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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »Donald Trump and his wife test positive for Covid-19.
Wow, just one more dynamic added to this already crazy election.
I'm sure they will be fine as he has access to levels of treatment that most people don't.
But 1 month from Election Day, quarantine for 14 days, so no campaigning around the country. They will have medical attention most people don’t receive, but no one is immune and he’s in the age group for risk factor.
Yes, but can do some speaking from quarantine. Here's what bothers me: They found out about Hope Hicks testing positive as Marine One was taking off yesterday to head to Air Force One and go to a fundraiser. At that time, they took several people off Marine One because they had been in contact with Ms. Hicks. However, several others had been in close contact with her (including the President) and continued on to the fundraiser. Why? I'm not convinced they will take quarantine seriously.
I would agree with you, but the only other factor could be the frequency of President Trump's testing. If I heard correctly today, he was negative yesterday morning. Do correct me if I heard wrong.
He gets the Abbott rapid test daily, which is why I'm surprised he was showing symptoms starting Wed. night and yet continued to test negative. MSNBC had someone on that says the rapid tests have a 3 in 10 false negative rate, which is very high. Yet I thought the rapid testing had a high false positive rate. Is it just false in general?!
ETA: After Gov. DeWine had a false positive from the rapid test before meeting with Trump, I'm sure he got a PCR test to be certain before releasing that he is positive.
ETA again: Sorry, PCR is the rapid test... the antigen test is what I mean. The slow test...
Also, saw something, I think from MIT, that says the rapid test has 100% false negative on day 1 of infection, down to 67% false negative on day 4, and down to 38% false negative rate when symptoms begin.
Just heard the "on the hour" news in the car, what they had said is that Hope Hicks developed symptoms Wednesday night, she then tested positive yesterday morning and President Trump tested positive last night. I've have not heard any mention of President Trump having Wednesday symptoms, but of course different sources may have different info.
As for PCR vs Antigen, I just looked things up. ALL antigen tests are "rapid" tests (within an hour), while molecular tests, which PCR is one of them, can be same day or up to a week, depending on the test. Molecular is deemed "highly accurate", but you and I both read the MIT article that implies differently to me. Antigen - "Positive results are usually highly accurate but negative results may need to be confirmed with a molecular test."
As for DeWine, I don't think I followed what you were saying about a "false" positive rapid test if you are saying that he released that he was positive. Wouldn't that mean the rapid test was correct. I'm sure I am missing something.
Ok, then I was confused on the name for PCR tests and had the wrong name for the test.
As to Gov. DeWine, this was awhile ago. He went to meet Trump and had a rapid test before. He tested positive and went home to isolate instead of meet Trump. He also immediately had a "real" test (that takes a day or more) and it was negative. The rapid test was a false positive.
ETA: Symptoms Wed. night are because he was said to be lethargic. His staff just figured it was because he had been so busy with campaign events, which makes sense at the time.
I heard that Trump slept on the plane on the way home Wed night, which is very unusual for him.2 -
So famotidine, which is an antihistamine. Interesting.
I thought Famotidine is for acid reflux?1 -
RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »
So famotidine, which is an antihistamine. Interesting.
I thought Famotidine is for acid reflux?
I think the list of meds may include medications from prior to his diagnosis like the melatonin as well.
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RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »
So famotidine, which is an antihistamine. Interesting.
I thought Famotidine is for acid reflux?
I think the list of meds may include medications from prior to his diagnosis like the melatonin as well.
And the baby aspirin.
Edited because I realized the "baby" came out of my own head from the way they used to describe aspirin therapy.1 -
I was just questioning (& trying to quote Mike, which I didn’t do well) if it was an antihistamine or for acid reflux.0
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kshama2001 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »Donald Trump and his wife test positive for Covid-19.
Wow, just one more dynamic added to this already crazy election.
I'm sure they will be fine as he has access to levels of treatment that most people don't.
But 1 month from Election Day, quarantine for 14 days, so no campaigning around the country. They will have medical attention most people don’t receive, but no one is immune and he’s in the age group for risk factor.
