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A question to those who have worn masks in public places for a longer time: do you get more skin irritation/flare-ups in your chin, nose or cheeks?
We got a mask advisory for public transportation on Thursday, and today a newspaper did interviews of people in the train. There was a woman who didn’t wear a mask, and her arguments included ”it will only be useful if everyone wears it, so I won’t wear it unless forced”, which, ?????? Can’t really understand the logic. Her other argument was that her cosmetologist/beautician had speculated on possible skin issues, which, again, I really wonder if they could be worse than the effects of covid-19.
Whether the mask causes pimples or other skin issues won’t affect my decision to wear a mask, but I got genuinely curious.
I haven't had any skin issues from masks.4 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »My cousin is taking more preventative measures than anyone I know. We call her CDC. She just related to us that we need to flush and run, especially in public places. It is the dreaded 'Rona mushroom cloud. Toilet plumes
lift 'Rona droplets out into the atmosphere to be inhaled. They say, Ol' CDC to turn your head after flushing and run like hail. Just what we need. More multi-cr@p to worry about.
This is actually a valid concern, and one reason why I won’t travel right now, because I’m not willing to use a public toilet. Covid is shed in human feces, and infectious virus has been recovered from air in hospital bathrooms in China, hours after use.
Experts differ on how much they believe aerosols are driving transmission, but one thing they agree on at the moment, and that is that there are a large number of cases of unknown origin. So it seems pretty whack to say it never happens, when infectious virus can be recovered and cultured from aerosols, and about half of cases are coming from somewhere the experts can’t seem to figure out.
However, turning your head and rushing away won’t save you, unless you somehow manage to hold your breath and wear goggles the whole time you are in the restroom. So yeah. The silly bathroom dance is pretty pointless.8 -
A question to those who have worn masks in public places for a longer time: do you get more skin irritation/flare-ups in your chin, nose or cheeks?
We got a mask advisory for public transportation on Thursday, and today a newspaper did interviews of people in the train. There was a woman who didn’t wear a mask, and her arguments included ”it will only be useful if everyone wears it, so I won’t wear it unless forced”, which, ?????? Can’t really understand the logic. Her other argument was that her cosmetologist/beautician had speculated on possible skin issues, which, again, I really wonder if they could be worse than the effects of covid-19.
Whether the mask causes pimples or other skin issues won’t affect my decision to wear a mask, but I got genuinely curious.
My sister works in healthcare, she's got maskne. My husband's cousin works at Walmart, she has it - she said she has 60-year-old women complaining about the acne.
Both of them said disposable ones make it worse, something in the material?
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MikePfirrman wrote: »
I'm really sorry you're going through all of this. It has been hard. Harder for some than others.
I'm not going to minimize what you're going through. It's a difficult reality for many. Have you thought of maybe going for a walk or trying to find some socially distant activities? Isolation is very hard. Perhaps adopt a pet so you're not so lonely if you can afford to do that.
Thank you.
I actually have 2 cats who are pretty much what is keeping me sane. Having them around is a lifesaver and I am very grateful for them. However, they don't do much for the lack of interaction with others. Not great at keeping up a conversation lol.
I do have a table top role play game that will be starting soon on Zoom. We are just on hold atm because the game master is doing a play (digitally) so he has to finish that before we can start. Should be in just a couple more weeks though so I am looking forward to that. And I also plan to take up walking and hiking once it's not so hot out that I don't feel like I am in an oven.
I'm just tired of not being free to do what I want to do. When going to a different grocery store is the most exciting thing that happens to you, it gets a little boring. I also know that a lot of my mental health issues are also due to my physical health. My fatigue, digestive problems, sleep issues, migraines, and more can be explained by my *kitten* diet. I order in food way too much and feel like junk pretty much every single time after I eat. So I am focusing on trying to work on that. Not calorie counting or anything because my anxiety is too bad for it (I can get really bad OCD and anxiety issues with calorie counting as it is so no need to add to the current levels), but just trying to get back into a healthier mind set. More produce. Smaller portions. Learning to listen to my hunger and fullness cues. Keeping my food more simple (cooking and what I buy at the store). Less eating out. That sort of thing.
