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@MikePfirrman & @SModa61 Thanks to both of you for the info!2
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kshama2001 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »Kellyanne Conway, who left the White House last month but was at the reception for Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett last weekend, which is being eyed as a possible superspreader event, has announced she has tested positive for COVID.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2020/10/02/trump-biden-live-updates/
Yeah, it's a shame. Two very old gentlemen were seated next to Rev Jenkins, who also has it. Neither had masks. Some will likely die from this. So preventable and unfortunate. I expect Bill Barr to be announced next. He was seen talking to Kellyanne a lot at that event.
Ted Cruz was also seen whispering back and forth to Mike Lee on Thursday, so he should be worried as well.
Yes, about an hour before I heard about Kellyanne I saw a video of her leaning in close to Barr and whispering in his ear. Don't have that but do have this:
Barr has tested negative but still no planing to quarantine. At least he is wearing a mask now...
"Asked Saturday why Barr isn't quarantining after news of Conway's positive Covid results, the Justice Department reiterated to CNN that Barr had tested negative on Friday. Justice Department spokeswoman Kerri Kupec later said Barr had again tested negative.
The attorney general was seen leaving the White House on Saturday wearing a mask. He had gone there on Friday and Saturday to get Covid tests -- both of which were negative. Barr will continue to self monitor and get tested, according to the Justice Department."
Pence has also tested negative, but he also decided not to quarantine. C. Christie, has tested positive too. In the mean time, conflict information about Trumps' medical condition is coming out from unknown sources and what ever the medical team projects in TV. Who knows who is really running the country!2 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »@MikePfirrman That song, Garden Party, was the first thing on my mind this morning. Garden parties aren't everything. Hugs and kisses all around. Oooo, brother.
No one can prognosticate what's going to happen in the future. Out here in the wild, wild west you grow up learning how to trust your instincts. We're bent on survival. I don't have a peaceful easy feeling. I'm not a waiting-for-the-other-shoe-to-drop kind of person but I can almost see it fall.
Oh sweetie. Keep being positive. I'll be there if you need a hand any time. I totally believe in staying positive through all of this crap. If you need anything ever tell me and I'll send it no problem. If you need just a virtual hug I'm here. We just have to ignore the jerks. I know everything will be fine soon.
No, things will not "be fine soon." And wanting to know the truth doesn't make people jerks, it makes them/me/us concerned citizen seeking the right information. Jerks are the ones that want to overshadow the reality of the pandemic and those that do not follow health directives, but make mockery of those that do.
One can be hopeful that things will "eventually" get better, while admitting and facing the reality of the situation, and condemning the actions of those that make the situation worse.
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@MikePfirrman Very interesting, so apparently that drug has multiple uses or is being used off label. Very interesting to see the doctor's selections and the "why's". I am hoping that your logical assumption, that they are treating aggressively due to rapid COVID progression, is wrong. I'm hoping they are just trying to get ahead of what "could happen". Time will tell.
My best guess, and I'm certainly not a scientist, is that Trump initially was listening to his main influencer, Scott Atlas, and later what the docs were telling him at Walter Reed. My guess is that the H2 Histamine blocker and the melatonin were Atlas' idea and the antibody cocktail was a "what the heck, it can't hurt" and the Remdesivir was the docs at Walter Reed.
What I find amusing and somewhat scary after all this time is, aside from the antibody cocktail and the Remdesivir, it's literally a "let's try this and that" approach because it can't hurt, and what most Americans might try at home. They likely have steroids awaiting as well if it gets any worse. But at this point, at least if we're hearing the truth, there isn't a whole lot more they can do that they haven't done.
The danger is, we heard the same feedback about Herman Cain. "Doing well, seems to be not that bad". It's a very unpredictable disease. And someone can quickly get much worse. Especially someone with as many preexisting conditions.
I do find it astounding that I'm hearing it's a 50/50 mix of maskers and anti-maskers still in the US, even after all of this. All of this stuff to reduce the viral load. Something else reduces the viral load from the onset. It's called a flippin' mask.
