Coronavirus prep
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »I went to the Salvation Army this a.m. and good change from last time is everyone is wearing masks now, Thank You Gov. Scott!! I load up my arms with books and puzzles, get to the counter, set them down, and the clerk starts coughing, hacking and sneezing. Oy
I told her to keep the change, hoping to keep contact to a minimum but she said she was required to give me the receipt. 
I'm sure it was just a cold.
I hope.
Here it’s also mandatory to give the receipt. Most stores I’ve been to have reorganized the tills and turned the receipt printer towards the customer so they can just say ”your receipt is there” and customers can easily grab it if they want it. I really hope it stays this way even post-pandemic, so there’s no need for that awkward social interaction and less germ exchange for the clerk.
What's odd about someone handing another person a piece of paper (absent germ considerations)?I went to the Salvation Army this a.m. and good change from last time is everyone is wearing masks now, Thank You Gov. Scott!! I load up my arms with books and puzzles, get to the counter, set them down, and the clerk starts coughing, hacking and sneezing. Oy I told her to keep the change, hoping to keep contact to a minimum but she said she was required to give me the receipt. I'm sure it was just a cold.
I hope.
Here it’s also mandatory to give the receipt. Most stores I’ve been to have reorganized the tills and turned the receipt printer towards the customer so they can just say ”your receipt is there” and customers can easily grab it if they want it. I really hope it stays this way even post-pandemic, so there’s no need for that awkward social interaction and less germ exchange for the clerk.
Funny thing!! I was sitting in the restaurant drive through line while reading this. So I reach the pay window and the cashier no longer touches the card if we have Chip & Pin. She hands me the same credit card machine everyone else touched, I put my card in and touch the same pin pad everyone else used, and remove my card. She tears off the credit card slip and enters the Authorization number into her transaction on the cash register. Then she hands me the slip. I go to the pickup window, they hand me the food, and with the till receipt in hand she asks me if I want it or not. Guess I'd touched everything else already so that was just one more thing.
OK, this might need an explanation. I live in Finland and we’re famously and stereotypically awkward and antisocial. Also, everyone here knows that probably 90% of shoppers do NOT want the receipt, so the people who already don’t want to have extra social interaction are forced to have the discussion of ”here’s your receipt” ”no receipt, thanks” when both parties likely already know the anwer. With the new system where the printer is on the edge of the till and facing customers, those who want it for some reason can grab it themselves. Speaking from cashier experience (did it for 2 years), I see two other major upsides as well: I would have been faster if I didn’t have to physically reach to give the receipt (company policy), since I could just start beeping the next customer’s stuff immediately. I also got serious back problems from all the twisting and reaching in the job, and skipping that whole sideways reach that happened with almost every customer would likely decrease the amount of back problems amongst cashiers by a fairly substantial amount.
We’re also comparatively high tech, I guess. Chip&pin for smaller payments is kinda last season (and swiping is ancient, and we’ve never really written checks), we’ve moved on to contactless payments a couple of years ago. So, the cashier/server sends the sum from the till/cashier machine to the card reader, and you bring your card to the contactless card reading area of the reader. Neither of you need to touch the card reader. Even if your purchase is over the contactless payment max (I think 50€), you do chip&pin on the reader the cashier doesn’t need to touch. I’ve been to restaurants recently where the servers have the portable card reader where they enter the sum, but even then if your total is less than the payment max they just hold the reader near you so you can use contactless, no touch required on customer’s part.9 -
Complete shift of gears, here: On errands this afternoon, I found the Very Most Polite And Mask/Distancing Compliant place I've been at, since this whole thing started.
It was a big but very busy (multi-material) public recycling drop-off site run by the local university, near my home. They closed briefly, but are now open 9AM-3PM, M-F (used to be 24x7 pre-pandemic).
Even though it's outdoors, masks are required (presumably because people may get close to each other, possibly coming out of a blind corner). Every other angle-parking spot was blocked with a traffic cone. There was an attendant (never had one pre-pandemic) under a portable canopy. Every single patron I saw was properly masked. People were bustling back and forth, and you'd see people walk between the big receptacles or out toward the cars to maintain distance from others when meeting/passing, despite the masks. The receptacles are giant truck-sized bins with multiple doors to throw recyclables through, and folks were spacing themselves out at different doors, or waiting briefly for a clear spot.
