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Which practices? The ones that many parents taught their children while growing up? Wash your hands before eating. Cover your nose when you sneeze. Wash your hands after using the toilet. Cover your mouth when you cough. Wash your hands after touching money. Don't lie in bed with clothes you wore outdoors. By the way, did I mention wash your hands?
Why are normal civilized people no longer doing these things??
After returning to the office for 4 days this week, I’m pretty confident half my coworkers have spent their summer doing drugs or something else to wipe off all brain cells that carry learned human decency and guidelines. It has consistently always been the rule, first as general human decency and then as official HR policy, that you wash your hands with water and soap when you come in to any space from outdoors. We have hand sanitizer bottles all around the office, but at this point everyone should know water and soap are better and hand sanitizer should be used as complementary add-in or when proper hand-washing isn’t available. Some of the discussions I’ve had this week include:
”Please wash your hands first, you just came in from outside”
”But I only touched a few doorknobs”
”Still.” (Me in my head: yeah, you went outside, probably touched your face while smoking, and then used the doors and elevators in this 11-floor office building that has quite a lot of people)
”Please wash your hands with water and soap”
”But I’m using hand sanitizer”
”That’s great as an addition, but doesn’t replace soap”
”Huh, since when?”
”It never has...”
After referencing these discussions the CEO gave me permission to start giving personal office bans at my discretion for those who can’t or won’t follow the hygiene rules. At this point being allowed to leave home and come to work at the office is a privilege and those who don’t follow the rules to make it safe for others won’t be allowed to use it. If people want to ignore hygiene and safety rules, they can do it in the privacy of their own home where they won’t risk their colleagues. They just have to deal with focusing on work with their kids jumping around etc., but life is full of choices and everyone is welcome to continue working from home if hand-washing at the office is too much trouble.
Sooooo... if they stuck their hand in dog poop, would hand sanitizer be enough?? Ew.
I remember walking through the halls of a local hospital with a lady (she was over quality control) and she said hand sanitizer doesn’t even work for C.Diff and made sure we all washed our hands well before we left... I definitely don’t rely on sanitizer unless I have to, if soap and water is available, that’s what I will choose (and maybe a layer of sanitizer afterwards for good measure).6 -
The Romans used to use vinegar in the bathroom, just a thought.2
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Which practices? The ones that many parents taught their children while growing up? Wash your hands before eating. Cover your nose when you sneeze. Wash your hands after using the toilet. Cover your mouth when you cough. Wash your hands after touching money. Don't lie in bed with clothes you wore outdoors. By the way, did I mention wash your hands?
Why are normal civilized people no longer doing these things??
After returning to the office for 4 days this week, I’m pretty confident half my coworkers have spent their summer doing drugs or something else to wipe off all brain cells that carry learned human decency and guidelines. It has consistently always been the rule, first as general human decency and then as official HR policy, that you wash your hands with water and soap when you come in to any space from outdoors. We have hand sanitizer bottles all around the office, but at this point everyone should know water and soap are better and hand sanitizer should be used as complementary add-in or when proper hand-washing isn’t available. Some of the discussions I’ve had this week include:
”Please wash your hands first, you just came in from outside”
”But I only touched a few doorknobs”
”Still.” (Me in my head: yeah, you went outside, probably touched your face while smoking, and then used the doors and elevators in this 11-floor office building that has quite a lot of people)
”Please wash your hands with water and soap”
”But I’m using hand sanitizer”
”That’s great as an addition, but doesn’t replace soap”
”Huh, since when?”
”It never has...”
After referencing these discussions the CEO gave me permission to start giving personal office bans at my discretion for those who can’t or won’t follow the hygiene rules. At this point being allowed to leave home and come to work at the office is a privilege and those who don’t follow the rules to make it safe for others won’t be allowed to use it. If people want to ignore hygiene and safety rules, they can do it in the privacy of their own home where they won’t risk their colleagues. They just have to deal with focusing on work with their kids jumping around etc., but life is full of choices and everyone is welcome to continue working from home if hand-washing at the office is too much trouble.
Wow!! I wouldn't want to be the one sending workers back home, but I guess you need to take action if people are so dumb.
In our workplace there are handwashing signs everywhere, and extra taps and sinks have been installed. It is also mentioned at every huddle or staff meeting. It just simply is the new normal.
Masks, distancing, and temperature checks are also part of the daily routine. Everything is being done to protect everyone else and keep the workplace safe.3 -
The Romans used to use vinegar in the bathroom, just a thought.
From what I've read, there's no evidence vinegar kills this coronavirus, so it's good the Romans didn't have Covid-19 around, I guess. (I gather vinegar does kill or at least hinder some other bad stuff.)
https://www.consumerreports.org/cleaning/common-household-products-that-can-destroy-novel-coronavirus/3 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Mike Dewine, as it turns out, tested negative (the Governor of Ohio). He took a second test and the second one was negative. The first test he took was a rapid testing machine, which has around a 90% accuracy. Just another reason for Ohioans to deny that it even exists.
The conspiracy theorists are out in larger numbers than ever. My wife was talking to a friend (also from Ohio) in TN now. Her son knows a friend of a friend that was in line for testing and left early and then got a positive test result all without ever actually doing a test. Sound familiar?? Facebook just kicked off a group of bots yesterday found to be spreading this type of false information from a radical political organization. So if anyone you know fell for this story, it's likely they have been listening to Russian trolls.
I mentioned viral loads yesterday. S Korea just released a study where those that are asymptomatic have shown they can spread viral loads that are just as strong as someone that is very sick. And as a matter of fact, they are spreading MORE viral load right before they get sick, if they ever show symptoms at all. So those walking around without masks, that are now asymptomatic, are the greatest risk to all of us. That's what makes this thing such a nightmare to control.
Happened to a friend of my wife's here in IL too. For sure there are going to be screw ups with this many tests but I personally believe this person (even though some on here may think I'm spreading conspiracy info
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This sounds like the testing facility is creating an ordered list of patients as they get in line, and nobody is double-checking at the testing point that the next person in line is the next person on the list. People who leave after they get in line are probably screwing up the association of test results with patients for everybody after them.8 -
yes it is not impossible that occasionally test results get returned to wrong patient.
I have seen that occasionally too - not with covid, just in general - 2 patients have a very similar name and age or a form gets printed out from patient B's file and patient A takes it to get a blood test, result comes back under patient B.
obviously there are safeguards agaisnt this -but very occasionally one slips through.