I try not to be completely cynical when it comes to the masses' collective intelligence. But it's times like these that test my cynical nature.11 -
Me too, Mike, me too. My first thought after Trump's positive diagnosis was well, at least now everybody will be smarter about masking up. But that's not happening; it's still a choice at the WH whether one wants to wear a mask or not.
Are You Kidding Me???? Have we not listened and learned anything?? What will it take? 6 -
@MikePfirrman
Is it possible that the mix that appears hit or miss, could be what Walter Reed actually put together? You can that I tend to lean optimistic, even though I am a major cynic.
Totally agree with the unpredictable nature. And then on top of it, these news reports are all vying for "a story" and I am having a hard time parsing when true, and what's false.
This morning there was a discussion about Trump's pre-existing conditions, they mentioned his age and weight, but then said that his "most dangerous" condition is being male. I was very surprised by that.
Problem with the masks is they got pulled into political divisiveness and have become a statement. Or at least, that is my thought.
(Haha, getting to the end, i noticed we both called ourselves cynics.
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Diatonic12 wrote: »@MikePfirrman That song, Garden Party, was the first thing on my mind this morning. Garden parties aren't everything. Hugs and kisses all around. Oooo, brother.
No one can prognosticate what's going to happen in the future. Out here in the wild, wild west you grow up learning how to trust your instincts. We're bent on survival. I don't have a peaceful easy feeling. I'm not a waiting-for-the-other-shoe-to-drop kind of person but I can almost see it fall.
Oh sweetie. Keep being positive. I'll be there if you need a hand any time. I totally believe in staying positive through all of this crap. If you need anything ever tell me and I'll send it no problem. If you need just a virtual hug I'm here. We just have to ignore the jerks. I know everything will be fine soon.
No, things will not "be fine soon." And wanting to know the truth doesn't make people jerks, it makes them/me/us concerned citizen seeking the right information. Jerks are the ones that want to overshadow the reality of the pandemic and those that do not follow health directives, but make mockery of those that do.
One can be hopeful that things will "eventually" get better, while admitting and facing the reality of the situation, and condemning the actions of those that make the situation worse.
I believe things will be fine soon so believe whatever you like and I will too. Wash your hands, distance and keep wearing a mask.10 -
He just tweeted a new video. He says he is feeling okay but the next couple of days will be the real test. He definitely looks under the weather, but that is to be expected.
I thought it was weird the press was harping on if he was ever on oxygen. He hasn't been now or the past 2 days. Most patients with any type of respiratory illness are initially given oxygen whether they need it or not. They give oxygen to pretty much everyone who is admitted so I thought it was weird they kept asking like it would make any difference or mean anything.3 -
Me too, Mike, me too. My first thought after Trump's positive diagnosis was well, at least now everybody will be smarter about masking up. But that's not happening; it's still a choice at the WH whether one wants to wear a mask or not. Are You Kidding Me???? Have we not listened and learned anything?? What will it take?
Today, heard one of his supporters interviewed on NPR, who was asked point-blank whether she though Trump ought to have worn a mask. She said "no" because it was everyone's individual choice. (This is not an word for word quote, but i promise that it's an accurate representation of what she said.)
Please note, in the interest of the "no politics" rules here, that I'm not offering any opinon in this post about the woman interviewed, her opinions, or anything else. I'm just reporting an interview I heard, as neutrally as possible.9 -
Apparently Hope Hicks said she was one of the more consistent mask wearers in the WH and was upset that others did not wear them and sneered at those who did. She also was apparently upset that initially it seemed that people were throwing her under the bus as the person who infected Trump when it now seems they were likely infected at the same time. WH has said they aren't changing from the less accurate 15 min tests to the apparently more accurate 45 min tests or a mask mandate.This morning there was a discussion about Trump's pre-existing conditions, they mentioned his age and weight, but then said that his "most dangerous" condition is being male. I was very surprised by that.
It was entirely avoidable that masks got portrayed as a political statement.
It is true that men on average seem to do more poorly than women, although maybe women get tested more to explain the stats.4 -
One of the reasons for his medical team throwing so many yet unproven treatments at him is probably because they are trying to avoid putting DT in a ventilator and in an medical induced coma. Trump would have to pass the baton to Pence for as long as necessary and I don't think that he wants to relinquish his power.
