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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »A thought I had... as almost everyone refuses to wear a mask properly and consistently, one of the most common reasons I hear is because it is hard to breathe through a thin paper mask. These are people who are sometimes just sitting, sometimes standing, and sometimes walking at a leisurely pace. In other words, not activities that one would expect to require a significant amount of oxygen as would an activity like running. It makes me think:
1. Almost nobody is very fit here apparently because such a minimal barrier shouldn't cause almost everyone so much difficulty that they can't wear it.
2. If people find it that hard to breathe through a simple paper mask, what would they think it is like if they have a respiratory disease that actually makes it difficult to get oxygen?! And given that, how is the mortality rate not 50 times higher than has been reported?!
I'm tempted to believe "hard to breathe" is more excuse (or a psychological side effect of perceived confinement, bascically micro-claustrophobia), in some cases. Clearly, some people do have breathing disorders, and that's a different issue.
They tell me, now, that I have COPD (still very mild). I have no trouble breathing for whole grocery expeditions, sometimes through multiple stores, leaving the mask on the whole time including in the car (for less face-touching), and I'm wearing a doubled (sometimes quadrupled) cotton tight-weave bandana bandit-style, with a home-shop dust mask behind it, on tight (dents in face after). Admittedly, I'm thin and moderately fit, and the COPD is mild. But it makes me skeptical about the commonness of the "can't breathe" explanation.
I'm certain that for some, there's a bit of "Princess and the pea" going on here - not saying people are lying, but more that some are very sensitive, and that there's a psychological dimension.
I don't have COPD or problems with confinement/claustrophobia, but was unable to wear the KN95 mask that I got for cost as my company sells them. I gave some to my mother, brother, and neighbors, and they don't have problems with them.
I suspect my issue with the mask was partly due to my chemical/environmental sensitivity. I have problem with certain fabrics touching me in general, let alone if I am trying to breathe through them.
For food shopping, I wear an sextuple-fold cotton bandana, and while it's a bit annoying because I can only get enough air if I breath through my mouth, it doesn't bother me like the KN95 did.6 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »We are at probably less than 1% mask use in public here. This is frustrating because it works best when everyone takes precautions.
https://www.sfgate.com/news/editorspicks/article/Study-100-face-mask-use-could-crush-second-15333170.php
Weird, we are probably at about 75% here from what I observe and indoor public space is required. Then again, I find the talk about second wave ironic as it's not clear anyone is out of the first wave, I don't think we are, and after the past couple weeks no way. But we are opening. (I realize again I'm being bitchy but I find it so unfair that I see so much more compliance around me than others report yet our numbers are so much worse, which until recently I just assumed was density and now is likely also protests, etc.)
I'm south of Boston and have seen 100% mask/face covering usage in grocery stores for some time. I almost saw 100% usage everywhere else, but my OH saw two men at Home Depot not wearing masks, so that broke the streak, but we are still in the very high 90s in my area.
My state took major action in March, and our chart has been going in the right direction for some time.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/massachusetts-coronavirus-cases.html
IL as a state is heading in the right direction as well: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/illinois-coronavirus-cases.html
Cook County is following along with that.3 -
It's crazy how different the mask situation is based on where you are. Even just in my area, the Food Lion has no signage or enforcement and I was one of the few people in the store wearing a mask. The Walmart right down the street has signage, floor arrows, hand sanitizer stations, and all but a few were wearing masks.
I do fine wearing the basic cloth masks I have under normal circumstances. I mean it's annoying and I'm happy to take it off once I can, but that's it. But I'll admit the other day it was quite humid out and I had to book it up a hill to the back door of the building, and man was I sucking air. I typically don't seem to breathe as deep when the humidity is high so I guess it just compounded the issue. Still better than the mystery that still is covid-19 though.8 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »A thought I had... as almost everyone refuses to wear a mask properly and consistently, one of the most common reasons I hear is because it is hard to breathe through a thin paper mask. These are people who are sometimes just sitting, sometimes standing, and sometimes walking at a leisurely pace. In other words, not activities that one would expect to require a significant amount of oxygen as would an activity like running. It makes me think:
1. Almost nobody is very fit here apparently because such a minimal barrier shouldn't cause almost everyone so much difficulty that they can't wear it.