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Which practices? The ones that many parents taught their children while growing up? Wash your hands before eating. Cover your nose when you sneeze. Wash your hands after using the toilet. Cover your mouth when you cough. Wash your hands after touching money. Don't lie in bed with clothes you wore outdoors. By the way, did I mention wash your hands?
Why are normal civilized people no longer doing these things??
After returning to the office for 4 days this week, I’m pretty confident half my coworkers have spent their summer doing drugs or something else to wipe off all brain cells that carry learned human decency and guidelines. It has consistently always been the rule, first as general human decency and then as official HR policy, that you wash your hands with water and soap when you come in to any space from outdoors. We have hand sanitizer bottles all around the office, but at this point everyone should know water and soap are better and hand sanitizer should be used as complementary add-in or when proper hand-washing isn’t available. Some of the discussions I’ve had this week include:
”Please wash your hands first, you just came in from outside”
”But I only touched a few doorknobs”
”Still.” (Me in my head: yeah, you went outside, probably touched your face while smoking, and then used the doors and elevators in this 11-floor office building that has quite a lot of people)
”Please wash your hands with water and soap”
”But I’m using hand sanitizer”
”That’s great as an addition, but doesn’t replace soap”
”Huh, since when?”
”It never has...”
After referencing these discussions the CEO gave me permission to start giving personal office bans at my discretion for those who can’t or won’t follow the hygiene rules. At this point being allowed to leave home and come to work at the office is a privilege and those who don’t follow the rules to make it safe for others won’t be allowed to use it. If people want to ignore hygiene and safety rules, they can do it in the privacy of their own home where they won’t risk their colleagues. They just have to deal with focusing on work with their kids jumping around etc., but life is full of choices and everyone is welcome to continue working from home if hand-washing at the office is too much trouble.
Wow!! I wouldn't want to be the one sending workers back home, but I guess you need to take action if people are so dumb.
In our workplace there are handwashing signs everywhere, and extra taps and sinks have been installed. It is also mentioned at every huddle or staff meeting. It just simply is the new normal.
Masks, distancing, and temperature checks are also part of the daily routine. Everything is being done to protect everyone else and keep the workplace safe.
IMO, to be honest, if grown *kitten* adults need to be told to wash their hands the train has already left the station and no amount of HR signs and announcements will do any good.10 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »
Which practices? The ones that many parents taught their children while growing up? Wash your hands before eating. Cover your nose when you sneeze. Wash your hands after using the toilet. Cover your mouth when you cough. Wash your hands after touching money. Don't lie in bed with clothes you wore outdoors. By the way, did I mention wash your hands?
Why are normal civilized people no longer doing these things??
After returning to the office for 4 days this week, I’m pretty confident half my coworkers have spent their summer doing drugs or something else to wipe off all brain cells that carry learned human decency and guidelines. It has consistently always been the rule, first as general human decency and then as official HR policy, that you wash your hands with water and soap when you come in to any space from outdoors. We have hand sanitizer bottles all around the office, but at this point everyone should know water and soap are better and hand sanitizer should be used as complementary add-in or when proper hand-washing isn’t available. Some of the discussions I’ve had this week include:
”Please wash your hands first, you just came in from outside”
”But I only touched a few doorknobs”
”Still.” (Me in my head: yeah, you went outside, probably touched your face while smoking, and then used the doors and elevators in this 11-floor office building that has quite a lot of people)
”Please wash your hands with water and soap”
”But I’m using hand sanitizer”
”That’s great as an addition, but doesn’t replace soap”
”Huh, since when?”
”It never has...”
After referencing these discussions the CEO gave me permission to start giving personal office bans at my discretion for those who can’t or won’t follow the hygiene rules. At this point being allowed to leave home and come to work at the office is a privilege and those who don’t follow the rules to make it safe for others won’t be allowed to use it. If people want to ignore hygiene and safety rules, they can do it in the privacy of their own home where they won’t risk their colleagues. They just have to deal with focusing on work with their kids jumping around etc., but life is full of choices and everyone is welcome to continue working from home if hand-washing at the office is too much trouble.
Wow!! I wouldn't want to be the one sending workers back home, but I guess you need to take action if people are so dumb.
In our workplace there are handwashing signs everywhere, and extra taps and sinks have been installed. It is also mentioned at every huddle or staff meeting. It just simply is the new normal.
Masks, distancing, and temperature checks are also part of the daily routine. Everything is being done to protect everyone else and keep the workplace safe.
IMO, to be honest, if grown *kitten* adults need to be told to wash their hands the train has already left the station and no amount of HR signs and announcements will do any good.
Well said and I feel like most people didn't get the memo about any of this. We are b*ggered.5 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »
Which practices? The ones that many parents taught their children while growing up? Wash your hands before eating. Cover your nose when you sneeze. Wash your hands after using the toilet. Cover your mouth when you cough. Wash your hands after touching money. Don't lie in bed with clothes you wore outdoors. By the way, did I mention wash your hands?
Why are normal civilized people no longer doing these things??
After returning to the office for 4 days this week, I’m pretty confident half my coworkers have spent their summer doing drugs or something else to wipe off all brain cells that carry learned human decency and guidelines. It has consistently always been the rule, first as general human decency and then as official HR policy, that you wash your hands with water and soap when you come in to any space from outdoors. We have hand sanitizer bottles all around the office, but at this point everyone should know water and soap are better and hand sanitizer should be used as complementary add-in or when proper hand-washing isn’t available. Some of the discussions I’ve had this week include:
”Please wash your hands first, you just came in from outside”
”But I only touched a few doorknobs”
”Still.” (Me in my head: yeah, you went outside, probably touched your face while smoking, and then used the doors and elevators in this 11-floor office building that has quite a lot of people)
”Please wash your hands with water and soap”
”But I’m using hand sanitizer”
”That’s great as an addition, but doesn’t replace soap”
”Huh, since when?”
”It never has...”
After referencing these discussions the CEO gave me permission to start giving personal office bans at my discretion for those who can’t or won’t follow the hygiene rules. At this point being allowed to leave home and come to work at the office is a privilege and those who don’t follow the rules to make it safe for others won’t be allowed to use it. If people want to ignore hygiene and safety rules, they can do it in the privacy of their own home where they won’t risk their colleagues. They just have to deal with focusing on work with their kids jumping around etc., but life is full of choices and everyone is welcome to continue working from home if hand-washing at the office is too much trouble.
Wow!! I wouldn't want to be the one sending workers back home, but I guess you need to take action if people are so dumb.
In our workplace there are handwashing signs everywhere, and extra taps and sinks have been installed. It is also mentioned at every huddle or staff meeting. It just simply is the new normal.