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My husband has to wear a specific type of disposable mask at work and you can see chapped skin through his beardExistingFish wrote: »A question to those who have worn masks in public places for a longer time: do you get more skin irritation/flare-ups in your chin, nose or cheeks?
We got a mask advisory for public transportation on Thursday, and today a newspaper did interviews of people in the train. There was a woman who didn’t wear a mask, and her arguments included ”it will only be useful if everyone wears it, so I won’t wear it unless forced”, which, ?????? Can’t really understand the logic. Her other argument was that her cosmetologist/beautician had speculated on possible skin issues, which, again, I really wonder if they could be worse than the effects of covid-19.
Whether the mask causes pimples or other skin issues won’t affect my decision to wear a mask, but I got genuinely curious.
My sister works in healthcare, she's got maskne. My husband's cousin works at Walmart, she has it - she said she has 60-year-old women complaining about the acne.
Both of them said disposable ones make it worse, something in the material?
My oldest just turned 13 so breakouts have been happening for a little while, but he has this weird area on each side of his nose/upper lip area - can’t tell if it’s a rash or breakout. He doesn’t wear a mask often (to church on Sunday, only during coming and going because we sit off to ourselves in the “storage area” pews, random other occasions are rare because most activities are just our family and outdoors), so it seems weird that it would be the cause, but we can’t figure out what else it would be.
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A question to those who have worn masks in public places for a longer time: do you get more skin irritation/flare-ups in your chin, nose or cheeks?
We got a mask advisory for public transportation on Thursday, and today a newspaper did interviews of people in the train. There was a woman who didn’t wear a mask, and her arguments included ”it will only be useful if everyone wears it, so I won’t wear it unless forced”, which, ?????? Can’t really understand the logic. Her other argument was that her cosmetologist/beautician had speculated on possible skin issues, which, again, I really wonder if they could be worse than the effects of covid-19.
Whether the mask causes pimples or other skin issues won’t affect my decision to wear a mask, but I got genuinely curious.
I've worn several types of masks and none irritated my skin. However, I don't need them for long stretches of time. Average time is about 30-45 minutes (grocery shopping.)2 -
baconslave wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »
Better safe than sorry until we get an effective vaccine
Do you really think we will get an effective vaccine? There's never been a vaccine for a coronavirus before, viruses mutate all the time, and we can't even get a decent vaccine for the flu half the time (it seems like anyway). Not to mention there will be no long term studies to see what effects any vaccine will have long term....just seems like hoping for a vaccine is a pipe dream at best.
It just doesn't seem realistic - and honest question, will you be happy to live the rest of your life isolated from friends and family? Because that could happen if we don't come up with a vaccine. I mean we can hope for a vaccine that is long term proven both effective and safe but what will our mental health be if we avoid all people/activities for so long? Will you be willing to take one that hasn't had any long term studies on it? Isn't that risking health issues just as much as Covid?
The flu vaccine is actually very effective, the problem is there are many versions of the flu and they don't always predict the correct ones. Even so, if everyone who could get the vaccine every year did get it, we would have a better chance on any given year of at least approaching herd immunity and greatly reducing flu transmission.
One of the primary reasons there are no coronavirus vaccines is that the common coronaviruses are not dangerous and the dangerous ones are not common. It's simply not budget conscious. C19 is I think the first coronavirus to warrant the time and resources to develop and produce a vaccine.
My understanding from researchers I follow on social media is the two major vaccines being tested in the US are being built with ingredients already being used in other vaccines. Assuming phase 3 of either trial shows efficacy, I will be in line for a jab as soon as I'm allowed. As more data comes out, it sounds like a measurable percentage of people end up with long term side effects like chronic fatigue, heart inflammation, circulatory issues, even those who had a mild illness. Could be as high as 40%. Serious stuff.
