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When you've had Covid, aren't you supposed to be immune for 3+ months? Some articles mentioned maybe up to 8 months but the least amount of time I saw was 3.
I was in quarantine with Covid over Thanksgiving, came out that Saturday right after Thanksgiving.
Woke up this a.m. with a scratchy throat and a bit hoarse. AFAIK I haven't been around any sickness whatsoever but that's not really meaningful. Ugh, Guess I'm calling my healthcare provider this a.m. to ask what to do.
Problem is I'm supposed to stay with my BIL tomorrow so that my sister can go to an appt. Dang I hate this!
They don't know how long naturally acquired immunity really lasts yet. They had tested people with confirmed diagnoses after 3 months and still had antibodies so it sounds like they are confident at least up to that point. Continued testing suggests at least 8 months now, but they don't know if that's typical or not
It could be all sorts of things, but it is so easy right now to think every cough might be covid. Hopefully it's nothing!4 -
There may be fewer colds and flus circulating now, but the viruses haven't disappeared. Odds are that's what you have. I read an article this morning that said they expect a rebound of flu infections once people start relaxing after Covid is less of a threat.1
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The Virginia DOH just unveiled a web survey to determine which eligibility group you are in and sign up for text/email alerts when your group is eligible. I am... not in a group lol. Instead of a group designation I was told I would be eligible once 1a 1b and 1c were complete and doses are widely available. So... get comfortable in your hidey hole Kim.
My dad is 1b due to being 76. My mom is 74 which defaults to 1c but her medical conditions might put her in 1b so I'm anxious for her to take the survey. Our county is still in 1a, some other VA counties have started 1b.6 -
https://ktla.com/news/coronavirus/who-covid-19-herd-immunity-unlikely-in-2021-despite-vaccines/amp/
WHO predicts herd immunity in 2021 unlikely.2 -
I've been hearing naturally acquired immunity is not a given after all cases of covid.
A 23 year old Paramedic we know had covid back in the late summer relatively mildly only to have it again! She was really ill but not hospitalised over Christmas. She is now said back at work. I know she is in a job which is high risk but she is an example lightning does strike twice even with ppe. She's showing such a commitment to the community in which she lives and works.
There are so many levels involved how one reacts immunologically to covid, from asymptomatic through to full hospitalisation. The suggestion here, UK, the persons reaction is based on the amount of the virus they are subjected to, the greater the contamination the worse someone is. The scientists I've heard in the media, are uncertain how much immunity is achieved for each person, it seems its such a variable situation which is why the vaccine is so important.11 -
The Virginia DOH just unveiled a web survey to determine which eligibility group you are in and sign up for text/email alerts when your group is eligible. I am... not in a group lol. Instead of a group designation I was told I would be eligible once 1a 1b and 1c were complete and doses are widely available. So... get comfortable in your hidey hole Kim.
My dad is 1b due to being 76. My mom is 74 which defaults to 1c but her medical conditions might put her in 1b so I'm anxious for her to take the survey. Our county is still in 1a, some other VA counties have started 1b.
This is my "group" too, I think of it as the "everyone else" group.
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Thanks all I talked with a nurse at the clinic and she said it's highly unlikely I've got Covid again; if it gets worse to call them back. She suggested I take meds. for allergies. I feel like I get this virus every winter, hoarseness and scratchy throat, nothing else. But since everything has to be questioned this year I figured I had to call.
I never got a repeat test to make sure I was Covid free. They said I had to quarantine for 14 days and be symptom free for 24 hours so that's what I did. It's so different everywhere you go. Unity would go a long way towards taking the confusion out of this.
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It is crazy how different protocols and procedures are from place to place. My friend ended up on a month long quarantine thanks to how the NC health dept. handled her family’s case (husband brought it home from work) - husband was confirmed, the wife and children all came down with it as well within days but didn’t bother getting tested. When they finally called her a week later (contact list) she was already feeling better and they said because she didn’t have a positive test on file they don’t know for sure that it’s what they had so their quarantine restarted when her husband’s ended. Here in WV when my son tested positive (asymptomatic for CoVID, went in for strep which he also had. No idea where he picked up either, maybe from hubby at work as well) we were told no one else would need to test, any symptoms were assumed positive and said 10 day quarantine for my son, 14 day for everyone else and must be fever free for 24 hours. Health department made one attempt to reach me, a solid week after his test, which I missed the call because I was in another room - they didn’t leave a message nor did they attempt to contact again.Thanks all I talked with a nurse at the clinic and she said it's highly unlikely I've got Covid again; if it gets worse to call them back. She suggested I take meds. for allergies. I feel like I get this virus every winter, hoarseness and scratchy throat, nothing else. But since everything has to be questioned this year I figured I had to call.
