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COVID19 - To Vaccinate or To Not Vaccinate
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pfeiferlindsey wrote: »hobbitses333 wrote: »pfeiferlindsey wrote: »Analog_Kid wrote: »Throughout the pandemic, the US COVID mortality rate has steadily hovered around 0.017%
Since deploying the vaccine, the average mortality rate hasn't changed.
With or without the vaccine, COVID has a 99.98% survival rate.
Those aren't bad odds.
Bad odds? Are you kidding me? I'll entertain your 99.98% survival rate. Out of the survival rate, we still don't know the long term impact of COVID-19. My coworker that "survived" is basically disabled at the moment. Brain swelling, heart swelling, she still has trouble breathing. She MIGHT be able to come back to work in a few weeks with restrictions if the new glasses she got for the double/blurry/prism vision helps and she's not exhausted all the time.
But yes, keep spouting that 99.98% "survive".
Same thing happens to many people from contracting respiratory illnesses EVERY year.
Long term health effects are actually very common. Propaganda parroting is something you are good at.
I have never the same since getting pneumonia over a decade ago for one. I know many more.
Global Frontline Nurses, look em up.
Frankly, unless you have M.D. or PHD behind your name, I couldn't care less about your uneducated opinions about COVID or about long haulers. PS....this same friend has had pneumonia in the past. She did NOT suffer the same long term effects like she is with COVID.
Also, Pot meet Kettle. Telling me I'm a "propaganda parrot" but in the next breath telling me to go look up some QAnon, conspiracy garbage.
This is why I love the “I don’t live my life in fear...” defense. Half the time any “evidence” is provided it is a BS Facebook fear mongering meme! You’d think these vaccines were made by meth heads in a van behind a planned parenthood where they are collecting aborted babies that are just tossed in a dumpster in the alleyway. They were already cooking with half the product needed and had a lab setup. Oh, they also got microchips from the government to include in each vaccine! Watch out!!!
These people wreak of fear!!! 😒16 -
pfeiferlindsey wrote: »hobbitses333 wrote: »pfeiferlindsey wrote: »Analog_Kid wrote: »Throughout the pandemic, the US COVID mortality rate has steadily hovered around 0.017%
Since deploying the vaccine, the average mortality rate hasn't changed.
With or without the vaccine, COVID has a 99.98% survival rate.
Those aren't bad odds.
Bad odds? Are you kidding me? I'll entertain your 99.98% survival rate. Out of the survival rate, we still don't know the long term impact of COVID-19. My coworker that "survived" is basically disabled at the moment. Brain swelling, heart swelling, she still has trouble breathing. She MIGHT be able to come back to work in a few weeks with restrictions if the new glasses she got for the double/blurry/prism vision helps and she's not exhausted all the time.
But yes, keep spouting that 99.98% "survive".
Same thing happens to many people from contracting respiratory illnesses EVERY year.
Long term health effects are actually very common. Propaganda parroting is something you are good at.
I have never the same since getting pneumonia over a decade ago for one. I know many more.
Global Frontline Nurses, look em up.
Frankly, unless you have M.D. or PHD behind your name, I couldn't care less about your uneducated opinions about COVID or about long haulers. PS....this same friend has had pneumonia in the past. She did NOT suffer the same long term effects like she is with COVID.
Also, Pot meet Kettle. Telling me I'm a "propaganda parrot" but in the next breath telling me to go look up some QAnon, conspiracy garbage.
This is why I love the “I don’t live my life in fear...” defense. Half the time any “evidence” is provided it is a BS Facebook fear mongering meme! You’d think these vaccines were made by meth heads in a van behind a planned parenthood where they are collecting aborted babies that are just tossed in a dumpster in the alleyway. They were already cooking with half the product needed and had a lab setup. Oh, they also got microchips from the government to include in each vaccine! Watch out!!!
These people wreak of fear!!! 😒
My husband has had his first dose for almost a month now. He hasn't had any communication from the mothership nor is my 5G signal boosted at home. He also didn't turn into a zombie. I really thought something cool would happen.
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pfeiferlindsey wrote: »pfeiferlindsey wrote: »hobbitses333 wrote: »pfeiferlindsey wrote: »Analog_Kid wrote: »Throughout the pandemic, the US COVID mortality rate has steadily hovered around 0.017%
Since deploying the vaccine, the average mortality rate hasn't changed.
With or without the vaccine, COVID has a 99.98% survival rate.
Those aren't bad odds.
Bad odds? Are you kidding me? I'll entertain your 99.98% survival rate. Out of the survival rate, we still don't know the long term impact of COVID-19. My coworker that "survived" is basically disabled at the moment. Brain swelling, heart swelling, she still has trouble breathing. She MIGHT be able to come back to work in a few weeks with restrictions if the new glasses she got for the double/blurry/prism vision helps and she's not exhausted all the time.
But yes, keep spouting that 99.98% "survive".
Same thing happens to many people from contracting respiratory illnesses EVERY year.
Long term health effects are actually very common. Propaganda parroting is something you are good at.
I have never the same since getting pneumonia over a decade ago for one. I know many more.
Global Frontline Nurses, look em up.