I'm going to double down in my speculation - can't recall if in this or another corona thread here - that different businesses/facilities tend to attract different subgroups as patrons, who have different attitudes toward what's appropriate behavior during this mess.15 -
Victoria and NSW doing it tougher but the rest of Australia I think is doing ok.
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I went to the Salvation Army this a.m. and good change from last time is everyone is wearing masks now, Thank You Gov. Scott!! I load up my arms with books and puzzles, get to the counter, set them down, and the clerk starts coughing, hacking and sneezing. Oy I told her to keep the change, hoping to keep contact to a minimum but she said she was required to give me the receipt. I'm sure it was just a cold.
I hope.
Here it’s also mandatory to give the receipt. Most stores I’ve been to have reorganized the tills and turned the receipt printer towards the customer so they can just say ”your receipt is there” and customers can easily grab it if they want it. I really hope it stays this way even post-pandemic, so there’s no need for that awkward social interaction and less germ exchange for the clerk.
Funny thing!! I was sitting in the restaurant drive through line while reading this. So I reach the pay window and the cashier no longer touches the card if we have Chip & Pin. She hands me the same credit card machine everyone else touched, I put my card in and touch the same pin pad everyone else used, and remove my card. She tears off the credit card slip and enters the Authorization number into her transaction on the cash register. Then she hands me the slip. I go to the pickup window, they hand me the food, and with the till receipt in hand she asks me if I want it or not. Guess I'd touched everything else already so that was just one more thing.
Our debit cards have had tap for a few years now. I think my per-transaction tap limit is $100 but I could probably get that increased if I wanted. Contactless. In theory it's called tap, but the card doesn't actually have to touch the machine, just close enough to be read.
I've seen a couple of places that don't have tap enabled machines wrap their card machine in plastic (like Saran Wrap) so it can be wiped down after every customer.2 -
Complete shift of gears, here: On errands this afternoon, I found the Very Most Polite And Mask/Distancing Compliant place I've been at, since this whole thing started.
It was a big but very busy (multi-material) public recycling drop-off site run by the local university, near my home. They closed briefly, but are now open 9AM-3PM, M-F (used to be 24x7 pre-pandemic).
Even though it's outdoors, masks are required (presumably because people may get close to each other, possibly coming out of a blind corner). Every other angle-parking spot was blocked with a traffic cone. There was an attendant (never had one pre-pandemic) under a portable canopy. Every single patron I saw was properly masked. People were bustling back and forth, and you'd see people walk between the big receptacles or out toward the cars to maintain distance from others when meeting/passing, despite the masks. The receptacles are giant truck-sized bins with multiple doors to throw recyclables through, and folks were spacing themselves out at different doors, or waiting briefly for a clear spot.
I'm going to double down in my speculation - can't recall if in this or another corona thread here - that different businesses/facilities tend to attract different subgroups as patrons, who have different attitudes toward what's appropriate behavior during this mess.
I think I have observed this, too. Although two nurseries (same type of business) had patrons with noticeably different sensibilities. A N=2 experiment is admittedly nothing more than 2 data points. I’m willing to believe recyclers are a conscientious group in the main.2 -
Victoria and NSW doing it tougher but the rest of Australia I think is doing ok.
Victoria is doing by far the worst of all states.
I dont think NSW numbers are as bad as they look - most of them are historical.
I think their current numbers are quite low - not as low as other states outside Vic, but lower than the total on that graph would imply.
I cant remember where you live slimjo - I know it is in Australia like me (in SA) but not which state?
How are you faring?1 -
paperpudding wrote: »Victoria and NSW doing it tougher but the rest of Australia I think is doing ok.
Victoria is doing by far the worst of all states.
I dont think NSW numbers are as bad as they look - most of them are historical.
I think their current numbers are quite low - not as low as other states outside Vic, but lower than the total on that graph would imply.
I cant remember where you live slimjo - I know it is in Australia like me (in SA) but not which state?
How are you faring?
I'm in NSW, Hunter Valley Region atm. Doing ok, no cases in my local area for months, we did have 2 about 3 months ago.
You are correct about NSW and I think only one or two deaths since May.
Yeah, Victoria is having a shocker. Compared to many places I thought the other states are doing quite well. Some have had 0 new cases for a long while.
