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Theoldguy1 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »CDC recommends schools reopen for in person learning.
https://www.npr.org/2021/01/26/960885936/cdc-makes-case-for-school-reopening
Thought about this a bit more and I'm not a conspiracy thinking person but the idea that in person schools don't spread Covid may be a bit of wishful thinking than all out science. Talk to anyone in education, they will tell you they had colds, etc all during the school year for the first several years from being around all the little germ carriers until they built immunity. Don't see why Covid would work any differently.
Of course now you have the kids wearing masks, etc. Any pictures you see the kids are separated properly wearing masks, wonder if that's the normal situation? In normal times educators have to tell kids to keep their fingers out of their noses, wash their hands etc. And these are normally functioning kids, never mind the behaviorally challenged and/or special needs kids.
I have friends with kids (including little kids) in in-person school (Catholic schools here are open), and they say they've adjusted to mask-wearing all day really well and it doesn't seem to bother them. Social distancing seems harder to achieve with kids, of course. My friends are all happy with how things are going.
Here's a piece (with criticism) about the argument that the generally positive results in the Archdiocese schools is a good argument against continuing to keep CPS closed for in person learning: https://blockclubchicago.org/2021/01/07/in-backing-cps-reopening-plan-citys-health-department-studied-covid-in-catholic-schools-which-presents-problems-critics-say/
Here's the study referenced in the piece:
https://journals.lww.com/jphmp/Abstract/9000/Data_Driven_Reopening_of_Urban_Public_Education.99206.aspx3 -
https://neurosciencenews.com/melatonin-lungs-covid-17632/
This is good news as we learn more Covid-19 facts.1 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »CDC recommends schools reopen for in person learning.
https://www.npr.org/2021/01/26/960885936/cdc-makes-case-for-school-reopening
Thought about this a bit more and I'm not a conspiracy thinking person but the idea that in person schools don't spread Covid may be a bit of wishful thinking than all out science. Talk to anyone in education, they will tell you they had colds, etc all during the school year for the first several years from being around all the little germ carriers until they built immunity. Don't see why Covid would work any differently.
Of course now you have the kids wearing masks, etc. Any pictures you see the kids are separated properly wearing masks, wonder if that's the normal situation? In normal times educators have to tell kids to keep their fingers out of their noses, wash their hands etc. And these are normally functioning kids, never mind the behaviorally challenged and/or special needs kids.
I have friends with kids (including little kids) in in-person school (Catholic schools here are open), and they say they've adjusted to mask-wearing all day really well and it doesn't seem to bother them. Social distancing seems harder to achieve with kids, of course. My friends are all happy with how things are going.
Here's a piece (with criticism) about the argument that the generally positive results in the Archdiocese schools is a good argument against continuing to keep CPS closed for in person learning: https://blockclubchicago.org/2021/01/07/in-backing-cps-reopening-plan-citys-health-department-studied-covid-in-catholic-schools-which-presents-problems-critics-say/
Here's the study referenced in the piece:
https://journals.lww.com/jphmp/Abstract/9000/Data_Driven_Reopening_of_Urban_Public_Education.99206.aspx
Our kids went to Catholic schools and the Catholic schools in my area have offered in person pretty much all year.
Private schools are very different from public schools. In the vast majority of cases there are no special needs kids in the typical private school. Also most private schools don't provide transportation for the students where it's not uncommon in some areas for kids to be on the school bus up to an hour in the morning and afternoon.
Finally, a private school can kick a kid out of there are behavioral/discipline issues, the public school can suspend, etc but unless really bad the kid will be back in a few days
I actually read the article after my above discussion. Agree with the point the CPS and the private schools in Chicago are completely different.3 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »NM Governor just announced yesterday that public schools can resume in person learning on a hybrid schedule starting Feb 8. It will be up to individual districts as to whether or not they will. I'm in the largest school district in the state, so it'll be interesting to see what they do...hoping the kids will be able to go back though...a couple days out of the week is better than nothing.
Not necessarily for the teachers and their families. Even if teachers are vaccinated (most aren’t right now) the best information says they can still take it home to their families. As can the kids.
Some districts (Oklahoma) say the kids don’t have to wear masks indoors if they’re sitting six feet apart.
I am so scared for my teacher friends and their families.
I have a couple of friends who are teachers and I know quite a few teachers at my kids' school, and every single one of them is and has been ready to get back. The one's that don't want to can opt out. Masks are required in NM indoors and will also be required in school. They are also required outdoors in crowded public areas and any outdoor land/property maintained by a government entity.