It is quite possible that at least in the beginning, continuing boosters will be required to maintain some level of immunity.
Having said that, of course there's no guarantee. If there is no vaccine, efforts will have to switch to increasingly efficient testing and treatment to avoid the millions of deaths seen in 1918. I'll worry about that bridge if we get there, which hopefully we won't. But I'm not going to throw caution to the wind now because I might have to throw caution to the wind later. We don't know enough yet to give up IMHO.
While I respect your decision to get in line for a jab, I am curious as to why you do not find this to be a deterrent "As more data comes out, it sounds like a measurable percentage of people end up with long term side effects like chronic fatigue, heart inflammation, circulatory issues, even those who had a mild illness. Could be as high as 40%."
I took it to mean that she was listing the risks associated with getting the virus. So in light of the likelihood of experiencing those long term after-effects, she is really seriously considering getting the vaccine right away. That's how I read it anyway.
Yes, this. Sorry if that wasn't clear, it looks like I was typing as the thoughts popped into my head lol. The long lasting effects are from covid-19, the jab would hopefully help to spare me from them!
Oh! I thought you meant as more data comes out about the VACCINES, not the VIRUS, lol. Thanks for clearing that up
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MikePfirrman wrote: »
I'm really sorry you're going through all of this. It has been hard. Harder for some than others.
I'm not going to minimize what you're going through. It's a difficult reality for many. Have you thought of maybe going for a walk or trying to find some socially distant activities? Isolation is very hard. Perhaps adopt a pet so you're not so lonely if you can afford to do that.
Thank you.
I actually have 2 cats who are pretty much what is keeping me sane. Having them around is a lifesaver and I am very grateful for them. However, they don't do much for the lack of interaction with others. Not great at keeping up a conversation lol.
I do have a table top role play game that will be starting soon on Zoom. We are just on hold atm because the game master is doing a play (digitally) so he has to finish that before we can start. Should be in just a couple more weeks though so I am looking forward to that. And I also plan to take up walking and hiking once it's not so hot out that I don't feel like I am in an oven.
I'm just tired of not being free to do what I want to do. When going to a different grocery store is the most exciting thing that happens to you, it gets a little boring. I also know that a lot of my mental health issues are also due to my physical health. My fatigue, digestive problems, sleep issues, migraines, and more can be explained by my *kitten* diet. I order in food way too much and feel like junk pretty much every single time after I eat. So I am focusing on trying to work on that. Not calorie counting or anything because my anxiety is too bad for it (I can get really bad OCD and anxiety issues with calorie counting as it is so no need to add to the current levels), but just trying to get back into a healthier mind set. More produce. Smaller portions. Learning to listen to my hunger and fullness cues. Keeping my food more simple (cooking and what I buy at the store). Less eating out. That sort of thing.
I'm having lots of physical and mental health issues these days too.
I started addressing my anxiety and poor coping skills of this via tele-health with a behavioral health intern, which was somewhat helpful, but can really tell the difference between an intern and someone experienced. Fortunately, her program ended and I am now with someone a lot more experienced, which makes a BIG difference. Had a great session today. I prefer video calls - the remoteness feels safer.
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MikePfirrman wrote: »
I'm really sorry you're going through all of this. It has been hard. Harder for some than others.
I'm not going to minimize what you're going through. It's a difficult reality for many. Have you thought of maybe going for a walk or trying to find some socially distant activities? Isolation is very hard. Perhaps adopt a pet so you're not so lonely if you can afford to do that.
Thank you.
I actually have 2 cats who are pretty much what is keeping me sane. Having them around is a lifesaver and I am very grateful for them. However, they don't do much for the lack of interaction with others. Not great at keeping up a conversation lol.
I do have a table top role play game that will be starting soon on Zoom. We are just on hold atm because the game master is doing a play (digitally) so he has to finish that before we can start. Should be in just a couple more weeks though so I am looking forward to that. And I also plan to take up walking and hiking once it's not so hot out that I don't feel like I am in an oven.