I never got a repeat test to make sure I was Covid free. They said I had to quarantine for 14 days and be symptom free for 24 hours so that's what I did. It's so different everywhere you go. Unity would go a long way towards taking the confusion out of this.
(ETA it was a generic 866 number, assumed it was a junk call, didn’t think to reverse search it until a week later when I realized I hadn’t heard from anyone).8 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »When you've had Covid, aren't you supposed to be immune for 3+ months? Some articles mentioned maybe up to 8 months but the least amount of time I saw was 3.
I was in quarantine with Covid over Thanksgiving, came out that Saturday right after Thanksgiving.
Woke up this a.m. with a scratchy throat and a bit hoarse. AFAIK I haven't been around any sickness whatsoever but that's not really meaningful. Ugh, Guess I'm calling my healthcare provider this a.m. to ask what to do.
Problem is I'm supposed to stay with my BIL tomorrow so that my sister can go to an appt. Dang I hate this!
Allergies? Dry winter air? I have had half a nose with post nasal drop that gets re-triggered at each of my winter walks. It, at times, can also irritate my throat. Hope all is well for you!
Thanks for your reply.
I'm suspecting the start of a cold, which usually doesn't move my sickness worry meter at all but..........
I've already sent my sister a text, which I hate the most about it. She doesn't ask a whole lot of me; I have to sometimes push my help on her(she's that kind of person) and this 1 time she actually asked...:(
I worked out in the wind several days before my annual eye exam and got my sinuses irritated. I called 8 hours before my appointment to let them know so they could reschedule and was told to keep my appointment because it's winter and they are seeing patients with sinus infections if their temperature is normal and it checked out fine.
Because I read newly mutated version can replicate in the throat I go bed a 16 oz of pomegranate juice by the bed and take a slug if my throat doesn't feel good after reading about it's antiviral activity.
Keep your appointment. I had an ENT f/up scheduled for 12/31/2020 and I was planning to cancel it but I noticed that my chronic headaches were different and I had lots of postnasal drips.
The doctor did a deep (very, very deep), nostril examination and found heavy yellowish almost green mucus wayyy up my sinuses (sorry for TMI). I was on antibiotics for 10 days. I am glad that I kept the appointment because the doctor caught it at the beginning and saved me from a bad sinus infection. Been there, had that, and I don't want to go there again. Hope that you are well soon.10 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »I live for disagrees
All kind of information out making it seem as if AZ is the worst place on the planet, and it might be. I dunno know. I'm just glad I'm a semi hermit. We are going to San Diego next week to see my son (and celebrate our 30th Anniversary). That's the son that already had Covid, so at least I believe we're good seeing him. We are renting an AirBnB and pretty much going to behave just like we do here -- eat at home, buy groceries and order take out and that's about it. The only difference being that we'll be two blocks from Seal Beach in La Jolla while doing it. I'm thinking for extra good measure, I'll take a can or two of Lysol just to spray in the place when we get there and then open up the windows and let it air out. Oh, and we'll drive. It's only around 6 hours from here to there. I actually quite enjoy the drive through the sand dunes to the mountains and then down to the ocean.
California is likely safer than AZ right now with most everything being shut down.
I live in the same region as San Diego as far as COVID goes. And everything is shut down here, too. Southern California region has 0% ICU bed availability and everything is shut. Four out of the five regions of CA (all but Northern CA) are in this position, unfortunately. I’m not even sure if the outside part of the zoo is open.
You can still hike and walk on the beach. Eagle Rock is a fav of mine in San Diego for hiking. CA also just instituted a 120 mile travel ban (no going farther than that).
It’s bad here. My colleague’s grandpa had a heart attack and was in the ambulance for eight hours. Lives in north LA and they finally found him a bed down here in Orange County. Paramedics have instructions to keep resuscitating in the field, but not to transport if the patient likely won’t make it due to loss of heart beat.
Please travel safe and stay safe.8 -
janejellyroll wrote: »The Virginia DOH just unveiled a web survey to determine which eligibility group you are in and sign up for text/email alerts when your group is eligible. I am... not in a group lol. Instead of a group designation I was told I would be eligible once 1a 1b and 1c were complete and doses are widely available. So... get comfortable in your hidey hole Kim.
My dad is 1b due to being 76. My mom is 74 which defaults to 1c but her medical conditions might put her in 1b so I'm anxious for her to take the survey. Our county is still in 1a, some other VA counties have started 1b.
