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Got shot 2 of Pfizer yesterday late afternoon, and am feeling fine today. Had minor arm pain w/in a couple of hours (and still, but this is very minor, as with shot one it wouldn't stop me working out or even doing arm day), and unlike shot one feel generally a little under the weather (but like a minor flu or medium cold without coughing or sneezing -- bit tired, slightly sore, just not energetic). Felt worse (bit feverish, but no actual temp so might have been in my head), and more bodily exhaustion earlier in the day, then energetic, now kind of tired. Overall, no biggie, happy to be vaccinated and looking forward to a couple of weeks from now when I firmly intend (with a mask) to go to a restaurant and to the movies and when possible work-wise to go visit my dad in WA.
I had my second shot on the 14th and had a very similar experience except my timeline was somewhat delayed - fatigue hit after dinner last night, etc. Am feeling fine today.
Did have some blurred vision this AM but can now see the computer with my regular glasses again.5 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »In a related question to the pulse oximeter (which my Apple watch has one and sometimes it is accurate LOL). How many folks do NOT have a thermometer? I am constantly astounded to hear friends tell me when I ask if they are running a fever that they do not have one......I will admit that without children prior to having the flu in early 2018, I only had a couple old ones which the batteries were dead on, but with Covid, I have at least 1 which runs mechanically (not mercury but another chemical which is just as difficult to read) and 2 which are digital.
I think it is way more common to have one if you have kids.
I had an old, nearly dead digital one that I hadn't used in a while...it got some use early on in the pandemic, when I was paranoid and taking my temperature every day.
I just replaced it with a new digital one, and put it to good use! Got to tell the CDC survey exactly how high my fever was after my second vaccine dose!
No kids here. Had to buy one. Only could find a basal thermometer. Still works the same, just thought it was funny (too old to have kids).
When I started reading, for a quick second I thought you bought a kid . . . 😬
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »My SIL texted me that her neighbor had gone to the health dept vaccine clinic nearby for her appt and heard they had a couple of hundred extra J&J shots that they were accepting walk ins for. I put on some real pants and ran down there and within 15 minutes I was vaccinated.
I am on their mailing list and follow them on FB, and there were no emails or posts advertising it. And there were folks there, but no line. I'm so grateful I found out about it, but no idea why they weren't pulling names off the state list and texting people.
So I ran a bit of a fever last night and felt generally achy. I woke up this morning and the fever is gone for now, but the news said the FDA is suggesting the US halt J&J because it's also seeing rare cases of this blood clot disorder. Oh boy
Nate Silver has a valid point if you follow him on Twitter. Basically pointing out that the number of deaths prevented by going forward with the vaccine far outweighs the number of deaths from this blood clot issue. He is right.
From a public health perspective it makes sense, even if 1/1000 people died from the vaccine, the other 999 would be protected from COVID death. But do I want to be that one person who sacrifices myself for the cause? Not really.
I think the main issue here is that we have other vaccines available that don't *seem* to have the same reaction. So is it really ethical to continue using vaccines that do cause this reaction?
As paperpudding suggested that probably depends on how bad the outbreak is in a given place. In Australia it would seem that they could safely wait without too much death and destruction happening. Here in Ontario cases are out of control and our hospitals are getting overwhelmed, so might not be the best idea to wait.
J&J is the only single-dose, and I am hearing from a lot of people that won't do 2, but will take 1. Or they are ok with J&J because it works differently supposedly. In addition, a single-dose works best for transient populations (such as prisons).
Finally, there is that question of how many vaccine doses are available otherwise. Does pulling J&J delay some from getting a vaccine. My understanding is that the answer is Yes... and that's why the risk is so much higher to pull it.
FTR nobody is "sacrificing" themselves - it isn't known if you will be the 1 in 7 million that dies from the vaccine. It is taking a risk of getting Covid (1 in 15,000 deaths if using conservative estimates and incorrectly ignoring compounded spread to others) vs. taking the risk of death from vaccine at 1 in 7,000,000.
