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Something else starting to happen. If the ICU nurses start to burn out and quit, we're all screwed. I can't say I blame them. It's like war conditions for them.
There's an ICU nurse on Twitter that put up she just clocked out and quit. So many more nurses are saying, "I'm right behind you...". Health care workers have been abused during this crisis and they are at their breaking point.12 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »Something else starting to happen. If the ICU nurses start to burn out and quit, we're all screwed. I can't say I blame them. It's like war conditions for them.
There's an ICU nurse on Twitter that put up she just clocked out and quit. So many more nurses are saying, "I'm right behind you...". Health care workers have been abused during this crisis and they are at their breaking point.
I'd be so angry if I were an overworked and exhausted ICU nurse hearing about all the people refusing to take simple precautions like wearing masks and avoiding large gatherings...19 -
Toilet paper hoarding is apparently happening again at Kroger. There aren't shortages, but the store is implementing limits to prevent the hoarding they are observing.
Edit: Link https://www.10tv.com/article/news/local/kroger-limiting-purchases-on-paper-towels-toilet-paper-to-prevent-hoarding/530-9a27b476-b91f-4e86-a7e1-b14ac2357a973 -
kshama2001 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Something else starting to happen. If the ICU nurses start to burn out and quit, we're all screwed. I can't say I blame them. It's like war conditions for them.
There's an ICU nurse on Twitter that put up she just clocked out and quit. So many more nurses are saying, "I'm right behind you...". Health care workers have been abused during this crisis and they are at their breaking point.
I'd be so angry if I were an overworked and exhausted ICU nurse hearing about all the people refusing to take simple precautions like wearing masks and avoiding large gatherings...
Or screamed at, in their faces, as they did in AZ, told "you're fake news" or "you're not a real nurse...". Yep, that happened here.
From Canada -- https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/1-700-quebec-nurses-have-quit-during-the-pandemic-says-union-1.5108013
From the UK -- 2/3 are considering leaving nursing. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8204609/Three-five-nurses-say-verge-QUITTING-jobs-coronavirus-crisis.html
Have to think the numbers are worse in the US.7 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »Something else starting to happen. If the ICU nurses start to burn out and quit, we're all screwed. I can't say I blame them. It's like war conditions for them.
There's an ICU nurse on Twitter that put up she just clocked out and quit. So many more nurses are saying, "I'm right behind you...". Health care workers have been abused during this crisis and they are at their breaking point.
That combined with all the HC workers dying from covid is another long term issue we will have to deal with. Add in young people who might have been considering going into emergency medicine who have watched this unfold and changed their minds. All of the emergency beds in the world are of no use without enough well trained and compassionate pros to man them. I hope enough of them hang in there until vaccines start to hit the market and maybe the national environment ummm changes.7 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »NY just ordered all gyms and restaurants closed at 10pm on Friday. No more take out liquor. I'm having a sad.
So update on that... the governor meant a 10 o clock curfew on gyms and restaurants. Makes no sense since most gyms already close by that time and restaurants have to close by midnight.
Our state numbers are up to 2.9% positive. Arbitrary rules make no sense to me.6 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »NY just ordered all gyms and restaurants closed at 10pm on Friday. No more take out liquor. I'm having a sad.
So update on that... the governor meant a 10 o clock curfew on gyms and restaurants. Makes no sense since most gyms already close by that time and restaurants have to close by midnight.
Our state numbers are up to 2.9% positive. Arbitrary rules make no sense to me.
Does he not realise the virus is active 24 hours a day? Unbelievable. Also if they stop take out liquor some that are desperate will start smashing there way into the shops to get some.2 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »NY just ordered all gyms and restaurants closed at 10pm on Friday. No more take out liquor. I'm having a sad.
So update on that... the governor meant a 10 o clock curfew on gyms and restaurants. Makes no sense since most gyms already close by that time and restaurants have to close by midnight.
Our state numbers are up to 2.9% positive. Arbitrary rules make no sense to me.
Does he not realise the virus is active 24 hours a day? Unbelievable. Also if they stop take out liquor some that are desperate will start smashing there way into the shops to get some.