Masks, distancing, and temperature checks are also part of the daily routine. Everything is being done to protect everyone else and keep the workplace safe.
IMO, to be honest, if grown *kitten* adults need to be told to wash their hands the train has already left the station and no amount of HR signs and announcements will do any good.
Yep. The thing that bothers me most about those discussions is that the reaction isn’t ”oh crap I spaced out, will wash immediately” but instead some sort of complaining about not wanting to do it for reason X.
The rules are in place for a reason, and as head of HR I will be enforcing them. It’s not fair to let the few idiots run wild at the office and risk those who want to come in, focus on their work without at-home distractions, and follow the rules to keep themselves and everyone around the as safe as possible. The office is not a playground for misbehaving children, it’s a workplace where people should be able to be safe and focus on their work like adults.
From HR viewpoint, people get used to signs so fast they are only useful for a day or two, after that they’re really just virtue signaling that we care and have plans in place, and they show the right message for the few guests that do come in. I’m hoping I don’t have to start actually banning people, hopefully having 1-on-1 discussions about rules being enforced and bans being issued for further non-compliance is enough of a threat.
(Yeah, I probably shouldn’t call my colleagues idiots or misbehaving children, but I’m human and they’re risking my health too.)12 -
Found our something interesting. Our local school district announced they are scrapping a hybrid plan and will be all remote learning for the first quarter. Talking to a neighbor who is a junior high teacher he said they were told all the teachers will run the remote classes from the schools as opposed to WFH as the did last spring.
Guess the district is trying to get rid of distractions from the teacher's own kids.2 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »CNN (I know some of you think it's a communist news network) had a segment on yesterday that scared the daylights out of me. It was a woman, in her 20s, that was a Machine Learning PhD scientist. First of all, you have to be flat out brilliant to do this kind of work. As an Executive Search consultant, I've placed people in this arena. They are way smarter than I will ever be. She couldn't work after like four months post Covid-19 because she couldn't think as clearly. She's getting better, but it's coming slow. She said she couldn't even focus on the plot of a movie post Covid-19 and was watching cartoons just to be able to follow a plot. That is terrifying to me. I make a living with my ability to think. Probably more terrifying to me than dying would be to lose my cognitive skills.
Just to add, and many more have alluded to this on this ongoing thread over time. If Covid-19 is affecting the brain, there's potential for long-term damage that we just simply can't predict. I know many scientists reexamining, right now, if bacterial infections can contribute to Alzheimer's. Lupus, they think, starts with a virus. B Breve, a common strain of bacteria found in your microbiome, has been found to rapidly improve early dementia (very recently).
When you have a virus that is clearly affecting the brain in some people, it's just another reason that it's clearly not "the flu or a cold".
First, stop watching CNN. Whether or not it is the Communist News Network, it's not a source of good information especially on the C19. Instead, I suggest you and everyone else watch information from actual doctors that are treating this illness. One of the sources that have been recognized in peer reviewed studies on quality information about C19 is the MedCram channel on Youtube that was a channel dedicated to providing training for medical professionals prior to this outbreak. They have provided over 100 COVID updates now. I highly recommend this channel. It requires a bit more from its viewers especially those that were chemistry and biology challenged in school, but it's still worth your time even if you were.
Having said that, the "long haulers" as they are called is a real phenomenon and not a rare one. Check out MedCram update 99
https://youtu.be/tFXr14xmuGw where Dr. Seheult reviews the data on long haulers and what they are facing. There are now peer reviewed studies emerging on the impact of C19 on people who have "recovered" and what the sequelae appear to be. Take a look, both at the update and the channel in general.
On the general topic of where you get your information, the news media, in a peer reviewed study about available information on C19, judged the information provided by them so bad it verged on disinformation. Same with hospitals. Individual Doctors were the best. Along with MedCram, I would say Dr. Mike Hansen and Dr John Campbell have provided quality information based mostly on peer reviewed studies or at least they cite their sources for everything they report on their channels so you are free to evaluate it yourself.7 -
Goodness, I don’t envy you having to enforce those rules, but good on you for trying.Theoldguy1 wrote: »
Which practices? The ones that many parents taught their children while growing up? Wash your hands before eating. Cover your nose when you sneeze. Wash your hands after using the toilet. Cover your mouth when you cough. Wash your hands after touching money. Don't lie in bed with clothes you wore outdoors. By the way, did I mention wash your hands?
Why are normal civilized people no longer doing these things??
After returning to the office for 4 days this week, I’m pretty confident half my coworkers have spent their summer doing drugs or something else to wipe off all brain cells that carry learned human decency and guidelines. It has consistently always been the rule, first as general human decency and then as official HR policy, that you wash your hands with water and soap when you come in to any space from outdoors. We have hand sanitizer bottles all around the office, but at this point everyone should know water and soap are better and hand sanitizer should be used as complementary add-in or when proper hand-washing isn’t available. Some of the discussions I’ve had this week include:
”Please wash your hands first, you just came in from outside”
”But I only touched a few doorknobs”
”Still.” (Me in my head: yeah, you went outside, probably touched your face while smoking, and then used the doors and elevators in this 11-floor office building that has quite a lot of people)
”Please wash your hands with water and soap”
”But I’m using hand sanitizer”
”That’s great as an addition, but doesn’t replace soap”
”Huh, since when?”
”It never has...”
After referencing these discussions the CEO gave me permission to start giving personal office bans at my discretion for those who can’t or won’t follow the hygiene rules. At this point being allowed to leave home and come to work at the office is a privilege and those who don’t follow the rules to make it safe for others won’t be allowed to use it. If people want to ignore hygiene and safety rules, they can do it in the privacy of their own home where they won’t risk their colleagues. They just have to deal with focusing on work with their kids jumping around etc., but life is full of choices and everyone is welcome to continue working from home if hand-washing at the office is too much trouble.
Wow!! I wouldn't want to be the one sending workers back home, but I guess you need to take action if people are so dumb.
In our workplace there are handwashing signs everywhere, and extra taps and sinks have been installed. It is also mentioned at every huddle or staff meeting. It just simply is the new normal.
Masks, distancing, and temperature checks are also part of the daily routine. Everything is being done to protect everyone else and keep the workplace safe.
IMO, to be honest, if grown *kitten* adults need to be told to wash their hands the train has already left the station and no amount of HR signs and announcements will do any good.
Yep. The thing that bothers me most about those discussions is that the reaction isn’t ”oh crap I spaced out, will wash immediately” but instead some sort of complaining about not wanting to do it for reason X.