Yes, but can do some speaking from quarantine. Here's what bothers me: They found out about Hope Hicks testing positive as Marine One was taking off yesterday to head to Air Force One and go to a fundraiser. At that time, they took several people off Marine One because they had been in contact with Ms. Hicks. However, several others had been in close contact with her (including the President) and continued on to the fundraiser. Why? I'm not convinced they will take quarantine seriously.
I would agree with you, but the only other factor could be the frequency of President Trump's testing. If I heard correctly today, he was negative yesterday morning. Do correct me if I heard wrong.
He gets the Abbott rapid test daily, which is why I'm surprised he was showing symptoms starting Wed. night and yet continued to test negative. MSNBC had someone on that says the rapid tests have a 3 in 10 false negative rate, which is very high. Yet I thought the rapid testing had a high false positive rate. Is it just false in general?!
ETA: After Gov. DeWine had a false positive from the rapid test before meeting with Trump, I'm sure he got a PCR test to be certain before releasing that he is positive.
ETA again: Sorry, PCR is the rapid test... the antigen test is what I mean. The slow test...
Also, saw something, I think from MIT, that says the rapid test has 100% false negative on day 1 of infection, down to 67% false negative on day 4, and down to 38% false negative rate when symptoms begin.
Just heard the "on the hour" news in the car, what they had said is that Hope Hicks developed symptoms Wednesday night, she then tested positive yesterday morning and President Trump tested positive last night. I've have not heard any mention of President Trump having Wednesday symptoms, but of course different sources may have different info.
As for PCR vs Antigen, I just looked things up. ALL antigen tests are "rapid" tests (within an hour), while molecular tests, which PCR is one of them, can be same day or up to a week, depending on the test. Molecular is deemed "highly accurate", but you and I both read the MIT article that implies differently to me. Antigen - "Positive results are usually highly accurate but negative results may need to be confirmed with a molecular test."
As for DeWine, I don't think I followed what you were saying about a "false" positive rapid test if you are saying that he released that he was positive. Wouldn't that mean the rapid test was correct. I'm sure I am missing something.
Ok, then I was confused on the name for PCR tests and had the wrong name for the test.
As to Gov. DeWine, this was awhile ago. He went to meet Trump and had a rapid test before. He tested positive and went home to isolate instead of meet Trump. He also immediately had a "real" test (that takes a day or more) and it was negative. The rapid test was a false positive.
ETA: Symptoms Wed. night are because he was said to be lethargic. His staff just figured it was because he had been so busy with campaign events, which makes sense at the time.
I heard that Trump slept on the plane on the way home Wed night, which is very unusual for him.
That explains the melatonin.0 -
RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »I was just questioning (& trying to quote Mike, which I didn’t do well) if it was an antihistamine or for acid reflux.
Gotcha, I had missed that in Mike's comment. Famotidine is for reflux, and I'm not sure about the antihistamine comment. Reflux is often associated with larger abdomens as in overweight individuals and pregnant women. President Trump is larger, so that very well could make sense.
"Over-the-counter famotidine is used to prevent and treat heartburn due to acid indigestion and sour stomach caused by eating or drinking certain foods or drinks. Famotidine is in a class of medications called H2 blockers. It works by decreasing the amount of acid made in the stomach."
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »Donald Trump and his wife test positive for Covid-19.
Wow, just one more dynamic added to this already crazy election.
I'm sure they will be fine as he has access to levels of treatment that most people don't.
But 1 month from Election Day, quarantine for 14 days, so no campaigning around the country. They will have medical attention most people don’t receive, but no one is immune and he’s in the age group for risk factor.
Yes, but can do some speaking from quarantine. Here's what bothers me: They found out about Hope Hicks testing positive as Marine One was taking off yesterday to head to Air Force One and go to a fundraiser. At that time, they took several people off Marine One because they had been in contact with Ms. Hicks. However, several others had been in close contact with her (including the President) and continued on to the fundraiser. Why? I'm not convinced they will take quarantine seriously.
