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My niece brought her kids up to see my mother. Inside, none of them wearing masks; now I have to isolate from my parents for two weeks. I was furious.
If anyone has Kindle Unlimited they can read my book for free. It's an apocalyptic romance: Something Begins. No pandemic. I've been avoiding anything in the apocalyptic genre myself. Somehow, I don't find them enjoyable when living through one.
Yes, I'm over the apocalypses caused by pandemics but am always up for good SF.
I don't have Kindle Unlimited but I should still be able to find your book on Amazon, yes? But I didn't. You're probably not allowed to post the link here yourself, but would you Friend me and send me the link?1 -
kshama2001 wrote: »My niece brought her kids up to see my mother. Inside, none of them wearing masks; now I have to isolate from my parents for two weeks. I was furious.
If anyone has Kindle Unlimited they can read my book for free. It's an apocalyptic romance: Something Begins. No pandemic. I've been avoiding anything in the apocalyptic genre myself. Somehow, I don't find them enjoyable when living through one.
Yes, I'm over the apocalypses caused by pandemics but am always up for good SF.
I don't have Kindle Unlimited but I should still be able to find your book on Amazon, yes? But I didn't. You're probably not allowed to post the link here yourself, but would you Friend me and send me the link?
Funny, I had to sign out of amazon and search again to see it wasn't showing up. If you search the title under kindle romances it's on the second page. Don't buy the paperback - too expensive.1 -
baconslave wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Things are getting crazy locally with Monday being first day of on campus classes. This week was party time since the campus March closure.
Left KY this morning and drove straight south nearly to the AL border to pickup a cultipacker. I did not see any face mask usage and was told it was business as usual in West TN which seemed factual based on the 5.5 hours we were in the state.
I expect the pandemic being fake news mindset will be changing for many soon. I'm not sure we'll ever recover from this mental health crises that seems to be world wide.
Yup. That sounds about right. It's like that in the Eastern part, too.
Schools started here Monday on a hybrid schedule despite being in the Red category still: masks required in the city schools, only suggested but not required for all the county schools. I haven't asked my teacher friend how that's looking. She works in the city schools. I'm forgotten here in the corner. None of my "friends" have time for me. They are out living their lives and having a fine, busy ol' time. I wouldn't know what anywhere else looks like at this particular moment besides Kroger. That's the only place we go besides one other grocery outlet place. No, scratch that: hubby know what it looks like. I'm always at home unless it's a doc appt. Walmart was a joke when we were forced to go there to get an order for something we needed the same day. Hubby went in and was the only customer wearing a mask and people were not keeping their distance. Kroger has masking about 85-90% during the times he goes (morning). The other grocery place almost no wearing and if an employee has one, it's hanging around their neck. We don't go anywhere else. Exposure risk is just too great. We pay more to order online at Target or Amazon. I'm not ordering from Walmart again unless it's a home delivery. A couple weeks ago, hubby had gone to the grocery stores and got takeout. Between those 3 places, he brought a grocery item or food home that was germed. One of my kids got very sick and spent a week on the couch with fever, severe fatigue, lack of appetite, and no other symptoms. Wasn't COVID, but was definitely a virus according to the pediatrician. Doc wanted my daughter tested, and it was negative, even though I told her we never see any human besides my elderly Dad next door. He's practically a hermit anyway besides shopping at Kroger and Walmart during senior hours. The kid's finally back to normal. Can't wait to see the bills from the test and bloodwork. We had to cancel our camping trip that week. We lost money on it.
Meanwhile the kids are doing their homeschool work here at home. My college freshman's classes are all online now. Only lab or experience-based classes are going to be in-person on campus. We have to venture on campus though this week to pick up her books. At least they require masks.
I live in west TN and nobody here is taking it seriously.
As to classes - my WFR certification expires in a few days and I haven't been able to find a class to re-certify yet. However, I was able to re-certify the BLS (it's required for all professional medical certifications, including my WFR). I did it as a hybrid class: online learning, tests + in-person skills assessment. The in-person was modified for Covid because a big part of the point of BLS is team CPR. Obviously we can't team up on a single CPR mannequin because there is too much risk involved. So they just assessed our individual skills. Anyway, at least I won't have to worry about that whenever I am able to re-certify the WFR (hopefully within another month or 2, but I'm not holding my breath).3 -
The novelty of a novel virus has worn off... not a good thing when it is long lasting, not quick burning.kshama2001 wrote: »Anybody else here notice their house/yard gradually getting more unkempt during this pandemic? It's the opposite of what I would expect. I'm already a stay at home person. I figured with extra time from curtailed outside activities, I'd get more done at home - DIYs, deep cleaning, major yardwork. That's not what's happening, though. I'm actually doing less than before. Letting stuff go. Just recently started realizing it. Better formulate a plan to fix this before it becomes habit!