1) I expect the behavior of people still in bars and restaurants from 10 p.m. to midnight is different from people during the hours that dinner is normally served. Those people are much more likely to be there just to drink, which loosens inhibitions, and likely loosens compliance with protocols like wearing your mask when you aren't actually eating or drinking, and staying at your own table rather than going around the room trying to chat up good-looking strangers. (I've occasionally had to try to find someplace for dinner at nine-ish when traveling for business, and pretty much any sit-down place that is open at that hour isn't serving meals anymore.)
2) the alcohol restriction is just for restaurants with liquor licenses on carryout and delivery orders after 10 p.m. You can get food delivered, but you can't get alcohol delivered from a restaurant after 10 p.m. It's nothing to do with "shops" that sell alcohol, so no need for people to start smashing their way in.7 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »NY just ordered all gyms and restaurants closed at 10pm on Friday. No more take out liquor. I'm having a sad.
So update on that... the governor meant a 10 o clock curfew on gyms and restaurants. Makes no sense since most gyms already close by that time and restaurants have to close by midnight.
Our state numbers are up to 2.9% positive. Arbitrary rules make no sense to me.
Does he not realise the virus is active 24 hours a day? Unbelievable. Also if they stop take out liquor some that are desperate will start smashing there way into the shops to get some.
1) I expect the behavior of people still in bars and restaurants from 10 p.m. to midnight is different from people during the hours that dinner is normally served. Those people are much more likely to be there just to drink, which loosens inhibitions, and likely loosens compliance with protocols like wearing your mask when you aren't actually eating or drinking, and staying at your own table rather than going around the room trying to chat up good-looking strangers. (I've occasionally had to try to find someplace for dinner at nine-ish when traveling for business, and pretty much any sit-down place that is open at that hour isn't serving meals anymore.)
2) the alcohol restriction is just for restaurants with liquor licenses on carryout and delivery orders after 10 p.m. You can get food delivered, but you can't get alcohol delivered from a restaurant after 10 p.m. It's nothing to do with "shops" that sell alcohol, so no need for people to start smashing their way in.
1) I was thinking of gyms mostly but of course I get what you are saying about bars etc...
2) Good to hear about the alcohol. We never have been able to get alcohol delivered from restaurants until recently so to me I carry out to me means a different thing. We don't use those terms here usually. Also supermarkets don't sell alcohol over here. We have to go into what is called a "bottle shop" to buy wine etc.. they only sell alcohol there other than a few little snacks like nuts.5 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »NY just ordered all gyms and restaurants closed at 10pm on Friday. No more take out liquor. I'm having a sad.
So update on that... the governor meant a 10 o clock curfew on gyms and restaurants. Makes no sense since most gyms already close by that time and restaurants have to close by midnight.
Our state numbers are up to 2.9% positive. Arbitrary rules make no sense to me.
Does he not realise the virus is active 24 hours a day? Unbelievable. Also if they stop take out liquor some that are desperate will start smashing there way into the shops to get some.
1) I expect the behavior of people still in bars and restaurants from 10 p.m. to midnight is different from people during the hours that dinner is normally served. Those people are much more likely to be there just to drink, which loosens inhibitions, and likely loosens compliance with protocols like wearing your mask when you aren't actually eating or drinking, and staying at your own table rather than going around the room trying to chat up good-looking strangers. (I've occasionally had to try to find someplace for dinner at nine-ish when traveling for business, and pretty much any sit-down place that is open at that hour isn't serving meals anymore.)
2) the alcohol restriction is just for restaurants with liquor licenses on carryout and delivery orders after 10 p.m. You can get food delivered, but you can't get alcohol delivered from a restaurant after 10 p.m. It's nothing to do with "shops" that sell alcohol, so no need for people to start smashing their way in.
1) I was thinking of gyms mostly but of course I get what you are saying about bars etc...
2) Good to hear about the alcohol. We never have been able to get alcohol delivered from restaurants until recently so to me I carry out to me means a different thing. We don't use those terms here usually.
Sorry, I totally missed the gyms. Completely agree with on the stupidity of a curfew for gyms. People need to be active for their health, and if a gym can afford to staff itself for longer hours, that means usage can be spread out over more hours and the gyms hopefully won't be pushing up against whatever capacity limits are in place.