This is my "group" too, I think of it as the "everyone else" group.
I thought I was in this everyone else group, but a friend and co-worker just pointed out that we are technically in 1c, since under IL's definition (which is pretty broad, but I think it is most places), we are essential workers. Hmm.0 -
Well, this is not good news. Another article right above this one saying the same thing.
https://apple.news/Ak4Tjp_XUTPitWihWKl2dKg1 -
@Psychgrrl it sounds serious to me. Hope we're not lining up for a new vaccine every 6-12 months.1
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Lining up for a repeat vaccine every 12 months would be no different to annual flu vaccine.
I don't see that as a big deal.14 -
paperpudding wrote: »Lining up for a repeat vaccine every 12 months would be no different to annual flu vaccine.
I don't see that as a big deal.
From what I've heard that's what it's going to be. May as well get used to it.5 -
The problem right now is getting to the point where everyone is vaccinated. There’s a long way to go to get there though.
It’s no different than getting an annual flu shot, so shouldn’t be an issue at all. Except for cost, for uninsured or if insurance doesn’t cover the cost. In the US, long overdue for a universal health care system.12 -
I don't understand why the vaccine rollout is so terrible. Sounds like some places have extra doses while other places don't have enough. I feel like the phased approach is holding things back in places with extra doses. Those places where they have enough vaccine, but can't give it to anyone because they haven't been told to go on to the next phase yet. Someone needs to take inventory and just get these shots to people. Maybe deploy the national guards and train them to give injections. 100K soildiers working 12 hrs per day would have these vaccines done much sooner. Only question is supply to do that.8
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While my part of Indiana is no where NEAR where I would be in line, my local health department did reach out and allow some people (including myself) to sign up on a wait list. If someone fails to show up for their appointment or for whatever reason they have extra doses they don't want to waste, they will contact you to come in and get it. You have to be able to respond within 30 minutes or they will go to the next person on the list. Since I am work from home, that is not a problem for me so I signed up. You also have to be a resident of the city and match a few risk criteria.13
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snowflake954 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Lining up for a repeat vaccine every 12 months would be no different to annual flu vaccine.
I don't see that as a big deal.
From what I've heard that's what it's going to be. May as well get used to it.
From what I've heard none of the variants so far have been shown to make the vaccines ineffective.
Better to wait and see rather than speculate or assume.
For example not seen any reliable source say that the new variant that emerged in England currently causing horrendous infection rates in the UK requires any change to the vaccines currently being rolled out.
Some good news.....
Vaccination is proceeding at a good pace in the UK, 2.4 million doses received by 2 million people. We don't seem to have the widespread fear of vaccination that are troubling others countries.9 -
snowflake954 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Lining up for a repeat vaccine every 12 months would be no different to annual flu vaccine.
I don't see that as a big deal.
From what I've heard that's what it's going to be. May as well get used to it.
It'll be a big deal if we have to wear masks and/or continue to social distance in addition to getting a vaccine every 6-12 months. And since we are still being told we need to do those things in addition to getting the vaccine I find this very likely.
Plus how many people don't get the flu vaccine? Most of the people I know who work for companies who do not require it don't bother with it. Plus you can still get the flu even if you do take it since it's a virus and they mutate.
In general we were told that a vaccine would get us back to "normal" but people are realizing that is not the case and is unlikely to be the case. Maybe we can't get back to "normal" ever again, but we aren't even going to be close to normal and for many this isn't acceptable.
I currently don't have a plan to get the vaccine. I'm all for those who wanting it to get it, but for me there's too much unknown about it and I'd rather wait until we actually know the long term effects and efficiency before committing to it. Though as I work in healthcare, though not front lines, I have a feeling work will require it as they do the annual flu shot.
To the person who posted about California - California has some of the strictest restrictions in the US so what's the explanation for why there is such a severe breakout there? Here in IN we seem to have gone through an outbreak, but when the pt's are questioned they all say they are compliant. Physicians are commenting on the fact that anecdotally they are not seeing non-compliant people getting Covid. My sister in law's mom was hospitalized for Covid after Thanksgiving - she social distanced, wore a mask when leaving the house, and washed her hands all the time but her son brought it home from work (they live together). And he's hugely into following all the restrictions so he wore his mask, washed his hands etc and so did the person who spread the Covid. If we are following the guidelines and still getting Covid which is going to make continuing to follow these guidelines very difficult for some people as why are they going through this and losing their livihood for nothing?10 -
snowflake954 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Lining up for a repeat vaccine every 12 months would be no different to annual flu vaccine.