I would agree with you, but the only other factor could be the frequency of President Trump's testing. If I heard correctly today, he was negative yesterday morning. Do correct me if I heard wrong.
He gets the Abbott rapid test daily, which is why I'm surprised he was showing symptoms starting Wed. night and yet continued to test negative. MSNBC had someone on that says the rapid tests have a 3 in 10 false negative rate, which is very high. Yet I thought the rapid testing had a high false positive rate. Is it just false in general?!
ETA: After Gov. DeWine had a false positive from the rapid test before meeting with Trump, I'm sure he got a PCR test to be certain before releasing that he is positive.
ETA again: Sorry, PCR is the rapid test... the antigen test is what I mean. The slow test...
Also, saw something, I think from MIT, that says the rapid test has 100% false negative on day 1 of infection, down to 67% false negative on day 4, and down to 38% false negative rate when symptoms begin.
Just heard the "on the hour" news in the car, what they had said is that Hope Hicks developed symptoms Wednesday night, she then tested positive yesterday morning and President Trump tested positive last night. I've have not heard any mention of President Trump having Wednesday symptoms, but of course different sources may have different info.
As for PCR vs Antigen, I just looked things up. ALL antigen tests are "rapid" tests (within an hour), while molecular tests, which PCR is one of them, can be same day or up to a week, depending on the test. Molecular is deemed "highly accurate", but you and I both read the MIT article that implies differently to me. Antigen - "Positive results are usually highly accurate but negative results may need to be confirmed with a molecular test."
As for DeWine, I don't think I followed what you were saying about a "false" positive rapid test if you are saying that he released that he was positive. Wouldn't that mean the rapid test was correct. I'm sure I am missing something.
Ok, then I was confused on the name for PCR tests and had the wrong name for the test.
As to Gov. DeWine, this was awhile ago. He went to meet Trump and had a rapid test before. He tested positive and went home to isolate instead of meet Trump. He also immediately had a "real" test (that takes a day or more) and it was negative. The rapid test was a false positive.
ETA: Symptoms Wed. night are because he was said to be lethargic. His staff just figured it was because he had been so busy with campaign events, which makes sense at the time.
I heard that Trump slept on the plane on the way home Wed night, which is very unusual for him.
That explains the melatonin.
Hmmmm now you've got me thinking and wondering about the melatonin.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »Donald Trump and his wife test positive for Covid-19.
Wow, just one more dynamic added to this already crazy election.
I'm sure they will be fine as he has access to levels of treatment that most people don't.
But 1 month from Election Day, quarantine for 14 days, so no campaigning around the country. They will have medical attention most people don’t receive, but no one is immune and he’s in the age group for risk factor.
Yes, but can do some speaking from quarantine. Here's what bothers me: They found out about Hope Hicks testing positive as Marine One was taking off yesterday to head to Air Force One and go to a fundraiser. At that time, they took several people off Marine One because they had been in contact with Ms. Hicks. However, several others had been in close contact with her (including the President) and continued on to the fundraiser. Why? I'm not convinced they will take quarantine seriously.
I would agree with you, but the only other factor could be the frequency of President Trump's testing. If I heard correctly today, he was negative yesterday morning. Do correct me if I heard wrong.
He gets the Abbott rapid test daily, which is why I'm surprised he was showing symptoms starting Wed. night and yet continued to test negative. MSNBC had someone on that says the rapid tests have a 3 in 10 false negative rate, which is very high. Yet I thought the rapid testing had a high false positive rate. Is it just false in general?!
ETA: After Gov. DeWine had a false positive from the rapid test before meeting with Trump, I'm sure he got a PCR test to be certain before releasing that he is positive.
ETA again: Sorry, PCR is the rapid test... the antigen test is what I mean. The slow test...
Also, saw something, I think from MIT, that says the rapid test has 100% false negative on day 1 of infection, down to 67% false negative on day 4, and down to 38% false negative rate when symptoms begin.