Besides, once in a ventilator and specially at his age, his treatment and recovery could be much lengthy and difficult. Just my opinion...3 -
Apparently Hope Hicks said she was one of the more consistent mask wearers in the WH and was upset that others did not wear them and sneered at those who did. She also was apparently upset that initially it seemed that people were throwing her under the bus as the person who infected Trump when it now seems they were likely infected at the same time. WH has said they aren't changing from the less accurate 15 min tests to the apparently more accurate 45 min tests or a mask mandate.This morning there was a discussion about Trump's pre-existing conditions, they mentioned his age and weight, but then said that his "most dangerous" condition is being male. I was very surprised by that.
It was entirely avoidable that masks got portrayed as a political statement.
It is true that men on average seem to do more poorly than women, although maybe women get tested more to explain the stats.
I was looking at our local stats the other day and women were more than half of those infected but substantially less than half of deaths. There’s been discussion that estrogen is in some way protective but that doesn’t make sense to me since the difference is just as large in menopausal women.5 -
Apparently Hope Hicks said she was one of the more consistent mask wearers in the WH and was upset that others did not wear them and sneered at those who did. She also was apparently upset that initially it seemed that people were throwing her under the bus as the person who infected Trump when it now seems they were likely infected at the same time. WH has said they aren't changing from the less accurate 15 min tests to the apparently more accurate 45 min tests or a mask mandate.This morning there was a discussion about Trump's pre-existing conditions, they mentioned his age and weight, but then said that his "most dangerous" condition is being male. I was very surprised by that.
It was entirely avoidable that masks got portrayed as a political statement.
It is true that men on average seem to do more poorly than women, although maybe women get tested more to explain the stats.
I don't know that it has any relevance, but observation of those around me (personal circle and what I see in stores and such) is that men are slightly more likely to be mask objectors, chin maskers, and that sort of thing. There are also signs that viral load (how many viable viral bits hit a person effectively) is a factor in seriousness of infection. No idea if this holds generally, or is meaningful (vs. biological factors of some sort) in the differences between the sexes, but it's a thing I've been wondering about.3 -
^this thinking coincides with the view point that more women take their health more seriously - go for annual checkups/go to the doctor/dentist, etc., more than men. Men are more likely to lead 'riskier' lifestyles too.9
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@MikePfirrman Very interesting, so apparently that drug has multiple uses or is being used off label. Very interesting to see the doctor's selections and the "why's". I am hoping that your logical assumption, that they are treating aggressively due to rapid COVID progression, is wrong. I'm hoping they are just trying to get ahead of what "could happen". Time will tell.
Or he was already taking all those other drugs for typical reasons before the COVID diagnosis. The announcement said he "has been" taking them, which in ordinary usage is somewhat vague but more compatible with his taking them for longer than two days since diagnosis, as is the reference to a "daily" aspirin.In addition to the polyclonal antibodies, the President has been taking zinc, vitamin D, famotidine, melatonin, and a daily aspirin.4 -
@MikePfirrman
Is it possible that the mix that appears hit or miss, could be what Walter Reed actually put together? You can that I tend to lean optimistic, even though I am a major cynic.
Totally agree with the unpredictable nature. And then on top of it, these news reports are all vying for "a story" and I am having a hard time parsing when true, and what's false.
This morning there was a discussion about Trump's pre-existing conditions, they mentioned his age and weight, but then said that his "most dangerous" condition is being male. I was very surprised by that.
Problem with the masks is they got pulled into political divisiveness and have become a statement. Or at least, that is my thought.
(Haha, getting to the end, i noticed we both called ourselves cynics. )
Other than the Remdesivir, which @MikePfirrman excluded in the post you appear to be commenting, all the things he seems to be taking were announced by the White House before he was taken to Walter Reed, so it seems unlikely that they are what Walter Reed actually put together. Can't find it now, but a story in either the Washington Post or New York Times in the past couple of days quoted an unnamed White House source as saying that the president was directing his own medical care -- in the way many try to do when they ask their doctors if they should be taking X or Y that they heard about on the Internet or from a friend. The difference would seem to be that for ordinary patients, most doctors probably push back harder on whether the suggested treatment is appropriate.4 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »He just tweeted a new video. He says he is feeling okay but the next couple of days will be the real test. He definitely looks under the weather, but that is to be expected.
