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I sometimes wonder if I have already had covid. My husband and I were both sick for 10 days in early July with what for me was nasty headaches, total exhaustion and sinus congestion (he had a mild cough with it). We both tested negative at the time, but for me it went on for almost 6 months after with daily headaches, fatigue, brain fog, facial pain, random bizarre symptoms like waking up in the night with all my teeth aching, facial tics, vertigo. My whole summer was a write off - I didn't even start walking my dogs again until November. I was eventually "diagnosed" (remotely) with chronic rhino sinusitis and what one doctor called post-viral syndrome, and steroids helped. One doctor I saw suggested that the PCR testing had changed and a sample that tested negative in July could test positive now (I don't understand exactly how and didn't ask) and it's possible I did have it.
At any rate I guess there is more than one virus out there that can knock you on your *kitten* for months - would be interesting for me to know which one it was.
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I haven't had a chance to process this fact yet... Anyway, I have been staying on top of vaccination information in my area. I read that smokers will be vaccinated in the next group. My group won't come up for a bit, as I have no serious health issues; however, I was surprised about smokers being in the next group. I mean no offense to smokers. Just that they were in a group ahead of others with issues beyond their control.
As someone who has family who expect top notch health services for problems caused by their own self destructive behaviours (alcohol abuse and smoking) I get your concerns. It's so annoying to see. But I guess the problem is that then you could go down the line and start rationing health care based on a whole variety of lifestyle factors - exercise, diet etc. I'm in Canada and universal health care here means that everyone has equal access. Not sure if they are giving smokers priority access here, because we have such a limited vaccine supply that even lots of health care workers haven't had it yet.7 -
I sometimes wonder if I have already had covid. My husband and I were both sick for 10 days in early July with what for me was nasty headaches, total exhaustion and sinus congestion (he had a mild cough with it). We both tested negative at the time, but for me it went on for almost 6 months after with daily headaches, fatigue, brain fog, facial pain, random bizarre symptoms like waking up in the night with all my teeth aching, facial tics, vertigo. My whole summer was a write off - I didn't even start walking my dogs again until November. I was eventually "diagnosed" (remotely) with chronic rhino sinusitis and what one doctor called post-viral syndrome, and steroids helped. One doctor I saw suggested that the PCR testing had changed and a sample that tested negative in July could test positive now (I don't understand exactly how and didn't ask) and it's possible I did have it.
At any rate I guess there is more than one virus out there that can knock you on your *kitten* for months - would be interesting for me to know which one it was.
If you are now healthy enough to donate blood, the American Red Cross is still testing for antibodies.7 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I sometimes wonder if I have already had covid. My husband and I were both sick for 10 days in early July with what for me was nasty headaches, total exhaustion and sinus congestion (he had a mild cough with it). We both tested negative at the time, but for me it went on for almost 6 months after with daily headaches, fatigue, brain fog, facial pain, random bizarre symptoms like waking up in the night with all my teeth aching, facial tics, vertigo. My whole summer was a write off - I didn't even start walking my dogs again until November. I was eventually "diagnosed" (remotely) with chronic rhino sinusitis and what one doctor called post-viral syndrome, and steroids helped. One doctor I saw suggested that the PCR testing had changed and a sample that tested negative in July could test positive now (I don't understand exactly how and didn't ask) and it's possible I did have it.
At any rate I guess there is more than one virus out there that can knock you on your *kitten* for months - would be interesting for me to know which one it was.
If you are now healthy enough to donate blood, the American Red Cross is still testing for antibodies.
It would be too late for that. I am 99% sure I had it back last march too before testing was available since I had patients who had every single symptom and looking back we all thought a few of them had it. I had everything. I was super sick for 3 weeks and honestly thought I was dying. I had no clue what was going on and could not even get out of bed or walk up stairs. I had nausea, chills, vomiting, diarrhea, fever, cough, and couldn't breath for a few weeks. It took me months to feel normal again. I have never been that sick in my life. At the time we weren't even testing people because the first cases weren't even reported here yet. (Even though we all know it was here long before)
The antibodies only last on average 72 days so she would be negative. I was tested 3 months later for antibodies and was negative. It is rare (although has been seen) for people to have positive antibody test over 3 months later.6 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I sometimes wonder if I have already had covid. My husband and I were both sick for 10 days in early July with what for me was nasty headaches, total exhaustion and sinus congestion (he had a mild cough with it). We both tested negative at the time, but for me it went on for almost 6 months after with daily headaches, fatigue, brain fog, facial pain, random bizarre symptoms like waking up in the night with all my teeth aching, facial tics, vertigo. My whole summer was a write off - I didn't even start walking my dogs again until November. I was eventually "diagnosed" (remotely) with chronic rhino sinusitis and what one doctor called post-viral syndrome, and steroids helped. One doctor I saw suggested that the PCR testing had changed and a sample that tested negative in July could test positive now (I don't understand exactly how and didn't ask) and it's possible I did have it.
