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Y'all made me curious
I pulled these effectiveness figures from the CDC for reference:
Flu vaccine is typically 40-60% effective
HPV vaccine 86% in teens, 71% in adults
MMR is 93% for measles, 78% for mumps, and 97% for rubella
DTAP is 80-90% initially then drops slowly over time, is around 70% after four years
Chicken pox vaccine is 82%
Shingrix is 90% and stays above 85% for at least 4 years
Pneumonia vaccine is 60-70%
Fun!
Not that it matters where I am - the vaccine situation here is a *kitten* show. The Canadian government totally screwed up vaccine procurement and we will be over here still in lockdown and dying while the rest of the world is getting back to normal.
Or as the Canadian government puts it: "Everything is perfectly fine. We're doing a great job."
My favourite part is how they decided to require airline passengers to test and quarantine to prevent these new variants about 2 months after the variants were all over Canada.11 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »NM Governor just announced yesterday that public schools can resume in person learning on a hybrid schedule starting Feb 8. It will be up to individual districts as to whether or not they will. I'm in the largest school district in the state, so it'll be interesting to see what they do...hoping the kids will be able to go back though...a couple days out of the week is better than nothing.
Not necessarily for the teachers and their families. Even if teachers are vaccinated (most aren’t right now) the best information says they can still take it home to their families. As can the kids.
Some districts (Oklahoma) say the kids don’t have to wear masks indoors if they’re sitting six feet apart.
I am so scared for my teacher friends and their families.
I have a couple of friends who are teachers and I know quite a few teachers at my kids' school, and every single one of them is and has been ready to get back. The one's that don't want to can opt out. Masks are required in NM indoors and will also be required in school. They are also required outdoors in crowded public areas and any outdoor land/property maintained by a government entity.
Group A will be Monday and Tuesday...Wednesday is a deep clean day...group B on Thursday and Friday. Smaller classes and more separation. All NM private schools have been doing this since the fall and it hasn't been an issue.
From the sounds of things, most districts won't go back until the very end of February as they need time to ramp up. It is thought that by then, most teachers who want to be vaccinated will be. NM is 2nd in the nation in regards to per capita vaccine distribution and getting needles into arms. We've vaccinated roughly 10% of our population currently
My wife works with a number of districts that are in person. Since she is in a group (special ed, speech therapists, and physical therapists) that work more directly with special needs kids that sometimes can't or won't follow the rules they are some of the first to get the vaccine after the healthcare workers and nursing homes. She's supposed to wait another couple weeks since she just got past the quarantine period after contracting Covid.
My sister's SO is normally an occupational therapist in schools that have been closed. He's frustrated as he really can't do his job remotely and the kids in question are getting no services. In lieu of being able to do his job he's been reassigned to do work in hospitals, including in some cases with covid patients (when he started doing this he stopped seeing my sister for a while other than socially distanced, and he skipped our Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners as a result). He has now been vaccinated (it at least put him at the head of the line).
I can't really say what I think of the CTU, as that would be political, but I don't think they are currently being reasonable. And I think it's hurting poor kids, specifically. I am in a neighborhood where improving the schools (more successfully with the elementaries) has been a focus, and many of my neighbors also use the public schools, or did. They've been basically home-schooling in pods and aren't happy about it, but also their kids are unlikely to have been badly affected. The most at-risk kids are the ones who have totally dropped out or otherwise are getting no education.7 -
Not that it matters where I am - the vaccine situation here is a *kitten* show. The Canadian government totally screwed up vaccine procurement and we will be over here still in lockdown and dying while the rest of the world is getting back to normal.
Or as the Canadian government puts it: "Everything is perfectly fine. We're doing a great job."
My favourite part is how they decided to require airline passengers to test and quarantine to prevent these new variants about 2 months after the variants were all over Canada.
I also like how he keeps telling us not to worry we will still have the 4 million promised vaccines by the end of March. Unless they are gonna ship us like 3.5 million doses the last week of March it ain't gonna happen. Seems unlikely - but what do I know.3 -
Not that it matters where I am - the vaccine situation here is a *kitten* show. The Canadian government totally screwed up vaccine procurement and we will be over here still in lockdown and dying while the rest of the world is getting back to normal.
Agreed. Last I heard my health district had run out of vaccines and was cancelling scheduled appointments.
Thankfully my 87 year old mother got her first Pfizer shot last week. Her retirement home was in outbreak since Dec 29 so I was worried it might come too late for them, but somehow only staff members ever tested positive and not a single resident was infected.9 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »NM Governor just announced yesterday that public schools can resume in person learning on a hybrid schedule starting Feb 8. It will be up to individual districts as to whether or not they will. I'm in the largest school district in the state, so it'll be interesting to see what they do...hoping the kids will be able to go back though...a couple days out of the week is better than nothing.