Frankly, unless you have M.D. or PHD behind your name, I couldn't care less about your uneducated opinions about COVID or about long haulers. PS....this same friend has had pneumonia in the past. She did NOT suffer the same long term effects like she is with COVID.
Also, Pot meet Kettle. Telling me I'm a "propaganda parrot" but in the next breath telling me to go look up some QAnon, conspiracy garbage.
This is why I love the “I don’t live my life in fear...” defense. Half the time any “evidence” is provided it is a BS Facebook fear mongering meme! You’d think these vaccines were made by meth heads in a van behind a planned parenthood where they are collecting aborted babies that are just tossed in a dumpster in the alleyway. They were already cooking with half the product needed and had a lab setup. Oh, they also got microchips from the government to include in each vaccine! Watch out!!!
These people wreak of fear!!! 😒
My husband has had his first dose for almost a month now. He hasn't had any communication from the mothership nor is my 5G signal boosted at home. He also didn't turn into a zombie. I really thought something cool would happen.
Dang! Sorry about your luck! You’re scheduled for yours soon... maybe your dose will come with signal boost or new hunger for brains! I’ll keep my fingers crossed for you! Keep an eye out over the next couple months, with no long term studies it could take up to 6 months for either of you to sprout a new baby arm at injection site! Keep us posted!3 -
pfeiferlindsey wrote: »pfeiferlindsey wrote: »hobbitses333 wrote: »pfeiferlindsey wrote: »Analog_Kid wrote: »Throughout the pandemic, the US COVID mortality rate has steadily hovered around 0.017%
Since deploying the vaccine, the average mortality rate hasn't changed.
With or without the vaccine, COVID has a 99.98% survival rate.
Those aren't bad odds.
Bad odds? Are you kidding me? I'll entertain your 99.98% survival rate. Out of the survival rate, we still don't know the long term impact of COVID-19. My coworker that "survived" is basically disabled at the moment. Brain swelling, heart swelling, she still has trouble breathing. She MIGHT be able to come back to work in a few weeks with restrictions if the new glasses she got for the double/blurry/prism vision helps and she's not exhausted all the time.
But yes, keep spouting that 99.98% "survive".
Same thing happens to many people from contracting respiratory illnesses EVERY year.
Long term health effects are actually very common. Propaganda parroting is something you are good at.
I have never the same since getting pneumonia over a decade ago for one. I know many more.
Global Frontline Nurses, look em up.
Frankly, unless you have M.D. or PHD behind your name, I couldn't care less about your uneducated opinions about COVID or about long haulers. PS....this same friend has had pneumonia in the past. She did NOT suffer the same long term effects like she is with COVID.
Also, Pot meet Kettle. Telling me I'm a "propaganda parrot" but in the next breath telling me to go look up some QAnon, conspiracy garbage.
This is why I love the “I don’t live my life in fear...” defense. Half the time any “evidence” is provided it is a BS Facebook fear mongering meme! You’d think these vaccines were made by meth heads in a van behind a planned parenthood where they are collecting aborted babies that are just tossed in a dumpster in the alleyway. They were already cooking with half the product needed and had a lab setup. Oh, they also got microchips from the government to include in each vaccine! Watch out!!!
These people wreak of fear!!! 😒
My husband has had his first dose for almost a month now. He hasn't had any communication from the mothership nor is my 5G signal boosted at home. He also didn't turn into a zombie. I really thought something cool would happen.
At this point, I expect to be catapulted directly into the Matrix universe as soon as I get my vaccine, anything else will be a huge disappointment.7 -
janejellyroll wrote: »pfeiferlindsey wrote: »pfeiferlindsey wrote: »hobbitses333 wrote: »pfeiferlindsey wrote: »Analog_Kid wrote: »Throughout the pandemic, the US COVID mortality rate has steadily hovered around 0.017%
Since deploying the vaccine, the average mortality rate hasn't changed.
With or without the vaccine, COVID has a 99.98% survival rate.
Those aren't bad odds.
Bad odds? Are you kidding me? I'll entertain your 99.98% survival rate. Out of the survival rate, we still don't know the long term impact of COVID-19. My coworker that "survived" is basically disabled at the moment. Brain swelling, heart swelling, she still has trouble breathing. She MIGHT be able to come back to work in a few weeks with restrictions if the new glasses she got for the double/blurry/prism vision helps and she's not exhausted all the time.
But yes, keep spouting that 99.98% "survive".
Same thing happens to many people from contracting respiratory illnesses EVERY year.
Long term health effects are actually very common. Propaganda parroting is something you are good at.
I have never the same since getting pneumonia over a decade ago for one. I know many more.
Global Frontline Nurses, look em up.
Frankly, unless you have M.D. or PHD behind your name, I couldn't care less about your uneducated opinions about COVID or about long haulers. PS....this same friend has had pneumonia in the past. She did NOT suffer the same long term effects like she is with COVID.
Also, Pot meet Kettle. Telling me I'm a "propaganda parrot" but in the next breath telling me to go look up some QAnon, conspiracy garbage.
This is why I love the “I don’t live my life in fear...” defense. Half the time any “evidence” is provided it is a BS Facebook fear mongering meme! You’d think these vaccines were made by meth heads in a van behind a planned parenthood where they are collecting aborted babies that are just tossed in a dumpster in the alleyway. They were already cooking with half the product needed and had a lab setup. Oh, they also got microchips from the government to include in each vaccine! Watch out!!!