2. If people find it that hard to breathe through a simple paper mask, what would they think it is like if they have a respiratory disease that actually makes it difficult to get oxygen?! And given that, how is the mortality rate not 50 times higher than has been reported?!
Yep unfortunately if someone is having trouble breathing through a paper/thin cloth mask their *kitten* better be at home in self-isolation because if they get it, chances are it won't end well.
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It's crazy how different the mask situation is based on where you are. Even just in my area, the Food Lion has no signage or enforcement and I was one of the few people in the store wearing a mask. The Walmart right down the street has signage, floor arrows, hand sanitizer stations, and all but a few were wearing masks.
I do fine wearing the basic cloth masks I have under normal circumstances. I mean it's annoying and I'm happy to take it off once I can, but that's it. But I'll admit the other day it was quite humid out and I had to book it up a hill to the back door of the building, and man was I sucking air. I typically don't seem to breathe as deep when the humidity is high so I guess it just compounded the issue. Still better than the mystery that still is covid-19 though.
That's interesting because I've seen signs at every store. Wal-Mart admittedly has the most signs and the most complicated setup. It was confusing the first time I went in months because it looks like one door is blocked off with no signs at all. But as it turns out, they were just trying to separate the In vs. the Out doors. As I approached the store, I just saw barricades over the In door and assumed it was broken or something and they were trying to block it off until it could be fixed. So I went in through the Out doors and I noticed there were barricades between the 2 doors inside. On my way out, I saw some people coming in through the In doors. So I followed the barricades and it turned out that there were an opening off to the side of the store, so you have to go about 100-200 feet over to the side, then enter through the opening in the barricades and follow the side of the building back to the door. It would have been helpful if they actually had signs for that. I assume they had employees directing traffic at one time and now assume everyone knows. But not everyone shops at Wal-Mart often enough (people like me) to have been there early on with this setup and to have learned the new system. Signs would help there.
Anyway, nobody else at Wal-Mart last week was wearing a mask. Not even employees. Nobody seemed to adhere to the signs about keeping distance either. It was just like everywhere else.3 -
Two anecdotes from mid-Michigan:
1. I made an emergency run to buy a new cell phone at a local store on Friday. That's a low-traffic place. Had 2 staff on duty, one other customer who overlapped with me, many feet away. Didn't notice if other customer was masked (I think so), but staff and I were. Near the end of the interchange, I asked the staffer who was helping me if she'd do an extra sanitation step before handing me stuff.
She was super nice about it, and something in how she discussed it (like how she actually thanked me for caring) led me to believe that some customers are being real jerks to service people who are under corporate orders to enforce masks and such (she obliquely said as much). This is a place where many customers are staying in front of an individual staff person for multiple minutes at a time, besides. Yeesh.
2. I've been in my local big-box home improvement store multiple times recently (late night, a teenager flattened my rural-style mailbox, so I have to completely replace it, pole & all, which I don't really know how to do or completely what I need, so multiple trips).
It's all been trips on weekday afternoons, but there's suprising variation - as I subjectively see it, anyway - in the percentage of the customers wearing masks & keeping distance. (I'd say it was 80%-ish this trip, but maybe only 50% or so on the last one). Maybe it's just that this is not as high-traffic as a grocery store, so more random-looking variation when small numbers.
Pet peeve: Everywhere, the non-mask-wearers in general seem to be more aggressive about ignoring distancing rules (arrows, proximity, etc.). This logically follows, I suppose - if a person thinks the precautions are unnecessary and annoying, they think it across the board, I suppose. It annoys me anyway. (Today's bold example: A young-ish woman with multiple (4? 5?) trailing dirty-looking kids, no masks in sight, winding their collective wide-swath way through the checkout area, one side or other of the mini-troop brushing near other patrons trying to stay on the 6-foot-apart markers as the woman/kids gawked (and yammered, and breathed) in all directions. Ugh. )
Thanks for letting me vent.19 -
Just interesting. Mom and dad=no masks with 2 kids, maybe 8 & 12, both masked. Why?2
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I'm in Nebraska, and not much of the daily grind has changed here. It did for about 6-8 weeks, but now things are opening back up. I work at 3 COVID testing facilities, so I have dealt with a lot of the highs and lows. Personally, other than my kids having online learning, I still go about business as usual.