At any rate I guess there is more than one virus out there that can knock you on your *kitten* for months - would be interesting for me to know which one it was.
If you are now healthy enough to donate blood, the American Red Cross is still testing for antibodies.
I'm in Canada - but I doubt that antibodies would show up at this late date anyway.1 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I sometimes wonder if I have already had covid. My husband and I were both sick for 10 days in early July with what for me was nasty headaches, total exhaustion and sinus congestion (he had a mild cough with it). We both tested negative at the time, but for me it went on for almost 6 months after with daily headaches, fatigue, brain fog, facial pain, random bizarre symptoms like waking up in the night with all my teeth aching, facial tics, vertigo. My whole summer was a write off - I didn't even start walking my dogs again until November. I was eventually "diagnosed" (remotely) with chronic rhino sinusitis and what one doctor called post-viral syndrome, and steroids helped. One doctor I saw suggested that the PCR testing had changed and a sample that tested negative in July could test positive now (I don't understand exactly how and didn't ask) and it's possible I did have it.
At any rate I guess there is more than one virus out there that can knock you on your *kitten* for months - would be interesting for me to know which one it was.
If you are now healthy enough to donate blood, the American Red Cross is still testing for antibodies.
I'm in Canada - but I doubt that antibodies would show up at this late date anyway.
But you had it through Dec., right? Got it in July then lasted 6 months.... so if this is what you had, it was as recently as 2 months ago. Antibodies usually still show up 2 months later.0 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I sometimes wonder if I have already had covid. My husband and I were both sick for 10 days in early July with what for me was nasty headaches, total exhaustion and sinus congestion (he had a mild cough with it). We both tested negative at the time, but for me it went on for almost 6 months after with daily headaches, fatigue, brain fog, facial pain, random bizarre symptoms like waking up in the night with all my teeth aching, facial tics, vertigo. My whole summer was a write off - I didn't even start walking my dogs again until November. I was eventually "diagnosed" (remotely) with chronic rhino sinusitis and what one doctor called post-viral syndrome, and steroids helped. One doctor I saw suggested that the PCR testing had changed and a sample that tested negative in July could test positive now (I don't understand exactly how and didn't ask) and it's possible I did have it.
At any rate I guess there is more than one virus out there that can knock you on your *kitten* for months - would be interesting for me to know which one it was.
If you are now healthy enough to donate blood, the American Red Cross is still testing for antibodies.
I'm in Canada - but I doubt that antibodies would show up at this late date anyway.
But you had it through Dec., right? Got it in July then lasted 6 months.... so if this is what you had, it was as recently as 2 months ago. Antibodies usually still show up 2 months later.
The average 72 days is from symptom onset not end of symptoms.3 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I sometimes wonder if I have already had covid. My husband and I were both sick for 10 days in early July with what for me was nasty headaches, total exhaustion and sinus congestion (he had a mild cough with it). We both tested negative at the time, but for me it went on for almost 6 months after with daily headaches, fatigue, brain fog, facial pain, random bizarre symptoms like waking up in the night with all my teeth aching, facial tics, vertigo. My whole summer was a write off - I didn't even start walking my dogs again until November. I was eventually "diagnosed" (remotely) with chronic rhino sinusitis and what one doctor called post-viral syndrome, and steroids helped. One doctor I saw suggested that the PCR testing had changed and a sample that tested negative in July could test positive now (I don't understand exactly how and didn't ask) and it's possible I did have it.
At any rate I guess there is more than one virus out there that can knock you on your *kitten* for months - would be interesting for me to know which one it was.
