. Probably a feeble attempt at protecting myself but better than nothing (thankfully it wasn’t a madhouse).snowflake954 wrote: »@snowflake954 Lol! The mask is going to be the fashion accessory to have in 2020 and beyond.
Can't you just see the fashion models walking the catwalk next year in masks? We'll all be wearing them.
That is precisely what I pictured....."I'm too sexy for this mask.....too sexy for this mask....so sexy it hurts"
- Right Said Fred
I'm in the middle of my second book about the 1918 flu epidemic, and both talk about people starting to wear masks anytime they went out, and the first had photos of some US city (I forget which) in which everyone is wearing masks.
My sister took her dh shopping the other day, they both wore masks(you're not seeing it much here....yet). Somebody yelled across the aisle at her, telling her she's not supposed to be using them, they're for other people.
She's 75 and her dh is 80, has Alzheimer's. Seriously??? And I've offered to stay with him or get food for them countless times. But until Friday, when her dd sent her a couple more masks for extra caregivers to wear, she wouldn't allow me in their home.
If you read the CDC website, they do not recommend wearing masks...they are of little to no value to the general public in coronavirus protection. This is not an airborne virus and masks only really serve as a false sense of security. They are necessary for medical workers as they can obviously not socially distance themselves from their patients and there is more aerosol transfer in a hospital setting.2 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »I look at introversion as being on a spectrum. I personally am an introvert, but what I call an extroverted-introvert.
I understand exactly what this means, but then again I describe myself as a depressed optimist (my PsyD thought that was both the funniest and most apt description she heard). My brain chemistry sends me into depression but my general thinking patterns always see the best.
Anyway, to get the thread back on track: My state is up over 1000 confirmed cases and is still rising sharply. I have a feeling this upcoming week is going to be really hard on everyone. The novelty of staying at home is wearing off. People are going to feel the need for social interaction but the rise in the number of new cases shows why we can't. Just like anything else (like weight loss), the initial enthusiasm is wearing off and we are entering into the keep on keeping on stage.
Personally, I have a craft project to work on and I started my bulbs for summer patio pots. I also got a sourdough starter going which is ready so I will bake some bread later today.
Lol, I can totally relate to being a depressed optimist!
I've been getting a good amount of gardening in lately and yesterday did hours of socially distanced yardwork at my Mom's.
I've been bringing her groceries and we discussed me just dropping them off at the door and leaving but mutually agreed that would make us both unhappy. (Sure, better alive and unhappy than dead, but as mentioned, my prolonged interaction with other people is almost non-existent.)
Today is raining and I'm going to push away from the computer and start focaccia dough.0 -
I just need to share: I really, really want a haircut right now. That is all.11
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missysippy930 wrote: »
My husband was just lamenting not being able to get a haircut, and he's getting pretty shaggy.
I'm incredibly grateful that I have a job that allows me to work from home and places me ina much better position than so many but the reality I'd these times is tough to deal with sometimes. We're so used to having easy access to so much that it's strange to have to adjust basic things like grocery shopping.4 -
missysippy930 wrote: »
My husband was just lamenting not being able to get a haircut, and he's getting pretty shaggy.
I'm incredibly grateful that I have a job that allows me to work from home and places me ina much better position than so many but the reality I'd these times is tough to deal with sometimes. We're so used to having easy access to so much that it's strange to have to adjust basic things like grocery shopping.
My OH wants me to cut his hair. BAD idea, lol.
Lots of memes about this in https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10789131/coronavirus-memes/p13 -
My husband cuts his own hair with a flowbie. He loves it and will cut his friends' hair if needed. I have also started cutting my own hair after watching a YouTube video. Saves a lot of time and money. And there's no one to be mad at but myself if it's messed up. I don't have to worry about what's being cut off behind my back anymore.3
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DancingMoosie wrote: »My husband cuts his own hair with a flowbie. He loves it and will cut his friends' hair if needed. I have also started cutting my own hair after watching a YouTube video. Saves a lot of time and money. And there's no one to be mad at but myself if it's messed up. I don't have to worry about what's being cut off behind my backDancingMoosie wrote: »My husband cuts his own hair with a flowbie. He loves it and will cut his friends' hair if needed. I have also started cutting my own hair after watching a YouTube video. Saves a lot of time and money. And there's no one to be mad at but myself if it's messed up. I don't have to worry about what's being cut off behind my back anymore.