I thought it was weird the press was harping on if he was ever on oxygen. He hasn't been now or the past 2 days. Most patients with any type of respiratory illness are initially given oxygen whether they need it or not. They give oxygen to pretty much everyone who is admitted so I thought it was weird they kept asking like it would make any difference or mean anything.
The audio I heard from the WH physician seemed carefully parsed to say the president wasn't on oxygen TODAY, not ruling out yesterday. Also, the reporters were asking for an explanation, if he was on oxygen, why that was. That would have allowed the doctor to make clear whether it was just precautionary or whether there was a specific reason, like low blood oxygen. That would make a difference. The American people have right to know whether the president is physically able to do his job. It's unfair to blame the reporters for doing their jobs, which is to try to get the public the facts they need and deserve, when people whose salaries are paid by the public choose to give incomplete and misleading answers.10 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »He just tweeted a new video. He says he is feeling okay but the next couple of days will be the real test. He definitely looks under the weather, but that is to be expected.
I thought it was weird the press was harping on if he was ever on oxygen. He hasn't been now or the past 2 days. Most patients with any type of respiratory illness are initially given oxygen whether they need it or not. They give oxygen to pretty much everyone who is admitted so I thought it was weird they kept asking like it would make any difference or mean anything.
The audio I heard from the WH physician seemed carefully parsed to say the president wasn't on oxygen TODAY, not ruling out yesterday. Also, the reporters were asking for an explanation, if he was on oxygen, why that was. That would have allowed the doctor to make clear whether it was just precautionary or whether there was a specific reason, like low blood oxygen. That would make a difference. The American people have right to know whether the president is physically able to do his job. It's unfair to blame the reporters for doing their jobs, which is to try to get the public the facts they need and deserve, when people whose salaries are paid by the public choose to give incomplete and misleading answers.
They did say he wasn't on oxygen today or yesterday or the day before and they continued to ask in the clip I saw. Being on oxygen for one day doesn't mean anything as it is standard protocol for anyone with a respiratory illness who arrives at the hospital before you can say for sure if they need it or not. I completely agree, the people need to know how capable he is but, I just think it was a weird question on the reporters part (with likely no medical background) because it really means nothing if he was on it or not a few days ago. I did think it was overly cautious that they avoided saying he was likely on it initially. Probably because a lot of people with no medical background would interpret being on oxygen as a very ominous sign.
The whole thing was just a side note thought I had while watching. Not like it means anything or was super important, I just found it interesting.6 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »@MikePfirrman Very interesting, so apparently that drug has multiple uses or is being used off label. Very interesting to see the doctor's selections and the "why's". I am hoping that your logical assumption, that they are treating aggressively due to rapid COVID progression, is wrong. I'm hoping they are just trying to get ahead of what "could happen". Time will tell.
Or he was already taking all those other drugs for typical reasons before the COVID diagnosis. The announcement said he "has been" taking them, which in ordinary usage is somewhat vague but more compatible with his taking them for longer than two days since diagnosis, as is the reference to a "daily" aspirin.In addition to the polyclonal antibodies, the President has been taking zinc, vitamin D, famotidine, melatonin, and a daily aspirin.
Lynn, I had interpreted the meds the same as you, and without spotting the past tense word like you, I had assumed that the famotidine, melatonin and aspirin were part his pre-Covid daily supplements as they looked like ones an older overweight person might need. While Mike, on the other hand has Covid related explanations for each which were rather interesting. Not sure that in the short run, we will be told their purposes.3 -
just adding to the discussion. New on the TV just touched upon President Trump. And I think it was the white house physician commenting but the comment was "yesterday morning.... he had a fever and a Blood oxygen level that was dropping". ( think I typed that right ) I am assuming that "yesterday morning" was friday.2
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