The rules are in place for a reason, and as head of HR I will be enforcing them. It’s not fair to let the few idiots run wild at the office and risk those who want to come in, focus on their work without at-home distractions, and follow the rules to keep themselves and everyone around the as safe as possible. The office is not a playground for misbehaving children, it’s a workplace where people should be able to be safe and focus on their work like adults.
From HR viewpoint, people get used to signs so fast they are only useful for a day or two, after that they’re really just virtue signaling that we care and have plans in place, and they show the right message for the few guests that do come in. I’m hoping I don’t have to start actually banning people, hopefully having 1-on-1 discussions about rules being enforced and bans being issued for further non-compliance is enough of a threat.
(Yeah, I probably shouldn’t call my colleagues idiots or misbehaving children, but I’m human and they’re risking my health too.)
As I’ve mentioned before, I have been aware of other people’s germ-spreading behaviors for a while now, due to periodically being on immune-suppressing medication. It’s not a surprise to me that most adults don’t wash their hands, won’t cover their mouths during a cough or sneeze, and are downright hostile if someone suggests that they should avoid others while symptomatic. I work from home and don’t go out much, and caught four separate colds last winter due to others. I can probably pinpoint the exact person who gave me each illness, since they typically came on two to four days after being near the child with fever and a cough lying down on a restaurant booth during an adult drinking party because “I couldn’t leave him with a sitter when he’s sick,” or the lady with a rattling chest cough not covering her mouth and bumping me from behind in line at the grocery. Or the young fireman staring vacantly into space coughing constantly not covering his mouth in the packet pickup tent at a race. In each case I removed myself from the vicinity as soon as I could and it wasn’t good enough. I don’t have servants, it’s not possible for me to avoid all other people, so when a substantial number of them are determined to spread illness, I get sick.
If this epidemic has any silver lining, I hope it is that it becomes much less socially acceptable to kill other people with your germs. Because doing this kills people, and not just when covid is around. Fragile elderly and immune compromised people exist at all times, and your fever and lingering cough may be someone else’s death sentence.9 -
baconslave wrote: »ChrissyChickie wrote: »baconslave wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »My granddaughter graduated high school this year. No graduation. Once in a lifetime. She’s ok. No senior prom. Once in a lifetime. She’s ok. No state softball tournament. It’s hard, but she’ll be ok. No all state softball tournament. Once in a lifetime for her. She’s heartbroken.
I had a senior as well. She has missed so much: volunteering, an internship experience, a free summer to hang with friends, a summer job. She's really losing patience with people who won't take the precautions needed to get the virus down. She's bracing herself for the possible further disappointment of ending up with all her Freshman classes in college online-only. I was talking to her a min ago, and she had the crazy eyes. I wouldn't cross her today...
My senior was bummed about the sports aspects also. Fortunately for her, she is going to a college that is actually having classes in-person. The school is starting early so when kids go home for Thanksgiving break they don't return a couple days later with possibly having covid and getting others ill. So, we dropped her off at her university on Monday Aug 3rd. The first semester will then end right before Thanksgiving.
My daughter's school isn't starting until the 24th. She lost another in-person class yesterday. I told her due to the spread here in TN, and how many people refuse to follow mitigation methods here, that she should expect them all to move online. But so far she still has 3 classes in-person. They are going, no breaks for any holiday, until the week of Thanksgiving, at which time they will have Fall Break the whole week, after that students will not return to campus but finish the rest of the courses online.
I think your daughter's school was wiser. But I guess things are so "on fire" here it didn't matter when they start, but as the month goes on, it does get worse. We have already passed Virginia in total known infections, and they have a larger pop. than us by almost 2 million. We are chasing NC now who has 3.7ish million more folks than us.
People keep posting on the local news comments on FB, "well we have this mandate and cases going up so it ain't working is it? Masks don't work." Well we have a toothless mandate, not enforced, not even by some businesses who said they would but stopped pressing it in fear that people will assault their employees, and we have people still having parties and not masking up and not being careful all over the region. And they think disproves masks working how? Minimum 90% compliance is required over a month or more for this to do anything to the numbers. But no one with authority is saying this. The governor only does briefings on FB Live. They are saying it then. Many who see it aren't listening, but people who don't catch the briefing within an hour aren't getting the info at all as they take it down soon after. The Gov said they were going to do a media campaign. I have seen 2 signs in the next town over. Nothing else. And then there are those who hear it but don't care or don't believe it is necessary.
Hubby keeps telling me to not read the comments. And while there are influencers there rabble-rousing without a doubt (and if you think that's bunk, you should check out an article on the recent report on Russia and social media from the State Dept that no one is talking about right now), there are people that do indeed believe these conspiracies being spread, and it's stupid to act like these people don't exist and not know what is going on in the head and actions of so many in my community.
Re: troll farms and disinformation. My father-in-law sent me a long post the other day which centered around a photo I could easily prove was taken at an unrelated event (can’t discuss details without getting into politics.) I explained the origin of the photo and showed him proof that the letter was about a situation that never happened.
The thing is, it didn’t really change his opinion, knowing that he was all upset about something that wasn’t real.
Have you ever had a dream where your spouse was being a jerk, and woken up, and felt like punching your spouse all morning even though you knew, intellectually, it was just a dream and never happened? Emotions aren’t easy to get rid of. I think these fake news articles work in the same way. Even when the factual basis for the article has been corrected, the person who was duped by the article still has lingering feelings based on the wrong information. “Yes, okay, I acknowledge that this particular instance of my friend getting a false positive result never happened, but I still feel like it’s the sort of thing that happens all the time.”
It’s bad, and I don’t know a way to fight back against vague feelings with no factual basis.13 -
rheddmobile wrote: »baconslave wrote: »ChrissyChickie wrote: »baconslave wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »My granddaughter graduated high school this year. No graduation. Once in a lifetime. She’s ok. No senior prom. Once in a lifetime. She’s ok. No state softball tournament. It’s hard, but she’ll be ok. No all state softball tournament. Once in a lifetime for her. She’s heartbroken.
I had a senior as well. She has missed so much: volunteering, an internship experience, a free summer to hang with friends, a summer job. She's really losing patience with people who won't take the precautions needed to get the virus down. She's bracing herself for the possible further disappointment of ending up with all her Freshman classes in college online-only. I was talking to her a min ago, and she had the crazy eyes. I wouldn't cross her today...
