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paperpudding wrote: »Update on the shingles vaccine reaction if anyone is interested. While the urgent care doctor said that she "couldn't rule out" a vaccine reaction, the next day her GP told her definitively that she believes it to be a vaccine reaction. Given her age, general health, and the timing of the rash "you would not have shingles right now if you hadn't had the vaccine".
Don't shoot me I am just the messenger - that is what the doctors are telling us.
Personally it wouldn't dissuade me from getting the vaccine, I do wish that I had a shingles vaccine prior though.
Nobody is or was 'shooting' you
Would be interested to know via what mechanism the Dr thinks covid vaccine brought on shingles - since, as we all know, shingles is caused by re activation of chicken pox virus, dormant in your system since having the primary disease.
Or how he knows she wouldn't have shingles anyway - given young and healthy people can and do get it.
I do know “Moderna Arm” is a thing. I had it the first time, pretty mild and none after the second shot. Wasn’t something I really heard about as a vaccine reaction until it happened and I was wondering what the cause was. Could be something like this? https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7.com/amp/covid-vaccine-reaction-side-effects-arm/10398907/1 -
Considering the new variants roaming around, I (personally) will take these recommendations with a grain of salt. I will have no problem meeting with fully vaccinated people, while keeping still distance (no hugs or kisses unless they are wearing masks). But that is just me; I am too old to take unnecessary chances
Vaccinated Americans can gather inside without masks or social distancing in certain circumstances, CDC guidelines say
“You can visit your grandparents if you’ve been vaccinated and they have been, too,” CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said in a White House briefing Monday. “If grandparents have been vaccinated, they can visit their daughter and her family even if they have not been vaccinated, so long as the daughter and her family are not at risk for severe disease.”
Vaccinated individuals should still wear a mask and social distance in public settings and avoid medium- to large-sized gatherings. The agency has yet to release updated guidelines on travel for those who have been vaccinated. Current CDC guidelines recommend delaying travel but provide a list of public health measures in the case that someone must travel.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/03/08/covid-vaccine-cdc-releases-new-guidelines-vaccinated-americans/6917770002/
Not sure where you are (figuring the US), but they’re also not going to really be useful for a while yet with only about 10% of the population vaccinated.
CA (where I live) also has its own variant now. 😞 As well as the UK and the South Africa one. We’re just hoping the conditions are good and stable enough to be able to house the students in double rooms next academic year. (They’re in singles now, being charged a reduced rate.)2 -
I haven’t been on for a while and am just catching up. Feel like I missed the fun stuff. 🤪3
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smithker75 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »siobhanaoife wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Sorry i didn't realise fortnight was not a standard term used in all English speaking countries.
Fortnight is a perfectly ordinary word, and I was surprised there was someone who didn't know what it meant.
I'm in the midwestern US and have been around for a while. I've heard it in literature, probably on TV, movie, etc. but not in regular conversation.
Ditto, same region. In a lot of contexts here, if someone native here used it, it would usually be seen as kind of posturing, I think. People with exposure to literature, British TV shows, and that sort of thing are likely to have heard it, most probably know what it means, but IMO quite a few people wouldn't know exactly how long a time period it was if you asked them. It's not common vernacular.
Same region, and while I would normally expect someone to know what it meant from books or other media, it would definitely code as not usual US English, IME. (Which doesn't mean paperpudding should avoid it, I like hearing people's region-specific English and asking if I am not familiar with something!)
It's an everyday term here in Australia. Just one more reason this thread has been an invaluable learning resource!
yes fascinating isn't it.
Here in Australia one would never think saying fortnight made one have literary pretensions
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paperpudding wrote: »smithker75 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »siobhanaoife wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Sorry i didn't realise fortnight was not a standard term used in all English speaking countries.
Fortnight is a perfectly ordinary word, and I was surprised there was someone who didn't know what it meant.
I'm in the midwestern US and have been around for a while. I've heard it in literature, probably on TV, movie, etc. but not in regular conversation.
Ditto, same region. In a lot of contexts here, if someone native here used it, it would usually be seen as kind of posturing, I think. People with exposure to literature, British TV shows, and that sort of thing are likely to have heard it, most probably know what it means, but IMO quite a few people wouldn't know exactly how long a time period it was if you asked them. It's not common vernacular.
Same region, and while I would normally expect someone to know what it meant from books or other media, it would definitely code as not usual US English, IME. (Which doesn't mean paperpudding should avoid it, I like hearing people's region-specific English and asking if I am not familiar with something!)