The frustrating thing right now is that the schools still don't know how they are going to operate come fall. They allowed families to vote on 3 options, all of which are ugly....either A. We continue remote learning (which was a complete joke and left many kids, mine included, feeling set back) B. Schools split students down by 50% by rotating every other week. Again, not a great option since many parents will be back to work and daycare costs are outrages. C. Split the school day in half, with 50% of the kids going in the morning and the other 50% in the afternoon.
As for prep, our shelves are well stocked in the stores, with the exception of Lysol wipes. Most businesses are back up and running, and more and more people are starting to come out. As of yesterday's press conference, the hospitals in my area still have 80% vents available, and 75% of beds available.
I was incredibly sick in February, and testing negative for the FLU. One of the gals I was training just had an antibody test done because he mom was sick in January....they both had antibodies. If had the extra cash, I'd get tested because I am pretty much convinced I had it.
Huh? You have to pay to be tested for Covid? We don't.
I meant for the antibody testing, but yes....we have had people calling stating that they thought the COVID test was free. We send the tests through LabCorp and they have been charging nearly $100 for the test.
I haven't seen a bill for mine yet (antibody) - dr office made me sign a form saying I understood it may not be covered. Now my insurance says on their website that they will cover all covid related treatment and testing with no copays. They also refunded my copay for therapy because I did teletherapy.
Now if you give blood, they will give you a free antibody test. I think because they want to know if your blood has antibodies anyway, so they'll be testing anyway, and just give you the result.4 -
I haven't read all the replies.
For those who say mask usage is low where you are, what is the availability of masks?
I saw low mask usage in the last couple of weeks, probably since we went into phase 1 on May 4th. Suddenly, mask usage is going up. But also, I JUST started seeing masks for sale in regular stores - Target, Kroger, etc. I bought some.
I think this may have something to do with low usage, not everyone can sew. Not everyone goes on etsy to buy masks. But if you can pick up a pack at your local store? When you are buying groceries? Maybe that will help with usage. It is a little sucky of the government to ask everyone (or require everyone) to wear masks but not PROVIDE them, and not only are they not provided they aren't available to the average person, what with doctor's offices and hair salons buying a bunch (I mean, they need them too).
That said, usage is way up this week. I'm glad to see more people wearing masks!5 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »A thought I had... as almost everyone refuses to wear a mask properly and consistently, one of the most common reasons I hear is because it is hard to breathe through a thin paper mask. These are people who are sometimes just sitting, sometimes standing, and sometimes walking at a leisurely pace. In other words, not activities that one would expect to require a significant amount of oxygen as would an activity like running. It makes me think:
1. Almost nobody is very fit here apparently because such a minimal barrier shouldn't cause almost everyone so much difficulty that they can't wear it.
2. If people find it that hard to breathe through a simple paper mask, what would they think it is like if they have a respiratory disease that actually makes it difficult to get oxygen?! And given that, how is the mortality rate not 50 times higher than has been reported?!
I think some people have a psychological thing about it.
I had a haircut last weekend, I wore my mask the whole time and it was just me and the stylist in the building. She left me under the hood for a while and when she got back she said she was shocked I wore my mask the whole time under the hood while she wasn't even around, she said she had to step outside and take hers off she was dying with it on.
I don't think the thought even crossed my mind to take it off while I was under the hood, I was just chillin and playing on my phone.7 -
Thank goodness, sanity prevails on a local level. Memphis and Shelby County are NOT moving to phase 3, which was planned to begin Monday despite not hitting any of the metrics required to move to phase 3.
Locally our positive rate has gone from 4 something to 8 something, and the rolling 7 day average new cases was 80 when we moved into phase 2, yesterday’s new cases were an all time high of 256.