Is it just me, or is this a thing?
Yes, same here. I never got the extra yardwork done as expected. Work from home became more like work a lot more and have less time for myself.JustSomeEm wrote: »Yeah, totally get this. I had to set hard limits for myself with times/behaviors with regard to work and home life when I was doing most of my working from home. And even now with those hard limits, on work from home days extra work time has a tendency to creep into my 'home time'.
I'd been working remotely since 2011 and learned to balance the unscheduled (but fairly regular) late night working with things like longer lunches and garden breaks.
I did notice that when the lockdown started my coworkers new to WFH were working later than usual. Two of them especially who use to always hit the door right at 6 PM became more available.
I agree, I actually schedule my WFH days this way on purpose now. Rather than force myself to buckle down and work when my head or focus just aren't in it, I'll take time to do something else and then simply work a little later to make up the time and get my work done. I'll even sometimes log back on after dinner and finish a task I neglected if I get a second wind.
Despite everyone I've ever worked with insisting it's not possible, I am way more productive later in the day, a true night owl. So WFH has allowed me to lean into that and do the bare minimum required in the morning, then utilizing more productive hours later in the day more efficiently. Whenever we get out of this mess, I'll be asking to WFH at least a couple of days a week permanently!
On a less positive note, I am getting more and more pushback from my parents and brothers family to "stop living in fear". My mom and SIL are focused on disinfecting everything constantly, but are totally fine with all of us gathering for indoor family meals for hours, and intend to continue to do so after school starts. I tell them we need to be protecting my parents by avoiding all gathering together, indoors specifically, but they blow it off.
I'm already dreading having to be the family party pooper come the holidays. It is even harder to imagine missing Thanksgiving and Christmas knowing my family will be gathering anyway. It would be so much easier if everyone was on board with having a different, safer holiday plan this year.
I have NO idea what the holidays will hold this year. Not looking forward to having to make those decisions. We are the only ones in my husband’s family that don’t live on the same road (we moved 6 hours away 3 years ago). I think WE are OK not going, but it will be a HUGE deal to everyone else.
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"On a less positive note, I am getting more and more pushback from my parents and brothers family to "stop living in fear". My mom and SIL are focused on disinfecting everything constantly, but are totally fine with all of us gathering for indoor family meals for hours, and intend to continue to do so after school starts. I tell them we need to be protecting my parents by avoiding all gathering together, indoors specifically, but they blow it off.
I'm already dreading having to be the family party pooper come the holidays. It is even harder to imagine missing Thanksgiving and Christmas knowing my family will be gathering anyway. It would be so much easier if everyone was on board with having a different, safer holiday plan this year.[/quote]"
@kimny72
Sorry that you find yourself in that situation. I know that the holidays will be tough for my husband and me as well, but we already talked about it and decided that we are not going anywhere or allow people in our house to celebrate the holidays either. Since our kids and their families don't live near by, and getting together involves traveling either by car or plane, it makes the decision easier to handle.
Parents are working (two are school teachers, one of my son WFH, and the other one is a first responder), two grandchildren are in middle school and two in college. Everybody is busy and in contact with people, while my husband and I are up in age and hubby has some mild underlying conditions that could exacerbate his health in case of infection. Nobody is willing to take a risk.
I am also thinking that this year I will send money and/or gift cards so they can buy themselves what they need. I don't want to go shopping to any store; although I may order something on line and have it shipped to their addresses.
I hope that your family understands the reality of what we are still experiencing. Better safe than sorry until we get an effective vaccine, but I am sure that many people will find themselves in a similar situation in November and December. Good luck to all of us!
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University is definitely not some elite thing above college here (US). Mainly, college is an undergrad only school (some of which are among the hardest to get into, and the benefit is you get taught by professors, not grad students, and they are evaluated on teaching as well as publications), and university is a school that has undergrad and grad students, some of which are very competitive (Yale, Stanford), but still might have more grad school teaching and bigger classes than some of the best colleges, and some of which are less hard to get into but still good (my state school, U of IL), and some of which are awful (same with some colleges) and a waste of money. Minimal research should show any reasonably intelligent person which is which. There's no clear division in quality between schools known as colleges and those known as universities.