I don't see that as a big deal.
From what I've heard that's what it's going to be. May as well get used to it.
It'll be a big deal if we have to wear masks and/or continue to social distance in addition to getting a vaccine every 6-12 months. And since we are still being told we need to do those things in addition to getting the vaccine I find this very likely.
Plus how many people don't get the flu vaccine? Most of the people I know who work for companies who do not require it don't bother with it. Plus you can still get the flu even if you do take it since it's a virus and they mutate.
In general we were told that a vaccine would get us back to "normal" but people are realizing that is not the case and is unlikely to be the case. Maybe we can't get back to "normal" ever again, but we aren't even going to be close to normal and for many this isn't acceptable.
I currently don't have a plan to get the vaccine. I'm all for those who wanting it to get it, but for me there's too much unknown about it and I'd rather wait until we actually know the long term effects and efficiency before committing to it. Though as I work in healthcare, though not front lines, I have a feeling work will require it as they do the annual flu shot.
To the person who posted about California - California has some of the strictest restrictions in the US so what's the explanation for why there is such a severe breakout there? Here in IN we seem to have gone through an outbreak, but when the pt's are questioned they all say they are compliant. Physicians are commenting on the fact that anecdotally they are not seeing non-compliant people getting Covid. My sister in law's mom was hospitalized for Covid after Thanksgiving - she social distanced, wore a mask when leaving the house, and washed her hands all the time but her son brought it home from work (they live together). And he's hugely into following all the restrictions so he wore his mask, washed his hands etc and so did the person who spread the Covid. If we are following the guidelines and still getting Covid which is going to make continuing to follow these guidelines very difficult for some people as why are they going through this and losing their livihood for nothing?
We (currently) have to do these things in addition to getting vaccinated because there are still so many unvaccinated people. If you're right and people don't bother to take basic precautionary steps like getting vaccinated, then this may be more drawn out.
If things aren't going "back to normal" due to low vaccination rates and that's unacceptable, what's the alternate plan being proposed? There are people who are complaining about things like wearing masks AND they're complaining about the unknowns of vaccinations. What's the alternative exactly?21 -
janejellyroll wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Lining up for a repeat vaccine every 12 months would be no different to annual flu vaccine.
I don't see that as a big deal.
From what I've heard that's what it's going to be. May as well get used to it.
It'll be a big deal if we have to wear masks and/or continue to social distance in addition to getting a vaccine every 6-12 months. And since we are still being told we need to do those things in addition to getting the vaccine I find this very likely.
Plus how many people don't get the flu vaccine? Most of the people I know who work for companies who do not require it don't bother with it. Plus you can still get the flu even if you do take it since it's a virus and they mutate.
In general we were told that a vaccine would get us back to "normal" but people are realizing that is not the case and is unlikely to be the case. Maybe we can't get back to "normal" ever again, but we aren't even going to be close to normal and for many this isn't acceptable.
I currently don't have a plan to get the vaccine. I'm all for those who wanting it to get it, but for me there's too much unknown about it and I'd rather wait until we actually know the long term effects and efficiency before committing to it. Though as I work in healthcare, though not front lines, I have a feeling work will require it as they do the annual flu shot.
To the person who posted about California - California has some of the strictest restrictions in the US so what's the explanation for why there is such a severe breakout there? Here in IN we seem to have gone through an outbreak, but when the pt's are questioned they all say they are compliant. Physicians are commenting on the fact that anecdotally they are not seeing non-compliant people getting Covid. My sister in law's mom was hospitalized for Covid after Thanksgiving - she social distanced, wore a mask when leaving the house, and washed her hands all the time but her son brought it home from work (they live together). And he's hugely into following all the restrictions so he wore his mask, washed his hands etc and so did the person who spread the Covid. If we are following the guidelines and still getting Covid which is going to make continuing to follow these guidelines very difficult for some people as why are they going through this and losing their livihood for nothing?
We (currently) have to do these things in addition to getting vaccinated because there are still so many unvaccinated people. If you're right and people don't bother to take basic precautionary steps like getting vaccinated, then this may be more drawn out.
If things aren't going "back to normal" due to low vaccination rates and that's unacceptable, what's the alternate plan being proposed? There are people who are complaining about things like wearing masks AND they're complaining about the unknowns of vaccinations. What's the alternative exactly?