I’m concerned that it may be too late to stuff the genie back in the bottle - when the county moved to phase 2, a lot of people seemingly heard that as “covid is over, it’s safe to go back to normal now,” and restarted their social lives. My mom’s elderly friends urged her to resume normal activities. But I told her, wait, give it one more month for me, because this is actually the most dangerous time - because nothing has changed except that people have stopped being careful. I figured by the end of a month the effects would be visible. And then we had 11 nights of large demonstrations in multiple parts of the city, on top of everything else. And now we are fixing to reap the whirlwind.11 -
We have plenty of masks here, of the cheap kind, and lots of places are giving them away. Unfortunately we also have a large percentage of stubborn people. Often, of a couple, the woman will mask and the man will not. It’s also become a political statement. At tsc, zero percent of people are wearing masks, not even the elderly. And then there are young people who just can’t be made to do anything. It’s law that food handlers and front-facing restaurant workers have to wear masks, my husband stopped at a five guys and the whole staff had them around their chins.ExistingFish wrote: »I haven't read all the replies.
For those who say mask usage is low where you are, what is the availability of masks?
I saw low mask usage in the last couple of weeks, probably since we went into phase 1 on May 4th. Suddenly, mask usage is going up. But also, I JUST started seeing masks for sale in regular stores - Target, Kroger, etc. I bought some.
I think this may have something to do with low usage, not everyone can sew. Not everyone goes on etsy to buy masks. But if you can pick up a pack at your local store? When you are buying groceries? Maybe that will help with usage. It is a little sucky of the government to ask everyone (or require everyone) to wear masks but not PROVIDE them, and not only are they not provided they aren't available to the average person, what with doctor's offices and hair salons buying a bunch (I mean, they need them too).
That said, usage is way up this week. I'm glad to see more people wearing masks!
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ExistingFish wrote: »I haven't read all the replies.
For those who say mask usage is low where you are, what is the availability of masks?
I saw low mask usage in the last couple of weeks, probably since we went into phase 1 on May 4th. Suddenly, mask usage is going up. But also, I JUST started seeing masks for sale in regular stores - Target, Kroger, etc. I bought some.
I think this may have something to do with low usage, not everyone can sew. Not everyone goes on etsy to buy masks. But if you can pick up a pack at your local store? When you are buying groceries? Maybe that will help with usage. It is a little sucky of the government to ask everyone (or require everyone) to wear masks but not PROVIDE them, and not only are they not provided they aren't available to the average person, what with doctor's offices and hair salons buying a bunch (I mean, they need them too).
That said, usage is way up this week. I'm glad to see more people wearing masks!
Disposable masks are available at stores and lots of cloth masks are being sewn and sold by everyone who knows how. These are available at everywhere from flower shops to convenience stores. They are a available, people just won't wear them.8 -
janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »The worse part about the mask is when I get hot, bothered and mad.
I got a thinner one that works better but when I am near others I wear a mask when at Lowes, WM, etc which is seldom. When I walk down the road or out bush hogging in a field there is not need protect me from getting Covid-19. While most do not wear them in stores around here it does give me peace of that I am not stressing out another person due to not wearing a mask. Masks are a non issue just like wearing pants on a hot day is non issue. It is just something you to better fit into society.
If one is having trouble breathing due to wearing a mask most likely should not be out in public places period.
If someone has a legitimate medical restriction from wearing a mask, I don't think they should be expected to completely withdraw from society. The rest of us who can should wear masks to help account for the few who cannot, just as we don't expect those who cannot be vaccinated to withdraw from society . . . we get our vaccinations so that herd immunity helps protect them.
If those of us who can do what we *should*, then we will not have many instances of forcing others into lives of unnecessary restriction. It's such a tiny thing to ask of us (and I say this as someone who hates the mask for the psychological reasons listed above).
I am talking about people very likely to die if they get COVID-19 should not be out in public places in this pandemic. Since most of us do not think, eat and sleep the way we know we "should" often then we know acting in our best interest concerning COVID-19 is viewed by most has highly optional. 4 -
ExistingFish wrote: »I'm in Nebraska, and not much of the daily grind has changed here. It did for about 6-8 weeks, but now things are opening back up. I work at 3 COVID testing facilities, so I have dealt with a lot of the highs and lows. Personally, other than my kids having online learning, I still go about business as usual.