Yeah, takeout drinks from a restaurant -- especially cocktails in plastic cups with lids -- is a new thing here (mid-Atlantic coast U.S.), too. It's only been the last few years that they started letting you take an unfinished bottle of wine home (which probably cuts down on DUI, since people don't feel compelled to finish off a bottle in the restaurant just to keep from wasting money). I haven't taken advantage of it, but I think it's a good idea, and lets people support the bartenders at their local spots.4 -
I ordered an oximeter from Amazon but it seemed very inaccurate. Would read my husbands, but not mine. Sent it back. Got one from Walmart that seems a lot better.1
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RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »I ordered an oximeter from Amazon but it seemed very inaccurate. Would read my husbands, but not mine. Sent it back. Got one from Walmart that seems a lot better.
As the article that's been posted says, look more for trends than actual number. If you know a baseline, then if it drops significantly, you know you should seek medical attention.6 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Wife go exposed to Covid a couple days ago. She's a speech therapist and works in multiple schools in different districts. A mom brought in a 3 year old to see her. The kids had constant nasel drainage which the mom said was seasonal allergies. They did a 30 minute session around a small table. My wife and the kid's mom wore masks, the kid didn't'.
Wife gets a call from the mom yesterday. After the speech session she decided to take the kid to the doctor because he seems sick. Doctor made the mom and kid both Covid test. The mom called my wife yesterday saying she turned up positive (kid tested negative). During the day before she was contacted she was in close contact (1-1) with 15 students in 3 different schools.
Pretty easy to see how this can spread.
It would not hurt to take Zinc, Quercetin, Vit D and Vit C. I'm glad she was wearing a mask the entire time. We will be thinking of you and hoping for the best. Keep us informed with what's going on. Also, supplements like Elderberry won't hurt either.9 -
@Theoldguy1 I don't know why people do this. The sickest I've ever been in my life was from being around people who told me 'It's only allergies' when it's just a cover for being sick as a dog and not wanting to stay home where they belong. It really gives me a serious pinch. Anyone says that to me now, I run like hail.11
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WTH I was all set to get back to helping my sister on Monday when dh's test came back(assuming it came out negative). Now instead of 2-3 days, they told him it'll be 5-7 days.
And I agree Diatonic, either allergy or teething germs used to run amok through out my daycare.
We'd all catch them
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WTH I was all set to get back to helping my sister on Monday when dh's test came back(assuming it came out negative). Now instead of 2-3 days, they told him it'll be 5-7 days.
And I agree Diatonic, either allergy or teething germs used to run amok through out my daycare. We'd all catch them
That's a bummer. I feel for you. The first time my daughter tested was after a confirmed exposure this summer, and her results took 14 & 16 days (tested twice 2 days apart, as 2 negs were recommended before normal contact back then). The exposure was 5 days prior to her first test, so both results came after her quarantine was over. Totally useless. And because it was useless, a waste of testing resources. Also a wasted effort was her 2 weeks of isolation and 3 other family members' 2 week quarantine. Really, a modicum, of project management could make the whole testing situation so much more useful.9 -
WTH I was all set to get back to helping my sister on Monday when dh's test came back(assuming it came out negative). Now instead of 2-3 days, they told him it'll be 5-7 days.
And I agree Diatonic, either allergy or teething germs used to run amok through out my daycare. We'd all catch them
That's a bummer. I feel for you. The first time my daughter tested was after a confirmed exposure this summer, and her results took 14 & 16 days (tested twice 2 days apart, as 2 negs were recommended before normal contact back then). The exposure was 5 days prior to her first test, so both results came after her quarantine was over. Totally useless. And because it was useless, a waste of testing resources. Also a wasted effort was her 2 weeks of isolation and 3 other family members' 2 week quarantine. Really, a modicum, of project management could make the whole testing situation so much more useful.
Wow, talk about putting your life on hold.
It's frustrating to go through all that but then see photos of people everywhere, no proper masking, groups of a lot of people together, etc. Looking at our local paper this a.m., there were quite a few photos of sports teams, masks around their neck, hugging and jumping, I just do NOT understand. And this, after over 90 positive cases just a couple of weeks ago, all stemming from a hockey game. SMH Everybody says 'but you can't shut schools and sports down'. Well, if something drastic isn't done soon, I feel it'll happen eventually anyways.
