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Better safe than sorry until we get an effective vaccine
Do you really think we will get an effective vaccine? There's never been a vaccine for a coronavirus before, viruses mutate all the time, and we can't even get a decent vaccine for the flu half the time (it seems like anyway). Not to mention there will be no long term studies to see what effects any vaccine will have long term....just seems like hoping for a vaccine is a pipe dream at best
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It just doesn't seem realistic - and honest question, will you be happy to live the rest of your life isolated from friends and family? Because that could happen if we don't come up with a vaccine. I mean we can hope for a vaccine that is long term proven both effective and safe but what will our mental health be if we avoid all people/activities for so long? Will you be willing to take one that hasn't had any long term studies on it? Isn't that risking health issues just as much as Covid?
Reality is that some countries are now into a second round of lockdowns and restrictions. Doesn't seem like we'll be back to "normal" any time soon.4 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »My cousin is taking more preventative measures than anyone I know. We call her CDC. She just related to us that we need to flush and run, especially in public places. It is the dreaded 'Rona mushroom cloud. Toilet plumes
lift 'Rona droplets out into the atmosphere to be inhaled. They say, Ol' CDC to turn your head after flushing and run like hail. Just what we need. More multi-cr@p to worry about.
Until I joined MFP, I never thought of the dangers of flushing. Even before COVID19 someone argued you should always close the lid and then flush!!5 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »My cousin is taking more preventative measures than anyone I know. We call her CDC. She just related to us that we need to flush and run, especially in public places. It is the dreaded 'Rona mushroom cloud. Toilet plumes
lift 'Rona droplets out into the atmosphere to be inhaled. They say, Ol' CDC to turn your head after flushing and run like hail. Just what we need. More multi-cr@p to worry about.
Until I joined MFP, I never thought of the dangers of flushing. Even before COVID19 someone argued you should always close the lid and then flush!!
I've closed the lid first ever since learning how many feet the droplets can travel from flushing. Ewww
Using a public toilet now? Absolutely not.2 -
I am a manager in retail pharmacy. We wear masks for our entire 8 hour shift. Our own choice if material or disposable. Disposable irritates me more while on but washable cloth ones are easier while wearing but my face itches all night after I get home and take it off. I washed one once and used Downey fabric softener, big mistake.6
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A question to those who have worn masks in public places for a longer time: do you get more skin irritation/flare-ups in your chin, nose or cheeks?
We got a mask advisory for public transportation on Thursday, and today a newspaper did interviews of people in the train. There was a woman who didn’t wear a mask, and her arguments included ”it will only be useful if everyone wears it, so I won’t wear it unless forced”, which, ?????? Can’t really understand the logic. Her other argument was that her cosmetologist/beautician had speculated on possible skin issues, which, again, I really wonder if they could be worse than the effects of covid-19.
Whether the mask causes pimples or other skin issues won’t affect my decision to wear a mask, but I got genuinely curious.
Yes, I have had a really bad rash on my face from wearing them all the time. I have sensitive skin and nothing I've done has helped, but it won't stop me from wearing them. It gets really bad when I have to wear them 10-13h a day on long shifts. Cloth masks are a little better, but we aren't allowed to wear those at work (I work in healthcare).
I live in NY and gyms are FINALLY set to open this coming Monday.Regarding holiday plans, I'm open to the possibility that there will be much better testing -- readily available, quick results, more accurate. I'm optimistic that at some point, if not by the holidays, people can take a test before deciding to visit grandma.
Our two college kids will live at home Thanksgiving-January, and we've asked them to test before they come back home. We had a lot of pointless quarantining -- 8 weeks total -- because tests were not available and results took >2 weeks. Each time a kid came home, we stayed in 2 weeks. Then one had indoor exposure (dinner) to someone who tested positive (step brother). Looking back, it seems like so much wasted effort because of inadequate testing. A cheap saliva self-test could make the holidays a lot merrier and safer for all.
ETA: https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/saliva-tests-how-they-work-and-what-they-bring-to-covid-19-67720
https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/15/fda-clears-saliva-test-for-covid-19-opening-door-to-wider-testing/
In the hospital we have rapid COVID testing with results in <30 minutes, so I hope it becomes more available to the general public.6 -
Diet tip: Read flushing toilet cautionary tales before meals.