Yes. The American distinction between school, college, and university is a bit strange compared to other parts of the world.2 -
SummerSkier wrote: »My friend a science fiction writer wrote this to honor her sister in law who passed away last month from Covid. It's chilling.
http://www.elizabethmoon.com/site/Bring.Out.Your.Dead.html
I dunno. Might have seemed chilling to me if what is going IRL weren't going on. In the midst of this, it seems anticlimactic.1 -
Better safe than sorry until we get an effective vaccine
Do you really think we will get an effective vaccine? There's never been a vaccine for a coronavirus before, viruses mutate all the time, and we can't even get a decent vaccine for the flu half the time (it seems like anyway). Not to mention there will be no long term studies to see what effects any vaccine will have long term....just seems like hoping for a vaccine is a pipe dream at best
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It just doesn't seem realistic - and honest question, will you be happy to live the rest of your life isolated from friends and family? Because that could happen if we don't come up with a vaccine. I mean we can hope for a vaccine that is long term proven both effective and safe but what will our mental health be if we avoid all people/activities for so long? Will you be willing to take one that hasn't had any long term studies on it? Isn't that risking health issues just as much as Covid?2 -
Better safe than sorry until we get an effective vaccine
Do you really think we will get an effective vaccine? There's never been a vaccine for a coronavirus before, viruses mutate all the time, and we can't even get a decent vaccine for the flu half the time (it seems like anyway). Not to mention there will be no long term studies to see what effects any vaccine will have long term....just seems like hoping for a vaccine is a pipe dream at best.
It just doesn't seem realistic - and honest question, will you be happy to live the rest of your life isolated from friends and family? Because that could happen if we don't come up with a vaccine. I mean we can hope for a vaccine that is long term proven both effective and safe but what will our mental health be if we avoid all people/activities for so long? Will you be willing to take one that hasn't had any long term studies on it? Isn't that risking health issues just as much as Covid?
The flu vaccine is actually very effective, the problem is there are many versions of the flu and they don't always predict the correct ones. Even so, if everyone who could get the vaccine every year did get it, we would have a better chance on any given year of at least approaching herd immunity and greatly reducing flu transmission.
One of the primary reasons there are no coronavirus vaccines is that the common coronaviruses are not dangerous and the dangerous ones are not common. It's simply not budget conscious. C19 is I think the first coronavirus to warrant the time and resources to develop and produce a vaccine.
My understanding from researchers I follow on social media is the two major vaccines being tested in the US are being built with ingredients already being used in other vaccines. Assuming phase 3 of either trial shows efficacy, I will be in line for a jab as soon as I'm allowed. As more data comes out, it sounds like a measurable percentage of people end up with long term side effects like chronic fatigue, heart inflammation, circulatory issues, even those who had a mild illness. Could be as high as 40%. Serious stuff.
It is quite possible that at least in the beginning, continuing boosters will be required to maintain some level of immunity.
Having said that, of course there's no guarantee. If there is no vaccine, efforts will have to switch to increasingly efficient testing and treatment to avoid the millions of deaths seen in 1918. I'll worry about that bridge if we get there, which hopefully we won't. But I'm not going to throw caution to the wind now because I might have to throw caution to the wind later. We don't know enough yet to give up IMHO.19 -
@kushiel1
I will take one day at the time. Too soon yet to determine what the outcome of a vaccine or the pandemic will be. For the time being, I stay at home with my husband as much as possible. I don't want my kids to have to worry about us; they have enough taking care of their families.
With respect to my mental health... everybody knows that I am nuts, so they probably wouldn't notice the difference
Edited to add that kimie already said what I was thinking in posting, so no need to repeat it because she did a good job. I am a biologist and I follow the science, but under the present circumstance I prefer not to start elaborating more than is needed.
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@kushiel1
I will take one day at the time. Too soon yet to determine what the outcome of a vaccine or the pandemic will be. For the time being, I stay at home with my husband as much as possible. I don't want my kids to have to worry about us; they have enough taking care of their families.
With respect to my mental health... everybody knows that I am nuts, so they probably wouldn't notice the difference
Edited to add that kimie already said what I was thinking in posting, so no need to repeat it because she did a good job. I am a biologist and I follow the science, but under the present circumstance I prefer not to start elaborating more than is needed.