I'm just tired of not being free to do what I want to do. When going to a different grocery store is the most exciting thing that happens to you, it gets a little boring. I also know that a lot of my mental health issues are also due to my physical health. My fatigue, digestive problems, sleep issues, migraines, and more can be explained by my *kitten* diet. I order in food way too much and feel like junk pretty much every single time after I eat. So I am focusing on trying to work on that. Not calorie counting or anything because my anxiety is too bad for it (I can get really bad OCD and anxiety issues with calorie counting as it is so no need to add to the current levels), but just trying to get back into a healthier mind set. More produce. Smaller portions. Learning to listen to my hunger and fullness cues. Keeping my food more simple (cooking and what I buy at the store). Less eating out. That sort of thing.
I talk a ton to my animals these days. I have 3 dogs and two cats and I'm sure my neighbors think I'm crazy if they would hear me having conversations with my dogs in the AM. But I have a borderline unhealthy affection for animals anyway, so screw the neighbors
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moonangel12 wrote: »
My husband has to wear a specific type of disposable mask at work and you can see chapped skin through his beardExistingFish wrote: »A question to those who have worn masks in public places for a longer time: do you get more skin irritation/flare-ups in your chin, nose or cheeks?
We got a mask advisory for public transportation on Thursday, and today a newspaper did interviews of people in the train. There was a woman who didn’t wear a mask, and her arguments included ”it will only be useful if everyone wears it, so I won’t wear it unless forced”, which, ?????? Can’t really understand the logic. Her other argument was that her cosmetologist/beautician had speculated on possible skin issues, which, again, I really wonder if they could be worse than the effects of covid-19.
Whether the mask causes pimples or other skin issues won’t affect my decision to wear a mask, but I got genuinely curious.
My sister works in healthcare, she's got maskne. My husband's cousin works at Walmart, she has it - she said she has 60-year-old women complaining about the acne.
Both of them said disposable ones make it worse, something in the material?
My oldest just turned 13 so breakouts have been happening for a little while, but he has this weird area on each side of his nose/upper lip area - can’t tell if it’s a rash or breakout. He doesn’t wear a mask often (to church on Sunday, only during coming and going because we sit off to ourselves in the “storage area” pews, random other occasions are rare because most activities are just our family and outdoors), so it seems weird that it would be the cause, but we can’t figure out what else it would be.
I would add, I work from home so I just wear my mask when entering the gym and to church on Sunday, as well as a once-weekly shopping trip (if we don't do pickup) and/or the occasional dash into the dollar store. I just have my regular annoying adult acne, I haven't noticed any more due to mask usage, but I'm not wearing mine all day like my family members who mentioned it.0 -
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A question to those who have worn masks in public places for a longer time: do you get more skin irritation/flare-ups in your chin, nose or cheeks?
We got a mask advisory for public transportation on Thursday, and today a newspaper did interviews of people in the train. There was a woman who didn’t wear a mask, and her arguments included ”it will only be useful if everyone wears it, so I won’t wear it unless forced”, which, ?????? Can’t really understand the logic. Her other argument was that her cosmetologist/beautician had speculated on possible skin issues, which, again, I really wonder if they could be worse than the effects of covid-19.
Whether the mask causes pimples or other skin issues won’t affect my decision to wear a mask, but I got genuinely curious.
No, and I definitely would, considering both my skin's tendencies and the fact that I'm always wearing quite a heavy sunscreen which is getting rubbed by parts of the mask. Most of my masks are cotton, not sure if that makes a difference. The longest I've worn a mask continuously would be about two hours.3 -
A question to those who have worn masks in public places for a longer time: do you get more skin irritation/flare-ups in your chin, nose or cheeks?