I have a question though: dh tested this a.m. and received a bunch of information. I read through it all and still cannot figure out if *I* can go get groceries or not?? It only mentioned if a person tests positive or has been around anyone testing positive, from what I can see. He has not tested positive, has not been around anyone(that he knows of) that tested positive, AND he feels better today with no fever. Figures huh??
I mean I'm glad he's acting fine today, I really am 
but still life is on hold. I always wear a mask, keep my distance and use hand sanitizer. Now I'm realizing how NOT stocked up we are. 9 -
WTH I was all set to get back to helping my sister on Monday when dh's test came back(assuming it came out negative). Now instead of 2-3 days, they told him it'll be 5-7 days.
And I agree Diatonic, either allergy or teething germs used to run amok through out my daycare. We'd all catch them
That's a bummer. I feel for you. The first time my daughter tested was after a confirmed exposure this summer, and her results took 14 & 16 days (tested twice 2 days apart, as 2 negs were recommended before normal contact back then). The exposure was 5 days prior to her first test, so both results came after her quarantine was over. Totally useless. And because it was useless, a waste of testing resources. Also a wasted effort was her 2 weeks of isolation and 3 other family members' 2 week quarantine. Really, a modicum, of project management could make the whole testing situation so much more useful.
Wow, talk about putting your life on hold.
It's frustrating to go through all that but then see photos of people everywhere, no proper masking, groups of a lot of people together, etc. Looking at our local paper this a.m., there were quite a few photos of sports teams, masks around their neck, hugging and jumping, I just do NOT understand. And this, after over 90 positive cases just a couple of weeks ago, all stemming from a hockey game. SMH Everybody says 'but you can't shut schools and sports down'. Well, if something drastic isn't done soon, I feel it'll happen eventually anyways.
I have a question though: dh tested this a.m. and received a bunch of information. I read through it all and still cannot figure out if *I* can go get groceries or not?? It only mentioned if a person tests positive or has been around anyone testing positive, from what I can see. He has not tested positive, has not been around anyone(that he knows of) that tested positive, AND he feels better today with no fever. Figures huh?? I mean I'm glad he's acting fine today, I really am but still life is on hold. I always wear a mask, keep my distance and use hand sanitizer. Now I'm realizing how NOT stocked up we are.
Might be a good week to have groceries delivered just to be on the safe side (if you have that option near you). If not, think about asking a friend.
I'm glad he's feeling better! Likely all the years at the high school helped him be exposed to everything under the sun. I hope you stay well.4 -
WTH I was all set to get back to helping my sister on Monday when dh's test came back(assuming it came out negative). Now instead of 2-3 days, they told him it'll be 5-7 days.
And I agree Diatonic, either allergy or teething germs used to run amok through out my daycare. We'd all catch them
That's a bummer. I feel for you. The first time my daughter tested was after a confirmed exposure this summer, and her results took 14 & 16 days (tested twice 2 days apart, as 2 negs were recommended before normal contact back then). The exposure was 5 days prior to her first test, so both results came after her quarantine was over. Totally useless. And because it was useless, a waste of testing resources. Also a wasted effort was her 2 weeks of isolation and 3 other family members' 2 week quarantine. Really, a modicum, of project management could make the whole testing situation so much more useful.
In NM, it is the results from private testing that are taking the longest. If you get tested at a DOH site results are typically within 2-3 days. The downside is that the drive through testing lines are a longer wait than going to a private site.
I was sick a couple of weeks ago...I didn't really know at first, but I went to the office and I popped on the thermometer coming in. They manually took it four more times because I told them I felt completely fine and kept popping so they sent me home and I had to get tested. I didn't really start feeling bad until later that day...it was pretty minor but somewhat consistent with people I've known who've had mild symptoms.
I ended up testing negative, but after a couple of days I still hadn't been texted or emailed my results and couldn't find them online. I let a couple more days pass and after 5 days I found a number for the DOH specifically for COVID related questions. I called, and they had my results and had them for a few days already, but they are so backlogged with testing that even when they get the results they can't get them out fast enough to people. He advised me to tell anyone I know that is awaiting results to call if they haven't received them in 3 days because they are most likely in, just not disseminated.