My senior was bummed about the sports aspects also. Fortunately for her, she is going to a college that is actually having classes in-person. The school is starting early so when kids go home for Thanksgiving break they don't return a couple days later with possibly having covid and getting others ill. So, we dropped her off at her university on Monday Aug 3rd. The first semester will then end right before Thanksgiving.
My daughter's school isn't starting until the 24th. She lost another in-person class yesterday. I told her due to the spread here in TN, and how many people refuse to follow mitigation methods here, that she should expect them all to move online. But so far she still has 3 classes in-person. They are going, no breaks for any holiday, until the week of Thanksgiving, at which time they will have Fall Break the whole week, after that students will not return to campus but finish the rest of the courses online.
I think your daughter's school was wiser. But I guess things are so "on fire" here it didn't matter when they start, but as the month goes on, it does get worse. We have already passed Virginia in total known infections, and they have a larger pop. than us by almost 2 million. We are chasing NC now who has 3.7ish million more folks than us.
People keep posting on the local news comments on FB, "well we have this mandate and cases going up so it ain't working is it? Masks don't work." Well we have a toothless mandate, not enforced, not even by some businesses who said they would but stopped pressing it in fear that people will assault their employees, and we have people still having parties and not masking up and not being careful all over the region. And they think disproves masks working how? Minimum 90% compliance is required over a month or more for this to do anything to the numbers. But no one with authority is saying this. The governor only does briefings on FB Live. They are saying it then. Many who see it aren't listening, but people who don't catch the briefing within an hour aren't getting the info at all as they take it down soon after. The Gov said they were going to do a media campaign. I have seen 2 signs in the next town over. Nothing else. And then there are those who hear it but don't care or don't believe it is necessary.
Hubby keeps telling me to not read the comments. And while there are influencers there rabble-rousing without a doubt (and if you think that's bunk, you should check out an article on the recent report on Russia and social media from the State Dept that no one is talking about right now), there are people that do indeed believe these conspiracies being spread, and it's stupid to act like these people don't exist and not know what is going on in the head and actions of so many in my community.
Re: troll farms and disinformation. My father-in-law sent me a long post the other day which centered around a photo I could easily prove was taken at an unrelated event (can’t discuss details without getting into politics.) I explained the origin of the photo and showed him proof that the letter was about a situation that never happened.
The thing is, it didn’t really change his opinion, knowing that he was all upset about something that wasn’t real.
Have you ever had a dream where your spouse was being a jerk, and woken up, and felt like punching your spouse all morning even though you knew, intellectually, it was just a dream and never happened? Emotions aren’t easy to get rid of. I think these fake news articles work in the same way. Even when the factual basis for the article has been corrected, the person who was duped by the article still has lingering feelings based on the wrong information. “Yes, okay, I acknowledge that this particular instance of my friend getting a false positive result never happened, but I still feel like it’s the sort of thing that happens all the time.”
It’s bad, and I don’t know a way to fight back against vague feelings with no factual basis.
I see this often. Proven false, but they don't care.5 -
I haven't seen this posted...
Short story is that previous Coronavirus exposure, some of which are just cold viruses, may help against this:https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/08/04/science.abd3871?referringSource=articleShare
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rheddmobile wrote: »baconslave wrote: »ChrissyChickie wrote: »baconslave wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »My granddaughter graduated high school this year. No graduation. Once in a lifetime. She’s ok. No senior prom. Once in a lifetime. She’s ok. No state softball tournament. It’s hard, but she’ll be ok. No all state softball tournament. Once in a lifetime for her. She’s heartbroken.
I had a senior as well. She has missed so much: volunteering, an internship experience, a free summer to hang with friends, a summer job. She's really losing patience with people who won't take the precautions needed to get the virus down. She's bracing herself for the possible further disappointment of ending up with all her Freshman classes in college online-only. I was talking to her a min ago, and she had the crazy eyes. I wouldn't cross her today...
My senior was bummed about the sports aspects also. Fortunately for her, she is going to a college that is actually having classes in-person. The school is starting early so when kids go home for Thanksgiving break they don't return a couple days later with possibly having covid and getting others ill. So, we dropped her off at her university on Monday Aug 3rd. The first semester will then end right before Thanksgiving.
My daughter's school isn't starting until the 24th. She lost another in-person class yesterday. I told her due to the spread here in TN, and how many people refuse to follow mitigation methods here, that she should expect them all to move online. But so far she still has 3 classes in-person. They are going, no breaks for any holiday, until the week of Thanksgiving, at which time they will have Fall Break the whole week, after that students will not return to campus but finish the rest of the courses online.
I think your daughter's school was wiser. But I guess things are so "on fire" here it didn't matter when they start, but as the month goes on, it does get worse. We have already passed Virginia in total known infections, and they have a larger pop. than us by almost 2 million. We are chasing NC now who has 3.7ish million more folks than us.
People keep posting on the local news comments on FB, "well we have this mandate and cases going up so it ain't working is it? Masks don't work." Well we have a toothless mandate, not enforced, not even by some businesses who said they would but stopped pressing it in fear that people will assault their employees, and we have people still having parties and not masking up and not being careful all over the region. And they think disproves masks working how? Minimum 90% compliance is required over a month or more for this to do anything to the numbers. But no one with authority is saying this. The governor only does briefings on FB Live. They are saying it then. Many who see it aren't listening, but people who don't catch the briefing within an hour aren't getting the info at all as they take it down soon after. The Gov said they were going to do a media campaign. I have seen 2 signs in the next town over. Nothing else. And then there are those who hear it but don't care or don't believe it is necessary.
Hubby keeps telling me to not read the comments. And while there are influencers there rabble-rousing without a doubt (and if you think that's bunk, you should check out an article on the recent report on Russia and social media from the State Dept that no one is talking about right now), there are people that do indeed believe these conspiracies being spread, and it's stupid to act like these people don't exist and not know what is going on in the head and actions of so many in my community.
Re: troll farms and disinformation. My father-in-law sent me a long post the other day which centered around a photo I could easily prove was taken at an unrelated event (can’t discuss details without getting into politics.) I explained the origin of the photo and showed him proof that the letter was about a situation that never happened.
The thing is, it didn’t really change his opinion, knowing that he was all upset about something that wasn’t real.
Have you ever had a dream where your spouse was being a jerk, and woken up, and felt like punching your spouse all morning even though you knew, intellectually, it was just a dream and never happened? Emotions aren’t easy to get rid of. I think these fake news articles work in the same way. Even when the factual basis for the article has been corrected, the person who was duped by the article still has lingering feelings based on the wrong information. “Yes, okay, I acknowledge that this particular instance of my friend getting a false positive result never happened, but I still feel like it’s the sort of thing that happens all the time.”
