Coronavirus prep
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It's been a while since I last posted, so here's a little update from New Zealand...
We as a country had been doing great...101 days with no community transmission! All the active cases were from new arrivals in the country, in managed isolation (and then quarantine facilities). Things were pretty sweet, and day to day life pretty "normal".
Then 10-ish days ago, we had a new community case found...which has led to a cluster. I think as of today, we are looking at around 88 cases from that cluster. We have a total of 105 active cases, including the ones returned from overseas.
The Auckland region quickly went into a fairly high alert level (not quite as harsh as our toughest lockdown, but pretty restricted), and the rest of the country (incl where I am) moved up to "level 2" with a few more restrictions than before.
There's been a huge increase in testing to track down all the links to the known cases. New cases are still appearing each day, but single figures.
But the lockdown is of course taking a big toll on people and their livelihoods.
Being in a different region, my kids are still at school, and DH and I are still at work. But some things have changed - limits on spectators at kids sport, no overnight camps for scouts, no school disco...little things in the scheme of it, really. Makes me appreciate what we CAN do a lot more again19 -
My MIL's PCR test came back negative. She's still sick, but it isn't covid.21
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@MikePfirrman You're very smart. You will figure this thing out.
I've washed all of my masks. They're hanging UP and I'm ready for what tomorrow brings. 2020 has taken us to the cleaners and we've been wrung through the wringer.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Complete shift of gears, here: On errands this afternoon, I found the Very Most Polite And Mask/Distancing Compliant place I've been at, since this whole thing started.
It was a big but very busy (multi-material) public recycling drop-off site run by the local university, near my home. They closed briefly, but are now open 9AM-3PM, M-F (used to be 24x7 pre-pandemic).
Even though it's outdoors, masks are required (presumably because people may get close to each other, possibly coming out of a blind corner). Every other angle-parking spot was blocked with a traffic cone. There was an attendant (never had one pre-pandemic) under a portable canopy. Every single patron I saw was properly masked. People were bustling back and forth, and you'd see people walk between the big receptacles or out toward the cars to maintain distance from others when meeting/passing, despite the masks. The receptacles are giant truck-sized bins with multiple doors to throw recyclables through, and folks were spacing themselves out at different doors, or waiting briefly for a clear spot.
I'm going to double down in my speculation - can't recall if in this or another corona thread here - that different businesses/facilities tend to attract different subgroups as patrons, who have different attitudes toward what's appropriate behavior during this mess.
This is very true. We've recently looked at getting a gun. I'm about as pacifist as you can get and I detest guns, but with everything going on (I've had legit threats against me because I'm outspoken on Facebook against certain lying politicians who shall remain nameless and my business address is online), we've decided to get a couple of handguns and keep them safe. We have no grandkids that visit either, so there's none of that going on here.
We went into one gun shop and no one, not one person, was wearing a mask. Now, keep in mind, a month ago, Arizona was per capita the highest place on the flippin' planet for Coronavirus and the entire county had it as law that they could shut you down for ignoring the statutes. But yet, every single person, including the staff, had no mask on.
Sign of the times. One time I'm not a pacifist -- you threaten my family. Just don't like getting exposed to Covid-19 because the entire gun lobby (at least in AZ) appears to be against masks, which is a shame.
There are leading health care professionals of the same mind set as some gun owners.
https://nypost.com/2020/08/19/swedens-tegnell-wearing-face-masks-may-be-very-dangerous/
Hmm. The way you framed this suggests -- and thus I must conclude that was your intent -- that Tegnell said that mask wearing was dangerous to one's health. But instead, what he said was:
"“Face masks can be a complement to other things when other things are safely in place,” he said. “But to start with having face masks and then think you can crowd your buses or your shopping malls — that’s definitely a mistake.”
Thus, no, he does not agree with people who are anti social distancing AND anti masks as a political statement. He's saying that if you think you can ignore all other precautions because you have a mask, that's dangerous.
Luckily, I don't see anyone saying that a mask is a panacea such that nothing else matters.
Your post is on target. Thanks2 -
It's been a while since I last posted, so here's a little update from New Zealand...
We as a country had been doing great...101 days with no community transmission! All the active cases were from new arrivals in the country, in managed isolation (and then quarantine facilities). Things were pretty sweet, and day to day life pretty "normal".
Then 10-ish days ago, we had a new community case found...which has led to a cluster. I think as of today, we are looking at around 88 cases from that cluster. We have a total of 105 active cases, including the ones returned from overseas.
The Auckland region quickly went into a fairly high alert level (not quite as harsh as our toughest lockdown, but pretty restricted), and the rest of the country (incl where I am) moved up to "level 2" with a few more restrictions than before.
There's been a huge increase in testing to track down all the links to the known cases. New cases are still appearing each day, but single figures.