These people wreak of fear!!! 😒
My husband has had his first dose for almost a month now. He hasn't had any communication from the mothership nor is my 5G signal boosted at home. He also didn't turn into a zombie. I really thought something cool would happen.
At this point, I expect to be catapulted directly into the Matrix universe as soon as I get my vaccine, anything else will be a huge disappointment.
Prepare yourself for the disappointment... My wife and daughter have been vaccinated for 2 months now (they both work in a hospital so were first on the list) and I got my first dose last week and none of us have experienced anything from the vaccines - heck, my arm was sorer from the flu jab last fall than from this one.
I had kinda hoped for an extra arm or eye (or heck, even a boost in the WIFI signal would have been nice), but nothing.7 -
janejellyroll wrote: »pfeiferlindsey wrote: »pfeiferlindsey wrote: »hobbitses333 wrote: »pfeiferlindsey wrote: »Analog_Kid wrote: »Throughout the pandemic, the US COVID mortality rate has steadily hovered around 0.017%
Since deploying the vaccine, the average mortality rate hasn't changed.
With or without the vaccine, COVID has a 99.98% survival rate.
Those aren't bad odds.
Bad odds? Are you kidding me? I'll entertain your 99.98% survival rate. Out of the survival rate, we still don't know the long term impact of COVID-19. My coworker that "survived" is basically disabled at the moment. Brain swelling, heart swelling, she still has trouble breathing. She MIGHT be able to come back to work in a few weeks with restrictions if the new glasses she got for the double/blurry/prism vision helps and she's not exhausted all the time.
But yes, keep spouting that 99.98% "survive".
Same thing happens to many people from contracting respiratory illnesses EVERY year.
Long term health effects are actually very common. Propaganda parroting is something you are good at.
I have never the same since getting pneumonia over a decade ago for one. I know many more.
Global Frontline Nurses, look em up.
Frankly, unless you have M.D. or PHD behind your name, I couldn't care less about your uneducated opinions about COVID or about long haulers. PS....this same friend has had pneumonia in the past. She did NOT suffer the same long term effects like she is with COVID.
Also, Pot meet Kettle. Telling me I'm a "propaganda parrot" but in the next breath telling me to go look up some QAnon, conspiracy garbage.
This is why I love the “I don’t live my life in fear...” defense. Half the time any “evidence” is provided it is a BS Facebook fear mongering meme! You’d think these vaccines were made by meth heads in a van behind a planned parenthood where they are collecting aborted babies that are just tossed in a dumpster in the alleyway. They were already cooking with half the product needed and had a lab setup. Oh, they also got microchips from the government to include in each vaccine! Watch out!!!
These people wreak of fear!!! 😒
My husband has had his first dose for almost a month now. He hasn't had any communication from the mothership nor is my 5G signal boosted at home. He also didn't turn into a zombie. I really thought something cool would happen.
At this point, I expect to be catapulted directly into the Matrix universe as soon as I get my vaccine, anything else will be a huge disappointment.
Prepare yourself for the disappointment... My wife and daughter have been vaccinated for 2 months now (they both work in a hospital so were first on the list) and I got my first dose last week and none of us have experienced anything from the vaccines - heck, my arm was sorer from the flu jab last fall than from this one.
I had kinda hoped for an extra arm or eye (or heck, even a boost in the WIFI signal would have been nice), but nothing.
My mom and brother have been vaccinated (they're both in health care) and they too are mutation-free.2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
My mom and brother have been vaccinated (they're both in health care) and they too are mutation-free.
That's just what they want you to think!
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Well thanks for the input everyone! It’s settled... I’m not getting vaccinated! As a mother of 3 little ones, I was only doing it in hopes I’d grow an additional set of arms! Now that you have all enlightened me to your (and family members, friends, and acquaintances) lack of such side effects, I am no longer interested. I’m so tired and outnumbered, I’ll just surrender and put my fate in the hands of covid!
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janejellyroll wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »Some doctors and nurses are better with needles than others. I've had a few that stung and some I didn't feel.
I think this is true. I get the flu shot every year and some I barely even feel while others are much more painful (still relatively low on the pain scale, but not at all pleasant). Same with blood donation and other types of needle sticks. Some people just seem much more skilled than others.
yeah I had a welt/lump for a week with the flu shot last fall, but the years before that I had nothing. I did not feel them much. Now the shingles vaccine literally BURNED going in both times so I knew that one was a doozy no matter who did it.
The first Pfizer stick I got was absolutely painless. I did have a sore arm from the actual dose I think for a few days but other than that the stick was easy. I expect the second will be also.
I get stuck annually for blood and sometimes it's just random but I have learned that when they don't hit it right NOT to let them dig around but tell them just to get a new needle and stick again.
I also have given sticks to my cats in the past for fluids and you it's definitely easier on them with very sharp needles like Tesuma (sp) and thinner walled ones. There is a whole industry behind needles... LOL.0 -
pfeiferlindsey wrote: »pfeiferlindsey wrote: »hobbitses333 wrote: »pfeiferlindsey wrote: »Analog_Kid wrote: »Throughout the pandemic, the US COVID mortality rate has steadily hovered around 0.017%
Since deploying the vaccine, the average mortality rate hasn't changed.