SA looks to be doing pretty good. What's it like in your local area.?2 -
Hi!
My local area, regional town in SA, is doing well.
We had 6 cases, all returned overseas travellers who did the right thing and self isolated properly (this was months ago, before supervised hotel quarantine came in) and it went no further.
They are now all fully recovered.
SA is getting a trickle of new cases now - however they seem to all be people returned from o/s or interstate who are in supervised quarantine - so very little risk to outer community.
Life is almost back to normal - restarants/cafes are open (but no buffets or salad bars or mingling at the bar) sports are back on, activities I do like Dog Obedience and Walking Group are back on, nursing home residents can have visitors and go out.
No large mass gatherings and no o/s travel of course.
and hard border against Vic and NSW.
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paperpudding wrote: »Hi!
My local area, regional town in SA, is doing well.
We had 6 cases, all returned overseas travellers who did the right thing and self isolated properly (this was months ago, before supervised hotel quarantine came in) and it went no further.
They are now all fully recovered.
SA is getting a trickle of new cases now - however they seem to all be people returned from o/s or interstate who are in supervised quarantine - so very little risk to outer community.
Life is almost back to normal - restarants/cafes are open (but no buffets or salad bars or mingling at the bar) sports are back on, activities I do like Dog Obedience and Walking Group are back on, nursing home residents can have visitors and go out.
No large mass gatherings and no o/s travel of course.
and hard border against Vic and NSW.
Similar to here.. I don't go out much unless for groceries or a walk out in the paddock. I'm in close contact with my dad most everyday and his health is not great so I'm not risking even the remotest possibility of getting it and passing it on.3 -
I went to the Salvation Army this a.m. and good change from last time is everyone is wearing masks now, Thank You Gov. Scott!! I load up my arms with books and puzzles, get to the counter, set them down, and the clerk starts coughing, hacking and sneezing. Oy I told her to keep the change, hoping to keep contact to a minimum but she said she was required to give me the receipt. I'm sure it was just a cold.
I hope.
Here it’s also mandatory to give the receipt. Most stores I’ve been to have reorganized the tills and turned the receipt printer towards the customer so they can just say ”your receipt is there” and customers can easily grab it if they want it. I really hope it stays this way even post-pandemic, so there’s no need for that awkward social interaction and less germ exchange for the clerk.
Funny thing!! I was sitting in the restaurant drive through line while reading this. So I reach the pay window and the cashier no longer touches the card if we have Chip & Pin. She hands me the same credit card machine everyone else touched, I put my card in and touch the same pin pad everyone else used, and remove my card. She tears off the credit card slip and enters the Authorization number into her transaction on the cash register. Then she hands me the slip. I go to the pickup window, they hand me the food, and with the till receipt in hand she asks me if I want it or not. Guess I'd touched everything else already so that was just one more thing.
Our debit cards have had tap for a few years now. I think my per-transaction tap limit is $100 but I could probably get that increased if I wanted. Contactless. In theory it's called tap, but the card doesn't actually have to touch the machine, just close enough to be read.
I've seen a couple of places that don't have tap enabled machines wrap their card machine in plastic (like Saran Wrap) so it can be wiped down after every customer.
They have the tap feature at pretty much all places I go to. However, most of the key pads are covered with the glad wrap stuff you’re able to reuse. The definitely aren’t cleaning the machine after each use. I see no logical reason to cover the key pad. What is the point? They aren’t cleaning between uses. I keep hand sanitizer in all our vehicles.1 -
Complete shift of gears, here: On errands this afternoon, I found the Very Most Polite And Mask/Distancing Compliant place I've been at, since this whole thing started.
It was a big but very busy (multi-material) public recycling drop-off site run by the local university, near my home. They closed briefly, but are now open 9AM-3PM, M-F (used to be 24x7 pre-pandemic).
Even though it's outdoors, masks are required (presumably because people may get close to each other, possibly coming out of a blind corner). Every other angle-parking spot was blocked with a traffic cone. There was an attendant (never had one pre-pandemic) under a portable canopy. Every single patron I saw was properly masked. People were bustling back and forth, and you'd see people walk between the big receptacles or out toward the cars to maintain distance from others when meeting/passing, despite the masks. The receptacles are giant truck-sized bins with multiple doors to throw recyclables through, and folks were spacing themselves out at different doors, or waiting briefly for a clear spot.