I'm glad to hear someone who has some scientific background sign off on what I've gleaned myself! I try to vet the folks I follow online, but you never know.7 -
WFH... I keep the same hours I did in the office. 7:30 to 3:30 most days (Monday I do 7 to 3) unless there is a late meeting or something odd happening, which is rare. I do this because (a) that is what hours I need to be available for my job and (b) I don't want work to bleed into my ME time. I need that balance due to my anxiety, depression, and physical health. So when it is time to log off, I log off and get away from my work computer.
I am just so done with things. My health is in the toilet because of all of this. The stress. The anxiety. The isolation. I seem to have no drive and no will power any more. My support system is no where near what it was. No in person contact, especially with work, has really gotten to me.19 -
WFH... I keep the same hours I did in the office. 7:30 to 3:30 most days (Monday I do 7 to 3) unless there is a late meeting or something odd happening, which is rare. I do this because (a) that is what hours I need to be available for my job and (b) I don't want work to bleed into my ME time. I need that balance due to my anxiety, depression, and physical health. So when it is time to log off, I log off and get away from my work computer.
I am just so done with things. My health is in the toilet because of all of this. The stress. The anxiety. The isolation. I seem to have no drive and no will power any more. My support system is no where near what it was. No in person contact, especially with work, has really gotten to me.
I'm really sorry you're going through all of this. It has been hard. Harder for some than others.
I'm not going to minimize what you're going through. It's a difficult reality for many. Have you thought of maybe going for a walk or trying to find some socially distant activities? Isolation is very hard. Perhaps adopt a pet so you're not so lonely if you can afford to do that.8 -
SummerSkier wrote: »My friend a science fiction writer wrote this to honor her sister in law who passed away last month from Covid. It's chilling.
http://www.elizabethmoon.com/site/Bring.Out.Your.Dead.html
Chilling indeed. I haven't come across her stuff in a while, but then I don't get to read as much as I used to. She's great.
So sorry for her loss.
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Crazy how much regulations are changing week to week. Medical procedure this week, as of a couple weeks ago I was supposed to have a CV test 72 hours prior. Never got a call so I called them, evidently now they aren’t requiring them anymore. Not sad about that!1
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Better safe than sorry until we get an effective vaccine
Do you really think we will get an effective vaccine? There's never been a vaccine for a coronavirus before, viruses mutate all the time, and we can't even get a decent vaccine for the flu half the time (it seems like anyway). Not to mention there will be no long term studies to see what effects any vaccine will have long term....just seems like hoping for a vaccine is a pipe dream at best.
It just doesn't seem realistic - and honest question, will you be happy to live the rest of your life isolated from friends and family? Because that could happen if we don't come up with a vaccine. I mean we can hope for a vaccine that is long term proven both effective and safe but what will our mental health be if we avoid all people/activities for so long? Will you be willing to take one that hasn't had any long term studies on it? Isn't that risking health issues just as much as Covid?
The flu vaccine is actually very effective, the problem is there are many versions of the flu and they don't always predict the correct ones. Even so, if everyone who could get the vaccine every year did get it, we would have a better chance on any given year of at least approaching herd immunity and greatly reducing flu transmission.
One of the primary reasons there are no coronavirus vaccines is that the common coronaviruses are not dangerous and the dangerous ones are not common. It's simply not budget conscious. C19 is I think the first coronavirus to warrant the time and resources to develop and produce a vaccine.
My understanding from researchers I follow on social media is the two major vaccines being tested in the US are being built with ingredients already being used in other vaccines. Assuming phase 3 of either trial shows efficacy, I will be in line for a jab as soon as I'm allowed. As more data comes out, it sounds like a measurable percentage of people end up with long term side effects like chronic fatigue, heart inflammation, circulatory issues, even those who had a mild illness. Could be as high as 40%. Serious stuff.
It is quite possible that at least in the beginning, continuing boosters will be required to maintain some level of immunity.
Having said that, of course there's no guarantee. If there is no vaccine, efforts will have to switch to increasingly efficient testing and treatment to avoid the millions of deaths seen in 1918. I'll worry about that bridge if we get there, which hopefully we won't. But I'm not going to throw caution to the wind now because I might have to throw caution to the wind later. We don't know enough yet to give up IMHO.