At some point if it doesn't change I imagine people will just refuse to comply anymore honestly. As it is it's getting harder and harder to see an end point with all the new information that comes out. We were promised in March 2 weeks to slow the spread, then more and longer shut downs, mask mandates, social distancing requirements etc but only til a vaccine comes out so there was a light at the end of the tunnel. But now it's coming out that this isn't going to be the thing that lets us go back to normal, people getting vaccinated can't stop doing the guidelines (I get why, but that doesn't make it something anyone wants to do), and we are finding our hospitals overwhelmed even with following the rules. Do you really think this is sustainable for another year? Because it's being tossed around we won't be able to get more back to normal for another year - and then if we have to get the vaccine every year or 6 months will we continually have to go back to 2020 guidelines? How are people supposed to work or support themselves? What will we do to address the huge rise in mental health issues due to all this isolation? This is not sustainable for much longer.11 -
janejellyroll wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Lining up for a repeat vaccine every 12 months would be no different to annual flu vaccine.
I don't see that as a big deal.
From what I've heard that's what it's going to be. May as well get used to it.
It'll be a big deal if we have to wear masks and/or continue to social distance in addition to getting a vaccine every 6-12 months. And since we are still being told we need to do those things in addition to getting the vaccine I find this very likely.
Plus how many people don't get the flu vaccine? Most of the people I know who work for companies who do not require it don't bother with it. Plus you can still get the flu even if you do take it since it's a virus and they mutate.
In general we were told that a vaccine would get us back to "normal" but people are realizing that is not the case and is unlikely to be the case. Maybe we can't get back to "normal" ever again, but we aren't even going to be close to normal and for many this isn't acceptable.
I currently don't have a plan to get the vaccine. I'm all for those who wanting it to get it, but for me there's too much unknown about it and I'd rather wait until we actually know the long term effects and efficiency before committing to it. Though as I work in healthcare, though not front lines, I have a feeling work will require it as they do the annual flu shot.
To the person who posted about California - California has some of the strictest restrictions in the US so what's the explanation for why there is such a severe breakout there? Here in IN we seem to have gone through an outbreak, but when the pt's are questioned they all say they are compliant. Physicians are commenting on the fact that anecdotally they are not seeing non-compliant people getting Covid. My sister in law's mom was hospitalized for Covid after Thanksgiving - she social distanced, wore a mask when leaving the house, and washed her hands all the time but her son brought it home from work (they live together). And he's hugely into following all the restrictions so he wore his mask, washed his hands etc and so did the person who spread the Covid. If we are following the guidelines and still getting Covid which is going to make continuing to follow these guidelines very difficult for some people as why are they going through this and losing their livihood for nothing?
We (currently) have to do these things in addition to getting vaccinated because there are still so many unvaccinated people. If you're right and people don't bother to take basic precautionary steps like getting vaccinated, then this may be more drawn out.
If things aren't going "back to normal" due to low vaccination rates and that's unacceptable, what's the alternate plan being proposed? There are people who are complaining about things like wearing masks AND they're complaining about the unknowns of vaccinations. What's the alternative exactly?
At some point if it doesn't change I imagine people will just refuse to comply anymore honestly. As it is it's getting harder and harder to see an end point with all the new information that comes out. We were promised in March 2 weeks to slow the spread, then more and longer shut downs, mask mandates, social distancing requirements etc but only til a vaccine comes out so there was a light at the end of the tunnel. But now it's coming out that this isn't going to be the thing that lets us go back to normal, people getting vaccinated can't stop doing the guidelines (I get why, but that doesn't make it something anyone wants to do), and we are finding our hospitals overwhelmed even with following the rules. Do you really think this is sustainable for another year? Because it's being tossed around we won't be able to get more back to normal for another year - and then if we have to get the vaccine every year or 6 months will we continually have to go back to 2020 guidelines? How are people supposed to work or support themselves? What will we do to address the huge rise in mental health issues due to all this isolation? This is not sustainable for much longer.
Nobody promised me two weeks, so I'm not sure where that is coming from. Even when we were being told that we were looking at a month or two, there were (very loud) people who were vocalizing their unwillingness to comply, people who had to be forced to wear masks, people who were doing everything they could to show that they didn't want to change their behavior. That's why this is dragging out, because we never agreed as a society to give it our best shot.
If people refuse to comply and refuse to get vaccinated, that would be truly unfortunate, but the past few months of shown me some of us have really overestimated how much others will consider the more vulnerable among us.
The hospitals aren't overwhelmed WITH us following the rules. They're overwhelmed because people are still having large gatherings like weddings or family dinners, because they're vacationing, because they think the rules don't apply to them or because they're just sick of following the rules.