I'm going to double down in my speculation - can't recall if in this or another corona thread here - that different businesses/facilities tend to attract different subgroups as patrons, who have different attitudes toward what's appropriate behavior during this mess.
This is very true. We've recently looked at getting a gun. I'm about as pacifist as you can get and I detest guns, but with everything going on (I've had legit threats against me because I'm outspoken on Facebook against certain lying politicians who shall remain nameless and my business address is online), we've decided to get a couple of handguns and keep them safe. We have no grandkids that visit either, so there's none of that going on here.
We went into one gun shop and no one, not one person, was wearing a mask. Now, keep in mind, a month ago, Arizona was per capita the highest place on the flippin' planet for Coronavirus and the entire county had it as law that they could shut you down for ignoring the statutes. But yet, every single person, including the staff, had no mask on.
Sign of the times. One time I'm not a pacifist -- you threaten my family. Just don't like getting exposed to Covid-19 because the entire gun lobby (at least in AZ) appears to be against masks, which is a shame.
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MikePfirrman wrote: »Complete shift of gears, here: On errands this afternoon, I found the Very Most Polite And Mask/Distancing Compliant place I've been at, since this whole thing started.
It was a big but very busy (multi-material) public recycling drop-off site run by the local university, near my home. They closed briefly, but are now open 9AM-3PM, M-F (used to be 24x7 pre-pandemic).
Even though it's outdoors, masks are required (presumably because people may get close to each other, possibly coming out of a blind corner). Every other angle-parking spot was blocked with a traffic cone. There was an attendant (never had one pre-pandemic) under a portable canopy. Every single patron I saw was properly masked. People were bustling back and forth, and you'd see people walk between the big receptacles or out toward the cars to maintain distance from others when meeting/passing, despite the masks. The receptacles are giant truck-sized bins with multiple doors to throw recyclables through, and folks were spacing themselves out at different doors, or waiting briefly for a clear spot.
I'm going to double down in my speculation - can't recall if in this or another corona thread here - that different businesses/facilities tend to attract different subgroups as patrons, who have different attitudes toward what's appropriate behavior during this mess.
This is very true. We've recently looked at getting a gun. I'm about as pacifist as you can get and I detest guns, but with everything going on (I've had legit threats against me because I'm outspoken on Facebook against certain lying politicians who shall remain nameless and my business address is online), we've decided to get a couple of handguns and keep them safe. We have no grandkids that visit either, so there's none of that going on here.
We went into one gun shop and no one, not one person, was wearing a mask. Now, keep in mind, a month ago, Arizona was per capita the highest place on the flippin' planet for Coronavirus and the entire county had it as law that they could shut you down for ignoring the statutes. But yet, every single person, including the staff, had no mask on.
Sign of the times. One time I'm not a pacifist -- you threaten my family. Just don't like getting exposed to Covid-19 because the entire gun lobby (at least in AZ) appears to be against masks, which is a shame.
I'm feeling you. So sorry you have to deal with all this. Big hugs. I don't know about all that there but not nice to feel unsafe.5 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Complete shift of gears, here: On errands this afternoon, I found the Very Most Polite And Mask/Distancing Compliant place I've been at, since this whole thing started.
It was a big but very busy (multi-material) public recycling drop-off site run by the local university, near my home. They closed briefly, but are now open 9AM-3PM, M-F (used to be 24x7 pre-pandemic).
Even though it's outdoors, masks are required (presumably because people may get close to each other, possibly coming out of a blind corner). Every other angle-parking spot was blocked with a traffic cone. There was an attendant (never had one pre-pandemic) under a portable canopy. Every single patron I saw was properly masked. People were bustling back and forth, and you'd see people walk between the big receptacles or out toward the cars to maintain distance from others when meeting/passing, despite the masks. The receptacles are giant truck-sized bins with multiple doors to throw recyclables through, and folks were spacing themselves out at different doors, or waiting briefly for a clear spot.
I'm going to double down in my speculation - can't recall if in this or another corona thread here - that different businesses/facilities tend to attract different subgroups as patrons, who have different attitudes toward what's appropriate behavior during this mess.
I've had legit threats against me because I'm outspoken on Facebook against certain lying politicians who shall remain nameless and my business address is online
Hindsight always 20/20 and free speech, but this maybe these actions aren't the best idea.