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »
So students are blaming the university? I'm pretty sure nobody in the administration twisted anyone's arm and forced them to go to parties.
I'm sure not every student went to a party, but that's what the universities would like you to believe...that they took every safety precaution, but the students screwed it up on their own. The university knew exactly what would happen, but opened the campus anyway. It just so happens, by coincidence, that yesterday was the day the tuition bills were due at UNC, so they waited until then to close the campus. Revenue comes above student safety. Now, they are sending all these infected kids back to their families.11 -
Speaking of schools reopening, there’s a photo of yesterday’s first day of high school classes in the local paper, and the students are.... watching a video. The local school system has a hybrid system with two days in class, three days home, to allow social distancing because they don’t have room for all the students. And they use those precious two days of on-site teaching to WATCH A VIDEO? Can’t they watch a video at home, and I dunno, actually get instruction from a teacher at school?
Also, I read an interview with an epidemiologist in the Boston Globe about hybrid schooling, and he believes it’s insane. Doesn’t reduce risk at all and even increases it by forcing students to have two or three different social networks, since most must go to daycare for some of the time “home.”
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I went to the Salvation Army this a.m. and good change from last time is everyone is wearing masks now, Thank You Gov. Scott!! I load up my arms with books and puzzles, get to the counter, set them down, and the clerk starts coughing, hacking and sneezing. Oy I told her to keep the change, hoping to keep contact to a minimum but she said she was required to give me the receipt.
I'm sure it was just a cold.
I hope.11 -
I went to the Salvation Army this a.m. and good change from last time is everyone is wearing masks now, Thank You Gov. Scott!! I load up my arms with books and puzzles, get to the counter, set them down, and the clerk starts coughing, hacking and sneezing. Oy I told her to keep the change, hoping to keep contact to a minimum but she said she was required to give me the receipt. I'm sure it was just a cold.
I hope.
Not to be a Karen, but I would suggest reporting her. Locally we have a hotline for just that. She should not be at work while symptomatic with anything, colds included, and her boss or manager needs a good slap.11 -
We were supposed to go to a hybrid model for school here in NM after Labor Day weekend...sounds like that isn't going to happen and we'll be doing online until at least January.
Today is the first day of school and thankfully things are much more organized than during the spring, so I think this should work fairly well.7 -
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SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »
So students are blaming the university? I'm pretty sure nobody in the administration twisted anyone's arm and forced them to go to parties.
I'm sure not every student went to a party, but that's what the universities would like you to believe...that they took every safety precaution, but the students screwed it up on their own. The university knew exactly what would happen, but opened the campus anyway. It just so happens, by coincidence, that yesterday was the day the tuition bills were due at UNC, so they waited until then to close the campus. Revenue comes above student safety. Now, they are sending all these infected kids back to their families.
I dont know anything about the UNC system, so I can't speak to that specifically. (But I did work in another large state university for 30 years, much of it in administration.)
I'm sure that they and all universities are making truly grievous mistakes in their precautions and other aspects of decision making, because all organizations (and individuals) are doing that, given the speed of this happening, and the lack of experience/knowledge about how to handle anything similar - even if they're trying to do right, as I expect most are.
In particular contexts, politics will have been a significant factor, and not universally a helpful one. (Even in my state, where state universities are insulated somewhat from state government, politics is a huge factor.)
But did you click through, and read the letter the student chair of the UNC student organization wrote to the 'Carolina Community'? It includes this passage:The partying, large social gatherings, and social life will be waiting on you after this pandemic is under control, but until then you must realize that we are just as responsible as our administration for the welfare of our community.
. . . among other passages that appear to recognize, in a context of condemning the university administration as well, that the student population has probably not been exactly pure, in this set of circumstances.
Even just on that basis, it appears to be more complicated than either "badly behaved students" or "cynical and incompetent administration", which would be unsurprising.