It's an everyday term here in Australia. Just one more reason this thread has been an invaluable learning resource!
yes fascinating isn't it.
Here in Australia one would never think saying fortnight made one have literary pretensions
I think because in the US it's associated with Shakespeare and the theater, where it's most common, and therefore using it in regular speech is considered "theatrical".4 -
siobhanaoife wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Sorry i didn't realise fortnight was not a standard term used in all English speaking countries.
Fortnight is a perfectly ordinary word, and I was surprised there was someone who didn't know what it meant.
I thought the same thing, and am interested to hear it’s not as widespread as I had thought!
Fortnight = Fourteen nights
I might blow your minds when I tell you there is also ‘Sennight’, meaning ‘seven nights’ - it’s much less used and I think had pretty much fallen into disuse. There was a weekly radio jazz programme my Dad used to listen to when I was young and the presenter used ‘Sennight’ in his sign-off. Probably the only time I’ve heard it used.
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »siobhanaoife wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Sorry i didn't realise fortnight was not a standard term used in all English speaking countries.
Fortnight is a perfectly ordinary word, and I was surprised there was someone who didn't know what it meant.
I'm in the midwestern US and have been around for a while. I've heard it in literature, probably on TV, movie, etc. but not in regular conversation.
I can’t even remember how long I’ve known what it means. I agree that it isn’t common usage in the US.
There are a lot of words in the English language that are different in other English speaking countries. I read a lot of books by English speaking, non American, authors. Some are easily figured out, sweater vs jumper, by context.
I remember years ago when I first started watching GBBO, (when it was on PBS before going to Netflix)I couldn’t figure out what an aubergine or courgette were. I didn’t have a smartphone at the time.
I think the different terms are actually charming.
@Psychgrrl I had my first shot a couple of days ago. No “Moderna arm, but both my husband and I have a bit of tenderness at the site.
On the consent form I filled out it asked if you had received any vaccine recently. I asked the pharmacist about this. He said they will not administer the covid vaccine, if you have, because of possible complications that may occur. He was actually pretty animated about the studies that are ongoing in regards to the vaccine.
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snowflake954 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »smithker75 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »siobhanaoife wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Sorry i didn't realise fortnight was not a standard term used in all English speaking countries.
Fortnight is a perfectly ordinary word, and I was surprised there was someone who didn't know what it meant.
I'm in the midwestern US and have been around for a while. I've heard it in literature, probably on TV, movie, etc. but not in regular conversation.
Ditto, same region. In a lot of contexts here, if someone native here used it, it would usually be seen as kind of posturing, I think. People with exposure to literature, British TV shows, and that sort of thing are likely to have heard it, most probably know what it means, but IMO quite a few people wouldn't know exactly how long a time period it was if you asked them. It's not common vernacular.
Same region, and while I would normally expect someone to know what it meant from books or other media, it would definitely code as not usual US English, IME. (Which doesn't mean paperpudding should avoid it, I like hearing people's region-specific English and asking if I am not familiar with something!)
It's an everyday term here in Australia. Just one more reason this thread has been an invaluable learning resource!
yes fascinating isn't it.
Here in Australia one would never think saying fortnight made one have literary pretensions
I think because in the US it's associated with Shakespeare and the theater, where it's most common, and therefore using it in regular speech is considered "theatrical".
I'm the one who didn't know what it meant! I am in Canada and it is not something I have ever heard used in conversation. I have seen the word (haven't read Shakespeare in a while but probably there) and vaguely knew that it was a time frame, but if I had to guess would have guessed a month. Now that I googled it "fourteen nights" makes perfect sense - duh - it's right in the word. It is one of those words that one might see when reading but kind of skim over without thinking about it.
I promise I am not illiterate!
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paperpudding wrote: »smithker75 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »siobhanaoife wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Sorry i didn't realise fortnight was not a standard term used in all English speaking countries.
Fortnight is a perfectly ordinary word, and I was surprised there was someone who didn't know what it meant.
I'm in the midwestern US and have been around for a while. I've heard it in literature, probably on TV, movie, etc. but not in regular conversation.
Ditto, same region. In a lot of contexts here, if someone native here used it, it would usually be seen as kind of posturing, I think. People with exposure to literature, British TV shows, and that sort of thing are likely to have heard it, most probably know what it means, but IMO quite a few people wouldn't know exactly how long a time period it was if you asked them. It's not common vernacular.