If you are now healthy enough to donate blood, the American Red Cross is still testing for antibodies.
I'm in Canada - but I doubt that antibodies would show up at this late date anyway.
But you had it through Dec., right? Got it in July then lasted 6 months.... so if this is what you had, it was as recently as 2 months ago. Antibodies usually still show up 2 months later.
The average 72 days is from symptom onset not end of symptoms.
For those with a case that lasts, do our bodies stop making antibodies? I mean... if that is the case, then how does anyone ever survive when an infection lasts that long? Of course, they could get antibodies from blood transfusions or monoclonal antibodies. If your body stops making the cells to fight the virus, doesn't the virus win, without medical intervention?3 -
COVID Higher Ed Updates
The South African variant has been found on several college campuses. https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2021/02/11/covid-19-variant-now-found-six-campuses- In addition to that, there are two other identified cases in the Bay Area in two different counties. One was associated with international travel and the PUI quarantined immediately upon returning home (but the plane!? the plane!?) and there was no detail about the other case.
UMass Amherst and Berkeley have issued their strictest lock down yet--no one can even do solitary exercise. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Coronavirus-surge-at-UC-Berkeley-prompts-ban-on-15940060.php With UCPD in the halls to help enforce it. Berkeley has had over a hundred cases in recent days and contacts from those cases over 500.
And then there was this ... after UNC Charlotte started off in-person and at full occupancy last fall their cases escalated so quickly they pivoted. They were on the verge of bringing back people for spring when:
And this ...
The big schools often make the news (sheer volume, sometimes, I think). Smaller schools often have fewer resources with which to work, both within the school and in the local community.
The communities, especially the more isolated "college towns" are at such risk for severe impact no matter what. Either increased risk of disease due to student behavior or economic impact because the businesses that thrive on the student calendar and business see a lot of it dry up.
Where I work, we're looking at next year and while there may be in-person classes (we will be remote through summer), there are lots of logistics to determine. Our 400-450 person classes (and there are a lot of them) have no place big enough to maintain the size (except the basketball arena). And with the number of them and the space we have, breaking them up isn't feasible unless the sections are run 24/7. We will not be at full occupancy in the residence halls. We might have some doubles back (we only have singles this year) in the larger rooms. But who knows? It depends on the virus, the vaccines ...
We're bracing for Lunar New Year (tomorrow) and Valentine's Day. LNY is very big here--over 50% of our students identify as Asian/Pacific islander. And then a lull (knock on wood) before St. Patrick's Day, Mardi Gras, and Spring Break ...8 -
rheddmobile wrote: »So, my state and county keeps opening up age groups (70 and above now) and new occupations, while medical high risk groups keep getting pushed back. Since I have diabetes and lupus I am not delighted to keep getting pushed back down the line. Then it occurred to me: this is happening because the state has no idea how they are going to identify individuals at high risk. There is no “hi, I’m a diabetic” club card, and with people cheating and bribing to jump the line, it would be super easy to forge a doctor’s note, or even pay your doctor to write one. While it’s easy to identify a teacher or a fireman, they have work ID cards, and age is even easier, it’s on your driver’s license.
I’ve seen the 75 page long state plan for vaccination and there’s a section supposedly devoted to how they are going to identify at risk people, and it’s one sentence saying they are going to use some database I never heard of, which I’m pretty sure I am not in.
No proof, just a wild theory, but I am guessing there is no plan, so they keep postponing it. They have already changed “diabetic” to “diabetic requiring medication,” which makes sense if they are going to demand proof of a prescription.
Two of my staffers who are immune-compromised have had doctors (different ones) get them their appointments. Could your doctor help you get an appointment?
People with diabetes aren’t eligible yet, and the people I know who have had doctors get them appointments are much sicker than I am - like a friend and her son with severe cerebral palsy and a history of pneumonia because he can’t cough properly. If he gets it, he’s dead. More than 1 in 8 people in Tennessee has diabetes, we can’t all be exceptions.7 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I sometimes wonder if I have already had covid. My husband and I were both sick for 10 days in early July with what for me was nasty headaches, total exhaustion and sinus congestion (he had a mild cough with it). We both tested negative at the time, but for me it went on for almost 6 months after with daily headaches, fatigue, brain fog, facial pain, random bizarre symptoms like waking up in the night with all my teeth aching, facial tics, vertigo. My whole summer was a write off - I didn't even start walking my dogs again until November. I was eventually "diagnosed" (remotely) with chronic rhino sinusitis and what one doctor called post-viral syndrome, and steroids helped. One doctor I saw suggested that the PCR testing had changed and a sample that tested negative in July could test positive now (I don't understand exactly how and didn't ask) and it's possible I did have it.