Not necessarily for the teachers and their families. Even if teachers are vaccinated (most aren’t right now) the best information says they can still take it home to their families. As can the kids.
Some districts (Oklahoma) say the kids don’t have to wear masks indoors if they’re sitting six feet apart.
I am so scared for my teacher friends and their families.
I have a couple of friends who are teachers and I know quite a few teachers at my kids' school, and every single one of them is and has been ready to get back. The one's that don't want to can opt out. Masks are required in NM indoors and will also be required in school. They are also required outdoors in crowded public areas and any outdoor land/property maintained by a government entity.
Group A will be Monday and Tuesday...Wednesday is a deep clean day...group B on Thursday and Friday. Smaller classes and more separation. All NM private schools have been doing this since the fall and it hasn't been an issue.
From the sounds of things, most districts won't go back until the very end of February as they need time to ramp up. It is thought that by then, most teachers who want to be vaccinated will be. NM is 2nd in the nation in regards to per capita vaccine distribution and getting needles into arms. We've vaccinated roughly 10% of our population currently
Sounds like your districts have more effective safety plans than the ones where my friends are working (Michigan, Oklahoma, Florida) where they’re not doing what they should to protect anyone, frankly. Especially people with pre-existing conditions which make them more vulnerable to serious health risks as a result of COVID.
No one gets paid enough to literally die for their job.5 -
Y'all made me curious I pulled these effectiveness figures from the CDC for reference:
Flu vaccine is typically 40-60% effective
HPV vaccine 86% in teens, 71% in adults
MMR is 93% for measles, 78% for mumps, and 97% for rubella
DTAP is 80-90% initially then drops slowly over time, is around 70% after four years
Chicken pox vaccine is 82%
Shingrix is 90% and stays above 85% for at least 4 years
Pneumonia vaccine is 60-70%
Fun!
But don't those vaccines also reduce the severity if you are in the percentage that do get it? Even if the covid vaccines did that it would be worth getting it. My main fear at this point is getting sick enough to need care and the hospitals being full. So if a vaccine meant I got a milder illness even that would be great.
Not that it matters where I am - the vaccine situation here is a *kitten* show. The Canadian government totally screwed up vaccine procurement and we will be over here still in lockdown and dying while the rest of the world is getting back to normal.
Yes they certainly do.
So if one is vaccinated against a disease and then still gets it, it is almost always MUCH milder.
Still well worth having the vaccine.
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Not that it matters where I am - the vaccine situation here is a *kitten* show. The Canadian government totally screwed up vaccine procurement and we will be over here still in lockdown and dying while the rest of the world is getting back to normal.
Agreed. Last I heard my health district had run out of vaccines and was cancelling scheduled appointments.
Thankfully my 87 year old mother got her first Pfizer shot last week. Her retirement home was in outbreak since Dec 29 so I was worried it might come too late for them, but somehow only staff members ever tested positive and not a single resident was infected.
I don't know how you've coped all this time with her in an outbreak home, that must have been terrifying. 85% of our local deaths have been in a single LTC facility. I'm so glad she's managed to get her first dose!
My 81 year old father still lives somewhat independently in his own home and isn't even on the radar for vaccination yet.9 -
My husband (81 y.o.) got today his first Pfizer shot; second one scheduled for 2/20. So far so good, but let's see how he feels tomorrow
I am going next Tuesday. 14 -
Ugh. I know masks have been discussed to death. I have no clue which mask is THE mask but feel most offer at least some protection. I went into a convenience store yesterday, 50% in compliance. But what truly pinched my gut, was seeing a woman my sister knows. She can't weigh more than 80#, nothing to her, she's recently had throat cancer, a few months back, and she wasn't playing it safe. Then when she left, she stopped to hug another maskless individual outside.
Oh my lawd.16 -
Yikes! Stay away from her and tell your sister too. Unfortunately some people just don't get it.Ugh. I know masks have been discussed to death. I have no clue which mask is THE mask but feel most offer at least some protection. I went into a convenience store yesterday, 50% in compliance. But what truly pinched my gut, was seeing a woman my sister knows. She can't weigh more than 80#, nothing to her, she's recently had throat cancer, a few months back, and she wasn't playing it safe. Then when she left, she stopped to hug another maskless individual outside.
Oh my lawd.
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Many pages ago, I posted little blurbs about how the different vaccines work, and turns out I misunderstood how the mRNA vaccines work. I could find the post somewhere in the last 50 pages or so and quote it, but ain't nobody got time for that
Anyhoo, I thought the mRNA vaccines contained a spike protein from covid-19, but what they really have is instructions for how our own cells can make the spike protein.