My husband and I just had a good laugh at this because he always jokes about getting a flowbie and was just saying it again this morning. We needed a good laugh.0 -
The people who live at the end of my street are having a *kitten* GARAGE SALE today
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »
That’s my question... because, I admit quite selfishly, I don’t want to use my pretty fabric if they are just going to be tossedbmeadows380 wrote: »@AnnPT77 my pastor just put out a call saying his wife is asking church members to help her make masks based upon a few patterns she's found online. Are these masks considered disposable, or can they be washed and re-used, or bleached or something?
I have a resource for quite a bit of older fabric I was told I could have, though!
ETA: thanks for the added info! I was posting and hubby came in from work so there was a few minutes lag, enough time for others to chime in!
My mother and I were just laughing yesterday about people making fabric masks. We're pretty sure every quilter on the planet of Earth is probably chortling about how this is the time they've been waiting for all their lives--a deep societal need for items made from all the fabric remnants they've been stashing for years!
I know the introverts thought this was their time to shine, but it looks like it's the quilters that are going to save the world!
Being a crafter myself, I feel like the Venn diagram of quilters and introverts has a pretty decent-sized overlap.
There are a bunch of introverts who don't quilt . . . but my experience suggests that quite a fraction of quilters are introverts.
My mother quilted at home alone, but for my grandmother, aunt, and sister, it is at least in part a social pursuit. Of course they work on stuff at home alone, but they also work together on projects with other people, sometimes quilting a single quilt together (what used to be called a quilting bee), other times getting together for classes on new techniques for making blocks, or going on trips together to various quilting destinations, gathering for quilt shows, etc.
Respectfully, I don't think socializing (or not) is the measure of introversion.
I'm extremely very introverted, and I socialize - I'm kind of OK at it, actually, happily talking to strangers, being assertive when needful, have plenty friends of various cognitive styles, all that stuff. Yes, most crafters have gatherings available to them, and they're well-attended. I attend some (local and statewide versions), plus regional/national shows and whatnot for my crafts. That's fun.
In my understanding, and oversimplifying, introversion vs. extroversion is more about mental orientation toward one's own thoughts and perceptions, vs. orientation to external interactions. Still overgeneralizing, introverts tend to spend energy while socializing, while extroverts gain energy while socializng. On that same cartoonish kind of continuum, introverts are more likely to feel contented in solo activity, and extroverts more likely to become bored more rapidly. Most people are at no particular extreme of these, but are on some kind of continuum, sometimes in different spots at different times/situations.
I'm not saying that no extrovert quilts/crafts. They do. But, based on the pretty large number of crafters I know - including quilters, which I have in the past been one of myself - the percentage of introverts is higher in the crafts-hobby world than in the overall population. (Yes, this is not a scientific sample.) This is the case even among the crafters I know who are quite social, i.e., pursue lots of group crafting activities.
Bringing this whole tiresome ramble back to the thread: I'm at home alone, watching local friends through Facebook, phone calls, text messages, etc.
Those more introverted are sometimes very anxious about the virus and what will happen, but otherwise kind of "it's a pain that I don't get to see my friends for crafting except on Skype/Zoom, but at least I have plenty of supplies, so meh". The extroverts are much more clearly under stress from isolation, even those who don't live alone. They're posting things like (real quote) "I miss hugs from everyone. Sorry just feeling so isolated." And that's someone who's more self aware: Some of my friends are obviously working out distress through things like unfocused anger, over-drinking, etc.
I don't understand in my gut how it feels to be an extrovert, but I sympathize with (and am concerned for) my more extroverted friends, in a different way than I'm concerned for my more introverted friends.
Point taken on introvert/extrovert being an internal state. I made my judgment based on what I saw in people seeking out social situations and appearing to genuinely enjoy them, and assuming that was a reflection of genuine desire for social interaction, which to me seems like an odd desire to have on a fairly regular basis (typically the quilters I know have gone to at least one weekly quilt-related social event, on top of other social things in their life) if it's a draining experience. But I don't think most of us know that many people well enough to really know what's going on inside their heads. I don't doubt some of them are faking enjoyment in social situations. I fake it sometimes myself. But I don't usually seek out on a repeating basis situations in which I have to fake enjoyment and disguise the fact that it's a draining experience.
