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Face mask or no face mask?
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corinasue1143 wrote: »amorfati601070 wrote: »cosmiqrecovery wrote: »amorfati601070 wrote: »For those areas mandating wearing masks now, how does it get enforced? I'm just curious because our state will start mandating masks 8/1 and I'm so glad! But my thought is, who's going to listen then if they're not bothering now and who's going to enforce the issue?
The police have the ability to fine you $200. However, they will most likely ask you if you have a mask and if you don't they will offer to give you one. If you still refuse you get the fine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7C5vpbISSI
This video makes me rage.
$200???? wow it's like they actually want there to be consequences for bad behavior. my city's fine is a whopping $9.
9 bucks?? Its an amount so small Id probably just forget to pay it lmao. Not that would happen tho (pro mask).
It is actually $9 and they offer you a mask and ask you to put it on or leave. Second offense=same, third offense, the fine is $200, so there actually could be consequences, but yes, it’s more of a request to wear one first.
ah i thought i might have heard it eventually escalates, thanks. guess that does leave room for the people who genuinely do forget one to have a couple strikes, but by the third time plus you're definitely clowning.0 -
I'd rather wear this
than cause someone else to have to wear this
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Today, I had to go to the county building with some paperwork. Five staff members have the 'Rona after attending a meeting at a local eating joint. There was some plexiglass up but sigh, the locals weren't wearing any masks behind the glass and coming in the door. I'm helping the older ones get all of their affairs in order and it is breaking my heart.
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Only wear one b/c I’ve been assaulted multiple times by other customers when trying to pick up my seizure meds and groceries. Was specifically told by my neuro NOT to wear them (even carry a medical note with me) b/c they cause me to overheat & seize, & pose a suffocation risk if i have a grand mal. Apparently covid looks the other way if you’re attacking someone for having a preexisting condition.7
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I am worried about my civil rights so for that reason I WEAR A MASK. If I don't and the virus continues to spread unchecked then I might lose a freedom I actually care about.
I never waited for it to be mandated. I have worn one most of the time in public since near the beginning. I say most because it took a little time to get in the habit so I missed a few times. Now my habit is solid. About 50 feet from a public entrance is my mental cue and I keep extra masks in my vehicle in case I don't have one on me.
I have done fairly aerobic charity work in the hot sun while wearing one. When I was physically in need of a break I distanced myself and took a break from the mask too. I think that is more of a mental need than a physical one though.
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unstableunicorn wrote: »Only wear one b/c I’ve been assaulted multiple times by other customers when trying to pick up my seizure meds and groceries. Was specifically told by my neuro NOT to wear them (even carry a medical note with me) b/c they cause me to overheat & seize, & pose a suffocation risk if i have a grand mal. Apparently covid looks the other way if you’re attacking someone for having a preexisting condition.
Can you explain what you mean by that?
If wearing a mask seriously interferes with a pre-existing condition, then by all means you should not wear one IF it's what your doctor says. IDK what kind of pre-existing condition that might be, seeing as I know people with COPD and emphysema who wear them all the time and only complain about the discomfort. I'm sure they exist, there are exceptions for every rule, and rules for every exception.
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will_it_go_round_in_circles wrote: »unstableunicorn wrote: »Only wear one b/c I’ve been assaulted multiple times by other customers when trying to pick up my seizure meds and groceries. Was specifically told by my neuro NOT to wear them (even carry a medical note with me) b/c they cause me to overheat & seize, & pose a suffocation risk if i have a grand mal. Apparently covid looks the other way if you’re attacking someone for having a preexisting condition.
Can you explain what you mean by that?
If wearing a mask seriously interferes with a pre-existing condition, then by all means you should not wear one IF it's what your doctor says. IDK what kind of pre-existing condition that might be, seeing as I know people with COPD and emphysema who wear them all the time and only complain about the discomfort. I'm sure they exist, there are exceptions for every rule, and rules for every exception.
The same people who have assaulted me refuse to use sanitizer and broke distancing and even torn off their own mask to spit on me. Even gone out of their way (20+ feet down an aisle) to do so. Last time I was given a concussion and suffered a grand mal later that day as a result.
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amorfati601070 wrote: »For those areas mandating wearing masks now, how does it get enforced? I'm just curious because our state will start mandating masks 8/1 and I'm so glad! But my thought is, who's going to listen then if they're not bothering now and who's going to enforce the issue?