So the vaccine is like a computer code with the Run command for this spike protein. It gets sucked into specific immune cells and they pop out this little part of the covid-19 virus. Then your immune system recognizes this protein as an intruder, develops antibodies to fight it, and kicks it out. Meanwhile, the instructions themselves are so fragile (that's why they have to be kept in deep freeze) that they disintegrate soon after being used.
This whole idea is so groundbreaking because theoretically the same vaccine can be used for all sorts of things, you just have to tweak the instructions being delivered. In fact, the hope is they can include multiple instructions in one shot, limiting the amount of times people need to get jabbed in general.
Wanted to post something vaguely hopeful, as the crapfest going on around us right now is depressing as heck. But hey, if covid-19 doesn't leave the world looking like The Stand, this could be a giant step forward in preventative medicine.22 -
Not that it matters where I am - the vaccine situation here is a *kitten* show. The Canadian government totally screwed up vaccine procurement and we will be over here still in lockdown and dying while the rest of the world is getting back to normal.
Agreed. Last I heard my health district had run out of vaccines and was cancelling scheduled appointments.
Thankfully my 87 year old mother got her first Pfizer shot last week. Her retirement home was in outbreak since Dec 29 so I was worried it might come too late for them, but somehow only staff members ever tested positive and not a single resident was infected.
I don't know how you've coped all this time with her in an outbreak home, that must have been terrifying. 85% of our local deaths have been in a single LTC facility. I'm so glad she's managed to get her first dose!
My 81 year old father still lives somewhat independently in his own home and isn't even on the radar for vaccination yet.
It was very stressful but she is in a semi-independent living retirement home which she has her own small unit and goes to downstairs to the dining room and for activities and meds. So it is a little easier to control the spread than in a long term care home where people are immobile and having more intense care. They were confined to their rooms and had their meals and meds delivered during the outbreak and by some miracle none of the residents got it, just several staff.10 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »NM Governor just announced yesterday that public schools can resume in person learning on a hybrid schedule starting Feb 8. It will be up to individual districts as to whether or not they will. I'm in the largest school district in the state, so it'll be interesting to see what they do...hoping the kids will be able to go back though...a couple days out of the week is better than nothing.
Not necessarily for the teachers and their families. Even if teachers are vaccinated (most aren’t right now) the best information says they can still take it home to their families. As can the kids.
Some districts (Oklahoma) say the kids don’t have to wear masks indoors if they’re sitting six feet apart.
I am so scared for my teacher friends and their families.
I have a couple of friends who are teachers and I know quite a few teachers at my kids' school, and every single one of them is and has been ready to get back. The one's that don't want to can opt out. Masks are required in NM indoors and will also be required in school. They are also required outdoors in crowded public areas and any outdoor land/property maintained by a government entity.
Group A will be Monday and Tuesday...Wednesday is a deep clean day...group B on Thursday and Friday. Smaller classes and more separation. All NM private schools have been doing this since the fall and it hasn't been an issue.
From the sounds of things, most districts won't go back until the very end of February as they need time to ramp up. It is thought that by then, most teachers who want to be vaccinated will be. NM is 2nd in the nation in regards to per capita vaccine distribution and getting needles into arms. We've vaccinated roughly 10% of our population currently
Sounds like your districts have more effective safety plans than the ones where my friends are working (Michigan, Oklahoma, Florida) where they’re not doing what they should to protect anyone, frankly. Especially people with pre-existing conditions which make them more vulnerable to serious health risks as a result of COVID.
No one gets paid enough to literally die for their job.
NM still has some of the most stringent restrictions in the US. We opened up a bit over the summer as our cases were pretty low...end of July had a 7 day rolling average of around 330 new cases per day. By early September we were down to a 7 day rolling average of around 88 new cases per day and there was a lot of pressure to open up further, including schools.
This is about the time when individuals started to become much more lax in their precautions...a lot more people out and about doing "normal" things...more people dining out where earlier in the summer people were more apprehensive even though indoor dining was open...more parties and large gatherings at home and public places, etc. We started spiking again in October and by Thanksgiving our 7 day rolling average had jumped over 2,500 per day, with many days having numbers over 3K per day.
We went into another stay at home "lockdown" about a week before Thanksgiving and have been in that position since. No indoor dining...limited outdoor patio dining...no bars are open...gyms open, but with substantial restrictions on occupancy as well as amenities that can be used, etc. The NM government is also trying their best to limit travel to NM for other states, which hurts as tourism is one of our largest industries. Of course, they can't straight up deny entry to the state...but there's nothing to do here, and the things that are open like the zoo, botanical gardens, state parks, etc are only open to NM residents and ID is required to enter these places.