With or without the vaccine, COVID has a 99.98% survival rate.
Those aren't bad odds.
Bad odds? Are you kidding me? I'll entertain your 99.98% survival rate. Out of the survival rate, we still don't know the long term impact of COVID-19. My coworker that "survived" is basically disabled at the moment. Brain swelling, heart swelling, she still has trouble breathing. She MIGHT be able to come back to work in a few weeks with restrictions if the new glasses she got for the double/blurry/prism vision helps and she's not exhausted all the time.
But yes, keep spouting that 99.98% "survive".
Same thing happens to many people from contracting respiratory illnesses EVERY year.
Long term health effects are actually very common. Propaganda parroting is something you are good at.
I have never the same since getting pneumonia over a decade ago for one. I know many more.
Global Frontline Nurses, look em up.
Frankly, unless you have M.D. or PHD behind your name, I couldn't care less about your uneducated opinions about COVID or about long haulers. PS....this same friend has had pneumonia in the past. She did NOT suffer the same long term effects like she is with COVID.
Also, Pot meet Kettle. Telling me I'm a "propaganda parrot" but in the next breath telling me to go look up some QAnon, conspiracy garbage.
This is why I love the “I don’t live my life in fear...” defense. Half the time any “evidence” is provided it is a BS Facebook fear mongering meme! You’d think these vaccines were made by meth heads in a van behind a planned parenthood where they are collecting aborted babies that are just tossed in a dumpster in the alleyway. They were already cooking with half the product needed and had a lab setup. Oh, they also got microchips from the government to include in each vaccine! Watch out!!!
These people wreak of fear!!! 😒
My husband has had his first dose for almost a month now. He hasn't had any communication from the mothership nor is my 5G signal boosted at home. He also didn't turn into a zombie. I really thought something cool would happen.
That's just because the government hasn't activated the chips yet. Wait for it.
My husband got Moderna and I got Pfizer, so there's going to be REAL trouble when our chips are activated.*
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SuzySunshine99 wrote: »pfeiferlindsey wrote: »pfeiferlindsey wrote: »hobbitses333 wrote: »pfeiferlindsey wrote: »Analog_Kid wrote: »Throughout the pandemic, the US COVID mortality rate has steadily hovered around 0.017%
Since deploying the vaccine, the average mortality rate hasn't changed.
With or without the vaccine, COVID has a 99.98% survival rate.
Those aren't bad odds.
Bad odds? Are you kidding me? I'll entertain your 99.98% survival rate. Out of the survival rate, we still don't know the long term impact of COVID-19. My coworker that "survived" is basically disabled at the moment. Brain swelling, heart swelling, she still has trouble breathing. She MIGHT be able to come back to work in a few weeks with restrictions if the new glasses she got for the double/blurry/prism vision helps and she's not exhausted all the time.
But yes, keep spouting that 99.98% "survive".
Same thing happens to many people from contracting respiratory illnesses EVERY year.
Long term health effects are actually very common. Propaganda parroting is something you are good at.
I have never the same since getting pneumonia over a decade ago for one. I know many more.
Global Frontline Nurses, look em up.
Frankly, unless you have M.D. or PHD behind your name, I couldn't care less about your uneducated opinions about COVID or about long haulers. PS....this same friend has had pneumonia in the past. She did NOT suffer the same long term effects like she is with COVID.
Also, Pot meet Kettle. Telling me I'm a "propaganda parrot" but in the next breath telling me to go look up some QAnon, conspiracy garbage.
This is why I love the “I don’t live my life in fear...” defense. Half the time any “evidence” is provided it is a BS Facebook fear mongering meme! You’d think these vaccines were made by meth heads in a van behind a planned parenthood where they are collecting aborted babies that are just tossed in a dumpster in the alleyway. They were already cooking with half the product needed and had a lab setup. Oh, they also got microchips from the government to include in each vaccine! Watch out!!!
These people wreak of fear!!! 😒
My husband has had his first dose for almost a month now. He hasn't had any communication from the mothership nor is my 5G signal boosted at home. He also didn't turn into a zombie. I really thought something cool would happen.
That's just because the government hasn't activated the chips yet. Wait for it.
My husband got Moderna and I got Pfizer, so there's going to be REAL trouble when our chips are activated.*
*satire
I'm picturing something like Rock'em Sock'em Robots once your opposing chips are activated!4 -
Since I got the microchip with my COVID vaccination I've been able to cancel my Strava subscription and rely on "Big Brother" tracking my bike rides instead.
Bill Gates is apparently fascinated by my average speed and mileage data.
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So, guys, I signed up for that CDC v-safe thing to track any side effects...
The day after I got the vaccine, I had not yet received a text from them to complete the survey. I said OUT LOUD to my husband..."It's 5:30 already...is the CDC going to send me this thing?"
LITERALLY, 30 seconds later, my phone dinged with the text message from them.
MAYBE MY CHIP IS ALREADY ACTIVATED!!
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hobbitses333 wrote: »There is a reason there has been no corona vax to date. Look up what disease enhancement due to pathogenic priming does in relation to coronavirus vacsene testing done on animals. I suggest duck duck go search engine.
We will see who lives. All of the best!