Not sure how it works elsewhere, but that's what's going on in NM.8 -
I checked the Sam's Club site to see the status of paper goods. Out of paper towels but toilet paper was still available online, although not at the local store.
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »NY just ordered all gyms and restaurants closed at 10pm on Friday. No more take out liquor. I'm having a sad.
So update on that... the governor meant a 10 o clock curfew on gyms and restaurants. Makes no sense since most gyms already close by that time and restaurants have to close by midnight.
Our state numbers are up to 2.9% positive. Arbitrary rules make no sense to me.
The argument for bars/restaurants that serve alcohol makes some sense to me, based on the idea that as people linger and drink more it's harder to enforce the rules. The gym thing is just bizarre.3 -
WTH I was all set to get back to helping my sister on Monday when dh's test came back(assuming it came out negative). Now instead of 2-3 days, they told him it'll be 5-7 days.
And I agree Diatonic, either allergy or teething germs used to run amok through out my daycare. We'd all catch them
That's a bummer. I feel for you. The first time my daughter tested was after a confirmed exposure this summer, and her results took 14 & 16 days (tested twice 2 days apart, as 2 negs were recommended before normal contact back then). The exposure was 5 days prior to her first test, so both results came after her quarantine was over. Totally useless. And because it was useless, a waste of testing resources. Also a wasted effort was her 2 weeks of isolation and 3 other family members' 2 week quarantine. Really, a modicum, of project management could make the whole testing situation so much more useful.
Wow, talk about putting your life on hold.
It's frustrating to go through all that but then see photos of people everywhere, no proper masking, groups of a lot of people together, etc. Looking at our local paper this a.m., there were quite a few photos of sports teams, masks around their neck, hugging and jumping, I just do NOT understand. And this, after over 90 positive cases just a couple of weeks ago, all stemming from a hockey game. SMH Everybody says 'but you can't shut schools and sports down'. Well, if something drastic isn't done soon, I feel it'll happen eventually anyways.
I have a question though: dh tested this a.m. and received a bunch of information. I read through it all and still cannot figure out if *I* can go get groceries or not?? It only mentioned if a person tests positive or has been around anyone testing positive, from what I can see. He has not tested positive, has not been around anyone(that he knows of) that tested positive, AND he feels better today with no fever. Figures huh?? I mean I'm glad he's acting fine today, I really am but still life is on hold. I always wear a mask, keep my distance and use hand sanitizer. Now I'm realizing how NOT stocked up we are.
My sister's SO was notified that he had been exposed and got tested on Wednesday. The test is supposed to come back tomorrow, and I hope it does. She's self quarantining and not going to the grocery or anything.
(She doesn't have a car so is stressing about how to get tested if the other test does come back positive, but most likely here there are testing places in walking distance and she can call to ask how to do it.)3 -
@MikePfirrman Re the oximeter, yes, I am just watching for my normal daily (have relatively controlled asthma) instead of watching for a particular number, so will watch for big variation. The one that didn't work would read a number for husband, but would not even give me a number.
The 12-15 yr age group seems to be really hit right now here.
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »NY just ordered all gyms and restaurants closed at 10pm on Friday. No more take out liquor. I'm having a sad.
So update on that... the governor meant a 10 o clock curfew on gyms and restaurants. Makes no sense since most gyms already close by that time and restaurants have to close by midnight.
Our state numbers are up to 2.9% positive. Arbitrary rules make no sense to me.
The argument for bars/restaurants that serve alcohol makes some sense to me, based on the idea that as people linger and drink more it's harder to enforce the rules. The gym thing is just bizarre.
It's just seems too little too late... lingering during the summer I saw. Lingering around outside during a NYC winter I do not see.4 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »WTH I was all set to get back to helping my sister on Monday when dh's test came back(assuming it came out negative). Now instead of 2-3 days, they told him it'll be 5-7 days.