The frustrating thing right now is that the schools still don't know how they are going to operate come fall. They allowed families to vote on 3 options, all of which are ugly....either A. We continue remote learning (which was a complete joke and left many kids, mine included, feeling set back) B. Schools split students down by 50% by rotating every other week. Again, not a great option since many parents will be back to work and daycare costs are outrages. C. Split the school day in half, with 50% of the kids going in the morning and the other 50% in the afternoon.
As for prep, our shelves are well stocked in the stores, with the exception of Lysol wipes. Most businesses are back up and running, and more and more people are starting to come out. As of yesterday's press conference, the hospitals in my area still have 80% vents available, and 75% of beds available.
I was incredibly sick in February, and testing negative for the FLU. One of the gals I was training just had an antibody test done because he mom was sick in January....they both had antibodies. If had the extra cash, I'd get tested because I am pretty much convinced I had it.
Huh? You have to pay to be tested for Covid? We don't.
I meant for the antibody testing, but yes....we have had people calling stating that they thought the COVID test was free. We send the tests through LabCorp and they have been charging nearly $100 for the test.
I haven't seen a bill for mine yet (antibody) - dr office made me sign a form saying I understood it may not be covered. Now my insurance says on their website that they will cover all covid related treatment and testing with no copays. They also refunded my copay for therapy because I did teletherapy.
Now if you give blood, they will give you a free antibody test. I think because they want to know if your blood has antibodies anyway, so they'll be testing anyway, and just give you the result.
I need to look into the blood donation/antibody test because I have been wanting to donate for a while, just waiting until I felt physically able to (it takes me a LONG time to recover).1 -
ExistingFish wrote: »I'm in Nebraska, and not much of the daily grind has changed here. It did for about 6-8 weeks, but now things are opening back up. I work at 3 COVID testing facilities, so I have dealt with a lot of the highs and lows. Personally, other than my kids having online learning, I still go about business as usual.
The frustrating thing right now is that the schools still don't know how they are going to operate come fall. They allowed families to vote on 3 options, all of which are ugly....either A. We continue remote learning (which was a complete joke and left many kids, mine included, feeling set back) B. Schools split students down by 50% by rotating every other week. Again, not a great option since many parents will be back to work and daycare costs are outrages. C. Split the school day in half, with 50% of the kids going in the morning and the other 50% in the afternoon.
As for prep, our shelves are well stocked in the stores, with the exception of Lysol wipes. Most businesses are back up and running, and more and more people are starting to come out. As of yesterday's press conference, the hospitals in my area still have 80% vents available, and 75% of beds available.
I was incredibly sick in February, and testing negative for the FLU. One of the gals I was training just had an antibody test done because he mom was sick in January....they both had antibodies. If had the extra cash, I'd get tested because I am pretty much convinced I had it.
Huh? You have to pay to be tested for Covid? We don't.
I meant for the antibody testing, but yes....we have had people calling stating that they thought the COVID test was free. We send the tests through LabCorp and they have been charging nearly $100 for the test.
Now if you give blood, they will give you a free antibody test. I think because they want to know if your blood has antibodies anyway, so they'll be testing anyway, and just give you the result.
This isn't universal. I donated last Thursday and they are not doing that.
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ExistingFish wrote: »I'm in Nebraska, and not much of the daily grind has changed here. It did for about 6-8 weeks, but now things are opening back up. I work at 3 COVID testing facilities, so I have dealt with a lot of the highs and lows. Personally, other than my kids having online learning, I still go about business as usual.
The frustrating thing right now is that the schools still don't know how they are going to operate come fall. They allowed families to vote on 3 options, all of which are ugly....either A. We continue remote learning (which was a complete joke and left many kids, mine included, feeling set back) B. Schools split students down by 50% by rotating every other week. Again, not a great option since many parents will be back to work and daycare costs are outrages. C. Split the school day in half, with 50% of the kids going in the morning and the other 50% in the afternoon.