While I respect your decision to get in line for a jab, I am curious as to why you do not find this to be a deterrent "As more data comes out, it sounds like a measurable percentage of people end up with long term side effects like chronic fatigue, heart inflammation, circulatory issues, even those who had a mild illness. Could be as high as 40%."2 -
kshama2001 wrote: »My niece brought her kids up to see my mother. Inside, none of them wearing masks; now I have to isolate from my parents for two weeks. I was furious.
If anyone has Kindle Unlimited they can read my book for free. It's an apocalyptic romance: Something Begins. No pandemic. I've been avoiding anything in the apocalyptic genre myself. Somehow, I don't find them enjoyable when living through one.
Yes, I'm over the apocalypses caused by pandemics but am always up for good SF.
I don't have Kindle Unlimited but I should still be able to find your book on Amazon, yes? But I didn't. You're probably not allowed to post the link here yourself, but would you Friend me and send me the link?
Funny, I had to sign out of amazon and search again to see it wasn't showing up. If you search the title under kindle romances it's on the second page. Don't buy the paperback - too expensive.
Found it! I had to sign out too, and add a bunch of filters, so am going to give the link:
https://www.amazon.com/Something-Begins-J-D-Burk-ebook/dp/B01KVY0U4U/2 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Anybody else here notice their house/yard gradually getting more unkempt during this pandemic? It's the opposite of what I would expect. I'm already a stay at home person. I figured with extra time from curtailed outside activities, I'd get more done at home - DIYs, deep cleaning, major yardwork. That's not what's happening, though. I'm actually doing less than before. Letting stuff go. Just recently started realizing it. Better formulate a plan to fix this before it becomes habit!
Is it just me, or is this a thing?
Yes, same here. I never got the extra yardwork done as expected. Work from home became more like work a lot more and have less time for myself.JustSomeEm wrote: »Yeah, totally get this. I had to set hard limits for myself with times/behaviors with regard to work and home life when I was doing most of my working from home. And even now with those hard limits, on work from home days extra work time has a tendency to creep into my 'home time'.
I'd been working remotely since 2011 and learned to balance the unscheduled (but fairly regular) late night working with things like longer lunches and garden breaks.
I did notice that when the lockdown started my coworkers new to WFH were working later than usual. Two of them especially who use to always hit the door right at 6 PM became more available.
I agree, I actually schedule my WFH days this way on purpose now. Rather than force myself to buckle down and work when my head or focus just aren't in it, I'll take time to do something else and then simply work a little later to make up the time and get my work done. I'll even sometimes log back on after dinner and finish a task I neglected if I get a second wind.
Despite everyone I've ever worked with insisting it's not possible, I am way more productive later in the day, a true night owl. So WFH has allowed me to lean into that and do the bare minimum required in the morning, then utilizing more productive hours later in the day more efficiently. Whenever we get out of this mess, I'll be asking to WFH at least a couple of days a week permanently!
On a less positive note, I am getting more and more pushback from my parents and brothers family to "stop living in fear". My mom and SIL are focused on disinfecting everything constantly, but are totally fine with all of us gathering for indoor family meals for hours, and intend to continue to do so after school starts. I tell them we need to be protecting my parents by avoiding all gathering together, indoors specifically, but they blow it off.
I'm already dreading having to be the family party pooper come the holidays. It is even harder to imagine missing Thanksgiving and Christmas knowing my family will be gathering anyway. It would be so much easier if everyone was on board with having a different, safer holiday plan this year.
I've already been dealing with this from my outlaw inlaws. All they have to do is be carefully circumspect for 2 weeks before the holiday so we can safely see them. They won't do it. They care more about their freedoms to go out to eat and shop and do whatever they want without inconvenience than they do about their grandchildren. So this is the world I live in right now. Thanksgiving and Christmas will be lonely for us. That's ok. We'll make it special for them anyway.
I won't lie and say it doesn't make me resentful that we are the only people in our whole big family who are making the effort to drag this county along via mitigation efforts. We have completely curtailed our lives to protect my father. That's a huge ask for my children, two of which are teens, but I'm so proud of how they've risen to the task with only minimal complaint. They recognize that these measures are NECESSARY. It's sad that my children understand this better than many adults. It's also a huge ask for my husband; he can't stand my Dad (understandably, Dad can be a real piece of work at times
) but hubby keeps his feelings to himself and has facilitated Dad's protection at every turn. That's class. I'm so thankful.