Not to belabor it, but I think that just like I don't really understand what it feels like to be an extrovert, you may not be as attuned to introversion. Obviously, different people feel differently, regardless of where they are on that continuum, so I'm not going to psychoanalyze anyone else.
Speaking for myself: I'm strongly introverted by nature, but I enjoy social situations (not faking), to a certain extent, just as (I suspect) many/most extroverts enjoy being alone sometimes. I do lots of things that take energy, and enjoy them. Socializing is one of those. It's stimulating and fun, but it takes energy. At a certain point, I burn out on it, get overloaded, whatever you want to call it, and need to recharge nonsocially. I go to, and enjoy, local craft group meetings weekly (plus), no faking or disguising anything involved.
But this is off-topic to the thread, other than the observation that, as one of the memes joked, introverts have been "Training for this stay-at-home order their whole lives". (But it's a joke, right? )
You seem to be assuming I'm an extrovert, which just goes to my point about not knowing what's going on inside someone else's head.2 -
rheddmobile wrote: »
That’s not quite it, though (introvert here). There’s a difference between feeling drained by socializing and faking enjoyment. I enjoy the heck out of many social situations. Then I go home and collapse and need to recharge. Extroverts feel charged by socializing.lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »
That’s my question... because, I admit quite selfishly, I don’t want to use my pretty fabric if they are just going to be tossedbmeadows380 wrote: »@AnnPT77 my pastor just put out a call saying his wife is asking church members to help her make masks based upon a few patterns she's found online. Are these masks considered disposable, or can they be washed and re-used, or bleached or something? I have a resource for quite a bit of older fabric I was told I could have, though!
ETA: thanks for the added info! I was posting and hubby came in from work so there was a few minutes lag, enough time for others to chime in!
My mother and I were just laughing yesterday about people making fabric masks. We're pretty sure every quilter on the planet of Earth is probably chortling about how this is the time they've been waiting for all their lives--a deep societal need for items made from all the fabric remnants they've been stashing for years!
I know the introverts thought this was their time to shine, but it looks like it's the quilters that are going to save the world!
Being a crafter myself, I feel like the Venn diagram of quilters and introverts has a pretty decent-sized overlap.
There are a bunch of introverts who don't quilt . . . but my experience suggests that quite a fraction of quilters are introverts.
My mother quilted at home alone, but for my grandmother, aunt, and sister, it is at least in part a social pursuit. Of course they work on stuff at home alone, but they also work together on projects with other people, sometimes quilting a single quilt together (what used to be called a quilting bee), other times getting together for classes on new techniques for making blocks, or going on trips together to various quilting destinations, gathering for quilt shows, etc.
Respectfully, I don't think socializing (or not) is the measure of introversion.
I'm extremely very introverted, and I socialize - I'm kind of OK at it, actually, happily talking to strangers, being assertive when needful, have plenty friends of various cognitive styles, all that stuff. Yes, most crafters have gatherings available to them, and they're well-attended. I attend some (local and statewide versions), plus regional/national shows and whatnot for my crafts. That's fun.
In my understanding, and oversimplifying, introversion vs. extroversion is more about mental orientation toward one's own thoughts and perceptions, vs. orientation to external interactions. Still overgeneralizing, introverts tend to spend energy while socializing, while extroverts gain energy while socializng. On that same cartoonish kind of continuum, introverts are more likely to feel contented in solo activity, and extroverts more likely to become bored more rapidly. Most people are at no particular extreme of these, but are on some kind of continuum, sometimes in different spots at different times/situations.
I'm not saying that no extrovert quilts/crafts. They do. But, based on the pretty large number of crafters I know - including quilters, which I have in the past been one of myself - the percentage of introverts is higher in the crafts-hobby world than in the overall population. (Yes, this is not a scientific sample.) This is the case even among the crafters I know who are quite social, i.e., pursue lots of group crafting activities.
Bringing this whole tiresome ramble back to the thread: I'm at home alone, watching local friends through Facebook, phone calls, text messages, etc.