Group A will be Monday and Tuesday...Wednesday is a deep clean day...group B on Thursday and Friday. Smaller classes and more separation. All NM private schools have been doing this since the fall and it hasn't been an issue.
From the sounds of things, most districts won't go back until the very end of February as they need time to ramp up. It is thought that by then, most teachers who want to be vaccinated will be. NM is 2nd in the nation in regards to per capita vaccine distribution and getting needles into arms. We've vaccinated roughly 10% of our population currently5 -
Just found out my brother and niece both have caught it. Wish I could say I wasn't worried about him. He's 6 years older than I am and not been in great health. They were very careful when out, but they continued to see their adult kids throughout. My guess would be from one of his kids letting their guard down.18
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cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »NM Governor just announced yesterday that public schools can resume in person learning on a hybrid schedule starting Feb 8. It will be up to individual districts as to whether or not they will. I'm in the largest school district in the state, so it'll be interesting to see what they do...hoping the kids will be able to go back though...a couple days out of the week is better than nothing.
Not necessarily for the teachers and their families. Even if teachers are vaccinated (most aren’t right now) the best information says they can still take it home to their families. As can the kids.
Some districts (Oklahoma) say the kids don’t have to wear masks indoors if they’re sitting six feet apart.
I am so scared for my teacher friends and their families.
I have a couple of friends who are teachers and I know quite a few teachers at my kids' school, and every single one of them is and has been ready to get back. The one's that don't want to can opt out. Masks are required in NM indoors and will also be required in school. They are also required outdoors in crowded public areas and any outdoor land/property maintained by a government entity.
Group A will be Monday and Tuesday...Wednesday is a deep clean day...group B on Thursday and Friday. Smaller classes and more separation. All NM private schools have been doing this since the fall and it hasn't been an issue.
From the sounds of things, most districts won't go back until the very end of February as they need time to ramp up. It is thought that by then, most teachers who want to be vaccinated will be. NM is 2nd in the nation in regards to per capita vaccine distribution and getting needles into arms. We've vaccinated roughly 10% of our population currently
My wife works with a number of districts that are in person. Since she is in a group (special ed, speech therapists, and physical therapists) that work more directly with special needs kids that sometimes can't or won't follow the rules they are some of the first to get the vaccine after the healthcare workers and nursing homes. She's supposed to wait another couple weeks since she just got past the quarantine period after contracting Covid.4 -
Y'all made me curious I pulled these effectiveness figures from the CDC for reference:
Flu vaccine is typically 40-60% effective
HPV vaccine 86% in teens, 71% in adults
MMR is 93% for measles, 78% for mumps, and 97% for rubella
DTAP is 80-90% initially then drops slowly over time, is around 70% after four years
Chicken pox vaccine is 82%
Shingrix is 90% and stays above 85% for at least 4 years
Pneumonia vaccine is 60-70%
Fun!
But don't those vaccines also reduce the severity if you are in the percentage that do get it? Even if the covid vaccines did that it would be worth getting it. My main fear at this point is getting sick enough to need care and the hospitals being full. So if a vaccine meant I got a milder illness even that would be great.
Not that it matters where I am - the vaccine situation here is a *kitten* show. The Canadian government totally screwed up vaccine procurement and we will be over here still in lockdown and dying while the rest of the world is getting back to normal.
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Not that it matters where I am - the vaccine situation here is a *kitten* show. The Canadian government totally screwed up vaccine procurement and we will be over here still in lockdown and dying while the rest of the world is getting back to normal.
Agreed. Last I heard my health district had run out of vaccines and was cancelling scheduled appointments.6 -
Y'all made me curious I pulled these effectiveness figures from the CDC for reference:
Flu vaccine is typically 40-60% effective
HPV vaccine 86% in teens, 71% in adults
MMR is 93% for measles, 78% for mumps, and 97% for rubella
DTAP is 80-90% initially then drops slowly over time, is around 70% after four years
Chicken pox vaccine is 82%
Shingrix is 90% and stays above 85% for at least 4 years
Pneumonia vaccine is 60-70%
Fun!
Not that it matters where I am - the vaccine situation here is a *kitten* show. The Canadian government totally screwed up vaccine procurement and we will be over here still in lockdown and dying while the rest of the world is getting back to normal.
Or as the Canadian government puts it: "Everything is perfectly fine. We're doing a great job."
My favourite part is how they decided to require airline passengers to test and quarantine to prevent these new variants about 2 months after the variants were all over Canada.11 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »NM Governor just announced yesterday that public schools can resume in person learning on a hybrid schedule starting Feb 8. It will be up to individual districts as to whether or not they will. I'm in the largest school district in the state, so it'll be interesting to see what they do...hoping the kids will be able to go back though...a couple days out of the week is better than nothing.