Just heard the "on the hour" news in the car, what they had said is that Hope Hicks developed symptoms Wednesday night, she then tested positive yesterday morning and President Trump tested positive last night. I've have not heard any mention of President Trump having Wednesday symptoms, but of course different sources may have different info.
As for PCR vs Antigen, I just looked things up. ALL antigen tests are "rapid" tests (within an hour), while molecular tests, which PCR is one of them, can be same day or up to a week, depending on the test. Molecular is deemed "highly accurate", but you and I both read the MIT article that implies differently to me. Antigen - "Positive results are usually highly accurate but negative results may need to be confirmed with a molecular test."
As for DeWine, I don't think I followed what you were saying about a "false" positive rapid test if you are saying that he released that he was positive. Wouldn't that mean the rapid test was correct. I'm sure I am missing something.
Ok, then I was confused on the name for PCR tests and had the wrong name for the test.
As to Gov. DeWine, this was awhile ago. He went to meet Trump and had a rapid test before. He tested positive and went home to isolate instead of meet Trump. He also immediately had a "real" test (that takes a day or more) and it was negative. The rapid test was a false positive.
ETA: Symptoms Wed. night are because he was said to be lethargic. His staff just figured it was because he had been so busy with campaign events, which makes sense at the time.
I heard that Trump slept on the plane on the way home Wed night, which is very unusual for him.
That explains the melatonin.
Hmmmm now you've got me thinking and wondering about the melatonin.
Well, from his Twitter account, we know he doesn't seem to get that much sleep at night.3 -
RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »I was just questioning (& trying to quote Mike, which I didn’t do well) if it was an antihistamine or for acid reflux.
Gotcha, I had missed that in Mike's comment. Famotidine is for reflux, and I'm not sure about the antihistamine comment. Reflux is often associated with larger abdomens as in overweight individuals and pregnant women. President Trump is larger, so that very well could make sense.
"Over-the-counter famotidine is used to prevent and treat heartburn due to acid indigestion and sour stomach caused by eating or drinking certain foods or drinks. Famotidine is in a class of medications called H2 blockers. It works by decreasing the amount of acid made in the stomach."
No, it's an antihistamine. Not the one most think of, but it's also an antacid as well. It's an H2 antagonist, another type of antihistamine. In this case, it seems they are more interested in the antihistamine qualities (it has shown some promise against Covid-19). The melatonin seems it prevents anxiety and the Cytokine storm. They are looking at it as a therapeutic.
To me, it seems like it was progressing rapidly and potentially very bad. They are throwing the kitchen sink at it early.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H2_antagonist
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Kellyanne Conway, who left the White House last month but was at the reception for Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett last weekend, which is being eyed as a possible superspreader event, has announced she has tested positive for COVID.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2020/10/02/trump-biden-live-updates/
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »Kellyanne Conway, who left the White House last month but was at the reception for Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett last weekend, which is being eyed as a possible superspreader event, has announced she has tested positive for COVID.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2020/10/02/trump-biden-live-updates/
Yeah, it's a shame. Two very old gentlemen were seated next to Rev Jenkins, who also has it. Neither had masks. Some will likely die from this. So preventable and unfortunate. I expect Bill Barr to be announced next. He was seen talking to Kellyanne a lot at that event.
Ted Cruz was also seen whispering back and forth to Mike Lee on Thursday, so he should be worried as well.6 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »Kellyanne Conway, who left the White House last month but was at the reception for Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett last weekend, which is being eyed as a possible superspreader event, has announced she has tested positive for COVID.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2020/10/02/trump-biden-live-updates/
Yeah, it's a shame. Two very old gentlemen were seated next to Rev Jenkins, who also has it. Neither had masks. Some will likely die from this. So preventable and unfortunate. I expect Bill Barr to be announced next. He was seen talking to Kellyanne a lot at that event.
Ted Cruz was also seen whispering back and forth to Mike Lee on Thursday, so he should be worried as well.