I'm thinking the first "legit threat" I got, I'd back off on the comments.
I have, locally at least. But it's a shame that this country has become that. Conspiracy theorists that believe there are pedophile cannibals, with guns. Because if it weren't for my wife being scared, I wouldn't back off at all.
There has actually never, in our nation's history, been a more important time for people who are sane and believe in science and democracy, to speak up. Shutting the rational people down is what the crazies would like to do. Next thing would be the crazies running the country. I'd rather be dead. When calm people that believe in order and government are silenced, we are an authoritarian regime.
Being threatened online is nothing compared to what others have done to ensure we're all free.26 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »With you 100% on the crazy times. Stay safe out there.
Thanks, I think 95% of us are (relatively) sane, though I have my moments for sure. It's the other 5% I'm starting to worry a lot about, on both extremes.7 -
School district voted last night to officially delay hybrid learning. Lots of people ranting on Facebook today about the governor closing the schools...but she doesn't have unilateral authority to do that and has to be done by the school boards.
I asked quite a few people in the comments if they had reached out to their school boards or bothered to attend the online meeting last night where around 50 parents and teachers spoke, with roughly 90% of them voicing concerns about going back to the classroom right now. None of them did...they don't want to be proactive and actually make there voices heard somewhere where it counts...just rant about the governor on Facebook which does absolutely nothing.
We also had a National Forest Service Campground near Taos close yesterday due to people having large groups and leaving more trash behind than the forest service could manage. Of course, more ranting against the governor...who has absolutely zero jurisdiction over federal lands and a federal campground....but yup...it's all the governor.13 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »Complete shift of gears, here: On errands this afternoon, I found the Very Most Polite And Mask/Distancing Compliant place I've been at, since this whole thing started.
It was a big but very busy (multi-material) public recycling drop-off site run by the local university, near my home. They closed briefly, but are now open 9AM-3PM, M-F (used to be 24x7 pre-pandemic).
Even though it's outdoors, masks are required (presumably because people may get close to each other, possibly coming out of a blind corner). Every other angle-parking spot was blocked with a traffic cone. There was an attendant (never had one pre-pandemic) under a portable canopy. Every single patron I saw was properly masked. People were bustling back and forth, and you'd see people walk between the big receptacles or out toward the cars to maintain distance from others when meeting/passing, despite the masks. The receptacles are giant truck-sized bins with multiple doors to throw recyclables through, and folks were spacing themselves out at different doors, or waiting briefly for a clear spot.
I'm going to double down in my speculation - can't recall if in this or another corona thread here - that different businesses/facilities tend to attract different subgroups as patrons, who have different attitudes toward what's appropriate behavior during this mess.
This is very true. We've recently looked at getting a gun. I'm about as pacifist as you can get and I detest guns, but with everything going on (I've had legit threats against me because I'm outspoken on Facebook against certain lying politicians who shall remain nameless and my business address is online), we've decided to get a couple of handguns and keep them safe. We have no grandkids that visit either, so there's none of that going on here.
We went into one gun shop and no one, not one person, was wearing a mask. Now, keep in mind, a month ago, Arizona was per capita the highest place on the flippin' planet for Coronavirus and the entire county had it as law that they could shut you down for ignoring the statutes. But yet, every single person, including the staff, had no mask on.
Sign of the times. One time I'm not a pacifist -- you threaten my family. Just don't like getting exposed to Covid-19 because the entire gun lobby (at least in AZ) appears to be against masks, which is a shame.
There are leading health care professionals of the same mind set as some gun owners.
https://nypost.com/2020/08/19/swedens-tegnell-wearing-face-masks-may-be-very-dangerous/
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GaleHawkins wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Complete shift of gears, here: On errands this afternoon, I found the Very Most Polite And Mask/Distancing Compliant place I've been at, since this whole thing started.
It was a big but very busy (multi-material) public recycling drop-off site run by the local university, near my home. They closed briefly, but are now open 9AM-3PM, M-F (used to be 24x7 pre-pandemic).
Even though it's outdoors, masks are required (presumably because people may get close to each other, possibly coming out of a blind corner). Every other angle-parking spot was blocked with a traffic cone. There was an attendant (never had one pre-pandemic) under a portable canopy. Every single patron I saw was properly masked. People were bustling back and forth, and you'd see people walk between the big receptacles or out toward the cars to maintain distance from others when meeting/passing, despite the masks. The receptacles are giant truck-sized bins with multiple doors to throw recyclables through, and folks were spacing themselves out at different doors, or waiting briefly for a clear spot.