We got a mask advisory for public transportation on Thursday, and today a newspaper did interviews of people in the train. There was a woman who didn’t wear a mask, and her arguments included ”it will only be useful if everyone wears it, so I won’t wear it unless forced”, which, ?????? Can’t really understand the logic. Her other argument was that her cosmetologist/beautician had speculated on possible skin issues, which, again, I really wonder if they could be worse than the effects of covid-19.
Whether the mask causes pimples or other skin issues won’t affect my decision to wear a mask, but I got genuinely curious.
Yeah - Now that I've transitioned to a full-time job, and I'm wearing the thing for 8 hours a day instead of 5 or 6, I'm getting some skin issues along my jaw-line where the mask ends. Cotton masks. I've switched styles of mask as well - the new job requires safety glasses, so I had to sew up a bunch of contoured masks, instead of the surgical style I had. I find I get less fog if I anchor the top edge of the mask under the nose piece of the glasses. Not being able to see is a bigger problem than a few zits on my chin. Nobody sees them, anyway, through the mask.6 -
So students are blaming the university? I'm pretty sure nobody in the administration twisted anyone's arm and forced them to go to parties.7 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »
I'm really sorry you're going through all of this. It has been hard. Harder for some than others.
I'm not going to minimize what you're going through. It's a difficult reality for many. Have you thought of maybe going for a walk or trying to find some socially distant activities? Isolation is very hard. Perhaps adopt a pet so you're not so lonely if you can afford to do that.
Thank you.
I actually have 2 cats who are pretty much what is keeping me sane. Having them around is a lifesaver and I am very grateful for them. However, they don't do much for the lack of interaction with others. Not great at keeping up a conversation lol.
I do have a table top role play game that will be starting soon on Zoom. We are just on hold atm because the game master is doing a play (digitally) so he has to finish that before we can start. Should be in just a couple more weeks though so I am looking forward to that. And I also plan to take up walking and hiking once it's not so hot out that I don't feel like I am in an oven.
I'm just tired of not being free to do what I want to do. When going to a different grocery store is the most exciting thing that happens to you, it gets a little boring. I also know that a lot of my mental health issues are also due to my physical health. My fatigue, digestive problems, sleep issues, migraines, and more can be explained by my *kitten* diet. I order in food way too much and feel like junk pretty much every single time after I eat. So I am focusing on trying to work on that. Not calorie counting or anything because my anxiety is too bad for it (I can get really bad OCD and anxiety issues with calorie counting as it is so no need to add to the current levels), but just trying to get back into a healthier mind set. More produce. Smaller portions. Learning to listen to my hunger and fullness cues. Keeping my food more simple (cooking and what I buy at the store). Less eating out. That sort of thing.
I talk a ton to my animals these days. I have 3 dogs and two cats and I'm sure my neighbors think I'm crazy if they would hear me having conversations with my dogs in the AM. But I have a borderline unhealthy affection for animals anyway, so screw the neighbors
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A question to those who have worn masks in public places for a longer time: do you get more skin irritation/flare-ups in your chin, nose or cheeks?
Quite the opposite, in fact. I have dry skin and lately I don't even need to use my daily face moisturizer.
I wear cotton masks, if that makes any difference.
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Better safe than sorry until we get an effective vaccine
Do you really think we will get an effective vaccine? There's never been a vaccine for a coronavirus before, viruses mutate all the time, and we can't even get a decent vaccine for the flu half the time (it seems like anyway). Not to mention there will be no long term studies to see what effects any vaccine will have long term....just seems like hoping for a vaccine is a pipe dream at best.
It just doesn't seem realistic - and honest question, will you be happy to live the rest of your life isolated from friends and family? Because that could happen if we don't come up with a vaccine. I mean we can hope for a vaccine that is long term proven both effective and safe but what will our mental health be if we avoid all people/activities for so long? Will you be willing to take one that hasn't had any long term studies on it? Isn't that risking health issues just as much as Covid?