So yeah, the holidays are going to be hard. Sorry, you are in this predicament as well, @kimny72 13 -
kshama2001 wrote: »
Better safe than sorry until we get an effective vaccine
Do you really think we will get an effective vaccine? There's never been a vaccine for a coronavirus before, viruses mutate all the time, and we can't even get a decent vaccine for the flu half the time (it seems like anyway). Not to mention there will be no long term studies to see what effects any vaccine will have long term....just seems like hoping for a vaccine is a pipe dream at best.
It just doesn't seem realistic - and honest question, will you be happy to live the rest of your life isolated from friends and family? Because that could happen if we don't come up with a vaccine. I mean we can hope for a vaccine that is long term proven both effective and safe but what will our mental health be if we avoid all people/activities for so long? Will you be willing to take one that hasn't had any long term studies on it? Isn't that risking health issues just as much as Covid?
The flu vaccine is actually very effective, the problem is there are many versions of the flu and they don't always predict the correct ones. Even so, if everyone who could get the vaccine every year did get it, we would have a better chance on any given year of at least approaching herd immunity and greatly reducing flu transmission.
One of the primary reasons there are no coronavirus vaccines is that the common coronaviruses are not dangerous and the dangerous ones are not common. It's simply not budget conscious. C19 is I think the first coronavirus to warrant the time and resources to develop and produce a vaccine.
My understanding from researchers I follow on social media is the two major vaccines being tested in the US are being built with ingredients already being used in other vaccines. Assuming phase 3 of either trial shows efficacy, I will be in line for a jab as soon as I'm allowed. As more data comes out, it sounds like a measurable percentage of people end up with long term side effects like chronic fatigue, heart inflammation, circulatory issues, even those who had a mild illness. Could be as high as 40%. Serious stuff.
It is quite possible that at least in the beginning, continuing boosters will be required to maintain some level of immunity.
Having said that, of course there's no guarantee. If there is no vaccine, efforts will have to switch to increasingly efficient testing and treatment to avoid the millions of deaths seen in 1918. I'll worry about that bridge if we get there, which hopefully we won't. But I'm not going to throw caution to the wind now because I might have to throw caution to the wind later. We don't know enough yet to give up IMHO.
While I respect your decision to get in line for a jab, I am curious as to why you do not find this to be a deterrent "As more data comes out, it sounds like a measurable percentage of people end up with long term side effects like chronic fatigue, heart inflammation, circulatory issues, even those who had a mild illness. Could be as high as 40%."
I took it to mean that she was listing the risks associated with getting the virus. So in light of the likelihood of experiencing those long term after-effects, she is really seriously considering getting the vaccine right away. That's how I read it anyway.18 -
baconslave wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »
Better safe than sorry until we get an effective vaccine
Do you really think we will get an effective vaccine? There's never been a vaccine for a coronavirus before, viruses mutate all the time, and we can't even get a decent vaccine for the flu half the time (it seems like anyway). Not to mention there will be no long term studies to see what effects any vaccine will have long term....just seems like hoping for a vaccine is a pipe dream at best.
It just doesn't seem realistic - and honest question, will you be happy to live the rest of your life isolated from friends and family? Because that could happen if we don't come up with a vaccine. I mean we can hope for a vaccine that is long term proven both effective and safe but what will our mental health be if we avoid all people/activities for so long? Will you be willing to take one that hasn't had any long term studies on it? Isn't that risking health issues just as much as Covid?
The flu vaccine is actually very effective, the problem is there are many versions of the flu and they don't always predict the correct ones. Even so, if everyone who could get the vaccine every year did get it, we would have a better chance on any given year of at least approaching herd immunity and greatly reducing flu transmission.
One of the primary reasons there are no coronavirus vaccines is that the common coronaviruses are not dangerous and the dangerous ones are not common. It's simply not budget conscious. C19 is I think the first coronavirus to warrant the time and resources to develop and produce a vaccine.
My understanding from researchers I follow on social media is the two major vaccines being tested in the US are being built with ingredients already being used in other vaccines. Assuming phase 3 of either trial shows efficacy, I will be in line for a jab as soon as I'm allowed. As more data comes out, it sounds like a measurable percentage of people end up with long term side effects like chronic fatigue, heart inflammation, circulatory issues, even those who had a mild illness. Could be as high as 40%. Serious stuff.
It is quite possible that at least in the beginning, continuing boosters will be required to maintain some level of immunity.