At any rate I guess there is more than one virus out there that can knock you on your *kitten* for months - would be interesting for me to know which one it was.
If you are now healthy enough to donate blood, the American Red Cross is still testing for antibodies.
I'm in Canada - but I doubt that antibodies would show up at this late date anyway.
But you had it through Dec., right? Got it in July then lasted 6 months.... so if this is what you had, it was as recently as 2 months ago. Antibodies usually still show up 2 months later.
The average 72 days is from symptom onset not end of symptoms.
For those with a case that lasts, do our bodies stop making antibodies? I mean... if that is the case, then how does anyone ever survive when an infection lasts that long? Of course, they could get antibodies from blood transfusions or monoclonal antibodies. If your body stops making the cells to fight the virus, doesn't the virus win, without medical intervention?
For "long haulers", the long term symptoms aren't a result of actually being infected with COVID for months and month. They aren't actively fighting the virus and they don't need antibodies as they aren't actually infected at that time. The long term symptoms are a result of all the changes to the body and numerous effects the virus has.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/26/long-haulers-dilemma-many-cannot-prove-they-had-covid19/9 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I sometimes wonder if I have already had covid. My husband and I were both sick for 10 days in early July with what for me was nasty headaches, total exhaustion and sinus congestion (he had a mild cough with it). We both tested negative at the time, but for me it went on for almost 6 months after with daily headaches, fatigue, brain fog, facial pain, random bizarre symptoms like waking up in the night with all my teeth aching, facial tics, vertigo. My whole summer was a write off - I didn't even start walking my dogs again until November. I was eventually "diagnosed" (remotely) with chronic rhino sinusitis and what one doctor called post-viral syndrome, and steroids helped. One doctor I saw suggested that the PCR testing had changed and a sample that tested negative in July could test positive now (I don't understand exactly how and didn't ask) and it's possible I did have it.
At any rate I guess there is more than one virus out there that can knock you on your *kitten* for months - would be interesting for me to know which one it was.
If you are now healthy enough to donate blood, the American Red Cross is still testing for antibodies.
I'm in Canada - but I doubt that antibodies would show up at this late date anyway.
But you had it through Dec., right? Got it in July then lasted 6 months.... so if this is what you had, it was as recently as 2 months ago. Antibodies usually still show up 2 months later.
The average 72 days is from symptom onset not end of symptoms.
For those with a case that lasts, do our bodies stop making antibodies? I mean... if that is the case, then how does anyone ever survive when an infection lasts that long? Of course, they could get antibodies from blood transfusions or monoclonal antibodies. If your body stops making the cells to fight the virus, doesn't the virus win, without medical intervention?
My understanding is that long-haul symptoms are from damage done by the virus, not from ongoing attacks by the virus. There are some things you don't recover from (quickly or possibly at all) even if you recover from the underlying disease that caused the problem. Think of like getting burned in a house fire. Even after they put the house fire out, your skin will still have the burn damage.8 -
@33gail33
Great point about rationing healthcare based on lifestyle factors, good or bad.... No, I don't think I want to see that in practice; however, sometimes it already seems like that is happening. What comes to mind are socioeconomic factors. I know those aren't exactly the same as lifestyle factors..... But socioeconomics, imho, can lead to a whole host of lifestyle factors that may or may not be controllable... Ok, I'm coming out of the rabbit hole. I'm just grateful we have excellent insurance through our jobs. Not that it helps with C-19 vaccination groupings.
Stay safe.7 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I sometimes wonder if I have already had covid. My husband and I were both sick for 10 days in early July with what for me was nasty headaches, total exhaustion and sinus congestion (he had a mild cough with it). We both tested negative at the time, but for me it went on for almost 6 months after with daily headaches, fatigue, brain fog, facial pain, random bizarre symptoms like waking up in the night with all my teeth aching, facial tics, vertigo. My whole summer was a write off - I didn't even start walking my dogs again until November. I was eventually "diagnosed" (remotely) with chronic rhino sinusitis and what one doctor called post-viral syndrome, and steroids helped. One doctor I saw suggested that the PCR testing had changed and a sample that tested negative in July could test positive now (I don't understand exactly how and didn't ask) and it's possible I did have it.