Reality is that some countries are now into a second round of lockdowns and restrictions. Doesn't seem like we'll be back to "normal" any time soon.4 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »My cousin is taking more preventative measures than anyone I know. We call her CDC. She just related to us that we need to flush and run, especially in public places. It is the dreaded 'Rona mushroom cloud. Toilet plumes
lift 'Rona droplets out into the atmosphere to be inhaled. They say, Ol' CDC to turn your head after flushing and run like hail. Just what we need. More multi-cr@p to worry about.
Until I joined MFP, I never thought of the dangers of flushing. Even before COVID19 someone argued you should always close the lid and then flush!!5 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »My cousin is taking more preventative measures than anyone I know. We call her CDC. She just related to us that we need to flush and run, especially in public places. It is the dreaded 'Rona mushroom cloud. Toilet plumes
lift 'Rona droplets out into the atmosphere to be inhaled. They say, Ol' CDC to turn your head after flushing and run like hail. Just what we need. More multi-cr@p to worry about.
Until I joined MFP, I never thought of the dangers of flushing. Even before COVID19 someone argued you should always close the lid and then flush!!
I've closed the lid first ever since learning how many feet the droplets can travel from flushing. Ewww
Using a public toilet now? Absolutely not.2 -
I am a manager in retail pharmacy. We wear masks for our entire 8 hour shift. Our own choice if material or disposable. Disposable irritates me more while on but washable cloth ones are easier while wearing but my face itches all night after I get home and take it off. I washed one once and used Downey fabric softener, big mistake.6
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A question to those who have worn masks in public places for a longer time: do you get more skin irritation/flare-ups in your chin, nose or cheeks?
We got a mask advisory for public transportation on Thursday, and today a newspaper did interviews of people in the train. There was a woman who didn’t wear a mask, and her arguments included ”it will only be useful if everyone wears it, so I won’t wear it unless forced”, which, ?????? Can’t really understand the logic. Her other argument was that her cosmetologist/beautician had speculated on possible skin issues, which, again, I really wonder if they could be worse than the effects of covid-19.
Whether the mask causes pimples or other skin issues won’t affect my decision to wear a mask, but I got genuinely curious.
Yes, I have had a really bad rash on my face from wearing them all the time. I have sensitive skin and nothing I've done has helped, but it won't stop me from wearing them. It gets really bad when I have to wear them 10-13h a day on long shifts. Cloth masks are a little better, but we aren't allowed to wear those at work (I work in healthcare).
I live in NY and gyms are FINALLY set to open this coming Monday.Regarding holiday plans, I'm open to the possibility that there will be much better testing -- readily available, quick results, more accurate. I'm optimistic that at some point, if not by the holidays, people can take a test before deciding to visit grandma.
Our two college kids will live at home Thanksgiving-January, and we've asked them to test before they come back home. We had a lot of pointless quarantining -- 8 weeks total -- because tests were not available and results took >2 weeks. Each time a kid came home, we stayed in 2 weeks. Then one had indoor exposure (dinner) to someone who tested positive (step brother). Looking back, it seems like so much wasted effort because of inadequate testing. A cheap saliva self-test could make the holidays a lot merrier and safer for all.
ETA: https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/saliva-tests-how-they-work-and-what-they-bring-to-covid-19-67720
https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/15/fda-clears-saliva-test-for-covid-19-opening-door-to-wider-testing/
In the hospital we have rapid COVID testing with results in <30 minutes, so I hope it becomes more available to the general public.6 -
Diet tip: Read flushing toilet cautionary tales before meals. 13
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »
So students are blaming the university? I'm pretty sure nobody in the administration twisted anyone's arm and forced them to go to parties.
I'm sure not every student went to a party, but that's what the universities would like you to believe...that they took every safety precaution, but the students screwed it up on their own. The university knew exactly what would happen, but opened the campus anyway. It just so happens, by coincidence, that yesterday was the day the tuition bills were due at UNC, so they waited until then to close the campus. Revenue comes above student safety. Now, they are sending all these infected kids back to their families.11 -
Speaking of schools reopening, there’s a photo of yesterday’s first day of high school classes in the local paper, and the students are.... watching a video. The local school system has a hybrid system with two days in class, three days home, to allow social distancing because they don’t have room for all the students. And they use those precious two days of on-site teaching to WATCH A VIDEO? Can’t they watch a video at home, and I dunno, actually get instruction from a teacher at school?