It’s bad, and I don’t know a way to fight back against vague feelings with no factual basis.
This is my exact experience with my in-laws and friends. I've tried countering nonsense with facts and logic. If I don't know something, I whip out my dusty librarian skills and find a reputable source. And I share these things with them. They used to listen. I mean, I achieved Technical Writing certification in college, but I never ended up formally using it as we decided to have kids (and guess who ended up staying home and homeschooling.) I kind of have used it in a way with homeschooling and my in-laws. I am really good at taking complicated subjects from a variety of disciplines and synthesizing it into something more manageable to lay people. I've always done very well in science, and slightly subpar math skills were the only thing that kept me from studying chemistry in college. Not even my simplified, interpreted versions of facts budges them anymore. It's like Johnson's "willing suspension of disbelief" on mega-steroids! This is not a harmless fairy-tale or a TV show. This stuff is serious and life threatening.
But they will not be dissuaded by facts or logic. They have been indoctrinated into an "us vs. them" mentality and "us" is always right. I never lock myself into that mentality. I know how much I don't know. I'm perfectly happy to be proven wrong if my theory is wrong. I fix my knowledge gap. I can't understand. It's like their skepticism radar has gone nuclear but is completely blind in the area that matters most. Hey, I love skepticism; like sarcasm, it's like oxygen. But when feelings trump facts, and their cognitive dissonance is SO overactive they can't hear truth under any circumstances, what can you do? And it would be a small thing if we were talking about one person, but thousands and thousands like this, perhaps millions and millions? It really does sound like people are regressing and getting arrested in an earlier maturity level.
I listened to this yesterday while hoofing it in the yard for my cardio. It explains emerging understanding of the virus regarding masks and why science seems contradictory. Which I thought was particularly appropriate considering a major criticism is that the "experts" keep changing their minds. Of course they are, this is new territory. Science is evidence-based and that requires experimentation. Our knowledge of viruses is based upon evidence garnered over decades, now with a novel virus, we are experience the process of scientific discovery in fast-motion, where the back-and-forth is in the spotlight.
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/04/898915882/wearing-a-mask-could-be-even-more-important-than-we-thought
Not that I could ever get the outlaw inlaws to ever listen to anything on NPR...but we can dream.
Shortwave is a good science podcast. Helps me keep an amateur hand in with limited time. It keeps the nerd-senses tingling anyway.
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rheddmobile wrote: »
Goodness, I don’t envy you having to enforce those rules, but good on you for trying.Theoldguy1 wrote: »
Which practices? The ones that many parents taught their children while growing up? Wash your hands before eating. Cover your nose when you sneeze. Wash your hands after using the toilet. Cover your mouth when you cough. Wash your hands after touching money. Don't lie in bed with clothes you wore outdoors. By the way, did I mention wash your hands?
Why are normal civilized people no longer doing these things??
After returning to the office for 4 days this week, I’m pretty confident half my coworkers have spent their summer doing drugs or something else to wipe off all brain cells that carry learned human decency and guidelines. It has consistently always been the rule, first as general human decency and then as official HR policy, that you wash your hands with water and soap when you come in to any space from outdoors. We have hand sanitizer bottles all around the office, but at this point everyone should know water and soap are better and hand sanitizer should be used as complementary add-in or when proper hand-washing isn’t available. Some of the discussions I’ve had this week include:
”Please wash your hands first, you just came in from outside”
”But I only touched a few doorknobs”
”Still.” (Me in my head: yeah, you went outside, probably touched your face while smoking, and then used the doors and elevators in this 11-floor office building that has quite a lot of people)
”Please wash your hands with water and soap”
”But I’m using hand sanitizer”
”That’s great as an addition, but doesn’t replace soap”
”Huh, since when?”
”It never has...”
After referencing these discussions the CEO gave me permission to start giving personal office bans at my discretion for those who can’t or won’t follow the hygiene rules. At this point being allowed to leave home and come to work at the office is a privilege and those who don’t follow the rules to make it safe for others won’t be allowed to use it. If people want to ignore hygiene and safety rules, they can do it in the privacy of their own home where they won’t risk their colleagues. They just have to deal with focusing on work with their kids jumping around etc., but life is full of choices and everyone is welcome to continue working from home if hand-washing at the office is too much trouble.
Wow!! I wouldn't want to be the one sending workers back home, but I guess you need to take action if people are so dumb.
In our workplace there are handwashing signs everywhere, and extra taps and sinks have been installed. It is also mentioned at every huddle or staff meeting. It just simply is the new normal.
Masks, distancing, and temperature checks are also part of the daily routine. Everything is being done to protect everyone else and keep the workplace safe.
IMO, to be honest, if grown *kitten* adults need to be told to wash their hands the train has already left the station and no amount of HR signs and announcements will do any good.
Yep. The thing that bothers me most about those discussions is that the reaction isn’t ”oh crap I spaced out, will wash immediately” but instead some sort of complaining about not wanting to do it for reason X.
The rules are in place for a reason, and as head of HR I will be enforcing them. It’s not fair to let the few idiots run wild at the office and risk those who want to come in, focus on their work without at-home distractions, and follow the rules to keep themselves and everyone around the as safe as possible. The office is not a playground for misbehaving children, it’s a workplace where people should be able to be safe and focus on their work like adults.
From HR viewpoint, people get used to signs so fast they are only useful for a day or two, after that they’re really just virtue signaling that we care and have plans in place, and they show the right message for the few guests that do come in. I’m hoping I don’t have to start actually banning people, hopefully having 1-on-1 discussions about rules being enforced and bans being issued for further non-compliance is enough of a threat.
(Yeah, I probably shouldn’t call my colleagues idiots or misbehaving children, but I’m human and they’re risking my health too.)
As I’ve mentioned before, I have been aware of other people’s germ-spreading behaviors for a while now, due to periodically being on immune-suppressing medication. It’s not a surprise to me that most adults don’t wash their hands, won’t cover their mouths during a cough or sneeze, and are downright hostile if someone suggests that they should avoid others while symptomatic. I work from home and don’t go out much, and caught four separate colds last winter due to others. I can probably pinpoint the exact person who gave me each illness, since they typically came on two to four days after being near the child with fever and a cough lying down on a restaurant booth during an adult drinking party because “I couldn’t leave him with a sitter when he’s sick,” or the lady with a rattling chest cough not covering her mouth and bumping me from behind in line at the grocery. Or the young fireman staring vacantly into space coughing constantly not covering his mouth in the packet pickup tent at a race. In each case I removed myself from the vicinity as soon as I could and it wasn’t good enough. I don’t have servants, it’s not possible for me to avoid all other people, so when a substantial number of them are determined to spread illness, I get sick.