Those more introverted are sometimes very anxious about the virus and what will happen, but otherwise kind of "it's a pain that I don't get to see my friends for crafting except on Skype/Zoom, but at least I have plenty of supplies, so meh". The extroverts are much more clearly under stress from isolation, even those who don't live alone. They're posting things like (real quote) "I miss hugs from everyone. Sorry just feeling so isolated." And that's someone who's more self aware: Some of my friends are obviously working out distress through things like unfocused anger, over-drinking, etc.
I don't understand in my gut how it feels to be an extrovert, but I sympathize with (and am concerned for) my more extroverted friends, in a different way than I'm concerned for my more introverted friends.
Point taken on introvert/extrovert being an internal state. I made my judgment based on what I saw in people seeking out social situations and appearing to genuinely enjoy them, and assuming that was a reflection of genuine desire for social interaction, which to me seems like an odd desire to have on a fairly regular basis (typically the quilters I know have gone to at least one weekly quilt-related social event, on top of other social things in their life) if it's a draining experience. But I don't think most of us know that many people well enough to really know what's going on inside their heads. I don't doubt some of them are faking enjoyment in social situations. I fake it sometimes myself. But I don't usually seek out on a repeating basis situations in which I have to fake enjoyment and disguise the fact that it's a draining experience.
I think this example comes from a Myer/Briggs book I read a while ago. Imagine an introvert and an extrovert trying to get some studying done at a library. The introvert gets tired by having to interact with other people at the library and wants to go sit alone with a book to recharge. The extrovert gets exhausted from sitting alone with the book and looks for excuses to take a study break so she can go talk to someone to recharge.
OK. I've been drained in social situations. I don't find that enjoyable. I guess everyone's different, though, so again, my point on making assumptions about what's going on inside other people's heads.0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »
Dummy me left both my homemade mask and hat at home yesterday when I finally ventured out to the grocery store for the first time in two weeks - if it weren’t 20 minutes from home, and needing to get in and out ASAP because kids were home alone, I would have gone back for them. (The hat because my germaphobe mind imagines cooties crawling around in my hair much like lice I guess). I sat in the car and seriously pondered what to do... ended up just taking a deep breath and headed in, strategically holding my breath when I passed people. Probably a feeble attempt at protecting myself but better than nothing (thankfully it wasn’t a madhouse).snowflake954 wrote: »@snowflake954 Lol! The mask is going to be the fashion accessory to have in 2020 and beyond.
Can't you just see the fashion models walking the catwalk next year in masks? We'll all be wearing them.
That is precisely what I pictured....."I'm too sexy for this mask.....too sexy for this mask....so sexy it hurts"
- Right Said Fred
I'm in the middle of my second book about the 1918 flu epidemic, and both talk about people starting to wear masks anytime they went out, and the first had photos of some US city (I forget which) in which everyone is wearing masks.
My sister took her dh shopping the other day, they both wore masks(you're not seeing it much here....yet). Somebody yelled across the aisle at her, telling her she's not supposed to be using them, they're for other people. She's 75 and her dh is 80, has Alzheimer's. Seriously??? And I've offered to stay with him or get food for them countless times. But until Friday, when her dd sent her a couple more masks for extra caregivers to wear, she wouldn't allow me in their home.
If you read the CDC website, they do not recommend wearing masks...they are of little to no value to the general public in coronavirus protection. This is not an airborne virus and masks only really serve as a false sense of security. They are necessary for medical workers as they can obviously not socially distance themselves from their patients and there is more aerosol transfer in a hospital setting.
Yeah, the thing is, the CDC is lying about this. There have been several articles in various major news sources about how their messaging changes as the availability of masks changes. In particular the message “a normal person (as you just quoted ‘member of the general public’) couldn’t possibly use a mask properly, only trained medical professionals get any benefit from them.” Yeah, that’s baloney. It’s not that hard, and if they wanted us to know, they would be sharing mask-training videos instead of telling us not to buy masks. It doesn’t help the public confidence when any child can see through what’s being said by the experts.
Masks don’t stop aerosols, and viruses go right through them, but they do stop droplets. There’s no hard data about protection levels, but in Asian countries which commonly use masks, studies have found they make it about 80% less likely to get the seasonal flu. All of the countries which have successfully suppressed Covid-19 have also put their whole populations into masks in public. Masks aren’t perfect but they do help. The question is, who gets them?