Yes, the university should know the population they're dealing with. They will nonetheless possibly feel some obligation to resume instructing them in instructionally optimal ways as soon as practical, despite that being in tension with contagion risk. (They frequently balance public health risk and instructional goals IME, amongst lesser but still serious challenges, such as campus level outbreaks of serious contagious diseases, literal riots, culture of binge drinking (and its complications, like sexual assault). . . .).
These are complicated situations, plenty of blame to go around. It's easy to seize on "stupid kids" or "cynical administrations" based on headlines and our own biases. Inevitably, it's more nuanced than that.5 -
Are you kidding me? I got flagged for trying to make someone chuckle??
Someone's a ******.10 -
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I went to the Salvation Army this a.m. and good change from last time is everyone is wearing masks now, Thank You Gov. Scott!! I load up my arms with books and puzzles, get to the counter, set them down, and the clerk starts coughing, hacking and sneezing. Oy I told her to keep the change, hoping to keep contact to a minimum but she said she was required to give me the receipt. I'm sure it was just a cold.
I hope.
Here it’s also mandatory to give the receipt. Most stores I’ve been to have reorganized the tills and turned the receipt printer towards the customer so they can just say ”your receipt is there” and customers can easily grab it if they want it. I really hope it stays this way even post-pandemic, so there’s no need for that awkward social interaction and less germ exchange for the clerk.5 -
Gym Users in the Northeastern US: How safe do you feel going to the gym these days? My Planet Fitness (don't judge me
) opened several weeks ago, but I still haven't gone after seeing most folks not wearing masks or incorrectly. Have there been gyms that have opened, but then had to close? 1 -
I usually do very hot water (pot on the stove, near boiling), and a drop of dish soap (dawn for us)... swirl it around with tongs or a spoon, let soak, and rinse well. So far so good, and no perfumes to breathe either!MiaBella444 wrote: »I am a manager in retail pharmacy. We wear masks for our entire 8 hour shift. Our own choice if material or disposable. Disposable irritates me more while on but washable cloth ones are easier while wearing but my face itches all night after I get home and take it off. I washed one once and used Downey fabric softener, big mistake.
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rheddmobile wrote: »Also, I read an interview with an epidemiologist in the Boston Globe about hybrid schooling, and he believes it’s insane. Doesn’t reduce risk at all and even increases it by forcing students to have two or three different social networks, since most must go to daycare for some of the time “home.”
I was wondering the same thing. Hybrid systems potentially increase the number of different people they are exposed to, increasing the risk, for students and staff. Can’t be good.
I’m beginning to become concerned about the upcoming flu season. How are health care clinics going to test for people presenting with flu symptoms. Are they going to test for both? My husband and I are both in our late 60’s. I’m retired, but he’s still working. There has been several cases at the company that he works for. Thankfully, he has no direct contact with any of the people that have had covid. We’re getting our seasonal flu shots on Friday. Everyone should get seasonal flu shots this year.6 -
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There have been some positive, really optimistic things come out in the news lately. One said they are thinking that once your T cells learn to recognize any Coronavirus, you're likely to be protected in the future.
Another (I'm not sure if related) I read about said that some scientists are now thinking "herd immunity" might occur if 43% or less of the population gets the virus. Both of these are recent updates and very promising. Maybe there is starting to be some light at the end of the tunnel.
I do think we're in for a rough Fall but after that, I think it will get significantly better. Be vigilant this Fall and try to get your flu shots.6 -
I'm using this one for washing my masks.2
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A question to those who have worn masks in public places for a longer time: do you get more skin irritation/flare-ups in your chin, nose or cheeks?
We got a mask advisory for public transportation on Thursday, and today a newspaper did interviews of people in the train. There was a woman who didn’t wear a mask, and her arguments included ”it will only be useful if everyone wears it, so I won’t wear it unless forced”, which, ?????? Can’t really understand the logic. Her other argument was that her cosmetologist/beautician had speculated on possible skin issues, which, again, I really wonder if they could be worse than the effects of covid-19.
Whether the mask causes pimples or other skin issues won’t affect my decision to wear a mask, but I got genuinely curious.
Crazy woman!! So if she's not wearing hers, that's one less person in the count towards "everybody". She should lead by example.