Just go back to Parler and QAnon...8 -
hobbitses333 wrote: »pfeiferlindsey wrote: »Analog_Kid wrote: »Throughout the pandemic, the US COVID mortality rate has steadily hovered around 0.017%
Since deploying the vaccine, the average mortality rate hasn't changed.
With or without the vaccine, COVID has a 99.98% survival rate.
Those aren't bad odds.
Bad odds? Are you kidding me? I'll entertain your 99.98% survival rate. Out of the survival rate, we still don't know the long term impact of COVID-19. My coworker that "survived" is basically disabled at the moment. Brain swelling, heart swelling, she still has trouble breathing. She MIGHT be able to come back to work in a few weeks with restrictions if the new glasses she got for the double/blurry/prism vision helps and she's not exhausted all the time.
But yes, keep spouting that 99.98% "survive".
Same thing happens to many people from contracting respiratory illnesses EVERY year.
Long term health effects are actually very common. Propaganda parroting is something you are good at.
I have never the same since getting pneumonia over a decade ago for one. I know many more.
Global Frontline Nurses, look em up.
I have looked them up, starting back when a social associate of mine started posting pandemic/vaccine articles and memes on Facebook that differed from my views I generally like to look into things that counter my world-view, so that I'm reconsidering whether my view is incorrect. It quickly became obvious that "Global Frontline Nurses" (the organization) was a small group of conspiracy theorists who happen to be nurses (some of whom have since been fired by their employers, quite probably for reasons related to their activities related to this organization, given the timing).
They (and some supporters) do claim to be speaking out for thousands of other nurses who know "the truth", but are afraid to speak up.
At the same time, many individual nurses (and nurses/doctors/epidemiologists I know personally, so can judge their integrity) have said completely opposite things, and mainstream nursing organizations (representing actual thousands of nurses) and nursing colleges (representing extra-knowledgeable academics/researchers in the profession), are also saying things completely at odds with "Global Frontline Nurses" pronouncements.
Admittedly, I've now stopped looking into things that the person I mention posts, because time after time, there were posts that exhibited a bad grasp of statistics via things like misunderstanding and misrepresenting how percentages work, a bad grasp of science via things like arguing that flu virus research of all sorts always and inherently could be applied to Coronaviruses, and worse, sillier stuff that I won't even discuss here. She's wasted my time, time after time. Yes, if she ever says anything accurate, I'll miss out . . . but given the history, I'll take that risk.
She believes the vaccine I got contains a microchip, and that it may "take away specific emotions". I'll be getting the 2nd dose on Thursday.14 -
hobbitses333 wrote: »pfeiferlindsey wrote: »Analog_Kid wrote: »Throughout the pandemic, the US COVID mortality rate has steadily hovered around 0.017%
Since deploying the vaccine, the average mortality rate hasn't changed.
With or without the vaccine, COVID has a 99.98% survival rate.
Those aren't bad odds.
Bad odds? Are you kidding me? I'll entertain your 99.98% survival rate. Out of the survival rate, we still don't know the long term impact of COVID-19. My coworker that "survived" is basically disabled at the moment. Brain swelling, heart swelling, she still has trouble breathing. She MIGHT be able to come back to work in a few weeks with restrictions if the new glasses she got for the double/blurry/prism vision helps and she's not exhausted all the time.
But yes, keep spouting that 99.98% "survive".
Same thing happens to many people from contracting respiratory illnesses EVERY year.
Long term health effects are actually very common. Propaganda parroting is something you are good at.
I have never the same since getting pneumonia over a decade ago for one. I know many more.
Yes, respiratory illnesses of all kinds can have long-term adverse affects. What's not typical is for millions of Americans to all get a respiratory infection in the same year.
If 25 million people were getting pneumonia every year, with half a million dying and let's say another half a million surviving but having their quality of life downgraded, we would've had the exact same push for lockdown, distancing, and vaccinating we're having for covid-19. But instead it's more like 1 million people annually and 50,000 dying.
Just wanted to add to this - I actually think it's a shame that we don't routinely mask during flu season and do more to inconvenience people who don't get the flu vaccine. I think it would be worth it to save the health and lives of some of the thousands of people who suffer long term health implications or die from getting pneumonia from a cold or flu. I'm sure that makes me a bleeding heart socialist sheeple or whatever, but I'd like to live in a world where protecting the people in our communities was important to all of us.
My parents have a tough time getting a decent cell signal in their house and were really hoping the vaccine microchip would help, but no luck. Interestingly, my parents believe that the scope of the pandemic has been overblown and the death numbers inflated, but they both jumped to get the vaccine when offered. They saw no believable reason to fear it and figured if everyone would just shut up and get the vaccine, we can all just get back to our lives. I do hope that more practical view catches on in the covid-denying group.13 -
hobbitses333 wrote: »pfeiferlindsey wrote: »Analog_Kid wrote: »Throughout the pandemic, the US COVID mortality rate has steadily hovered around 0.017%
Since deploying the vaccine, the average mortality rate hasn't changed.
With or without the vaccine, COVID has a 99.98% survival rate.
Those aren't bad odds.