My "sacrificing myself" comment was based on my hypothetical 1/1000 scenario regarding risk in general not specific to the 1 in 7 million. However the 1 in 7 million isn't necessarily accurate either as they don't have all the data. For example if elderly populations were vaccinated first (and make up say half of the 7 million) and they react less frequently then the risk to someone 30 years old could be significantly higher. Also they originally said that women were at higher risk for AZ but that could due to the fact that the proportion of women in health care fields is higher, so they got the vaccine first.
All that said the risk does appear to be quite low - but we won't know until a lot more data comes in how low it really is.
Elderly who wanted vaccines got them before J&J became available in US, so highly unlikely that half are elderly. Recipients will skew young.
At least here in California, the J&J vaccine was also very popular for and among the homeless population here because it was one dose. I would guess that's the case elsewhere as well, too. Our Public Health/COVID Response Director said the pause in administering J&J was also likely to give time to track down those who might have had side effects as they might not be readily identifiable as CVST or that they are related to the vaccine, given that the reactions have occurred at least six days after the person received the vaccine.
Yes, I've also heard this about the J&J vaccine being preferable to give the homeless.0 -
missysippy930 wrote: »My parents were fully vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine a month ago, I received the J&J vaccine around the same time. I had to take my father to the hospital to replace a defibrillator battery. After about four hours in the ER, they did a COVID test for him, and it was positive.
So, I had to leave the hospital immediately, and I had to get a COVID test per CDC guidelines. It's a surreal feeling when you thought you and yours were protected, but maybe not.
BTW, for those who haven't had the joy of pushing a bristly stick up your own nose and swishing it around your nasal cavity, I recommend it because you can promise yourself a doughnut afterwards.
I am kind of concerned about this happening.
I hope your father’s case is mild. Did your mother get tested as well? Wishing you and your family the best possible outcome.
Actually, he has no symptoms at all, which is why it was such a shock that he tested positive. He was discharged this morning, and both my mother and brother had negative tests. Mine hasn't come back yet, but other than exhausted from all this drama, I feel OK, too.
I did eat *way* too many m&ms and Reece's pieces when I came home, and enjoyed my two sugar-free margarita shooters. Back on the wagon tomorrow. Thanks for asking! 😊13 -
I happened to be on my way to the register at Walmart today (I go there every couple of months to stock up on the only litter my cat will accept) when over the loudspeaker they announced that anyone over 16 could come to the pharmacy and get the Moderna vax as a walk in. (California)
It was such a fight 2 months ago to find a spot anywhere in the county for my frontline worker husband that I thought I'd never get it. They still had long lines at the stadium a few days ago, so I thought wow, better check out the stampede as I pass by the pharmacy.
There was no stampede, no crowd, not even a line! There was no wait, no one at the window ahead of me, so I went for it. It was almost too easy...😉 The tech said they'd just started giving them this week so a lot of people don't know about it.
It's kind of a relief that I won't have the same stress hunting down the vax that everyone else I know has had. I'll be able to go on my birthday trip at the end of next month with both doses done! ⭐
I was initially hoping to find somewhere I could get a one-and-done J&J vax, cuz I don't enjoy shots, but my sister so eloquently pointed out to me that, "as a woman of a certain age" I might want to rethink it. I guess I'll be putting up with two jabs instead of one.
P.S. the initial shot itself was slightly uncomfortable, with the needle busting through the muscle and all, but after the poke, it's been less of a reaction than the flu shot for me. I usually feel fluish within an hour and kinda blah the first night after a flu shot. This one was like nothing at all, but a slightly sore arm that came on a few hours later. We'll see how round 2 goes...
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girlwithcurls2 wrote: »Who here (besides me) bought a pulse oximeter because of COVID?
when myself and a family member both had covid, it was comforting to check my oxygen levels while recovering at home.