At any rate I guess there is more than one virus out there that can knock you on your *kitten* for months - would be interesting for me to know which one it was.
If you are now healthy enough to donate blood, the American Red Cross is still testing for antibodies.
I'm in Canada - but I doubt that antibodies would show up at this late date anyway.
But you had it through Dec., right? Got it in July then lasted 6 months.... so if this is what you had, it was as recently as 2 months ago. Antibodies usually still show up 2 months later.
I’m not sure actually - when they say post viral syndrome I thought that the virus would be cleared after the acute illness, but the inflammation was already triggered, like the immune system going haywire. I’m not even sure where I would get antibody testing here, or if they would even consider that a priority since I am better now.3 -
I think that because smoking damages the lungs and Covid attacks the lungs and heart, smokers are at higher risk of serious illness and fatality. It's frustrating that my 81 year old diabetic husband has to wait in line with the 25 year old smoker, but it is easier for us to hole up than it might be for someone younger who needs to work. We can wait.6
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I sometimes wonder if I have already had covid. My husband and I were both sick for 10 days in early July with what for me was nasty headaches, total exhaustion and sinus congestion (he had a mild cough with it). We both tested negative at the time, but for me it went on for almost 6 months after with daily headaches, fatigue, brain fog, facial pain, random bizarre symptoms like waking up in the night with all my teeth aching, facial tics, vertigo. My whole summer was a write off - I didn't even start walking my dogs again until November. I was eventually "diagnosed" (remotely) with chronic rhino sinusitis and what one doctor called post-viral syndrome, and steroids helped. One doctor I saw suggested that the PCR testing had changed and a sample that tested negative in July could test positive now (I don't understand exactly how and didn't ask) and it's possible I did have it.
At any rate I guess there is more than one virus out there that can knock you on your *kitten* for months - would be interesting for me to know which one it was.
If you are now healthy enough to donate blood, the American Red Cross is still testing for antibodies.
I'm in Canada - but I doubt that antibodies would show up at this late date anyway.
But you had it through Dec., right? Got it in July then lasted 6 months.... so if this is what you had, it was as recently as 2 months ago. Antibodies usually still show up 2 months later.
I’m not sure actually - when they say post viral syndrome I thought that the virus would be cleared after the acute illness, but the inflammation was already triggered, like the immune system going haywire. I’m not even sure where I would get antibody testing here, or if they would even consider that a priority since I am better now.
Like I mentioned earlier, if you can give blood, they will test it for antibodies.0 -
yea, there is a wide variation in anti-bodies. I was donating plasma for covid therapy regularly up to 7 months after I recovered. But they haven't called lately, so I expect my anti-bodies finally dropped. My sister who also recovered never had enough to qualify for donations.Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »The antibodies only last on average 72 days so she would be negative. I was tested 3 months later for antibodies and was negative. It is rare (although has been seen) for people to have positive antibody test over 3 months later.
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spiriteagle99 wrote: »I think that because smoking damages the lungs and Covid attacks the lungs and heart, smokers are at higher risk of serious illness and fatality. It's frustrating that my 81 year old diabetic husband has to wait in line with the 25 year old smoker, but it is easier for us to hole up than it might be for someone younger who needs to work. We can wait.
That’s terrible. Where are you that 81 year olds aren’t already vaccinated? In TN we are down to 70+ now.
I was looking at the latest info and at present diabetes is 1c in TN, along with 55+. I’m 52. So if I were just three years older, I would be eligible from my age at the same time as my diabetes, which seems nuts to me.
Also, what stops people from claiming to smoke? Or even starting to smoke, just to get the vaccine?6 -
Still no Covid here. Hope that doesn't upset the couple of people rude to me last time.4
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https://www.psypost.org/2021/02/dark-personality-traits-predict-cognitive-and-emotional-responses-to-the-covid-19-pandemic-59598
Here's a side of Covid-19 we need to prep for perhaps.1
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