I'm going to double down in my speculation - can't recall if in this or another corona thread here - that different businesses/facilities tend to attract different subgroups as patrons, who have different attitudes toward what's appropriate behavior during this mess.
This is very true. We've recently looked at getting a gun. I'm about as pacifist as you can get and I detest guns, but with everything going on (I've had legit threats against me because I'm outspoken on Facebook against certain lying politicians who shall remain nameless and my business address is online), we've decided to get a couple of handguns and keep them safe. We have no grandkids that visit either, so there's none of that going on here.
We went into one gun shop and no one, not one person, was wearing a mask. Now, keep in mind, a month ago, Arizona was per capita the highest place on the flippin' planet for Coronavirus and the entire county had it as law that they could shut you down for ignoring the statutes. But yet, every single person, including the staff, had no mask on.
Sign of the times. One time I'm not a pacifist -- you threaten my family. Just don't like getting exposed to Covid-19 because the entire gun lobby (at least in AZ) appears to be against masks, which is a shame.
There are leading health care professionals of the same mind set as some gun owners.
https://nypost.com/2020/08/19/swedens-tegnell-wearing-face-masks-may-be-very-dangerous/
Hmm. The way you framed this suggests -- and thus I must conclude that was your intent -- that Tegnell said that mask wearing was dangerous to one's health. But instead, what he said was:
"“Face masks can be a complement to other things when other things are safely in place,” he said. “But to start with having face masks and then think you can crowd your buses or your shopping malls — that’s definitely a mistake.”
Thus, no, he does not agree with people who are anti social distancing AND anti masks as a political statement. He's saying that if you think you can ignore all other precautions because you have a mask, that's dangerous.
Luckily, I don't see anyone saying that a mask is a panacea such that nothing else matters.19 -
Hey guys - just a reminder that divisive topics should be 'left at the door' here at MFP. I know that some topics this thread touches upon make it difficult to separate divisive topics from current events, and I remain incredibly impressed at the way you guys have handled things so far. Just a gentle reminder. Please, keep divisive topics to a minimum.
I appreciate y'all.
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MikePfirrman wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Complete shift of gears, here: On errands this afternoon, I found the Very Most Polite And Mask/Distancing Compliant place I've been at, since this whole thing started.
It was a big but very busy (multi-material) public recycling drop-off site run by the local university, near my home. They closed briefly, but are now open 9AM-3PM, M-F (used to be 24x7 pre-pandemic).
Even though it's outdoors, masks are required (presumably because people may get close to each other, possibly coming out of a blind corner). Every other angle-parking spot was blocked with a traffic cone. There was an attendant (never had one pre-pandemic) under a portable canopy. Every single patron I saw was properly masked. People were bustling back and forth, and you'd see people walk between the big receptacles or out toward the cars to maintain distance from others when meeting/passing, despite the masks. The receptacles are giant truck-sized bins with multiple doors to throw recyclables through, and folks were spacing themselves out at different doors, or waiting briefly for a clear spot.
I'm going to double down in my speculation - can't recall if in this or another corona thread here - that different businesses/facilities tend to attract different subgroups as patrons, who have different attitudes toward what's appropriate behavior during this mess.
I've had legit threats against me because I'm outspoken on Facebook against certain lying politicians who shall remain nameless and my business address is online
Hindsight always 20/20 and free speech, but this maybe these actions aren't the best idea.
I'm thinking the first "legit threat" I got, I'd back off on the comments.
I have, locally at least. But it's a shame that this country has become that. Conspiracy theorists that believe there are pedophile cannibals, with guns. Because if it weren't for my wife being scared, I wouldn't back off at all.
There has actually never, in our nation's history, been a more important time for people who are sane and believe in science and democracy, to speak up. Shutting the rational people down is what the crazies would like to do. Next thing would be the crazies running the country. I'd rather be dead. When calm people that believe in order and government are silenced, we are an authoritarian regime.
Being threatened online is nothing compared to what others have done to ensure we're all free.
Big hugs sweetie. I would hate being over there right now.3 -
It's been a while since I last posted, so here's a little update from New Zealand...