Same region, and while I would normally expect someone to know what it meant from books or other media, it would definitely code as not usual US English, IME. (Which doesn't mean paperpudding should avoid it, I like hearing people's region-specific English and asking if I am not familiar with something!)
It's an everyday term here in Australia. Just one more reason this thread has been an invaluable learning resource!
yes fascinating isn't it.
Here in Australia one would never think saying fortnight made one have literary pretensions
It's less about literary anything, IMO, as someone self-consciously adopting terms from another form of English, like Madonna getting mocked for saying "ba-nah-na" or other British-influenced pronunciations or, more to the point, someone deciding to start calling elevators "lifts" and their trunks "boots" and asking for a claret with their fileT (we don't say the t) or stuff like that.
Fortnight is a useful enough term I wouldn't assume they were trying to sound British or were affected, but I can see why it might seem like the above.5 -
To add to that, it's that fortnight is associated with English English that makes it possibly code as a little pretentious if used by an American (not by someone with a non American accent), as the dominant association with English English in the US tends to be educated/upper class despite the fact we've all likely heard other English English dialects that code more working class at this point. Aping Australian English might make one sound like a poser, but not pretentious, as Australian English doesn't tend to be coded as educated/upper class in the same way. This is all an over-generalization but I think with some truth in it.11
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My area will drop the vaccine eligibility age to 50 on 3/15. DH hosted a recent panel that included our large medical school hospital system CFO. CFO said he expects supply>demand in April. Then focus shifts to persuading the vaccine resistant.
ETA: I will add that this move was met with some controversy as it does not comport with CDC recommendation to prioritize front line workers of any age over 50-65 cohort.7 -
Hypothetical: if there were no restrictions, costs, shortages and you could choose which vaccine to receive, which would you?
The J&J because it's a single shot and I am intensely needle phobic. I also tend to react badly to some vaccines so I'd prefer to suffer only once if that's going to happen with this one.
FWIW I had Pfizer and it is the tiniest little needle ever and you don't even feel it!
(I recently had an antibiotic shot for a dog bite, which if you have ever had one is brutal, this was nothing like that.)
In addition to the needle stick aspect, the phobia is around having something foreign injected into me. I've actually gotten sort of used to blood draws because they're taking something out, not putting it in. IVs are the worst because I can feel them running into my vein (and then I pass out, lol).9 -
I had my 2nd Pfizer dose day before yesterday, no side effect except sore arm and tired. I'm so glad to see the vaccination progress ramping up to meet the demand. Soon enough everyone who wants one will get one. We just might have a great summer!10
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My dh might have had COVID arm with the first. About a week later he was getting wierd, itchy rashes. Still got the second. Our questions only asked about other immunizations within a 2 week time. Good thing, because we both had gotten our second shingles shot about 25 days before, so went ahead & got the COVID one when offered. Our dd felt pretty bad yesterday after getting her second on Thursday. Feels a lot better today, other than sore arm.6
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My shot yesterday was a total non-event...no biggie at all...I didn't even feel it, and my arm is barely a little sore today...basically like I did a shoulder workout or something. I had it done at one of the arenas in town acting as a mass vaccine distribution center and thought I'd be there for ages given the number of cars and people coming in and out and in and around the parking lot. It was a well oiled machine and I had my shot within 12 minutes of arriving at the arena. I was wrong about the mass distribution centers being mostly younger people too...that's what I had heard, but there were tons of seniors. It was so awesome to see all of those people coming and going and getting their shots and knowing it was also going on at every large arena/venue in the metro area. Dose two is April 2.
NM is now just shy of 50% of the population being given one dose and around 20% have been fully vaccinated. We're movin' and shakin'.19 -
RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »My dh might have had COVID arm with the first. About a week later he was getting wierd, itchy rashes. Still got the second. Our questions only asked about other immunizations within a 2 week time. Good thing, because we both had gotten our second shingles shot about 25 days before, so went ahead & got the COVID one when offered. Our dd felt pretty bad yesterday after getting her second on Thursday. Feels a lot better today, other than sore arm.
I didn’t associate the itch/redness with the vaccine. It was a few inches away from the injection site and showed up a few days after I got the shot. I figured I got but by something when I was gardening (again). Then I read about. 🤯3 -
I currently live in TN, but am moving to TX starting tomorrow (start new job there on 3/22). A week ago, I became eligible for the vaccine in TN (because of type 1 diabetes) and decided to go ahead and get the first shot (no J&J available here yet). I was a bit worried about figuring out the 2nd dose in TX, but they are giving Moderna here now and that has 80% effectiveness from the 1st shot. So was worth getting already rather than wait.