Having said that, of course there's no guarantee. If there is no vaccine, efforts will have to switch to increasingly efficient testing and treatment to avoid the millions of deaths seen in 1918. I'll worry about that bridge if we get there, which hopefully we won't. But I'm not going to throw caution to the wind now because I might have to throw caution to the wind later. We don't know enough yet to give up IMHO.
While I respect your decision to get in line for a jab, I am curious as to why you do not find this to be a deterrent "As more data comes out, it sounds like a measurable percentage of people end up with long term side effects like chronic fatigue, heart inflammation, circulatory issues, even those who had a mild illness. Could be as high as 40%."
I took it to mean that she was listing the risks associated with getting the virus. So in light of the likelihood of experiencing those long term after-effects, she is really seriously considering getting the vaccine right away. That's how I read it anyway.
Yes, this. Sorry if that wasn't clear, it looks like I was typing as the thoughts popped into my head lol. The long lasting effects are from covid-19, the jab would hopefully help to spare me from them!10 -
https://labblog.uofmhealth.org/rounds/top-5-covid-19-vaccine-candidates-explained
Here is one recent summary.
I do not have the link in hand but one from a Chinese firm was hoping for theirs to protect 60% of the people jabed and last for 6 months. Sound like the odds for regular flu shots perhaps and long term side effects will become known it the following years.
From what I read it sounds like Bill Gates supported labs are making progress.2 -
Regarding holiday plans, I'm open to the possibility that there will be much better testing -- readily available, quick results, more accurate. I'm optimistic that at some point, if not by the holidays, people can take a test before deciding to visit grandma.
Our two college kids will live at home Thanksgiving-January, and we've asked them to test before they come back home. We had a lot of pointless quarantining -- 8 weeks total -- because tests were not available and results took >2 weeks. Each time a kid came home, we stayed in 2 weeks. Then one had indoor exposure (dinner) to someone who tested positive (step brother). Looking back, it seems like so much wasted effort because of inadequate testing. A cheap saliva self-test could make the holidays a lot merrier and safer for all.
ETA: https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/saliva-tests-how-they-work-and-what-they-bring-to-covid-19-67720
https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/15/fda-clears-saliva-test-for-covid-19-opening-door-to-wider-testing/3 -
Regarding holiday plans, I'm open to the possibility that there will be much better testing -- readily available, quick results, more accurate. I'm optimistic that at some point, if not by the holidays, people can take a test before deciding to visit grandma.
Our two college kids will live at home Thanksgiving-January, and we've asked them to test before they come back home. We had a lot of pointless quarantining -- 8 weeks total -- because tests were not available and results took >2 weeks. Each time a kid came home, we stayed in 2 weeks. Then one had indoor exposure (dinner) to someone who tested positive (step brother). Looking back, it seems like so much wasted effort because of inadequate testing. A cheap saliva self-test could make the holidays a lot merrier and safer for all.
I really hope you're right. My family had a party at my parents' house this weekend to celebrate all the missed birthdays and other events. 10 people, outside, seated at least 6 feet apart, and masks when we had to go into the house or get close to each other. All I was thinking was...this is NOT going to work for Thanksgiving or Christmas (at least not in our climate).5 -
We went out (again) on Saturday night to eat. One of our regular patio places, because there's not a lot of choices in Tucson that are open in the heat in the Summer outside -- most are taking their chances inside -- I won't. We got there on Saturday and they informed us that they were "closed due to the heat for outside dining". Understandable, it was 106!
My wife had a bit of an emotional breakdown -- we've been seeing friends just eat inside and risk it and I'm not willing to do that. Let's face it, AZ is only three weeks away from being the highest per capita place on the planet.
After we left and got in the car (wife was not happy), I did a quick search and found a place that was open, but 45 minutes away on the other side of town. It wasn't fancy at all -- my wife later joked she expected a horse to pull up and be tied up. Turned out, it wasn't fancy but had seven types of hard cider (I'm celiac and that's a bid deal!) and my wife had the "best ribs in Tucson" that actually were some of the best ribs I've ever had. She let me try exactly one. And they made their ranch beans from scratch as well. Patio had misters and it ended up really pleasant and the long drive didn't seem bad because we're stuck at home all week.