Bad odds? Are you kidding me? I'll entertain your 99.98% survival rate. Out of the survival rate, we still don't know the long term impact of COVID-19. My coworker that "survived" is basically disabled at the moment. Brain swelling, heart swelling, she still has trouble breathing. She MIGHT be able to come back to work in a few weeks with restrictions if the new glasses she got for the double/blurry/prism vision helps and she's not exhausted all the time.
But yes, keep spouting that 99.98% "survive".
Same thing happens to many people from contracting respiratory illnesses EVERY year.
Long term health effects are actually very common. Propaganda parroting is something you are good at.
I have never the same since getting pneumonia over a decade ago for one. I know many more.
Yes, respiratory illnesses of all kinds can have long-term adverse affects. What's not typical is for millions of Americans to all get a respiratory infection in the same year.
If 25 million people were getting pneumonia every year, with half a million dying and let's say another half a million surviving but having their quality of life downgraded, we would've had the exact same push for lockdown, distancing, and vaccinating we're having for covid-19. But instead it's more like 1 million people annually and 50,000 dying.
Just wanted to add to this - I actually think it's a shame that we don't routinely mask during flu season and do more to inconvenience people who don't get the flu vaccine. I think it would be worth it to save the health and lives of some of the thousands of people who suffer long term health implications or die from getting pneumonia from a cold or flu. I'm sure that makes me a bleeding heart socialist sheeple or whatever, but I'd like to live in a world where protecting the people in our communities was important to all of us.
My parents have a tough time getting a decent cell signal in their house and were really hoping the vaccine microchip would help, but no luck. Interestingly, my parents believe that the scope of the pandemic has been overblown and the death numbers inflated, but they both jumped to get the vaccine when offered. They saw no believable reason to fear it and figured if everyone would just shut up and get the vaccine, we can all just get back to our lives. I do hope that more practical view catches on in the covid-denying group.
I do hope that one thing that comes out of this is that people do take going out while ill more seriously.
In a lot of workplaces, it was pretty normalized to come to work even if you were hacking and sneezing. Maybe we'll all be more thoughtful about that now.
(To be clear, I'm not talking about people who HAVE to work because they may lose their job or have insufficient sick days and may not be able to pay their rent if they call in sick. I'm talking about situations where we have a decent sick time policy and the ability to work from home and you'd still see people come in with obvious illnesses.
Pre-pandemic, this was very common in my office).6 -
hobbitses333 wrote: »pfeiferlindsey wrote: »Analog_Kid wrote: »Throughout the pandemic, the US COVID mortality rate has steadily hovered around 0.017%
Since deploying the vaccine, the average mortality rate hasn't changed.
With or without the vaccine, COVID has a 99.98% survival rate.
Those aren't bad odds.
Bad odds? Are you kidding me? I'll entertain your 99.98% survival rate. Out of the survival rate, we still don't know the long term impact of COVID-19. My coworker that "survived" is basically disabled at the moment. Brain swelling, heart swelling, she still has trouble breathing. She MIGHT be able to come back to work in a few weeks with restrictions if the new glasses she got for the double/blurry/prism vision helps and she's not exhausted all the time.
But yes, keep spouting that 99.98% "survive".
Same thing happens to many people from contracting respiratory illnesses EVERY year.
Long term health effects are actually very common. Propaganda parroting is something you are good at.
I have never the same since getting pneumonia over a decade ago for one. I know many more.
Yes, respiratory illnesses of all kinds can have long-term adverse affects. What's not typical is for millions of Americans to all get a respiratory infection in the same year.
If 25 million people were getting pneumonia every year, with half a million dying and let's say another half a million surviving but having their quality of life downgraded, we would've had the exact same push for lockdown, distancing, and vaccinating we're having for covid-19. But instead it's more like 1 million people annually and 50,000 dying.
Just wanted to add to this - I actually think it's a shame that we don't routinely mask during flu season and do more to inconvenience people who don't get the flu vaccine. I think it would be worth it to save the health and lives of some of the thousands of people who suffer long term health implications or die from getting pneumonia from a cold or flu. I'm sure that makes me a bleeding heart socialist sheeple or whatever, but I'd like to live in a world where protecting the people in our communities was important to all of us.
My parents have a tough time getting a decent cell signal in their house and were really hoping the vaccine microchip would help, but no luck. Interestingly, my parents believe that the scope of the pandemic has been overblown and the death numbers inflated, but they both jumped to get the vaccine when offered. They saw no believable reason to fear it and figured if everyone would just shut up and get the vaccine, we can all just get back to our lives. I do hope that more practical view catches on in the covid-denying group.
I will sheepishly admit that I, until recently, was not fond of the flu vaccine. Last year, we decided we didn't want to play the game of, "Is it flu or is it COVID?" and we all got our flu vaccine. I'm sure it was a combination of the shot, social distancing and masking, but the only illness that struck the house over the winter was strep throat for my daughter and a head cold for my husband (both did receive a COVID test to be safe). I'm sold on the flu vaccine. Normally my daughter is knocked out for a min. of 1 week a year with a flu-like illness.