After a lot of effort, I was able to schedule the 2nd vaccine for next month in TX. The CVS pharmacies, among others, are giving it, which requires insurance (they must charge an administration fee?). I am just hoping I get my new insurance card before Apr. 7. There were 3 CVS stores in the entire state that had vaccines available to schedule for 2nd doses. Fortunately, one of them was only 30 min. away.13 -
RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »My dh might have had COVID arm with the first. About a week later he was getting wierd, itchy rashes. Still got the second. Our questions only asked about other immunizations within a 2 week time. Good thing, because we both had gotten our second shingles shot about 25 days before, so went ahead & got the COVID one when offered. Our dd felt pretty bad yesterday after getting her second on Thursday. Feels a lot better today, other than sore arm.
I didn’t associate the itch/redness with the vaccine. It was a few inches away from the injection site and showed up a few days after I got the shot. I figured I got but by something when I was gardening (again). Then I read about. 🤯
My niece broke out with hives about 10 days after her 1st Moderna shot and the dr. poo-poohed it from being a reaction because of the length of time that'd passed but she truly thinks it was because it was right in the injection vicinity. My sister had a weird icy pain feeling in the hand of her vaccinated arm, for about 20-30 minutes soon after her vaccine but it went away and it was fine.
Dh had an injured shoulder that he'd recovered from and had a regular flu shot in that same arm and he's had trouble with his shoulder again ever since. My brother had a regular flu shot awhile back and his whole arm required some kind of surgery from a freezing-up affect.
Typically, from what I've heard people say about the after effects of the Moderna vaccine was of course the sore arm, then about 24 hrs. later, they got really tired, a bit achy and chills for another 1-24 hours. But basically were fine.
Point being that everyone's reaction cannot be predicted, most are minor but never discount weird stuff that might come later on.
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Hey all, I've been MIA for a bit. I have managed to keep health aspect of MFP somewhat in control but that's about it.
Anyhow I am here hoping to get insights. If I recall correctly, there are at least two Italian members in this chat thread. I am going to recount my MIL's comments and hoping to get perspective from those living in Italy.
According to MIL, she called her more distant family who live in a very small town in the Abruzzo region. What has been said is that it is "very bad" over there. They are under strict lockdown with police patrolling the streets. They cannot walk up the street to check on relatives, and to go to the grocery store one must product some sort of card. She also states that a local nursing home was given the vaccine and "43 still got sick", and that 79 town residents who received the vaccine also contracted COVID.
Of course I can think of scenarios where one could receive the vaccine and still get sick, but MIL seems to know nothing else and the overall implication was that the vaccine that italy got "does not work".
Anyone have insights to share? I would appreciate knowing more about the Italy situation so I can share that information with my MIL.5 -
Hey all, I've been MIA for a bit. I have managed to keep health aspect of MFP somewhat in control but that's about it.
Anyhow I am here hoping to get insights. If I recall correctly, there are at least two Italian members in this chat thread. I am going to recount my MIL's comments and hoping to get perspective from those living in Italy.
According to MIL, she called her more distant family who live in a very small town in the Abruzzo region. What has been said is that it is "very bad" over there. They are under strict lockdown with police patrolling the streets. They cannot walk up the street to check on relatives, and to go to the grocery store one must product some sort of card. She also states that a local nursing home was given the vaccine and "43 still got sick", and that 79 town residents who received the vaccine also contracted COVID.
Of course I can think of scenarios where one could receive the vaccine and still get sick, but MIL seems to know nothing else and the overall implication was that the vaccine that italy got "does not work".
Anyone have insights to share? I would appreciate knowing more about the Italy situation so I can share that information with my MIL.
I know Italy’s vaccine rate is less than half that of the US currently, and that they were using Astra Zeneca which isn’t approved here, but stopped after some possibly connected heart attacks following the vaccine.
From what I can determine no one knows why they are having a surge, but they are, along with other countries in Europe. The leading theory is that it’s the new variants which are escaping the vaccine. I haven’t read whether the death rate is going up or just the infection rate.
Easter is a big deal in Italy and the lockdown is partly to prevent an Easter-related surge.4 -
@SModa61
Astra-Zeneca is the vaccine being used in Italy and mostly in all Europe, and I don't know if J and J has any kind of agreement in Europe, and the same with Moderna and Pfizer. The link below (pretty recent) may give you more information, but it comes from Italy so I don't know how reliable it is.