I have no doubt there are some people who are sick of following the guidelines. I'm pretty sick of them myself (although I will continue to do it). But if the alternative is for people to reject the vaccination and for us to give up on stopping any spread, that's not a viable option.26 -
In Indiana at the start the whole thing was 2 weeks to slow the spread - and then they kept extending it. When I go out places here everyone I see is wearing a mask and physicians are reporting both to pts and in their progress notes that the pt is compliant with the current guidelines. My sister in law's mother said when she was in the hospital her doctor said all his patients had reported following guidelines. Around here we have a few families who would normally have full driveways and cars on the street around the holidays which were completely absent this year - I'm not convinced that this new surge in cases is because of non-compliant people but instead that these measures don't really work as advertised and only serve to make us feel better and like we are doing something.
Regardless this isn't sustainable since we are in month 9-10 with no end in sight.7 -
In Indiana at the start the whole thing was 2 weeks to slow the spread - and then they kept extending it. When I go out places here everyone I see is wearing a mask and physicians are reporting both to pts and in their progress notes that the pt is compliant with the current guidelines. My sister in law's mother said when she was in the hospital her doctor said all his patients had reported following guidelines. Around here we have a few families who would normally have full driveways and cars on the street around the holidays which were completely absent this year - I'm not convinced that this new surge in cases is because of non-compliant people but instead that these measures don't really work as advertised and only serve to make us feel better and like we are doing something.
Regardless this isn't sustainable since we are in month 9-10 with no end in sight.
How many threads do you see on this site where people can't lose weight while eating 1200 calories. And generally the answer is that they are not eating 1200 calories. People are not good at self reporting behavior. My mother will tell you she is compliant, and she believes it. But she isn't.
It's still possible to get Covid even though you wear a mask and try to social distance. It's not 100 percent effective. But if you're saying only compliant people are getting it, that's ridiculous.
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snowflake954 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Lining up for a repeat vaccine every 12 months would be no different to annual flu vaccine.
I don't see that as a big deal.
From what I've heard that's what it's going to be. May as well get used to it.
It'll be a big deal if we have to wear masks and/or continue to social distance in addition to getting a vaccine every 6-12 months. And since we are still being told we need to do those things in addition to getting the vaccine I find this very likely.
Plus how many people don't get the flu vaccine? Most of the people I know who work for companies who do not require it don't bother with it. Plus you can still get the flu even if you do take it since it's a virus and they mutate.
In general we were told that a vaccine would get us back to "normal" but people are realizing that is not the case and is unlikely to be the case. Maybe we can't get back to "normal" ever again, but we aren't even going to be close to normal and for many this isn't acceptable.
I currently don't have a plan to get the vaccine. I'm all for those who wanting it to get it, but for me there's too much unknown about it and I'd rather wait until we actually know the long term effects and efficiency before committing to it. Though as I work in healthcare, though not front lines, I have a feeling work will require it as they do the annual flu shot.
To the person who posted about California - California has some of the strictest restrictions in the US so what's the explanation for why there is such a severe breakout there? Here in IN we seem to have gone through an outbreak, but when the pt's are questioned they all say they are compliant. Physicians are commenting on the fact that anecdotally they are not seeing non-compliant people getting Covid. My sister in law's mom was hospitalized for Covid after Thanksgiving - she social distanced, wore a mask when leaving the house, and washed her hands all the time but her son brought it home from work (they live together). And he's hugely into following all the restrictions so he wore his mask, washed his hands etc and so did the person who spread the Covid. If we are following the guidelines and still getting Covid which is going to make continuing to follow these guidelines very difficult for some people as why are they going through this and losing their livihood for nothing?
CA has been, from day one, following the CDCs advice. AZ has not. Twice as many people have died in AZ as in CA per capita. The numbers don't lie. This, despite the fact that CA has some of the most compact population centers in the country. The governor of CA has saved lives. Wish I could say the same for the governor of AZ, who can't even set the example and put on a mask for a press conference.
Schools are opening back up here. Gyms are open. Hell, I went by a movie theatre the other day that was open. And we have the worst new cases in the world. Yet folks like you are still anti-science and anti-masking.
Worked out so well for N Dakota and S Dakota -- two states that are now in the top five for deaths per capita, which is insane considering how rural the states are. Both led by "individual freedom" governors that didn't want to listen to the CDC.
The East Coast states didn't know what hit them. That's why they were hit so hard initially. But there's been no excuse for some of the other states in the US. There's also a reason Ohio is better than Indiana. One governor put restrictions in place, the other didn't.
Sorry, I'm losing patience with anti-science, anti-common sense.