We as a country had been doing great...101 days with no community transmission! All the active cases were from new arrivals in the country, in managed isolation (and then quarantine facilities). Things were pretty sweet, and day to day life pretty "normal".
Then 10-ish days ago, we had a new community case found...which has led to a cluster. I think as of today, we are looking at around 88 cases from that cluster. We have a total of 105 active cases, including the ones returned from overseas.
The Auckland region quickly went into a fairly high alert level (not quite as harsh as our toughest lockdown, but pretty restricted), and the rest of the country (incl where I am) moved up to "level 2" with a few more restrictions than before.
There's been a huge increase in testing to track down all the links to the known cases. New cases are still appearing each day, but single figures.
But the lockdown is of course taking a big toll on people and their livelihoods.
Being in a different region, my kids are still at school, and DH and I are still at work. But some things have changed - limits on spectators at kids sport, no overnight camps for scouts, no school disco...little things in the scheme of it, really. Makes me appreciate what we CAN do a lot more again19 -
My MIL's PCR test came back negative. She's still sick, but it isn't covid.21
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@MikePfirrman You're very smart. You will figure this thing out.
I've washed all of my masks. They're hanging UP and I'm ready for what tomorrow brings. 2020 has taken us to the cleaners and we've been wrung through the wringer.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Complete shift of gears, here: On errands this afternoon, I found the Very Most Polite And Mask/Distancing Compliant place I've been at, since this whole thing started.
It was a big but very busy (multi-material) public recycling drop-off site run by the local university, near my home. They closed briefly, but are now open 9AM-3PM, M-F (used to be 24x7 pre-pandemic).
Even though it's outdoors, masks are required (presumably because people may get close to each other, possibly coming out of a blind corner). Every other angle-parking spot was blocked with a traffic cone. There was an attendant (never had one pre-pandemic) under a portable canopy. Every single patron I saw was properly masked. People were bustling back and forth, and you'd see people walk between the big receptacles or out toward the cars to maintain distance from others when meeting/passing, despite the masks. The receptacles are giant truck-sized bins with multiple doors to throw recyclables through, and folks were spacing themselves out at different doors, or waiting briefly for a clear spot.
I'm going to double down in my speculation - can't recall if in this or another corona thread here - that different businesses/facilities tend to attract different subgroups as patrons, who have different attitudes toward what's appropriate behavior during this mess.
This is very true. We've recently looked at getting a gun. I'm about as pacifist as you can get and I detest guns, but with everything going on (I've had legit threats against me because I'm outspoken on Facebook against certain lying politicians who shall remain nameless and my business address is online), we've decided to get a couple of handguns and keep them safe. We have no grandkids that visit either, so there's none of that going on here.
We went into one gun shop and no one, not one person, was wearing a mask. Now, keep in mind, a month ago, Arizona was per capita the highest place on the flippin' planet for Coronavirus and the entire county had it as law that they could shut you down for ignoring the statutes. But yet, every single person, including the staff, had no mask on.
Sign of the times. One time I'm not a pacifist -- you threaten my family. Just don't like getting exposed to Covid-19 because the entire gun lobby (at least in AZ) appears to be against masks, which is a shame.
There are leading health care professionals of the same mind set as some gun owners.
https://nypost.com/2020/08/19/swedens-tegnell-wearing-face-masks-may-be-very-dangerous/
Hmm. The way you framed this suggests -- and thus I must conclude that was your intent -- that Tegnell said that mask wearing was dangerous to one's health. But instead, what he said was:
"“Face masks can be a complement to other things when other things are safely in place,” he said. “But to start with having face masks and then think you can crowd your buses or your shopping malls — that’s definitely a mistake.”
Thus, no, he does not agree with people who are anti social distancing AND anti masks as a political statement. He's saying that if you think you can ignore all other precautions because you have a mask, that's dangerous.
Luckily, I don't see anyone saying that a mask is a panacea such that nothing else matters.
Your post is on target. Thanks2 -
It's been a while since I last posted, so here's a little update from New Zealand...
We as a country had been doing great...101 days with no community transmission! All the active cases were from new arrivals in the country, in managed isolation (and then quarantine facilities). Things were pretty sweet, and day to day life pretty "normal".