Yes, about an hour before I heard about Kellyanne I saw a video of her leaning in close to Barr and whispering in his ear. Don't have that but do have this:
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@MikePfirrman Very interesting, so apparently that drug has multiple uses or is being used off label. Very interesting to see the doctor's selections and the "why's". I am hoping that your logical assumption, that they are treating aggressively due to rapid COVID progression, is wrong. I'm hoping they are just trying to get ahead of what "could happen". Time will tell.
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@MikePfirrman That song, Garden Party, was the first thing on my mind this morning. Garden parties aren't everything. Hugs and kisses all around. Oooo, brother.
No one can prognosticate what's going to happen in the future. Out here in the wild, wild west you grow up learning how to trust your instincts. We're bent on survival. I don't have a peaceful easy feeling. I'm not a waiting-for-the-other-shoe-to-drop kind of person but I can almost see it fall.
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Diatonic12 wrote: »@MikePfirrman That song, Garden Party, was the first thing on my mind this morning. Garden parties aren't everything. Hugs and kisses all around. Oooo, brother.
No one can prognosticate what's going to happen in the future. Out here in the wild, wild west you grow up learning how to trust your instincts. We're bent on survival. I don't have a peaceful easy feeling. I'm not a waiting-for-the-other-shoe-to-drop kind of person but I can almost see it fall.
Oh sweetie. Keep being positive. I'll be there if you need a hand any time. I totally believe in staying positive through all of this crap. If you need anything ever tell me and I'll send it no problem. If you need just a virtual hug I'm here. We just have to ignore the jerks. I know everything will be fine soon.3 -
@MikePfirrman & @SModa61 Thanks to both of you for the info!2
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kshama2001 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »Kellyanne Conway, who left the White House last month but was at the reception for Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett last weekend, which is being eyed as a possible superspreader event, has announced she has tested positive for COVID.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2020/10/02/trump-biden-live-updates/
Yeah, it's a shame. Two very old gentlemen were seated next to Rev Jenkins, who also has it. Neither had masks. Some will likely die from this. So preventable and unfortunate. I expect Bill Barr to be announced next. He was seen talking to Kellyanne a lot at that event.
Ted Cruz was also seen whispering back and forth to Mike Lee on Thursday, so he should be worried as well.
Yes, about an hour before I heard about Kellyanne I saw a video of her leaning in close to Barr and whispering in his ear. Don't have that but do have this:
Barr has tested negative but still no planing to quarantine. At least he is wearing a mask now...
"Asked Saturday why Barr isn't quarantining after news of Conway's positive Covid results, the Justice Department reiterated to CNN that Barr had tested negative on Friday. Justice Department spokeswoman Kerri Kupec later said Barr had again tested negative.
The attorney general was seen leaving the White House on Saturday wearing a mask. He had gone there on Friday and Saturday to get Covid tests -- both of which were negative. Barr will continue to self monitor and get tested, according to the Justice Department."
Pence has also tested negative, but he also decided not to quarantine. C. Christie, has tested positive too. In the mean time, conflict information about Trumps' medical condition is coming out from unknown sources and what ever the medical team projects in TV. Who knows who is really running the country!2 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »@MikePfirrman That song, Garden Party, was the first thing on my mind this morning. Garden parties aren't everything. Hugs and kisses all around. Oooo, brother.
No one can prognosticate what's going to happen in the future. Out here in the wild, wild west you grow up learning how to trust your instincts. We're bent on survival. I don't have a peaceful easy feeling. I'm not a waiting-for-the-other-shoe-to-drop kind of person but I can almost see it fall.
Oh sweetie. Keep being positive. I'll be there if you need a hand any time. I totally believe in staying positive through all of this crap. If you need anything ever tell me and I'll send it no problem. If you need just a virtual hug I'm here. We just have to ignore the jerks. I know everything will be fine soon.
No, things will not "be fine soon." And wanting to know the truth doesn't make people jerks, it makes them/me/us concerned citizen seeking the right information. Jerks are the ones that want to overshadow the reality of the pandemic and those that do not follow health directives, but make mockery of those that do.
One can be hopeful that things will "eventually" get better, while admitting and facing the reality of the situation, and condemning the actions of those that make the situation worse.