Not necessarily for the teachers and their families. Even if teachers are vaccinated (most aren’t right now) the best information says they can still take it home to their families. As can the kids.
Some districts (Oklahoma) say the kids don’t have to wear masks indoors if they’re sitting six feet apart.
I am so scared for my teacher friends and their families.
I have a couple of friends who are teachers and I know quite a few teachers at my kids' school, and every single one of them is and has been ready to get back. The one's that don't want to can opt out. Masks are required in NM indoors and will also be required in school. They are also required outdoors in crowded public areas and any outdoor land/property maintained by a government entity.
Group A will be Monday and Tuesday...Wednesday is a deep clean day...group B on Thursday and Friday. Smaller classes and more separation. All NM private schools have been doing this since the fall and it hasn't been an issue.
From the sounds of things, most districts won't go back until the very end of February as they need time to ramp up. It is thought that by then, most teachers who want to be vaccinated will be. NM is 2nd in the nation in regards to per capita vaccine distribution and getting needles into arms. We've vaccinated roughly 10% of our population currently
My wife works with a number of districts that are in person. Since she is in a group (special ed, speech therapists, and physical therapists) that work more directly with special needs kids that sometimes can't or won't follow the rules they are some of the first to get the vaccine after the healthcare workers and nursing homes. She's supposed to wait another couple weeks since she just got past the quarantine period after contracting Covid.
My sister's SO is normally an occupational therapist in schools that have been closed. He's frustrated as he really can't do his job remotely and the kids in question are getting no services. In lieu of being able to do his job he's been reassigned to do work in hospitals, including in some cases with covid patients (when he started doing this he stopped seeing my sister for a while other than socially distanced, and he skipped our Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners as a result). He has now been vaccinated (it at least put him at the head of the line).
I can't really say what I think of the CTU, as that would be political, but I don't think they are currently being reasonable. And I think it's hurting poor kids, specifically. I am in a neighborhood where improving the schools (more successfully with the elementaries) has been a focus, and many of my neighbors also use the public schools, or did. They've been basically home-schooling in pods and aren't happy about it, but also their kids are unlikely to have been badly affected. The most at-risk kids are the ones who have totally dropped out or otherwise are getting no education.7 -
Not that it matters where I am - the vaccine situation here is a *kitten* show. The Canadian government totally screwed up vaccine procurement and we will be over here still in lockdown and dying while the rest of the world is getting back to normal.
Or as the Canadian government puts it: "Everything is perfectly fine. We're doing a great job."
My favourite part is how they decided to require airline passengers to test and quarantine to prevent these new variants about 2 months after the variants were all over Canada.
I also like how he keeps telling us not to worry we will still have the 4 million promised vaccines by the end of March. Unless they are gonna ship us like 3.5 million doses the last week of March it ain't gonna happen. Seems unlikely - but what do I know.3 -
Not that it matters where I am - the vaccine situation here is a *kitten* show. The Canadian government totally screwed up vaccine procurement and we will be over here still in lockdown and dying while the rest of the world is getting back to normal.
Agreed. Last I heard my health district had run out of vaccines and was cancelling scheduled appointments.
Thankfully my 87 year old mother got her first Pfizer shot last week. Her retirement home was in outbreak since Dec 29 so I was worried it might come too late for them, but somehow only staff members ever tested positive and not a single resident was infected.9 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »NM Governor just announced yesterday that public schools can resume in person learning on a hybrid schedule starting Feb 8. It will be up to individual districts as to whether or not they will. I'm in the largest school district in the state, so it'll be interesting to see what they do...hoping the kids will be able to go back though...a couple days out of the week is better than nothing.
Not necessarily for the teachers and their families. Even if teachers are vaccinated (most aren’t right now) the best information says they can still take it home to their families. As can the kids.
Some districts (Oklahoma) say the kids don’t have to wear masks indoors if they’re sitting six feet apart.
I am so scared for my teacher friends and their families.
I have a couple of friends who are teachers and I know quite a few teachers at my kids' school, and every single one of them is and has been ready to get back. The one's that don't want to can opt out. Masks are required in NM indoors and will also be required in school. They are also required outdoors in crowded public areas and any outdoor land/property maintained by a government entity.
Group A will be Monday and Tuesday...Wednesday is a deep clean day...group B on Thursday and Friday. Smaller classes and more separation. All NM private schools have been doing this since the fall and it hasn't been an issue.