Right now there are hospitals which are requiring doctors to wear masks and not allowing nurses to wear them because “they aren’t necessary.” Who spends more time with patients? Clearly the nurse. In terms of exposure the nurse is more exposed. But doctors are presumably regarded as more essential.14 -
cmriverside wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »I mentioned a couple days ago that Washington is testing people from home using a mail-in self-administered test that is obtained through a website affiliated with King County and the Seattle Flu project. https://publichealthinsider.com/2020/03/23/introducing-scan-the-greater-seattle-coronavirus-assessment-network/
I don't know how they are choosing who to test. It does appear from DOH reporting that there are more tests being done on older people - I'm going to presume that's either because more are presenting to hospital in significant distress OR they are choosing to test more older people to get a handle on the coming tsunami. A representative sampling would make me feel better, but I suspect a lot of this is about testing the waters, so to speak. To prepare the infrastructure.
Either way. There are a lot of younger people testing positive in the population.
We're gonna be locked down for a while.
Stay safe everyone.
I wouldn't think they would be using mail-in self-administered tests on people who present to a hospital. I would think that they would be more for people who call or video chat with their doctors and are deemed to be possibly infected but not sick enough to come to the hospital, so they tell them to stay home and mail them the test, and they mail it back. Maybe I'm missing something.
That's not what I said. It appears these are neither, though I'm not sure what the requirements are, they are taking the applications by web only and so far every morning when I've tried to become involved it has said, "We have taken the available test members for today, please try again tomorrow." I linked the site, you can look at it.
I'm just saying that it would be a good thing to try to get a representative sample of random people.
OK. I'm afraid I don't read every link people post. As I acknowledged in my previous post, maybe I was missing something.1 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »
Dummy me left both my homemade mask and hat at home yesterday when I finally ventured out to the grocery store for the first time in two weeks - if it weren’t 20 minutes from home, and needing to get in and out ASAP because kids were home alone, I would have gone back for them. (The hat because my germaphobe mind imagines cooties crawling around in my hair much like lice I guess). I sat in the car and seriously pondered what to do... ended up just taking a deep breath and headed in, strategically holding my breath when I passed people. Probably a feeble attempt at protecting myself but better than nothing (thankfully it wasn’t a madhouse).snowflake954 wrote: »@snowflake954 Lol! The mask is going to be the fashion accessory to have in 2020 and beyond.
Can't you just see the fashion models walking the catwalk next year in masks? We'll all be wearing them.
That is precisely what I pictured....."I'm too sexy for this mask.....too sexy for this mask....so sexy it hurts"
- Right Said Fred
I'm in the middle of my second book about the 1918 flu epidemic, and both talk about people starting to wear masks anytime they went out, and the first had photos of some US city (I forget which) in which everyone is wearing masks.
My sister took her dh shopping the other day, they both wore masks(you're not seeing it much here....yet). Somebody yelled across the aisle at her, telling her she's not supposed to be using them, they're for other people. She's 75 and her dh is 80, has Alzheimer's. Seriously??? And I've offered to stay with him or get food for them countless times. But until Friday, when her dd sent her a couple more masks for extra caregivers to wear, she wouldn't allow me in their home.
If you read the CDC website, they do not recommend wearing masks...they are of little to no value to the general public in coronavirus protection. This is not an airborne virus and masks only really serve as a false sense of security. They are necessary for medical workers as they can obviously not socially distance themselves from their patients and there is more aerosol transfer in a hospital setting.
I assume that when you say it is not an airborne virus you mean that it is not aerosolized and sinks to surfaces very quickly, but without that explanation, I think saying it is not airbone can be misleading, as people are liable to think that means it can't pass through the air, and that everything they've heard about the dangers of someone coughing or sneezing on them or just being within six feet of them is not true.
I also think that the folks in the store yelling at elderly people (clearly at high risk, and thus not the general population) for taking whatever added precaution they can, even if the protective value is small, were jerks. Sure they should stay home if they possibly can, but to assume anyone you see out in the world has a less valid reason than you do for being there is at least at self-centered as one elderly couple using two masks that are supposed to be "for other people." Why not suggest the elderly couple go back to the car and offer to do the shopping and bring it out to them?4
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