The police have the ability to fine you $200. However, they will most likely ask you if you have a mask and if you don't they will offer to give you one. If you still refuse you get the fine.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7C5vpbISSI
This video makes me rage.
Amazingly polite employees and police officers, despite having to deal with an adult acting like a two-year-old (repeatedly asking the same questions over and over, and denying the validity of the answers). But I'm guessing the narrator's low subscribership issue isn't because people are repeatedly watching without subscribing. I'm thinking he just has really high turnover because most people can't stand to listen to him say "guys" one more time.2 -
I've been working at home since the start of the pandemic so I haven't worn a mask a lot, but when outside of the house I always have it with me. I don't wear it outside when it's just me or just me an my family, but in stores, public spaces, areas with people gathering, etc. for sure.
The way that I've looked at it from the beginning was wear it as it does little other than be a minor nuisance/inconvenience for what could help. With the naysayers (I have a lot in my family) I tell them I'd rather wear it and be wrong and have hurt no-one, than to not wear it and cause someone to become deathly ill/die.
I'm not perfect because it hasn't become habit with as little as I get out but I have it with me and sometimes its just a matter of seeing someone else to remember.4 -
will_it_go_round_in_circles wrote: »unstableunicorn wrote: »Only wear one b/c I’ve been assaulted multiple times by other customers when trying to pick up my seizure meds and groceries. Was specifically told by my neuro NOT to wear them (even carry a medical note with me) b/c they cause me to overheat & seize, & pose a suffocation risk if i have a grand mal. Apparently covid looks the other way if you’re attacking someone for having a preexisting condition.
Can you explain what you mean by that?
If wearing a mask seriously interferes with a pre-existing condition, then by all means you should not wear one IF it's what your doctor says. IDK what kind of pre-existing condition that might be, seeing as I know people with COPD and emphysema who wear them all the time and only complain about the discomfort. I'm sure they exist, there are exceptions for every rule, and rules for every exception.
Kind of. If one has a condition that makes wearing a mask difficult, the store should provide reasonable accommodations to allow purchase with the person not having to enter the store, such as curbside pick up or delivery. Things like the ADA require reasonable accommodations, but putting other people at risk of pandemic infection is not a reasonable accommodation.
The whole situation should have been handled in a rather different way.9 -
unstableunicorn wrote: »will_it_go_round_in_circles wrote: »unstableunicorn wrote: »Only wear one b/c I’ve been assaulted multiple times by other customers when trying to pick up my seizure meds and groceries. Was specifically told by my neuro NOT to wear them (even carry a medical note with me) b/c they cause me to overheat & seize, & pose a suffocation risk if i have a grand mal. Apparently covid looks the other way if you’re attacking someone for having a preexisting condition.
Can you explain what you mean by that?
If wearing a mask seriously interferes with a pre-existing condition, then by all means you should not wear one IF it's what your doctor says. IDK what kind of pre-existing condition that might be, seeing as I know people with COPD and emphysema who wear them all the time and only complain about the discomfort. I'm sure they exist, there are exceptions for every rule, and rules for every exception.
The same people who have assaulted me refuse to use sanitizer and broke distancing and even torn off their own mask to spit on me. Even gone out of their way (20+ feet down an aisle) to do so. Last time I was given a concussion and suffered a grand mal later that day as a result.
If people are assaulting you with impunity in retail stores and giving you concussions, it sounds like your area might have even larger problems than COVID-19. Where I live, which has a mask mandate, I've seen people shopping without masks and they're generally given the benefit of the doubt that they have a good reason not to wear one (I'm sure some of them DON'T, but it's likely that some of them do). That's why I think it's even more important for those of us who can wear them to wear them.
But really, if someone is going to assault you, spit on you, and give you a concussion and nobody in the area thinks that's worth addressing or reporting, the fact that they didn't sanitize their hands first is really . . . not the relevant thing.8 -
unstableunicorn wrote: »Only wear one b/c I’ve been assaulted multiple times by other customers when trying to pick up my seizure meds and groceries. Was specifically told by my neuro NOT to wear them (even carry a medical note with me) b/c they cause me to overheat & seize, & pose a suffocation risk if i have a grand mal. Apparently covid looks the other way if you’re attacking someone for having a preexisting condition.
That’s so sad. Hugs. Could you try something like this?