The "this isn't sustainable" part applies in two areas -- healthcare and the rest of the regular business areas. Pick your poison. If you just say, let's all go maskless and do whatever, the hospitals will just say, "go home and die". Is that sustainable? You don't seem to have many answers for that.
We are between a rock and a hard place. Spouting how everyone will just go back to regular out of frustration doesn't help. We know some of them will, but with time, more vaccines and more exposure, it will get gradually better. No one is going to wave a wand and make it all go away.
And as far as people reporting they followed "guidelines" -- many go to eat in restaurants and eat inside or go to the gyms -- exactly the stuff that, under political pressure, has been allowed, not only for economic reasons, but also to keep people like yourself from throwing a temper tantrum.30 -
janejellyroll wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Lining up for a repeat vaccine every 12 months would be no different to annual flu vaccine.
I don't see that as a big deal.
From what I've heard that's what it's going to be. May as well get used to it.
It'll be a big deal if we have to wear masks and/or continue to social distance in addition to getting a vaccine every 6-12 months. And since we are still being told we need to do those things in addition to getting the vaccine I find this very likely.
Plus how many people don't get the flu vaccine? Most of the people I know who work for companies who do not require it don't bother with it. Plus you can still get the flu even if you do take it since it's a virus and they mutate.
In general we were told that a vaccine would get us back to "normal" but people are realizing that is not the case and is unlikely to be the case. Maybe we can't get back to "normal" ever again, but we aren't even going to be close to normal and for many this isn't acceptable.
I currently don't have a plan to get the vaccine. I'm all for those who wanting it to get it, but for me there's too much unknown about it and I'd rather wait until we actually know the long term effects and efficiency before committing to it. Though as I work in healthcare, though not front lines, I have a feeling work will require it as they do the annual flu shot.
To the person who posted about California - California has some of the strictest restrictions in the US so what's the explanation for why there is such a severe breakout there? Here in IN we seem to have gone through an outbreak, but when the pt's are questioned they all say they are compliant. Physicians are commenting on the fact that anecdotally they are not seeing non-compliant people getting Covid. My sister in law's mom was hospitalized for Covid after Thanksgiving - she social distanced, wore a mask when leaving the house, and washed her hands all the time but her son brought it home from work (they live together). And he's hugely into following all the restrictions so he wore his mask, washed his hands etc and so did the person who spread the Covid. If we are following the guidelines and still getting Covid which is going to make continuing to follow these guidelines very difficult for some people as why are they going through this and losing their livihood for nothing?
We (currently) have to do these things in addition to getting vaccinated because there are still so many unvaccinated people. If you're right and people don't bother to take basic precautionary steps like getting vaccinated, then this may be more drawn out.
If things aren't going "back to normal" due to low vaccination rates and that's unacceptable, what's the alternate plan being proposed? There are people who are complaining about things like wearing masks AND they're complaining about the unknowns of vaccinations. What's the alternative exactly?
At some point if it doesn't change I imagine people will just refuse to comply anymore honestly. As it is it's getting harder and harder to see an end point with all the new information that comes out. We were promised in March 2 weeks to slow the spread, then more and longer shut downs, mask mandates, social distancing requirements etc but only til a vaccine comes out so there was a light at the end of the tunnel. But now it's coming out that this isn't going to be the thing that lets us go back to normal, people getting vaccinated can't stop doing the guidelines (I get why, but that doesn't make it something anyone wants to do), and we are finding our hospitals overwhelmed even with following the rules. Do you really think this is sustainable for another year? Because it's being tossed around we won't be able to get more back to normal for another year - and then if we have to get the vaccine every year or 6 months will we continually have to go back to 2020 guidelines? How are people supposed to work or support themselves? What will we do to address the huge rise in mental health issues due to all this isolation? This is not sustainable for much longer.
Never heard anyone promise anything about 2 weeks to slow the spread...just looking at what was going on in the world around us at that time would have made any such promise ridiculous, and even the CDC said any notion of just two weeks was ridiculous.
We aren't really going to get back to "normal" until there is herd immunity...that will involve many people being vaccinated as well as infected and recovered individuals having some immunity. Herd immunity isn't 100% immunity...it's a high enough portion of the population having some kind of immunity as to have lesser symptoms if they get sick and prevention of many others not getting sick at all, to the point where the virus doesn't can be managed in regards to hospital capacity and resources, etc.
The notion that the vaccine would roll out and everything would be instantly back to normal is ridiculous as it is so very few people right now...so yeah...people have to wear a mask in public and socially distance...I personally don't think that is such a great burden to go to the store and not be up in someone's grill.23 -
janejellyroll wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Lining up for a repeat vaccine every 12 months would be no different to annual flu vaccine.