If this epidemic has any silver lining, I hope it is that it becomes much less socially acceptable to kill other people with your germs. Because doing this kills people, and not just when covid is around. Fragile elderly and immune compromised people exist at all times, and your fever and lingering cough may be someone else’s death sentence.
One of my kids was sick recently and a doctor had to get involved. We had a conversation and I told her, that even though I am a very conscientious person, I really used to feel that getting sick was inevitable with my little germ-nuggets. And that I didn't think twice on going around when I had sick kids at home. Complete thoughtlessness!
But COVID has brought home that though I'm not currently sick, I could be a carrier and spread it to others outside the family. So I will definitely be more careful in the future when illness is in my family to not be a jerkface carelessly spreading it everywhere. 12 -
baconslave wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »
Goodness, I don’t envy you having to enforce those rules, but good on you for trying.Theoldguy1 wrote: »
Which practices? The ones that many parents taught their children while growing up? Wash your hands before eating. Cover your nose when you sneeze. Wash your hands after using the toilet. Cover your mouth when you cough. Wash your hands after touching money. Don't lie in bed with clothes you wore outdoors. By the way, did I mention wash your hands?
Why are normal civilized people no longer doing these things??
After returning to the office for 4 days this week, I’m pretty confident half my coworkers have spent their summer doing drugs or something else to wipe off all brain cells that carry learned human decency and guidelines. It has consistently always been the rule, first as general human decency and then as official HR policy, that you wash your hands with water and soap when you come in to any space from outdoors. We have hand sanitizer bottles all around the office, but at this point everyone should know water and soap are better and hand sanitizer should be used as complementary add-in or when proper hand-washing isn’t available. Some of the discussions I’ve had this week include:
”Please wash your hands first, you just came in from outside”
”But I only touched a few doorknobs”
”Still.” (Me in my head: yeah, you went outside, probably touched your face while smoking, and then used the doors and elevators in this 11-floor office building that has quite a lot of people)
”Please wash your hands with water and soap”
”But I’m using hand sanitizer”
”That’s great as an addition, but doesn’t replace soap”
”Huh, since when?”
”It never has...”
After referencing these discussions the CEO gave me permission to start giving personal office bans at my discretion for those who can’t or won’t follow the hygiene rules. At this point being allowed to leave home and come to work at the office is a privilege and those who don’t follow the rules to make it safe for others won’t be allowed to use it. If people want to ignore hygiene and safety rules, they can do it in the privacy of their own home where they won’t risk their colleagues. They just have to deal with focusing on work with their kids jumping around etc., but life is full of choices and everyone is welcome to continue working from home if hand-washing at the office is too much trouble.
Wow!! I wouldn't want to be the one sending workers back home, but I guess you need to take action if people are so dumb.
In our workplace there are handwashing signs everywhere, and extra taps and sinks have been installed. It is also mentioned at every huddle or staff meeting. It just simply is the new normal.
Masks, distancing, and temperature checks are also part of the daily routine. Everything is being done to protect everyone else and keep the workplace safe.
IMO, to be honest, if grown *kitten* adults need to be told to wash their hands the train has already left the station and no amount of HR signs and announcements will do any good.
Yep. The thing that bothers me most about those discussions is that the reaction isn’t ”oh crap I spaced out, will wash immediately” but instead some sort of complaining about not wanting to do it for reason X.
The rules are in place for a reason, and as head of HR I will be enforcing them. It’s not fair to let the few idiots run wild at the office and risk those who want to come in, focus on their work without at-home distractions, and follow the rules to keep themselves and everyone around the as safe as possible. The office is not a playground for misbehaving children, it’s a workplace where people should be able to be safe and focus on their work like adults.
From HR viewpoint, people get used to signs so fast they are only useful for a day or two, after that they’re really just virtue signaling that we care and have plans in place, and they show the right message for the few guests that do come in. I’m hoping I don’t have to start actually banning people, hopefully having 1-on-1 discussions about rules being enforced and bans being issued for further non-compliance is enough of a threat.
(Yeah, I probably shouldn’t call my colleagues idiots or misbehaving children, but I’m human and they’re risking my health too.)
As I’ve mentioned before, I have been aware of other people’s germ-spreading behaviors for a while now, due to periodically being on immune-suppressing medication. It’s not a surprise to me that most adults don’t wash their hands, won’t cover their mouths during a cough or sneeze, and are downright hostile if someone suggests that they should avoid others while symptomatic. I work from home and don’t go out much, and caught four separate colds last winter due to others. I can probably pinpoint the exact person who gave me each illness, since they typically came on two to four days after being near the child with fever and a cough lying down on a restaurant booth during an adult drinking party because “I couldn’t leave him with a sitter when he’s sick,” or the lady with a rattling chest cough not covering her mouth and bumping me from behind in line at the grocery. Or the young fireman staring vacantly into space coughing constantly not covering his mouth in the packet pickup tent at a race. In each case I removed myself from the vicinity as soon as I could and it wasn’t good enough. I don’t have servants, it’s not possible for me to avoid all other people, so when a substantial number of them are determined to spread illness, I get sick.
If this epidemic has any silver lining, I hope it is that it becomes much less socially acceptable to kill other people with your germs. Because doing this kills people, and not just when covid is around. Fragile elderly and immune compromised people exist at all times, and your fever and lingering cough may be someone else’s death sentence.
One of my kids was sick recently and a doctor had to get involved. We had a conversation and I told her, that even though I am a very conscientious person, I really used to feel that getting sick was inevitable with my little germ-nuggets. And that I didn't think twice on going around when I had sick kids at home. Complete thoughtlessness! But COVID has brought home that though I'm not currently sick, I could be a carrier and spread it to others outside the family. So I will definitely be more careful in the future when illness is in my family to not be a jerkface carelessly spreading it everywhere.
One of my friends has a prematurely born daughter with lugn issues so regular flus were extremely dangerous to her as a baby. They couldn’t take her anywhere with public transportation because of the infection risk and every invitation to their home included a ”stay the *kitten* away if you have any symptoms whatsoever” reminder. I admit that pre-covid I thought smaller symptoms like a runny nose or a little cough weren’t a reason to stay home and isolate if I felt otherwise fine and was able to go on about my regular day, and things like her case were the exception. In the future I will definitely stay home with smaller symptoms, and I hope this pandemic permanently changes the current (pre-covid) culture where showing up was more important than knowing when to not show up.