I don't have reason to wear mine often, but I think I can confirm about the pimples. Still I don't have a choice. Everywhere I go, its mandatory to wear a mask. Simple compliance would go a long way to solving this crisis.7 -
missysippy930 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »Also, I read an interview with an epidemiologist in the Boston Globe about hybrid schooling, and he believes it’s insane. Doesn’t reduce risk at all and even increases it by forcing students to have two or three different social networks, since most must go to daycare for some of the time “home.”
I was wondering the same thing. Hybrid systems potentially increase the number of different people they are exposed to, increasing the risk, for students and staff. Can’t be good.
I’m beginning to become concerned about the upcoming flu season. How are health care clinics going to test for people presenting with flu symptoms. Are they going to test for both? My husband and I are both in our late 60’s. I’m retired, but he’s still working. There has been several cases at the company that he works for. Thankfully, he has no direct contact with any of the people that have had covid. We’re getting our seasonal flu shots on Friday. Everyone should get seasonal flu shots this year.
It's going to be awkward. My co-worker's son had what they (the parents) thought was strep throat, but no clinic would let him come in until he had a negative COVID-19 test. So they had to get that done (it's kinda hard here at the moment if you want the results quickly). They wound up paying quite a bit out of pocket for it. Finally got to the doctor, yep . . . it was strep. I understand the precautions and my co-worker was able to make it work, but they had the time and money to easily complete the extra steps. What about the families that don't have that?
I always get my seasonal flu shot, but I am extra motivated this year. I don't want to have to worry about getting it AT ALL and I don't want anyone around me to be exposed because of me.14 -
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My MIL started feeling sick Sunday, she said it felt like strep throat. Her doctor had her come in for a strep test and a covid test, the strep test was negative (although rapid strep tests are not super accurate I've heard) so she is waiting on her covid test. She said it feels just like strep and she really doesn't think she has covid, she said if she does she's surprised - it is not as bad as she was worried it would be. It feels like strep to her. Her doctor thinks it is covid though. They just came out and swabbed her in her car. She expects results tomorrow afternoon or Friday morning.13
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I went to the Salvation Army this a.m. and good change from last time is everyone is wearing masks now, Thank You Gov. Scott!! I load up my arms with books and puzzles, get to the counter, set them down, and the clerk starts coughing, hacking and sneezing. Oy I told her to keep the change, hoping to keep contact to a minimum but she said she was required to give me the receipt. I'm sure it was just a cold.
I hope.
Horrible!! And she didn't even understand your gentle hint.1 -
I went to the Salvation Army this a.m. and good change from last time is everyone is wearing masks now, Thank You Gov. Scott!! I load up my arms with books and puzzles, get to the counter, set them down, and the clerk starts coughing, hacking and sneezing. Oy I told her to keep the change, hoping to keep contact to a minimum but she said she was required to give me the receipt. I'm sure it was just a cold.
I hope.
Here it’s also mandatory to give the receipt. Most stores I’ve been to have reorganized the tills and turned the receipt printer towards the customer so they can just say ”your receipt is there” and customers can easily grab it if they want it. I really hope it stays this way even post-pandemic, so there’s no need for that awkward social interaction and less germ exchange for the clerk.
Funny thing!! I was sitting in the restaurant drive through line while reading this. So I reach the pay window and the cashier no longer touches the card if we have Chip & Pin. She hands me the same credit card machine everyone else touched, I put my card in and touch the same pin pad everyone else used, and remove my card. She tears off the credit card slip and enters the Authorization number into her transaction on the cash register. Then she hands me the slip. I go to the pickup window, they hand me the food, and with the till receipt in hand she asks me if I want it or not. Guess I'd touched everything else already so that was just one more thing.3 -
I wanted to update on my MIL: Her doctor's office did a Point of Care antigen test as well as sending her sample for a PCR test. The antigen tests are reliable if positive but can give false negatives, which is why they did both.
Her antigen test was negative. Her doctor's office said they have only had two that came up negative on the antigen that later went to be positive on the PCR, so it is likely she does not have it, but to continue to quarantine until the PCR test comes back (they expect it tomorrow).
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