One nice thing about all of this is all the exploring we've done to find outdoor seating for safe options to eat. Our friends that are just going to the same indoor places can't say the same. The wife has already mentioned when we'll go back to this new place. I have to keep reminding her (I'm a pretty simple guy, doesn't take much to make me happy) that these are first world problems and we're fortunate. She's been a bit down. The emotional toll it does take is real, not having as large of a social network or interactions. I truly feel for those that are struggling with mortgage, food or rent on top (or medical bills now).
Oh, and we had nearly one inch hail last night! My wife's pics ended up on the local news station. 105 and it hailed so bad it looked like snow on the ground. Never a dull moment in Tucson!11 -
My cousin is taking more preventative measures than anyone I know. We call her CDC. She just related to us that we need to flush and run, especially in public places. It is the dreaded 'Rona mushroom cloud. Toilet plumes
lift 'Rona droplets out into the atmosphere to be inhaled. They say, Ol' CDC to turn your head after flushing and run like hail. Just what we need. More multi-cr@p to worry about.
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I am back to WFH for a number of reasons, including that my husband is currently in a very high risk group and will be for months. I am limiting my exposure as much as possible so I don't bring anything home to him.
BUT some family members are already saying "but we can still do Thanksgiving, right?" As much as I hate to tell them no, it's currently a necessity and they are going to have to respect that. Most understand, a few want to argue with me and one said "but he's not going to die from the flu!" I am too stressed and tired to deal with that level of ignorance.
I am grateful to everyone who wears masks and observes social distancing guidelines when needed.21 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Regarding holiday plans, I'm open to the possibility that there will be much better testing -- readily available, quick results, more accurate. I'm optimistic that at some point, if not by the holidays, people can take a test before deciding to visit grandma.
Our two college kids will live at home Thanksgiving-January, and we've asked them to test before they come back home. We had a lot of pointless quarantining -- 8 weeks total -- because tests were not available and results took >2 weeks. Each time a kid came home, we stayed in 2 weeks. Then one had indoor exposure (dinner) to someone who tested positive (step brother). Looking back, it seems like so much wasted effort because of inadequate testing. A cheap saliva self-test could make the holidays a lot merrier and safer for all.
I really hope you're right. My family had a party at my parents' house this weekend to celebrate all the missed birthdays and other events. 10 people, outside, seated at least 6 feet apart, and masks when we had to go into the house or get close to each other. All I was thinking was...this is NOT going to work for Thanksgiving or Christmas (at least not in our climate).
Yeah. (Michigan, here.) I've been thinking a lot about that recently, and not just about holidays. Winter is going to be ugly. Some folks who are being semi-well-isolated in this warmer weather won't be able to hold out when the temperature's below freezing, and they can't meet others outside or eat on well-ventilated patios. This is hard on people with high social needs. I'm happy I'm not one, but it's a true psychological issue in some of my friends. It's not just an abdication of social responsibility - it's more of a dilemma from some. I hope they find a solution, without increasing their/others infection risks.9 -
I worry a bit about my mental health this winter. I am able to run outside, that helps keep depression at bay most of the time, but I am normally heebie jeebie with public spaces in the cold months anyway, this year could set me over the edge with my anxiety
I remember having to literally tell myself to breathe as we stepped into a crowded gym for basketball last year after everyone had finally gotten over being sick. (Not that we have to worry much about THAT scenario this year, ain’t no way b-ball is gonna happen for our family!) I change my clothes after the grocery store. Avoid the doctor unless absolutely, positively necessary (sometimes to a fault). I think CSI type shows ruined my brain years ago with their glowing lights showing how things were transmitted along the way. And even with the looming issues of a megasick winter, I fear people will become even more complacent or indignant as they further tire of taking precautions, or forget why they are necessary. 9 -
A question to those who have worn masks in public places for a longer time: do you get more skin irritation/flare-ups in your chin, nose or cheeks?
We got a mask advisory for public transportation on Thursday, and today a newspaper did interviews of people in the train. There was a woman who didn’t wear a mask, and her arguments included ”it will only be useful if everyone wears it, so I won’t wear it unless forced”, which, ?????? Can’t really understand the logic. Her other argument was that her cosmetologist/beautician had speculated on possible skin issues, which, again, I really wonder if they could be worse than the effects of covid-19.
Whether the mask causes pimples or other skin issues won’t affect my decision to wear a mask, but I got genuinely curious.5 -
I hate masks (I do wear them, of course) because no matter what I try my glasses fog and they are unpleasantly hot in some weather, but no skin issues at all.8
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