Now that many workplaces have tried working from home and seen it can be done, I hope in the future ”I feel like I might be getting sick” is a good enough reason to stay home and work from there without employers questioning it. Unrelated, I also hope handshaking will become a thing of the past.11 -
baconslave wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »
Goodness, I don’t envy you having to enforce those rules, but good on you for trying.Theoldguy1 wrote: »
Which practices? The ones that many parents taught their children while growing up? Wash your hands before eating. Cover your nose when you sneeze. Wash your hands after using the toilet. Cover your mouth when you cough. Wash your hands after touching money. Don't lie in bed with clothes you wore outdoors. By the way, did I mention wash your hands?
Why are normal civilized people no longer doing these things??
After returning to the office for 4 days this week, I’m pretty confident half my coworkers have spent their summer doing drugs or something else to wipe off all brain cells that carry learned human decency and guidelines. It has consistently always been the rule, first as general human decency and then as official HR policy, that you wash your hands with water and soap when you come in to any space from outdoors. We have hand sanitizer bottles all around the office, but at this point everyone should know water and soap are better and hand sanitizer should be used as complementary add-in or when proper hand-washing isn’t available. Some of the discussions I’ve had this week include:
”Please wash your hands first, you just came in from outside”
”But I only touched a few doorknobs”
”Still.” (Me in my head: yeah, you went outside, probably touched your face while smoking, and then used the doors and elevators in this 11-floor office building that has quite a lot of people)
”Please wash your hands with water and soap”
”But I’m using hand sanitizer”
”That’s great as an addition, but doesn’t replace soap”
”Huh, since when?”
”It never has...”
After referencing these discussions the CEO gave me permission to start giving personal office bans at my discretion for those who can’t or won’t follow the hygiene rules. At this point being allowed to leave home and come to work at the office is a privilege and those who don’t follow the rules to make it safe for others won’t be allowed to use it. If people want to ignore hygiene and safety rules, they can do it in the privacy of their own home where they won’t risk their colleagues. They just have to deal with focusing on work with their kids jumping around etc., but life is full of choices and everyone is welcome to continue working from home if hand-washing at the office is too much trouble.
Wow!! I wouldn't want to be the one sending workers back home, but I guess you need to take action if people are so dumb.
In our workplace there are handwashing signs everywhere, and extra taps and sinks have been installed. It is also mentioned at every huddle or staff meeting. It just simply is the new normal.
Masks, distancing, and temperature checks are also part of the daily routine. Everything is being done to protect everyone else and keep the workplace safe.
IMO, to be honest, if grown *kitten* adults need to be told to wash their hands the train has already left the station and no amount of HR signs and announcements will do any good.
Yep. The thing that bothers me most about those discussions is that the reaction isn’t ”oh crap I spaced out, will wash immediately” but instead some sort of complaining about not wanting to do it for reason X.
The rules are in place for a reason, and as head of HR I will be enforcing them. It’s not fair to let the few idiots run wild at the office and risk those who want to come in, focus on their work without at-home distractions, and follow the rules to keep themselves and everyone around the as safe as possible. The office is not a playground for misbehaving children, it’s a workplace where people should be able to be safe and focus on their work like adults.
From HR viewpoint, people get used to signs so fast they are only useful for a day or two, after that they’re really just virtue signaling that we care and have plans in place, and they show the right message for the few guests that do come in. I’m hoping I don’t have to start actually banning people, hopefully having 1-on-1 discussions about rules being enforced and bans being issued for further non-compliance is enough of a threat.
(Yeah, I probably shouldn’t call my colleagues idiots or misbehaving children, but I’m human and they’re risking my health too.)
As I’ve mentioned before, I have been aware of other people’s germ-spreading behaviors for a while now, due to periodically being on immune-suppressing medication. It’s not a surprise to me that most adults don’t wash their hands, won’t cover their mouths during a cough or sneeze, and are downright hostile if someone suggests that they should avoid others while symptomatic. I work from home and don’t go out much, and caught four separate colds last winter due to others. I can probably pinpoint the exact person who gave me each illness, since they typically came on two to four days after being near the child with fever and a cough lying down on a restaurant booth during an adult drinking party because “I couldn’t leave him with a sitter when he’s sick,” or the lady with a rattling chest cough not covering her mouth and bumping me from behind in line at the grocery. Or the young fireman staring vacantly into space coughing constantly not covering his mouth in the packet pickup tent at a race. In each case I removed myself from the vicinity as soon as I could and it wasn’t good enough. I don’t have servants, it’s not possible for me to avoid all other people, so when a substantial number of them are determined to spread illness, I get sick.
If this epidemic has any silver lining, I hope it is that it becomes much less socially acceptable to kill other people with your germs. Because doing this kills people, and not just when covid is around. Fragile elderly and immune compromised people exist at all times, and your fever and lingering cough may be someone else’s death sentence.
One of my kids was sick recently and a doctor had to get involved. We had a conversation and I told her, that even though I am a very conscientious person, I really used to feel that getting sick was inevitable with my little germ-nuggets. And that I didn't think twice on going around when I had sick kids at home. Complete thoughtlessness! But COVID has brought home that though I'm not currently sick, I could be a carrier and spread it to others outside the family. So I will definitely be more careful in the future when illness is in my family to not be a jerkface carelessly spreading it everywhere.
One of my friends has a prematurely born daughter with lugn issues so regular flus were extremely dangerous to her as a baby. They couldn’t take her anywhere with public transportation because of the infection risk and every invitation to their home included a ”stay the *kitten* away if you have any symptoms whatsoever” reminder. I admit that pre-covid I thought smaller symptoms like a runny nose or a little cough weren’t a reason to stay home and isolate if I felt otherwise fine and was able to go on about my regular day, and things like her case were the exception. In the future I will definitely stay home with smaller symptoms, and I hope this pandemic permanently changes the current (pre-covid) culture where showing up was more important than knowing when to not show up.
Now that many workplaces have tried working from home and seen it can be done, I hope in the future ”I feel like I might be getting sick” is a good enough reason to stay home and work from there without employers questioning it. Unrelated, I also hope handshaking will become a thing of the past.
Saw something recently in the Wall Street Journal that WFH isn't as good as advertised.
Also, i disagree and hope handshakes, fists bumps etc come back when this is behind us. People are social animals and an appropriate touch is part of that socialization.2
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