Ireland stopped vaccination with A-Z due to DVTs (blood clots), although the company said that they were not caused by the vaccine. I believe that other countries in Europe also stopped using A-Z temporarily but I read that the European Commission said that it was OK to vaccinate while investigations continue. I didn't know anything about deaths in Italy or in any other countries. That is pretty bad and I am surprised that nothing showed up in the news. Maybe I missed that.
We all have the risk of contracting COVID after vaccination if we are not careful, and if we don't follow the procedures as pre-vaccination. Immunity is not instant and most of the vaccines protect against serious disease and death but not possible infection. Without knowing what happened in the nursing home and under what conditions those occupants were living, we can only assume that the vaccine is not working or that the conditions were not safe.
Maybe @snowflake954 can share some light into this issue.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/fear-and-loathing-over-astrazeneca-vaccine-as-italy-braces-for-deadly-third-wave1 -
I had read somewhere (can't remember since it's been a few weeks since then) that a nursing home somewhere had all of their residents vaccinated, not sure if they'd had only one or both doses at the time, or if it was right after the second dose so they weren't fully protected yet. The virus swept through the facility and ended up infecting half the residents anyway, BUT...there were no serious cases, all were mild or asymptomatic and no one died or even needed hospitalization. So even if you still get COVID before your full immunity, at least the vaccine seems to take the teeth out of the disease. These were people who'd had the Moderna or Pfizer. Not sure which.
I don't know anything about the Astra-Zeneca, though, except that older people don't have as brisk an immune response to it. I wonder if the people in the nursing home in Italy had milder cases after being vaccinated like the ones here did. The PP just said they ended up with COVID, not whether they were hospitalized or died from it. Or if anyone had health complications from the vax itself. That would be good to know!7 -
Hey all, I've been MIA for a bit. I have managed to keep health aspect of MFP somewhat in control but that's about it.
Anyhow I am here hoping to get insights. If I recall correctly, there are at least two Italian members in this chat thread. I am going to recount my MIL's comments and hoping to get perspective from those living in Italy.
According to MIL, she called her more distant family who live in a very small town in the Abruzzo region. What has been said is that it is "very bad" over there. They are under strict lockdown with police patrolling the streets. They cannot walk up the street to check on relatives, and to go to the grocery store one must product some sort of card. She also states that a local nursing home was given the vaccine and "43 still got sick", and that 79 town residents who received the vaccine also contracted COVID.
Of course I can think of scenarios where one could receive the vaccine and still get sick, but MIL seems to know nothing else and the overall implication was that the vaccine that italy got "does not work".
Anyone have insights to share? I would appreciate knowing more about the Italy situation so I can share that information with my MIL.
I went online to get News from the Abruzzo region of Italy. First of all, all of Italy is in Lockdown starting today until April 6th to cover the Easter holidays. Certain regions are worse than others--Abruzzo being one.
All of us have to have a "permission slip" that is downloaded on internet and you need it if the police stop you to ask where you are going. Doctor appointments, going to work, shopping at grocery stores, supermarkets, pharmacies, church services (with strict distancing rules), and other essential services are permitted (the police may check to see if you really have an appointment). You can go for a walk (near your residence) or go jogging, walking in the park, exercises, etc, but only individually, no group outdoor sessions, and always close to home.
All restaurants, pastry shops, bars, etc are closed to customers--take out only. Masks must be on properly. No group assemblies, or going outside your region. Fines are steep for noncompliance.
Vaccinations are proceeding all over the country. First to be vaccinated were medical personnel, police, over 90, nursing homes, and teachers. They are now doing over 80 and military personnel also.
Our first vaccines were Pfizer and Moderna. Astra Zeneca has been added after European Union approval several weeks ago. It was to be used on police and military. 2 deaths within 24 hours of the vaccine. One was a 45 yr old military man. He had no previous health problems. It's too soon to say what exactly happened. His wife said he was fine and then in the night, arrested and quickly died. The statistics of the vaccine still have a low death rate and it's not been determined that the vaccine caused these deaths. Soon Johnson and Johnson will arrive, and the Russian Sputnik is waiting approval.
I'd like to be clear that we've been on a sort of mini Lockdown since Christmas. There have been restrictions all along. Things were loosened up a little--now we're back to strict. Abruzzo has a higher COVID infection rate than the majority of the country. The English variant is rampaging there. They are behind in vaccinations for the over 80 group compared to the rest of the country. Hospitals are full and there have been patient airlifts, especially to us, here in Rome.