But the lockdown is of course taking a big toll on people and their livelihoods.
Being in a different region, my kids are still at school, and DH and I are still at work. But some things have changed - limits on spectators at kids sport, no overnight camps for scouts, no school disco...little things in the scheme of it, really. Makes me appreciate what we CAN do a lot more again
God, it's just so rational and orderly. It's like, I don't know, effective leadership or something. Bless you, Kiwis. I'm very sorry for the livelihood toll. That's no joke. Perhaps take solace in knowing that the result has been monumentally effective. Stay safe. Thanks for sharing. Makes me feel slightly better about humanity.13 -
We are such a global community anymore that sadly even if one country/locality/state appears to be nailing the response down, it's only a matter of time before it pops back up again. We are just lucky that the mortality of known cases is "only" 5%, If this were a true plague with higher mortality we would probably be looking at close to an extinction event seeing as how we do not seem to have the ability to work together as a world against a common enemy (virus).
And that's my Debbie downer note for today.13 -
In the town nearest to us (small town population 20,000 with 2 colleges. About 3000 students enrolled at this college) off campus party has resulted in an outbreak of Covid-19 among the party goers. Annual tuition $50,000/year. How are they going to get a grip on COVID-19 with this occurring at universities and colleges across the country? I’m in Minnesota, and the highest rates of new infections is in the 20-30 age group.2
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SummerSkier wrote: »We are such a global community anymore that sadly even if one country/locality/state appears to be nailing the response down, it's only a matter of time before it pops back up again. We are just lucky that the mortality of known cases is "only" 5%, If this were a true plague with higher mortality we would probably be looking at close to an extinction event seeing as how we do not seem to have the ability to work together as a world against a common enemy (virus).
And that's my Debbie downer note for today.
I noted something about this the other day. New mathematical models, because scientists are now saying that T Cells are just as, if not more important that antibodies, that we might only need to reach 43% or less of the population ( I think they said 43%) before we have herd immunity. That's great news, actually.
Sweden went for this early and deliberately. The irony is, the US didn't at all, but might achieve it soon after Sweden. Sweden's decision was controversial and (some would say) cost some of their old their lives. Our response would be just utter and complete incompetence.
At this point, I say with the young and dumb and the anti-maskers, as well as those that have already been exposed -- through no fault of their own -- we're inching closer and closer to that 43%. I do think after Fall, which will be bad, that we'll see the numbers dropping dramatically.
I think that's positive in a dark kind of way??4 -
ExistingFish wrote: »My MIL's PCR test came back negative. She's still sick, but it isn't covid.
Could be. My friend who had it for 10 weeks tested negative. Dr. Said maybe because they tested so late, maybe a bad test.
She also tested negative for antibodies about 12 weeks after first symptoms. She is now in quarantine again because she was definitely exposed.3 -
SummerSkier wrote: »We are such a global community anymore that sadly even if one country/locality/state appears to be nailing the response down, it's only a matter of time before it pops back up again. We are just lucky that the mortality of known cases is "only" 5%, If this were a true plague with higher mortality we would probably be looking at close to an extinction event seeing as how we do not seem to have the ability to work together as a world against a common enemy (virus).
And that's my Debbie downer note for today.
Mortality is less than 1%.4 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »We are such a global community anymore that sadly even if one country/locality/state appears to be nailing the response down, it's only a matter of time before it pops back up again. We are just lucky that the mortality of known cases is "only" 5%, If this were a true plague with higher mortality we would probably be looking at close to an extinction event seeing as how we do not seem to have the ability to work together as a world against a common enemy (virus).
And that's my Debbie downer note for today.
Mortality is less than 1%.
Mortality of closed cases. Of course statistics are all over but I used worldometer and have been watching it there. I'm sure you can find more statistics for all cases versus known which maybe are less. It doesn't truly matter. My point is that this sort of global catastrophe should bring the world together but instead we continue to think local.
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I don't think the mortality rate, at least now, is even 1%. NYC and Italy got hit with the worst strain. The one that hit the West Coast was more contagious, according to scientists, but had mutated to where it wasn't as deadly.
That's what drives me absolutely nuts when I hear "New York's response was terrible". It was a much deadlier strain that hit the US East Coast early on. We've also learned a lot about what works and what doesn't. Remdesivir has lessened the deaths greatly. The rest of us are just fortunate that it's much less deadly now, though so much easier to catch. I still have no desire to catch it because we still just don't know the long term affects.
There was a GA State QB this week that said he's quitting football because docs are telling him that he has long term (possible permanent) heart damage from Covid-19. He was a talented freshman. Great shape and young.6 -
SummerSkier wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »We are such a global community anymore that sadly even if one country/locality/state appears to be nailing the response down, it's only a matter of time before it pops back up again. We are just lucky that the mortality of known cases is "only" 5%, If this were a true plague with higher mortality we would probably be looking at close to an extinction event seeing as how we do not seem to have the ability to work together as a world against a common enemy (virus).