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@MikePfirrman Very interesting, so apparently that drug has multiple uses or is being used off label. Very interesting to see the doctor's selections and the "why's". I am hoping that your logical assumption, that they are treating aggressively due to rapid COVID progression, is wrong. I'm hoping they are just trying to get ahead of what "could happen". Time will tell.
My best guess, and I'm certainly not a scientist, is that Trump initially was listening to his main influencer, Scott Atlas, and later what the docs were telling him at Walter Reed. My guess is that the H2 Histamine blocker and the melatonin were Atlas' idea and the antibody cocktail was a "what the heck, it can't hurt" and the Remdesivir was the docs at Walter Reed.
What I find amusing and somewhat scary after all this time is, aside from the antibody cocktail and the Remdesivir, it's literally a "let's try this and that" approach because it can't hurt, and what most Americans might try at home. They likely have steroids awaiting as well if it gets any worse. But at this point, at least if we're hearing the truth, there isn't a whole lot more they can do that they haven't done.
The danger is, we heard the same feedback about Herman Cain. "Doing well, seems to be not that bad". It's a very unpredictable disease. And someone can quickly get much worse. Especially someone with as many preexisting conditions.
I do find it astounding that I'm hearing it's a 50/50 mix of maskers and anti-maskers still in the US, even after all of this. All of this stuff to reduce the viral load. Something else reduces the viral load from the onset. It's called a flippin' mask.
I try not to be completely cynical when it comes to the masses' collective intelligence. But it's times like these that test my cynical nature.11 -
Me too, Mike, me too. My first thought after Trump's positive diagnosis was well, at least now everybody will be smarter about masking up. But that's not happening; it's still a choice at the WH whether one wants to wear a mask or not.
Are You Kidding Me???? Have we not listened and learned anything?? What will it take? 6 -
@MikePfirrman
Is it possible that the mix that appears hit or miss, could be what Walter Reed actually put together? You can that I tend to lean optimistic, even though I am a major cynic.
Totally agree with the unpredictable nature. And then on top of it, these news reports are all vying for "a story" and I am having a hard time parsing when true, and what's false.
This morning there was a discussion about Trump's pre-existing conditions, they mentioned his age and weight, but then said that his "most dangerous" condition is being male. I was very surprised by that.
Problem with the masks is they got pulled into political divisiveness and have become a statement. Or at least, that is my thought.
(Haha, getting to the end, i noticed we both called ourselves cynics.
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Diatonic12 wrote: »@MikePfirrman That song, Garden Party, was the first thing on my mind this morning. Garden parties aren't everything. Hugs and kisses all around. Oooo, brother.
No one can prognosticate what's going to happen in the future. Out here in the wild, wild west you grow up learning how to trust your instincts. We're bent on survival. I don't have a peaceful easy feeling. I'm not a waiting-for-the-other-shoe-to-drop kind of person but I can almost see it fall.
Oh sweetie. Keep being positive. I'll be there if you need a hand any time. I totally believe in staying positive through all of this crap. If you need anything ever tell me and I'll send it no problem. If you need just a virtual hug I'm here. We just have to ignore the jerks. I know everything will be fine soon.
No, things will not "be fine soon." And wanting to know the truth doesn't make people jerks, it makes them/me/us concerned citizen seeking the right information. Jerks are the ones that want to overshadow the reality of the pandemic and those that do not follow health directives, but make mockery of those that do.
One can be hopeful that things will "eventually" get better, while admitting and facing the reality of the situation, and condemning the actions of those that make the situation worse.
I believe things will be fine soon so believe whatever you like and I will too. Wash your hands, distance and keep wearing a mask.10 -
He just tweeted a new video. He says he is feeling okay but the next couple of days will be the real test. He definitely looks under the weather, but that is to be expected.