As far as your MIL's family is concerned, without knowing the name of the town, I can't give you specifics for them, so don't know their situation. Some of the things you're reporting seem strange, but I don't want to say she's wrong and it's not happening. In these times who knows what their mayor might do to stop the infection?
Your reporter in Rome........24 -
@Gisel2015 @jenilla1 @snowflake954 Thank you so much for your replies. The town my MIL is from is Orsogna. Please do note that what I have written above is third hand and sourced from a very concerned 81 year old, so who knows how details may have been altered along the way. The telephone game is real!
As for the nursing homes and community contractions post vaccine, I have heard and read plenty about the time it takes for immunity to be established, and also the scenario where people become overly confident post vaccine and cause their own exposures. I have even heard claims of getting COVID from standing in line for the vaccine. I do not have any other details of illness timeline or severity that would help parse the causality.
Snowflake, it will be interesting to see if you have any further insights using the town's name.
Thanks all!
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@Gisel2015 @jenilla1 @snowflake954 Thank you so much for your replies. The town my MIL is from is Orsogna. Please do note that what I have written above is third hand and sourced from a very concerned 81 year old, so who knows how details may have been altered along the way. The telephone game is real!
As for the nursing homes and community contractions post vaccine, I have heard and read plenty about the time it takes for immunity to be established, and also the scenario where people become overly confident post vaccine and cause their own exposures. I have even heard claims of getting COVID from standing in line for the vaccine. I do not have any other details of illness timeline or severity that would help parse the causality.
Snowflake, it will be interesting to see if you have any further insights using the town's name.
Thanks all!
I went on the town's web page. As of March 9th, they have 2 recovered and 15 new positives, giving them 37 positive COVID cases overall. In the retirement home Casa del Sole (House of the Sun), there are 42 being constantly monitored--doing fine.
If your MIL can read Italian, it might do to let her see for herself, if it would set her mind at ease. The site warns against gatherings during Lockdown and that the local authorities will levy fines. I think the confusion with her reporting that they need a "card" to go to the supermarket is because in Italian "carte" means two things: it can be a card, such as a credit card ( carte di credito) or it can be a piece of paper (foglio di carte). What you need if you're out and about now is that piece of paper that you download and fill out yourself with address, phone number and reason for leaving your home. However, I've never been stopped and lots of people like me are pulling their shopping trolley, so it's obvious where you're going. The police won't bother you. There is a curfew, and they will stop people about after it. To tell the truth, the police are sick of this whole thing too.9 -
thank you so much @snowflake954 Can you do me a favor? I have tried searching for a town web page type and I get nothing like what you are describing. Can you provide me the link? Google hates me. I would love to offer the web page to my MIL. My husband might even remember his Italian well enough but its been a long time since Italian was his sole language.0
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thank you so much @snowflake954 Can you do me a favor? I have tried searching for a town web page type and I get nothing like what you are describing. Can you provide me the link? Google hates me. I would love to offer the web page to my MIL. My husband might even remember his Italian well enough but its been a long time since Italian was his sole language.
Ha! You are asking a computer illiterate to give you a link. Do this: type in orsogna. Then when the choices pop up click on Comune di Orsogna (Chieti) Italy. This will put you on their page.
Here's their address: comune.orsogna.chieti.it
Hope that gets you there.7 -
snowflake954 wrote: »thank you so much @snowflake954 Can you do me a favor? I have tried searching for a town web page type and I get nothing like what you are describing. Can you provide me the link? Google hates me. I would love to offer the web page to my MIL. My husband might even remember his Italian well enough but its been a long time since Italian was his sole language.
Ha! You are asking a computer illiterate to give you a link. Do this: type in orsogna. Then when the choices pop up click on Comune di Orsogna (Chieti) Italy. This will put you on their page.
Here's their address: comune.orsogna.chieti.it
Hope that gets you there.
@snowflake954 You are magic! Thank you2 -
Astra Zeneca has been suspended in Italy pending further investigation.4
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snowflake954 wrote: »Astra Zeneca has been suspended in Italy pending further investigation.
It's very odd how the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine keeps attracting negative comments from European politicians and others, it seems to have to repeatedly refute accusations which don't eventually get proven to have basis in fact.
The latest "thrombosis risk" statements seem designed to alarm even though the incidence of AZ vaccinated people getting thrombosis appears to be no higher than the general incidence in un-vaccinated people.
Both the European Medicines Agency and the WHO say to continue using it but many EU countries are reacting ahead of those bodies deliberations by withdrawing it.7
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