As for prep, our shelves are well stocked in the stores, with the exception of Lysol wipes. Most businesses are back up and running, and more and more people are starting to come out. As of yesterday's press conference, the hospitals in my area still have 80% vents available, and 75% of beds available.
I was incredibly sick in February, and testing negative for the FLU. One of the gals I was training just had an antibody test done because he mom was sick in January....they both had antibodies. If had the extra cash, I'd get tested because I am pretty much convinced I had it.
Huh? You have to pay to be tested for Covid? We don't.
I meant for the antibody testing, but yes....we have had people calling stating that they thought the COVID test was free. We send the tests through LabCorp and they have been charging nearly $100 for the test.
Now if you give blood, they will give you a free antibody test. I think because they want to know if your blood has antibodies anyway, so they'll be testing anyway, and just give you the result.
This isn't universal. I donated last Thursday and they are not doing that.
They aren't doing that everywhere here, but I googled about and found a center (with locations around the country) that is:
https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/chicago-blood-center-offering-free-covid-19-antibody-test-with-donation/
Interesting.1 -
The Red Cross bus was parked at the Lowe's front door 3 days ago but I did not talk to anyone doing the collecting. The last I read the antibody testing results where high in false negative and false positive results. I want the test but am waiting for improved testing results.3
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Thought I'd share something creative I've done. We have a couple down the street we met last year when we moved into our subdivision. My wife and I are in our mid to late 50s and they are in their early 70s, but like the coolest couple we've met here. They are social distancing like we are but we miss their company.
We played a lot of Jokers and Marbles with them around the dining table (before Covid19) -- it's a fun game where it's like Trouble on steroids. https://www.amazon.com/Jokers-Marbles-Game-Brown-Player/dp/B00MS1GK44
Since they are being careful and we want to respect that, I bought like 150 of these wooden 3 inch circles --listed for crafts or for natural baby teethers on Walmart's site along with balls (the kind that go in the bounce houses -- they will be the "marbles"). Along with that, I bought some huge playing cards. With all of this, we can recreate a Jokers and Marbles game board on our back patio, all while sitting well over 6 feet apart (and outside for extra safety). I'll use a fruit picker (we have citrus trees) to move the balls as well, so I don't have to get on the ground everytime. Should be fun and interesting. Wife says I'm crazy.18 -
ExistingFish wrote: »I'm in Nebraska, and not much of the daily grind has changed here. It did for about 6-8 weeks, but now things are opening back up. I work at 3 COVID testing facilities, so I have dealt with a lot of the highs and lows. Personally, other than my kids having online learning, I still go about business as usual.
The frustrating thing right now is that the schools still don't know how they are going to operate come fall. They allowed families to vote on 3 options, all of which are ugly....either A. We continue remote learning (which was a complete joke and left many kids, mine included, feeling set back) B. Schools split students down by 50% by rotating every other week. Again, not a great option since many parents will be back to work and daycare costs are outrages. C. Split the school day in half, with 50% of the kids going in the morning and the other 50% in the afternoon.
As for prep, our shelves are well stocked in the stores, with the exception of Lysol wipes. Most businesses are back up and running, and more and more people are starting to come out. As of yesterday's press conference, the hospitals in my area still have 80% vents available, and 75% of beds available.
I was incredibly sick in February, and testing negative for the FLU. One of the gals I was training just had an antibody test done because he mom was sick in January....they both had antibodies. If had the extra cash, I'd get tested because I am pretty much convinced I had it.
Huh? You have to pay to be tested for Covid? We don't.
I meant for the antibody testing, but yes....we have had people calling stating that they thought the COVID test was free. We send the tests through LabCorp and they have been charging nearly $100 for the test.
Now if you give blood, they will give you a free antibody test. I think because they want to know if your blood has antibodies anyway, so they'll be testing anyway, and just give you the result.
This isn't universal. I donated last Thursday and they are not doing that.
They aren't doing that everywhere here, but I googled about and found a center (with locations around the country) that is:
https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/chicago-blood-center-offering-free-covid-19-antibody-test-with-donation/
Interesting.
Did a GIS and apparently the Red Cross is doing it everywhere. Other blood donation centers are doing it on a location-by-location basis.3
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