Also, I read an interview with an epidemiologist in the Boston Globe about hybrid schooling, and he believes it’s insane. Doesn’t reduce risk at all and even increases it by forcing students to have two or three different social networks, since most must go to daycare for some of the time “home.”
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I went to the Salvation Army this a.m. and good change from last time is everyone is wearing masks now, Thank You Gov. Scott!! I load up my arms with books and puzzles, get to the counter, set them down, and the clerk starts coughing, hacking and sneezing. Oy I told her to keep the change, hoping to keep contact to a minimum but she said she was required to give me the receipt.
I'm sure it was just a cold.
I hope.11 -
I went to the Salvation Army this a.m. and good change from last time is everyone is wearing masks now, Thank You Gov. Scott!! I load up my arms with books and puzzles, get to the counter, set them down, and the clerk starts coughing, hacking and sneezing. Oy I told her to keep the change, hoping to keep contact to a minimum but she said she was required to give me the receipt. I'm sure it was just a cold.
I hope.
Not to be a Karen, but I would suggest reporting her. Locally we have a hotline for just that. She should not be at work while symptomatic with anything, colds included, and her boss or manager needs a good slap.11 -
We were supposed to go to a hybrid model for school here in NM after Labor Day weekend...sounds like that isn't going to happen and we'll be doing online until at least January.
Today is the first day of school and thankfully things are much more organized than during the spring, so I think this should work fairly well.7 -
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SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »
So students are blaming the university? I'm pretty sure nobody in the administration twisted anyone's arm and forced them to go to parties.
I'm sure not every student went to a party, but that's what the universities would like you to believe...that they took every safety precaution, but the students screwed it up on their own. The university knew exactly what would happen, but opened the campus anyway. It just so happens, by coincidence, that yesterday was the day the tuition bills were due at UNC, so they waited until then to close the campus. Revenue comes above student safety. Now, they are sending all these infected kids back to their families.
I dont know anything about the UNC system, so I can't speak to that specifically. (But I did work in another large state university for 30 years, much of it in administration.)
I'm sure that they and all universities are making truly grievous mistakes in their precautions and other aspects of decision making, because all organizations (and individuals) are doing that, given the speed of this happening, and the lack of experience/knowledge about how to handle anything similar - even if they're trying to do right, as I expect most are.
In particular contexts, politics will have been a significant factor, and not universally a helpful one. (Even in my state, where state universities are insulated somewhat from state government, politics is a huge factor.)
But did you click through, and read the letter the student chair of the UNC student organization wrote to the 'Carolina Community'? It includes this passage:The partying, large social gatherings, and social life will be waiting on you after this pandemic is under control, but until then you must realize that we are just as responsible as our administration for the welfare of our community.
. . . among other passages that appear to recognize, in a context of condemning the university administration as well, that the student population has probably not been exactly pure, in this set of circumstances.
Even just on that basis, it appears to be more complicated than either "badly behaved students" or "cynical and incompetent administration", which would be unsurprising.
Yes, the university should know the population they're dealing with. They will nonetheless possibly feel some obligation to resume instructing them in instructionally optimal ways as soon as practical, despite that being in tension with contagion risk. (They frequently balance public health risk and instructional goals IME, amongst lesser but still serious challenges, such as campus level outbreaks of serious contagious diseases, literal riots, culture of binge drinking (and its complications, like sexual assault). . . .).
These are complicated situations, plenty of blame to go around. It's easy to seize on "stupid kids" or "cynical administrations" based on headlines and our own biases. Inevitably, it's more nuanced than that.5 -
Are you kidding me? I got flagged for trying to make someone chuckle??
Someone's a ******.10
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