And I agree Diatonic, either allergy or teething germs used to run amok through out my daycare. We'd all catch them
That's a bummer. I feel for you. The first time my daughter tested was after a confirmed exposure this summer, and her results took 14 & 16 days (tested twice 2 days apart, as 2 negs were recommended before normal contact back then). The exposure was 5 days prior to her first test, so both results came after her quarantine was over. Totally useless. And because it was useless, a waste of testing resources. Also a wasted effort was her 2 weeks of isolation and 3 other family members' 2 week quarantine. Really, a modicum, of project management could make the whole testing situation so much more useful.
Wow, talk about putting your life on hold.
It's frustrating to go through all that but then see photos of people everywhere, no proper masking, groups of a lot of people together, etc. Looking at our local paper this a.m., there were quite a few photos of sports teams, masks around their neck, hugging and jumping, I just do NOT understand. And this, after over 90 positive cases just a couple of weeks ago, all stemming from a hockey game. SMH Everybody says 'but you can't shut schools and sports down'. Well, if something drastic isn't done soon, I feel it'll happen eventually anyways.
I have a question though: dh tested this a.m. and received a bunch of information. I read through it all and still cannot figure out if *I* can go get groceries or not?? It only mentioned if a person tests positive or has been around anyone testing positive, from what I can see. He has not tested positive, has not been around anyone(that he knows of) that tested positive, AND he feels better today with no fever. Figures huh?? I mean I'm glad he's acting fine today, I really am but still life is on hold. I always wear a mask, keep my distance and use hand sanitizer. Now I'm realizing how NOT stocked up we are.
Found this:
Common question
What if I have been around someone who was identified as a close contact to a person with COVID-19?
If you have been around someone who was identified as a close contact to a person with COVID-19, closely monitor yourself for any symptoms of COVID-19. You do not need to self-quarantine unless you develop symptoms or if the person identified as a close contact develops COVID-19.
Nov 5, 2020
Coronavirus (COVID-19) frequently asked questions | CDC
That said, might not be a bad idea to act like you have it.
Thank you all for your replies; guess it's better to be safe than sorry. I certainly don't want to be that person creating a new local wave of sickness.
Also found out today if he ends up positive, my sister needs to let her home health care agency know right away because that means they cannot send anybody into her home. She has to self-quarantine for 2 weeks as well because up until a couple of days ago, I've been going to help her every day. Keeping my fingers crossed for oh so many reasons that he's negative. The fact that he looks, acts, feels fine today is a good sign, right? I feel if he had contracted it, it would hit him hard, being an overweight 69 yo smoker. 11 -
Good news from down under.
Whole of Australia: new cases yesterday: 12. Not a typo.
6 of those were locally acquired - ie community transmission
6 were overseas acquired - no risk to community as those people are in supervised hotel quarantine for 14 days - as are all people returning from anywhere overseas (except maybe New Zealand, not sure)9 -
paperpudding wrote: »Good news from down under.
Whole of Australia: new cases yesterday: 12. Not a typo.
6 of those were locally acquired - ie community transmission
6 were overseas acquired - no risk to community as those people are in supervised hotel quarantine for 14 days - as are all people returning from anywhere overseas (except maybe New Zealand, not sure)
Yup, some states are letting us in due to our low risk status. We're not reciprocating as of yet, but those Aus numbers are looking good for the two way bubble happening soon. That will take some pressure off our currently at capacity MIQ facilities.
As a complete contrast to the rest of the world, this is Auckland City this morning, following a new community case announced yesterday (most likely connected to another recent case of a Defence Force person who contracted it working at the Auckland quarantine hotel, based on preliminary genome testing, but no clear connection as to how/where the connection between the two is). No lockdown, CBD workers have just been advised to work from home if possible.
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paperpudding wrote: »Good news from down under.
Whole of Australia: new cases yesterday: 12. Not a typo.
6 of those were locally acquired - ie community transmission
6 were overseas acquired - no risk to community as those people are in supervised hotel quarantine for 14 days - as are all people returning from anywhere overseas (except maybe New Zealand, not sure)
@paperpudding -- I'm happy for you that you have leadership there.11 -
Oh, and everyone (like, the entire country) is giving the absolute stink-eye to the new case's employer (clothing store), who made them go into work despite being symptomatic and awaiting COVID test results (case is a 20 year old student).6
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