I agree, I do hope masking sticks around. But given the fact people meltdown over being asked to wear one when they go grocery shopping, I don't have much hope.5 -
I've had the flu once as an adult. It was miserable. Much worse than I remembered from childhood. Spent $200+ on Theraflu. That was more than ten years ago, I've never missed a flu shot since, and I've never had the flu again. I know luck plays a role in that, the flu vaccine is less effective than the covid vaccines. But it stacks the deck heavily in my favor. I really don't like feeling crappy, this is a cheap, easy, and safe way to avoid it.11
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I am grateful that wearing a mask does not bother me. Do I love it? No. At the end of the day is it a deal breaker? No...
I have a tried many, many different ones to find something I felt comfortable in. TBH, I sometimes forget I’m wearing it driving by myself when I’m in a car (yes, I’m that dork) or when I’m in my office at work with the door shut). I’ve gotten used to it. When we had to start wearing them, I never thought I would.2 -
rheddmobile wrote: »
Which is, by the way, another lie. You could totally eat it and it wouldn’t hurt you.janejellyroll wrote: »I'm not super opinionated about this. For me, 2020 was just so exhausting that I could not keep up with all of the information being thrown at me. Normally, I am a thinking person who would try to see both points of view and then make informed opinions but I'm not a scientist and I didn't have the capacity to keep up with everything.
So I got my first Covid shot last weekend. I am so past the stage of trying to decipher everything and more in the "just tell me what I have to do and I'll do it" stage.
Honestly, we CAN'T be experts in everything we need to be. I'm all for people taking their scientific and medical literacy into their own hands and learning how to interpret varying sources of information, but I think part of the pickle we're in is that too many people are skipping the preliminary work and just deciding that they -- without any special effort -- are as qualified as people who work with viruses and infectious diseases all the time. There's no shame, IMO, in knowing that we don't know what we need to know and listening to people who do this for a living.
There have been many times when I've read about a subject, not known what to do, and just gone to my doctor and asked for their help with a decision. Hasn't steered me wrong yet.
There's too many people trying to apply their regular common sense and non-medical inferences to this subject and it's resulting in nothing more useful than some Facebook memes about how you shouldn't get a vaccine because if you ate it, it would hurt you.
But I’ll bet it wouldn’t taste that good. 😉0 -
NorthCascades wrote: »I've had the flu once as an adult. It was miserable. Much worse than I remembered from childhood. Spent $200+ on Theraflu. That was more than ten years ago, I've never missed a flu shot since, and I've never had the flu again. I know luck plays a role in that, the flu vaccine is less effective than the covid vaccines. But it stacks the deck heavily in my favor. I really don't like feeling crappy, this is a cheap, easy, and safe way to avoid it.
Every year I would get sick, be miserable, and promise myself that "next year I will get the shot". And then I never did. This past fall there was a big push on for everyone to get their flu shot and my doctors office had a walk in clinic so I did get it, hopefully I will keep it up from now on.2 -
I am grateful that wearing a mask does not bother me. Do I love it? No. At the end of the day is it a deal breaker? No...
I have a tried many, many different ones to find something I felt comfortable in. TBH, I sometimes forget I’m wearing it driving by myself when I’m in a car (yes, I’m that dork) or when I’m in my office at work with the door shut). I’ve gotten used to it. When we had to start wearing them, I never thought I would.
I'm that dork, too, and it makes me eye-roll when I see posts where other people are talking about how idiotic it is when people are wearing a mask in their own car. I obviously disagree, but it's not that I've forgotten, either (usually 😉).
For me, if I'm driving from one store where I needed a mask to another store where I'll also need it, and the mask is bothering me exactly zero (i.e., not a day so cold my glasses fog), why would I take it off? If it's raining, and I'm briefly in my car between two places where I'll be out in the rain, I don't usually take my raincoat off. Why fuss with it? On top of that, unlike the raincoat, when I fuss with the mask, I should be hand-washing or hand-sanitizing, so if I don't fuss with the mask, that's not so vital.
To me, wearing the mask is just not a big deal. Anybody I know in real life who's made a big point about the idiocy of people wearing masks in cars (when others do it) IMO has been really making a different point, pretty much that they think a mask is an imposition they'd like to rebel against.
(Again, I'm excluding people with health-related breathing problems, or anxiety/claustrophobia about it. *Those* people may not understand why or how others can keep the mask on longer than the minimum, but I doubt that they're making a big fuss about how people are idiots when they do so. Just guessing on that part, though.)9 -
NorthCascades wrote: »I've had the flu once as an adult. It was miserable. Much worse than I remembered from childhood. Spent $200+ on Theraflu. That was more than ten years ago, I've never missed a flu shot since, and I've never had the flu again. I know luck plays a role in that, the flu vaccine is less effective than the covid vaccines. But it stacks the deck heavily in my favor. I really don't like feeling crappy, this is a cheap, easy, and safe way to avoid it.
I wouldn't wish flu on my worst enemy. Not sure which was worse...the 104 degree fever for multiple days, the infection afterwards that caused me to cough up green stuff for over a month, the impetigo that caused sores from my nose to my chin. And I'm a fairly healthy person overall. I wanted to die.
If COVID is "just another flu" (PSA, it's not), no thank you. I'll get my vaccine for both.4 -
rheddmobile wrote: »
Which is, by the way, another lie. You could totally eat it and it wouldn’t hurt you.janejellyroll wrote: »I'm not super opinionated about this. For me, 2020 was just so exhausting that I could not keep up with all of the information being thrown at me. Normally, I am a thinking person who would try to see both points of view and then make informed opinions but I'm not a scientist and I didn't have the capacity to keep up with everything.