Then 10-ish days ago, we had a new community case found...which has led to a cluster. I think as of today, we are looking at around 88 cases from that cluster. We have a total of 105 active cases, including the ones returned from overseas.
The Auckland region quickly went into a fairly high alert level (not quite as harsh as our toughest lockdown, but pretty restricted), and the rest of the country (incl where I am) moved up to "level 2" with a few more restrictions than before.
There's been a huge increase in testing to track down all the links to the known cases. New cases are still appearing each day, but single figures.
But the lockdown is of course taking a big toll on people and their livelihoods.
Being in a different region, my kids are still at school, and DH and I are still at work. But some things have changed - limits on spectators at kids sport, no overnight camps for scouts, no school disco...little things in the scheme of it, really. Makes me appreciate what we CAN do a lot more again
God, it's just so rational and orderly. It's like, I don't know, effective leadership or something. Bless you, Kiwis. I'm very sorry for the livelihood toll. That's no joke. Perhaps take solace in knowing that the result has been monumentally effective. Stay safe. Thanks for sharing. Makes me feel slightly better about humanity.13 -
We are such a global community anymore that sadly even if one country/locality/state appears to be nailing the response down, it's only a matter of time before it pops back up again. We are just lucky that the mortality of known cases is "only" 5%, If this were a true plague with higher mortality we would probably be looking at close to an extinction event seeing as how we do not seem to have the ability to work together as a world against a common enemy (virus).
And that's my Debbie downer note for today.13 -
In the town nearest to us (small town population 20,000 with 2 colleges. About 3000 students enrolled at this college) off campus party has resulted in an outbreak of Covid-19 among the party goers. Annual tuition $50,000/year. How are they going to get a grip on COVID-19 with this occurring at universities and colleges across the country? I’m in Minnesota, and the highest rates of new infections is in the 20-30 age group.2
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SummerSkier wrote: »We are such a global community anymore that sadly even if one country/locality/state appears to be nailing the response down, it's only a matter of time before it pops back up again. We are just lucky that the mortality of known cases is "only" 5%, If this were a true plague with higher mortality we would probably be looking at close to an extinction event seeing as how we do not seem to have the ability to work together as a world against a common enemy (virus).
And that's my Debbie downer note for today.
I noted something about this the other day. New mathematical models, because scientists are now saying that T Cells are just as, if not more important that antibodies, that we might only need to reach 43% or less of the population ( I think they said 43%) before we have herd immunity. That's great news, actually.
Sweden went for this early and deliberately. The irony is, the US didn't at all, but might achieve it soon after Sweden. Sweden's decision was controversial and (some would say) cost some of their old their lives. Our response would be just utter and complete incompetence.
At this point, I say with the young and dumb and the anti-maskers, as well as those that have already been exposed -- through no fault of their own -- we're inching closer and closer to that 43%. I do think after Fall, which will be bad, that we'll see the numbers dropping dramatically.
I think that's positive in a dark kind of way??4 -
ExistingFish wrote: »My MIL's PCR test came back negative. She's still sick, but it isn't covid.
Could be. My friend who had it for 10 weeks tested negative. Dr. Said maybe because they tested so late, maybe a bad test.
She also tested negative for antibodies about 12 weeks after first symptoms. She is now in quarantine again because she was definitely exposed.3 -
SummerSkier wrote: »We are such a global community anymore that sadly even if one country/locality/state appears to be nailing the response down, it's only a matter of time before it pops back up again. We are just lucky that the mortality of known cases is "only" 5%, If this were a true plague with higher mortality we would probably be looking at close to an extinction event seeing as how we do not seem to have the ability to work together as a world against a common enemy (virus).
And that's my Debbie downer note for today.
Mortality is less than 1%.4 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »We are such a global community anymore that sadly even if one country/locality/state appears to be nailing the response down, it's only a matter of time before it pops back up again. We are just lucky that the mortality of known cases is "only" 5%, If this were a true plague with higher mortality we would probably be looking at close to an extinction event seeing as how we do not seem to have the ability to work together as a world against a common enemy (virus).
And that's my Debbie downer note for today.
Mortality is less than 1%.
Mortality of closed cases. Of course statistics are all over but I used worldometer and have been watching it there. I'm sure you can find more statistics for all cases versus known which maybe are less. It doesn't truly matter. My point is that this sort of global catastrophe should bring the world together but instead we continue to think local.
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