From the sounds of things, most districts won't go back until the very end of February as they need time to ramp up. It is thought that by then, most teachers who want to be vaccinated will be. NM is 2nd in the nation in regards to per capita vaccine distribution and getting needles into arms. We've vaccinated roughly 10% of our population currently
Sounds like your districts have more effective safety plans than the ones where my friends are working (Michigan, Oklahoma, Florida) where they’re not doing what they should to protect anyone, frankly. Especially people with pre-existing conditions which make them more vulnerable to serious health risks as a result of COVID.
No one gets paid enough to literally die for their job.5 -
Y'all made me curious I pulled these effectiveness figures from the CDC for reference:
Flu vaccine is typically 40-60% effective
HPV vaccine 86% in teens, 71% in adults
MMR is 93% for measles, 78% for mumps, and 97% for rubella
DTAP is 80-90% initially then drops slowly over time, is around 70% after four years
Chicken pox vaccine is 82%
Shingrix is 90% and stays above 85% for at least 4 years
Pneumonia vaccine is 60-70%
Fun!
But don't those vaccines also reduce the severity if you are in the percentage that do get it? Even if the covid vaccines did that it would be worth getting it. My main fear at this point is getting sick enough to need care and the hospitals being full. So if a vaccine meant I got a milder illness even that would be great.
Not that it matters where I am - the vaccine situation here is a *kitten* show. The Canadian government totally screwed up vaccine procurement and we will be over here still in lockdown and dying while the rest of the world is getting back to normal.
Yes they certainly do.
So if one is vaccinated against a disease and then still gets it, it is almost always MUCH milder.
Still well worth having the vaccine.
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Not that it matters where I am - the vaccine situation here is a *kitten* show. The Canadian government totally screwed up vaccine procurement and we will be over here still in lockdown and dying while the rest of the world is getting back to normal.
Agreed. Last I heard my health district had run out of vaccines and was cancelling scheduled appointments.
Thankfully my 87 year old mother got her first Pfizer shot last week. Her retirement home was in outbreak since Dec 29 so I was worried it might come too late for them, but somehow only staff members ever tested positive and not a single resident was infected.
I don't know how you've coped all this time with her in an outbreak home, that must have been terrifying. 85% of our local deaths have been in a single LTC facility. I'm so glad she's managed to get her first dose!
My 81 year old father still lives somewhat independently in his own home and isn't even on the radar for vaccination yet.9 -
My husband (81 y.o.) got today his first Pfizer shot; second one scheduled for 2/20. So far so good, but let's see how he feels tomorrow I am going next Tuesday.14
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Ugh. I know masks have been discussed to death. I have no clue which mask is THE mask but feel most offer at least some protection. I went into a convenience store yesterday, 50% in compliance. But what truly pinched my gut, was seeing a woman my sister knows. She can't weigh more than 80#, nothing to her, she's recently had throat cancer, a few months back, and she wasn't playing it safe. Then when she left, she stopped to hug another maskless individual outside.
Oh my lawd.16 -
Yikes! Stay away from her and tell your sister too. Unfortunately some people just don't get it.Ugh. I know masks have been discussed to death. I have no clue which mask is THE mask but feel most offer at least some protection. I went into a convenience store yesterday, 50% in compliance. But what truly pinched my gut, was seeing a woman my sister knows. She can't weigh more than 80#, nothing to her, she's recently had throat cancer, a few months back, and she wasn't playing it safe. Then when she left, she stopped to hug another maskless individual outside.
Oh my lawd.
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Many pages ago, I posted little blurbs about how the different vaccines work, and turns out I misunderstood how the mRNA vaccines work. I could find the post somewhere in the last 50 pages or so and quote it, but ain't nobody got time for that
Anyhoo, I thought the mRNA vaccines contained a spike protein from covid-19, but what they really have is instructions for how our own cells can make the spike protein.
So the vaccine is like a computer code with the Run command for this spike protein. It gets sucked into specific immune cells and they pop out this little part of the covid-19 virus. Then your immune system recognizes this protein as an intruder, develops antibodies to fight it, and kicks it out. Meanwhile, the instructions themselves are so fragile (that's why they have to be kept in deep freeze) that they disintegrate soon after being used.
This whole idea is so groundbreaking because theoretically the same vaccine can be used for all sorts of things, you just have to tweak the instructions being delivered. In fact, the hope is they can include multiple instructions in one shot, limiting the amount of times people need to get jabbed in general.
Wanted to post something vaguely hopeful, as the crapfest going on around us right now is depressing as heck. But hey, if covid-19 doesn't leave the world looking like The Stand, this could be a giant step forward in preventative medicine.22
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