Don’t know if it would work for you, but I have seen people wearing them.
I’ve even seen them on sale at a grocery store.
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I'm not a scientist-- I don't know whose information I'm supposed to trust. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but historically, in every country, drama like this goes down during every election year. Which does make me reluctant to trust any news or educated professional.
I wear a mask because I am not opinionated enough about it to go one way or another, and people seem more offended by people not wearing a mask. I do not wear it while I am out for run/walks as I live in Louisiana have trouble breathing normal hot air as it is and no one is around.1 -
unstableunicorn wrote: »will_it_go_round_in_circles wrote: »unstableunicorn wrote: »Only wear one b/c I’ve been assaulted multiple times by other customers when trying to pick up my seizure meds and groceries. Was specifically told by my neuro NOT to wear them (even carry a medical note with me) b/c they cause me to overheat & seize, & pose a suffocation risk if i have a grand mal. Apparently covid looks the other way if you’re attacking someone for having a preexisting condition.
Can you explain what you mean by that?
If wearing a mask seriously interferes with a pre-existing condition, then by all means you should not wear one IF it's what your doctor says. IDK what kind of pre-existing condition that might be, seeing as I know people with COPD and emphysema who wear them all the time and only complain about the discomfort. I'm sure they exist, there are exceptions for every rule, and rules for every exception.
The same people who have assaulted me refuse to use sanitizer and broke distancing and even torn off their own mask to spit on me. Even gone out of their way (20+ feet down an aisle) to do so. Last time I was given a concussion and suffered a grand mal later that day as a result.
Dang, I'm sorry. Covid or no, that's inexcusable human behavior.2 -
Of course I wear one. Yes, it's mandated where I am, but it's also one of the things I can do to be responsible. I want to be part of the solution, even in a small way, rather than part of the problem. Like maintaining distance, I wear a mask to protect others from any risk I may inadvertently present. And honestly, it's less difficult than wrestling myself into a sports bra.
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magnusthenerd wrote: »will_it_go_round_in_circles wrote: »unstableunicorn wrote: »Only wear one b/c I’ve been assaulted multiple times by other customers when trying to pick up my seizure meds and groceries. Was specifically told by my neuro NOT to wear them (even carry a medical note with me) b/c they cause me to overheat & seize, & pose a suffocation risk if i have a grand mal. Apparently covid looks the other way if you’re attacking someone for having a preexisting condition.
Can you explain what you mean by that?
If wearing a mask seriously interferes with a pre-existing condition, then by all means you should not wear one IF it's what your doctor says. IDK what kind of pre-existing condition that might be, seeing as I know people with COPD and emphysema who wear them all the time and only complain about the discomfort. I'm sure they exist, there are exceptions for every rule, and rules for every exception.
Kind of. If one has a condition that makes wearing a mask difficult, the store should provide reasonable accommodations to allow purchase with the person not having to enter the store, such as curbside pick up or delivery. Things like the ADA require reasonable accommodations, but putting other people at risk of pandemic infection is not a reasonable accommodation.
The whole situation should have been handled in a rather different way.
Yeah you said it better, I really struggled with that0 -
breefoshee wrote: »I'm not a scientist-- I don't know whose information I'm supposed to trust. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but historically, in every country, drama like this goes down during every election year. Which does make me reluctant to trust any news or educated professional.
I wear a mask because I am not opinionated enough about it to go one way or another, and people seem more offended by people not wearing a mask. I do not wear it while I am out for run/walks as I live in Louisiana have trouble breathing normal hot air as it is and no one is around.
I'm forty years old and I don't remember any drama quite like THIS before any election. I'm comfortable assuming that COVID-19 is an actual thing.14 -
janejellyroll wrote: »breefoshee wrote: »I'm not a scientist-- I don't know whose information I'm supposed to trust. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but historically, in every country, drama like this goes down during every election year. Which does make me reluctant to trust any news or educated professional.
I wear a mask because I am not opinionated enough about it to go one way or another, and people seem more offended by people not wearing a mask. I do not wear it while I am out for run/walks as I live in Louisiana have trouble breathing normal hot air as it is and no one is around.
I'm forty years old and I don't remember any drama quite like THIS before any election. I'm comfortable assuming that COVID-19 is an actual thing.