No idea how much longer this will go on...but our numbers have dropped to a 7 day rolling average of around 700 as of yesterday. There has been a big push to re-open schools on at least a hybrid basis, even if we need to keep other restrictions such as indoor dining in place. Mid year reports across most school districts show a high failure rate with distance learning as well as growing mental health issues with children across the state that simply didn't exist at this level before. As well as we've done as a state with this virus, unfortunately, we are also leading the nation in childhood suicide.12 -
kshama2001 wrote: »We don't have a readout. A tech said it was set at the max, which is 130 degrees in my state, but when I measure it from the sink with a digital thermometer, I get 136.
This is something everyone should check regularly, how hot is it out of the tap. The heater may be off or someone may have fiddled with the setting after a cold shower. I had to do this when I worked in a youth group home, to prevent youths from getting accidentally scalded.1 -
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kshama2001 wrote: »We don't have a readout. A tech said it was set at the max, which is 130 degrees in my state, but when I measure it from the sink with a digital thermometer, I get 136.
This is something everyone should check regularly, how hot is it out of the tap. The heater may be off or someone may have fiddled with the setting after a cold shower. I had to do this when I worked in a youth group home, to prevent youths from getting accidentally scalded.
This is what I have been thinking about seeing these posts about water temps. I remember years ago a plumber setting our hot water heat to somewhere around 110 F, maybe as much as 114, but definitely well below 120, to avoid scalding, and this was in a household of adults, none of whom were mentally compromised. I had the impression it was either a county code or a professional best practices thing. It wasn't like the homeowner couldn't change it after he left, but there was no wink-wink on his part pointing that out.5 -
kshama2001 wrote: »We don't have a readout. A tech said it was set at the max, which is 130 degrees in my state, but when I measure it from the sink with a digital thermometer, I get 136.
This is something everyone should check regularly, how hot is it out of the tap. The heater may be off or someone may have fiddled with the setting after a cold shower. I had to do this when I worked in a youth group home, to prevent youths from getting accidentally scalded.
Maybe I'm a bit weird, anal or whatever but I typically turn tbe water on, let if run a bit then slowly move my hand towards the running water. If my hand starts to feel too hot i turn the temperature the faucet down.
Isn't that the typical way.to do it?11 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »We don't have a readout. A tech said it was set at the max, which is 130 degrees in my state, but when I measure it from the sink with a digital thermometer, I get 136.
This is something everyone should check regularly, how hot is it out of the tap. The heater may be off or someone may have fiddled with the setting after a cold shower. I had to do this when I worked in a youth group home, to prevent youths from getting accidentally scalded.
This is what I have been thinking about seeing these posts about water temps. I remember years ago a plumber setting our hot water heat to somewhere around 110 F, maybe as much as 114, but definitely well below 120, to avoid scalding, and this was in a household of adults, none of whom were mentally compromised. I had the impression it was either a county code or a professional best practices thing. It wasn't like the homeowner couldn't change it after he left, but there was no wink-wink on his part pointing that out.
My Dad was a pipefitter. Yes, it's a general practice thing to keep people from getting accidentally burned. I keep mine at 140 and you can get scalded if you're not careful.2 -
Back on the school transmission discussion.... There is one aspect I have not seen/read discussed. It is a correlation vs. causation concern.
Where kids attending in-person have lower infection rates than kids schooling remotely, the frequent explanation is that school infection rates reflect the community vs. driving community spread. In other words, kids catch it in the community and come to school with it, but they don't seem to be spreading it at school in a statistically significant way. So schools in communities with low infection are both more likely to be holding in person classes and more likely to have low infection rates. Likewise schools in communities with bad spread are both more likely to be remote only and more likely to have high infection rates.
I haven't seen wealth discrepancy discussed. Where I live, per capita infection by zip code very clearly shows a lot more spread in poor neighborhoods and very little in rich neighborhoods. The average public school student where I live qualifies for free breakfast & lunch. There are so few students who do not qualify that the district gives free meals to all. The average private school student is pretty wealthy. Which schools are more likely to be open? The private ones that (1) can afford protective measures and (2) have students less likely to be infected to start with. This dynamic is not incompatible with the community spread explanation, but I do not see it called out explicitly. Do you all?
tl;dr - The lower incidence of covid spread with in-person schooling is more a reflection of wealth (underlying causation) than manner of delivering classes (correlation to spread).12 -
I confused about all the discussion of water temp. Here are CDC's instructions for washing a mask. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/how-to-wash-cloth-face-coverings.html
Remember, when you are cleaning COVID from your hands, it is soap/detergent that matters. No one scalds there hands to remove the virus.9
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