I don't see that as a big deal.
From what I've heard that's what it's going to be. May as well get used to it.
It'll be a big deal if we have to wear masks and/or continue to social distance in addition to getting a vaccine every 6-12 months. And since we are still being told we need to do those things in addition to getting the vaccine I find this very likely.
Plus how many people don't get the flu vaccine? Most of the people I know who work for companies who do not require it don't bother with it. Plus you can still get the flu even if you do take it since it's a virus and they mutate.
In general we were told that a vaccine would get us back to "normal" but people are realizing that is not the case and is unlikely to be the case. Maybe we can't get back to "normal" ever again, but we aren't even going to be close to normal and for many this isn't acceptable.
I currently don't have a plan to get the vaccine. I'm all for those who wanting it to get it, but for me there's too much unknown about it and I'd rather wait until we actually know the long term effects and efficiency before committing to it. Though as I work in healthcare, though not front lines, I have a feeling work will require it as they do the annual flu shot.
To the person who posted about California - California has some of the strictest restrictions in the US so what's the explanation for why there is such a severe breakout there? Here in IN we seem to have gone through an outbreak, but when the pt's are questioned they all say they are compliant. Physicians are commenting on the fact that anecdotally they are not seeing non-compliant people getting Covid. My sister in law's mom was hospitalized for Covid after Thanksgiving - she social distanced, wore a mask when leaving the house, and washed her hands all the time but her son brought it home from work (they live together). And he's hugely into following all the restrictions so he wore his mask, washed his hands etc and so did the person who spread the Covid. If we are following the guidelines and still getting Covid which is going to make continuing to follow these guidelines very difficult for some people as why are they going through this and losing their livihood for nothing?
We (currently) have to do these things in addition to getting vaccinated because there are still so many unvaccinated people. If you're right and people don't bother to take basic precautionary steps like getting vaccinated, then this may be more drawn out.
If things aren't going "back to normal" due to low vaccination rates and that's unacceptable, what's the alternate plan being proposed? There are people who are complaining about things like wearing masks AND they're complaining about the unknowns of vaccinations. What's the alternative exactly?
At some point if it doesn't change I imagine people will just refuse to comply anymore honestly. As it is it's getting harder and harder to see an end point with all the new information that comes out. We were promised in March 2 weeks to slow the spread, then more and longer shut downs, mask mandates, social distancing requirements etc but only til a vaccine comes out so there was a light at the end of the tunnel. But now it's coming out that this isn't going to be the thing that lets us go back to normal, people getting vaccinated can't stop doing the guidelines (I get why, but that doesn't make it something anyone wants to do), and we are finding our hospitals overwhelmed even with following the rules. Do you really think this is sustainable for another year? Because it's being tossed around we won't be able to get more back to normal for another year - and then if we have to get the vaccine every year or 6 months will we continually have to go back to 2020 guidelines? How are people supposed to work or support themselves? What will we do to address the huge rise in mental health issues due to all this isolation? This is not sustainable for much longer.
You know, you've been on here before with lots of questions but never any answers or propositions other than --just let nature take it's course. Other countries that have done that are now in desperate straights and are bringing in tight controls. So, that doesn't seem like a solution to me. Have you got one?
Mankind has been in difficult conditions before and has always managed to pull through. Many times with a great deal of suffering. You don't want to suffer. Neither do I. But right now we're all just doing the best we can. As for getting vaccinated every year, or a booster, I'm 66. I get a flu shot every year. I'll just do the COVID one too, if that's what it takes to stay alive, and that's what we're talking about.21 -
@kushiel1 -- there was a local nurse that was new to Tucson. She would argue with anyone on Facebook or local media about how she knew, by being a nurse, that masks did nothing. She got pretty infamous around my area.
She died last week from Covid. She was in her 40s. She had preexisting conditions and would tell anyone that would listen how it was just the cold or the flu.18 -
I get most people don't like what I have to say and that's fine. But I do think that people accusing someone of being anti-masking or anti-science and accusing them of throwing a temper tantrum is not only not appropriate for an adult (remember a little kindness goes a long way and you don't have to respond if you don't like what someone said), but emblematic of the problem in our society today. Attacking people should NEVER be ok, and lets face it people do that all the time in this thread even if they don't use a specific name in the comment.
I took a long break from this thread and wish I had not come back because it just reminds me of how mean people are to those who think differently than what is considered acceptable to think.
And to think I once upon a time thought this would be a great community 14
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