I think it is a "thing", I'm just not sure about the hype around it and whose numbers to trust. Ultimately, everyone is just choosing what they consider to be facts--but when there are "facts" on both sides, it becomes faith. Faith that your information is more accurate than the guy next to you's.
For me, it's just more of a wait and see deal. I've lived in a few different countries and a lot of the 2020 US controversies seem typical to the election seasons of other places in the world. I'm just being as safe as I can with the information I have, while waiting to see what happens next.1 -
breefoshee wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »breefoshee wrote: »I'm not a scientist-- I don't know whose information I'm supposed to trust. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but historically, in every country, drama like this goes down during every election year. Which does make me reluctant to trust any news or educated professional.
I wear a mask because I am not opinionated enough about it to go one way or another, and people seem more offended by people not wearing a mask. I do not wear it while I am out for run/walks as I live in Louisiana have trouble breathing normal hot air as it is and no one is around.
I'm forty years old and I don't remember any drama quite like THIS before any election. I'm comfortable assuming that COVID-19 is an actual thing.
I think it is a "thing", I'm just not sure about the hype around it and whose numbers to trust. Ultimately, everyone is just choosing what they consider to be facts--but when there are "facts" on both sides, it becomes faith. Faith that your information is more accurate than the guy next to you's.
For me, it's just more of a wait and see deal. I've lived in a few different countries and a lot of the 2020 US controversies seem typical to the election seasons of other places in the world. I'm just being as safe as I can with the information I have, while waiting to see what happens next.
I don't consider it "faith" to have general confidence in the public health department of my state. That's my main source of information for my local area. Now if there was evidence that they were lying, misrepresenting, or not competent, that would be something to take into account. But a reflexive distrust of public health officials in the absence of information that they're not worthy of trust -- as of today, I don't think that's a rational decision.
During previous health issues (for example, food illness outbreaks and influenza), Minnesota public health officials have demonstrated themselves to be competent and committed to keeping the public informed. It may turn out that they've decided to take the opposite tack now and mislead the public that they have previously assisted, that for reasons that we don't now understand they want people to wear masks and limit their activities in a way that harms the economy. It may turn out that they've either deceived the governor of my state (and the mayor of my city) (or that these two are maliciously going along with a conspiracy to cause fear in their constituents). But that would be purely speculative as there is no evidence that is the case. That's the faith-based position, IMO (if we take "faith" to mean, believing something for which there is no evidence).
I can't speak to the public health officials in your state. Perhaps they have previously demonstrated that they are willing to work against the best interests of the public and it is rational to question their data and recommendations.
If it comes down to "choosing facts," I don't really see a good argument against choosing those from public health officials (given what we know today). What's the alternative?13 -
janejellyroll wrote: »breefoshee wrote: »I'm not a scientist-- I don't know whose information I'm supposed to trust. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but historically, in every country, drama like this goes down during every election year. Which does make me reluctant to trust any news or educated professional.
I wear a mask because I am not opinionated enough about it to go one way or another, and people seem more offended by people not wearing a mask. I do not wear it while I am out for run/walks as I live in Louisiana have trouble breathing normal hot air as it is and no one is around.
I'm forty years old and I don't remember any drama quite like THIS before any election. I'm comfortable assuming that COVID-19 is an actual thing.
I can add almost 25 years to that (I'll be 65 later this year), and I'd put it more strongly: There has not been anything like this before any election within my memory, and I remember elections going back to the 1960s. (Speaking here only of the US.)
Civil rights era of early 1960s, Watergate break-ins and president resigning, 1968 Chicago political convention riots, large scale Vietnam war protests, 4 college students shot by the US National Guard, women's rights movement, oil shortage, assassinations of presidential candidate and other national leaders, stagflation, acid rain, burning rivers, 15%+ mortgage interest rates with 20% minimum downpayments, Oklahoma City bombings, 9/11, . . . I remember a lot of stuff, and it was somewhat dramatic at times. Generally, *reactions* (not events) froth up a little extra near elections, but only a little. Mostly, dramatic things happen all the time, nearly every year, election or no.
Within my memory, only 1968 comes close for controversy and devisiveness. Then, and now (IMO), the events and phenomena were real and organic (not manufactured for political reasons), and the political devisiveness had to do with how people felt the government was handling those real events, or should be handling those real events.
The somewhat widespread idea that the events (in this case, the pandemic) were pure invention, not actually happening, but manufactured just for political reasons? That's new, in my memory.17
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