And that's my Debbie downer note for today.
Mortality is less than 1%.
Mortality of closed cases. Of course statistics are all over but I used worldometer and have been watching it there. I'm sure you can find more statistics for all cases versus known which maybe are less. It doesn't truly matter. My point is that this sort of global catastrophe should bring the world together but instead we continue to think local.
Yes, we have to use closed cases because we don't know the outcome of open cases and including them in the Total (denominator) without including the open cases that will result in death in the numerator will result in a mortality rate that is not correct (and lower than the true rate unless 100% of active cases survive). Anyone who passed 3rd grade math should know this already.7 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »I don't think the mortality rate, at least now, is even 1%. NYC and Italy got hit with the worst strain. The one that hit the West Coast was more contagious, according to scientists, but had mutated to where it wasn't as deadly.
That's what drives me absolutely nuts when I hear "New York's response was terrible". It was a much deadlier strain that hit the US East Coast early on. We've also learned a lot about what works and what doesn't. Remdesivir has lessened the deaths greatly. The rest of us are just fortunate that it's much less deadly now, though so much easier to catch. I still have no desire to catch it because we still just don't know the long term affects.
There was a GA State QB this week that said he's quitting football because docs are telling him that he has long term (possible permanent) heart damage from Covid-19. He was a talented freshman. Great shape and young.
Yes, the long term effects of the health of the survivors of COVID-19 may be devastating for some people. It’s encouraging that a young athlete, can take the advice from his doctors. If some leaders would have done this from the beginning, perhaps the US would be in a better place now.9 -
It's been a while since I last posted, so here's a little update from New Zealand...
We as a country had been doing great...101 days with no community transmission! All the active cases were from new arrivals in the country, in managed isolation (and then quarantine facilities). Things were pretty sweet, and day to day life pretty "normal".
Then 10-ish days ago, we had a new community case found...which has led to a cluster. I think as of today, we are looking at around 88 cases from that cluster. We have a total of 105 active cases, including the ones returned from overseas.
The Auckland region quickly went into a fairly high alert level (not quite as harsh as our toughest lockdown, but pretty restricted), and the rest of the country (incl where I am) moved up to "level 2" with a few more restrictions than before.
There's been a huge increase in testing to track down all the links to the known cases. New cases are still appearing each day, but single figures.
But the lockdown is of course taking a big toll on people and their livelihoods.
Being in a different region, my kids are still at school, and DH and I are still at work. But some things have changed - limits on spectators at kids sport, no overnight camps for scouts, no school disco...little things in the scheme of it, really. Makes me appreciate what we CAN do a lot more again
I admire New Zealand. You're in a big island, and I'm in a little one. Our cases were down to ZERO until we started to welcome scheduled flights again. The protocol is that all arriving passengers SHOULD have a certificate of a recent negative COVID19 test, or else they MUST be tested before leaving the airport. And if we test you locally, there will be a follow up test 7 days later. Now we have a few new cases on record every day as a result. Still no local community spread.5 -
missysippy930 wrote: »In the town nearest to us (small town population 20,000 with 2 colleges. About 3000 students enrolled at this college) off campus party has resulted in an outbreak of Covid-19 among the party goers. Annual tuition $50,000/year. How are they going to get a grip on COVID-19 with this occurring at universities and colleges across the country? I’m in Minnesota, and the highest rates of new infections is in the 20-30 age group.
It is happening at colleges here in Indiana. One school just kicked out like 36 students for attending a party. The schools had all students sign documents about NOT doing stupid stuff like that. They broke it. They suffered the consequences. Another school is looking into a party there and those students will be kicked out as well when they are identified. The dean has already said that if it continues, they WILL be going all online which has made a lot of other students upset. It only takes a few to ruin it for everyone.
So, is anyone stocking up any? With flu season coming up along with Covid, I am wondering how much stocking I should do. I did get to Costco today for the first time since February. Picked up paper towels, toilet paper, kleenex, steak, salmon, pork chops, and chicken breasts plus a few more items. Also going to stock up on things I use a lot of in the fall/winter like stocks, cream of X soups, "canned" soup, pasta sauce, pasta, and things like that. Plus a few specialty items like coconut aminos. I spoke to my therapist about it and she said as long as I don't get obsessive or let my "anxiety voice" take charge, then it seems like a solid plan. Just still worried that it's too much.7 -
missysippy930 wrote: »In the town nearest to us (small town population 20,000 with 2 colleges. About 3000 students enrolled at this college) off campus party has resulted in an outbreak of Covid-19 among the party goers. Annual tuition $50,000/year. How are they going to get a grip on COVID-19 with this occurring at universities and colleges across the country? I’m in Minnesota, and the highest rates of new infections is in the 20-30 age group.