I thought it was weird the press was harping on if he was ever on oxygen. He hasn't been now or the past 2 days. Most patients with any type of respiratory illness are initially given oxygen whether they need it or not. They give oxygen to pretty much everyone who is admitted so I thought it was weird they kept asking like it would make any difference or mean anything.3 -
Me too, Mike, me too. My first thought after Trump's positive diagnosis was well, at least now everybody will be smarter about masking up. But that's not happening; it's still a choice at the WH whether one wants to wear a mask or not. Are You Kidding Me???? Have we not listened and learned anything?? What will it take?
Today, heard one of his supporters interviewed on NPR, who was asked point-blank whether she though Trump ought to have worn a mask. She said "no" because it was everyone's individual choice. (This is not an word for word quote, but i promise that it's an accurate representation of what she said.)
Please note, in the interest of the "no politics" rules here, that I'm not offering any opinon in this post about the woman interviewed, her opinions, or anything else. I'm just reporting an interview I heard, as neutrally as possible.9 -
Apparently Hope Hicks said she was one of the more consistent mask wearers in the WH and was upset that others did not wear them and sneered at those who did. She also was apparently upset that initially it seemed that people were throwing her under the bus as the person who infected Trump when it now seems they were likely infected at the same time. WH has said they aren't changing from the less accurate 15 min tests to the apparently more accurate 45 min tests or a mask mandate.This morning there was a discussion about Trump's pre-existing conditions, they mentioned his age and weight, but then said that his "most dangerous" condition is being male. I was very surprised by that.
It was entirely avoidable that masks got portrayed as a political statement.
It is true that men on average seem to do more poorly than women, although maybe women get tested more to explain the stats.4 -
One of the reasons for his medical team throwing so many yet unproven treatments at him is probably because they are trying to avoid putting DT in a ventilator and in an medical induced coma. Trump would have to pass the baton to Pence for as long as necessary and I don't think that he wants to relinquish his power.
Besides, once in a ventilator and specially at his age, his treatment and recovery could be much lengthy and difficult. Just my opinion...3 -
Apparently Hope Hicks said she was one of the more consistent mask wearers in the WH and was upset that others did not wear them and sneered at those who did. She also was apparently upset that initially it seemed that people were throwing her under the bus as the person who infected Trump when it now seems they were likely infected at the same time. WH has said they aren't changing from the less accurate 15 min tests to the apparently more accurate 45 min tests or a mask mandate.This morning there was a discussion about Trump's pre-existing conditions, they mentioned his age and weight, but then said that his "most dangerous" condition is being male. I was very surprised by that.
It was entirely avoidable that masks got portrayed as a political statement.
It is true that men on average seem to do more poorly than women, although maybe women get tested more to explain the stats.
I was looking at our local stats the other day and women were more than half of those infected but substantially less than half of deaths. There’s been discussion that estrogen is in some way protective but that doesn’t make sense to me since the difference is just as large in menopausal women.5 -
Apparently Hope Hicks said she was one of the more consistent mask wearers in the WH and was upset that others did not wear them and sneered at those who did. She also was apparently upset that initially it seemed that people were throwing her under the bus as the person who infected Trump when it now seems they were likely infected at the same time. WH has said they aren't changing from the less accurate 15 min tests to the apparently more accurate 45 min tests or a mask mandate.This morning there was a discussion about Trump's pre-existing conditions, they mentioned his age and weight, but then said that his "most dangerous" condition is being male. I was very surprised by that.
It was entirely avoidable that masks got portrayed as a political statement.
It is true that men on average seem to do more poorly than women, although maybe women get tested more to explain the stats.
I don't know that it has any relevance, but observation of those around me (personal circle and what I see in stores and such) is that men are slightly more likely to be mask objectors, chin maskers, and that sort of thing. There are also signs that viral load (how many viable viral bits hit a person effectively) is a factor in seriousness of infection. No idea if this holds generally, or is meaningful (vs. biological factors of some sort) in the differences between the sexes, but it's a thing I've been wondering about.3 -
^this thinking coincides with the view point that more women take their health more seriously - go for annual checkups/go to the doctor/dentist, etc., more than men. Men are more likely to lead 'riskier' lifestyles too.9
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