So I got my first Covid shot last weekend. I am so past the stage of trying to decipher everything and more in the "just tell me what I have to do and I'll do it" stage.
Honestly, we CAN'T be experts in everything we need to be. I'm all for people taking their scientific and medical literacy into their own hands and learning how to interpret varying sources of information, but I think part of the pickle we're in is that too many people are skipping the preliminary work and just deciding that they -- without any special effort -- are as qualified as people who work with viruses and infectious diseases all the time. There's no shame, IMO, in knowing that we don't know what we need to know and listening to people who do this for a living.
There have been many times when I've read about a subject, not known what to do, and just gone to my doctor and asked for their help with a decision. Hasn't steered me wrong yet.
There's too many people trying to apply their regular common sense and non-medical inferences to this subject and it's resulting in nothing more useful than some Facebook memes about how you shouldn't get a vaccine because if you ate it, it would hurt you.
But I’ll bet it wouldn’t taste that good. 😉
Also, how would you log it? I'm guessing the calorie/macro information would be really hard to find.4 -
janejellyroll wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »
Which is, by the way, another lie. You could totally eat it and it wouldn’t hurt you.janejellyroll wrote: »I'm not super opinionated about this. For me, 2020 was just so exhausting that I could not keep up with all of the information being thrown at me. Normally, I am a thinking person who would try to see both points of view and then make informed opinions but I'm not a scientist and I didn't have the capacity to keep up with everything.
So I got my first Covid shot last weekend. I am so past the stage of trying to decipher everything and more in the "just tell me what I have to do and I'll do it" stage.
Honestly, we CAN'T be experts in everything we need to be. I'm all for people taking their scientific and medical literacy into their own hands and learning how to interpret varying sources of information, but I think part of the pickle we're in is that too many people are skipping the preliminary work and just deciding that they -- without any special effort -- are as qualified as people who work with viruses and infectious diseases all the time. There's no shame, IMO, in knowing that we don't know what we need to know and listening to people who do this for a living.
There have been many times when I've read about a subject, not known what to do, and just gone to my doctor and asked for their help with a decision. Hasn't steered me wrong yet.
There's too many people trying to apply their regular common sense and non-medical inferences to this subject and it's resulting in nothing more useful than some Facebook memes about how you shouldn't get a vaccine because if you ate it, it would hurt you.
But I’ll bet it wouldn’t taste that good. 😉
Also, how would you log it? I'm guessing the calorie/macro information would be really hard to find.
I’d just use the database entries for rat poison and bleach... be sure to double the serving size of both to be sure you aren’t underestimating. Close enough!
On second thought, if you request the keto friendly version that’s also gluten and dairy free, you may want to ask for an ingredient list to ensure accurate logging!
Hope this helps! 😙4 -
pfeiferlindsey wrote: »I wouldn't wish flu on my worst enemy.
Had the flu once in my life. Was probably the worst I have ever felt. Hot on the outside, freezing on the inside. My bones ached. My arms and legs felt like they weighed a thousand pounds. Everything hurt. I was 27 and bounced right back. Would not want to have to do it again at 49...4 -
"Results from the long-awaited US trial of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine are out and confirm that the shot is both safe and highly effective.
More than 32,000 volunteers took part, mostly in America, but also in Chile and Peru.
The vaccine was 79% effective at stopping symptomatic Covid disease and 100% effective at preventing people from falling seriously ill."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56479462
Don't suppose even these remarkable results from a very large trial will influence the dimwits opposed to vaccinations but should reassure those that are on the fence or have genuine concerns.
Also, news reports are saying that they specifically looked for the blood clotting issue some of Europe has been concerned about. They saw zero instances. This doesn't mean it doesn't happen - the report I heard was careful to say that - but it does mean that at worst it's *extremely* rare.
The data that caused panic in Europe showed 7 people out of 1 million developed a blood clot. The incidence of blood clots in the general population is 1-2 people per 1,000. Many people develop blood clots for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with the vaccine. Many people got freaked out over nothing!9 -
"Results from the long-awaited US trial of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine are out and confirm that the shot is both safe and highly effective.
More than 32,000 volunteers took part, mostly in America, but also in Chile and Peru.
The vaccine was 79% effective at stopping symptomatic Covid disease and 100% effective at preventing people from falling seriously ill."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56479462
Don't suppose even these remarkable results from a very large trial will influence the dimwits opposed to vaccinations but should reassure those that are on the fence or have genuine concerns.
Also, news reports are saying that they specifically looked for the blood clotting issue some of Europe has been concerned about. They saw zero instances. This doesn't mean it doesn't happen - the report I heard was careful to say that - but it does mean that at worst it's *extremely* rare.
The data that caused panic in Europe showed 7 people out of 1 million developed a blood clot. The incidence of blood clots in the general population is 1-2 people per 1,000. Many people develop blood clots for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with the vaccine. Many people got freaked out over nothing!
While I completely agree with you, there is an added detail. The point of concern was the incidence among vaccine recipients who were also young women, not the most likely blood clot group but not unheard of either, obv. So the relevant comparison was to young women, not gen pop. But the incidence rate checked out as not problematic.1
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