It is happening at colleges here in Indiana. One school just kicked out like 36 students for attending a party. The schools had all students sign documents about NOT doing stupid stuff like that. They broke it. They suffered the consequences. Another school is looking into a party there and those students will be kicked out as well when they are identified. The dean has already said that if it continues, they WILL be going all online which has made a lot of other students upset. It only takes a few to ruin it for everyone.
So, is anyone stocking up any? With flu season coming up along with Covid, I am wondering how much stocking I should do. I did get to Costco today for the first time since February. Picked up paper towels, toilet paper, kleenex, steak, salmon, pork chops, and chicken breasts plus a few more items. Also going to stock up on things I use a lot of in the fall/winter like stocks, cream of X soups, "canned" soup, pasta sauce, pasta, and things like that. Plus a few specialty items like coconut aminos. I spoke to my therapist about it and she said as long as I don't get obsessive or let my "anxiety voice" take charge, then it seems like a solid plan. Just still worried that it's too much.
If you will use it before it expires, there should be no need to worry. Here, it's normal to stock up before winter because we never know what will happen with the weather. If stocks run low later, then you won't be part of the problem because you won't need to shop.8 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »We are such a global community anymore that sadly even if one country/locality/state appears to be nailing the response down, it's only a matter of time before it pops back up again. We are just lucky that the mortality of known cases is "only" 5%, If this were a true plague with higher mortality we would probably be looking at close to an extinction event seeing as how we do not seem to have the ability to work together as a world against a common enemy (virus).
And that's my Debbie downer note for today.
I noted something about this the other day. New mathematical models, because scientists are now saying that T Cells are just as, if not more important that antibodies, that we might only need to reach 43% or less of the population ( I think they said 43%) before we have herd immunity. That's great news, actually.
Sweden went for this early and deliberately. The irony is, the US didn't at all, but might achieve it soon after Sweden. Sweden's decision was controversial and (some would say) cost some of their old their lives. Our response would be just utter and complete incompetence.
At this point, I say with the young and dumb and the anti-maskers, as well as those that have already been exposed -- through no fault of their own -- we're inching closer and closer to that 43%. I do think after Fall, which will be bad, that we'll see the numbers dropping dramatically.
I think that's positive in a dark kind of way??
The US population is 328 million people. 45% would be 147,600,000.
Current known infections are 5,620,000 and that's in around 6 months. Obviously that case # is low as many people weren't tested. But even if twice as many people have gotten it (11 million let's say), it would still take several years for us to get anywhere near a 43% threshold, and that would require staying at our current pace, which is yielding 1,000 ish deaths a day.
Sorry to be a party pooper
but that doesn't sound positive to me. But it is Friday night during the Apocalypse and I've already gotten into the box of wine in the fridge... 14 -
missysippy930 wrote: »In the town nearest to us (small town population 20,000 with 2 colleges. About 3000 students enrolled at this college) off campus party has resulted in an outbreak of Covid-19 among the party goers. Annual tuition $50,000/year. How are they going to get a grip on COVID-19 with this occurring at universities and colleges across the country? I’m in Minnesota, and the highest rates of new infections is in the 20-30 age group.
It is happening at colleges here in Indiana. One school just kicked out like 36 students for attending a party. The schools had all students sign documents about NOT doing stupid stuff like that. They broke it. They suffered the consequences. Another school is looking into a party there and those students will be kicked out as well when they are identified. The dean has already said that if it continues, they WILL be going all online which has made a lot of other students upset. It only takes a few to ruin it for everyone.
So, is anyone stocking up any? With flu season coming up along with Covid, I am wondering how much stocking I should do. I did get to Costco today for the first time since February. Picked up paper towels, toilet paper, kleenex, steak, salmon, pork chops, and chicken breasts plus a few more items. Also going to stock up on things I use a lot of in the fall/winter like stocks, cream of X soups, "canned" soup, pasta sauce, pasta, and things like that. Plus a few specialty items like coconut aminos. I spoke to my therapist about it and she said as long as I don't get obsessive or let my "anxiety voice" take charge, then it seems like a solid plan. Just still worried that it's too much.
I'm buying one or two stock-up items whenever I shop to cycle out my previous stock and build it up a little more. I'm hoping to start stretching out the time between shopping trips again, as I've gotten a little lax about it over the summer. Cases are rising in Virginia and some schools are still intending to open soon.8 -
Trying to stock up on supplies again, not bc of covid or flu, but bc there’s two storms in the gulf headed my way. Hey, why not, it’s 202013
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