Late to the party, but chiming in...
I bought one after learning about them here, on this thread. Those of you who are knowledgeable and breaking down some of the science for those of us who don't speak it well have been SO helpful. I have learned to much through this discussion. I was just telling my 85+ year old parents today that of all places, a calorie counting /fitness board has helped me to understand this virus, how it spreads, the differences between the vaccines and more. I can't always remember all of the facts to dispute misinformation in the moment, but I know what I need to do to stay safe and why we need to keep doing it, thanks to some really smart people here
That describes perfectly how I feel about all the virus info here. I'd much rather read what you all know about it than wade through all the social media propaganda every where else. I feel I can depend on the wisdom here. And this place was exactly why I purchased an oximeter as well.Maybe you guys all deserve a percentage from Amazon oximeter sales.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/04/vaccine-related-blood-clot-mystery-must-be-solved/618623/
I thought this was an interesting article about some theories on the blood clot issues.
that is a great link. A bit too tech for me as it delved into a lot of things but encouraging to see there are clues and possible answers. I have been wondering if the clotting side effect was also similar to the clotting issue with covid and thinking that if those same people got sick with Covid they might ALSO have had that reaction. Just rambling (my disagree person doesn't need to disagree with EVERY post I make do they?)
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Australia and New Zealand started our Trans-Tasman bubble as of yesterday so we are free to travel between the two countries even unvaccinated and without testing. I hope this works out well. It's so nice seeing so many family and friends finally reunited! I would feel better about it if we'd have to do one of those rapid diagnostic tests though at the very least. Also it is quarantine-free travel.11
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Interesting and informative article for everyone to read and pass on. Click the link below to read the full information.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/19/health/cdc-covid-guidelines-cleaning/index.html
"CDC determined that the risk of surface transmission is low, and secondary to the primary routes of virus transmission through direct contact droplets and aerosols," Vincent Hill, Chief of the Waterborne Disease Prevention Branch, said on a CDC-sponsored telephone briefing.
...Hill said the risk of transmission from touching a surface, while small, is elevated indoors. Outdoors, the sun and other factors can destroy viruses, Hill said.
Household cleaners pose a danger
...Hill cited CDC research from June of 2020 showing that, of those people surveyed, "only 58% knew that bleach should not be mixed with ammonia, because mixing bleach and ammonia creates a toxic gas that harms people's lungs."
"Nineteen percent wash food products with bleach, which could lead to their consumption of bleach that isn't washed off, which can damage the body because bleach is toxic. Eighteen percent used household cleaner on bare skin, which can damage the skin and cause rashes and burns," Hill said.2 -
Interesting and informative article for everyone to read and pass on. Click the link below to read the full information.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/19/health/cdc-covid-guidelines-cleaning/index.html
"CDC determined that the risk of surface transmission is low, and secondary to the primary routes of virus transmission through direct contact droplets and aerosols," Vincent Hill, Chief of the Waterborne Disease Prevention Branch, said on a CDC-sponsored telephone briefing.
...Hill said the risk of transmission from touching a surface, while small, is elevated indoors. Outdoors, the sun and other factors can destroy viruses, Hill said.
Household cleaners pose a danger
...Hill cited CDC research from June of 2020 showing that, of those people surveyed, "only 58% knew that bleach should not be mixed with ammonia, because mixing bleach and ammonia creates a toxic gas that harms people's lungs."
"Nineteen percent wash food products with bleach, which could lead to their consumption of bleach that isn't washed off, which can damage the body because bleach is toxic. Eighteen percent used household cleaner on bare skin, which can damage the skin and cause rashes and burns," Hill said.
It sounds like we need better education.9 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Interesting and informative article for everyone to read and pass on. Click the link below to read the full information.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/19/health/cdc-covid-guidelines-cleaning/index.html
"CDC determined that the risk of surface transmission is low, and secondary to the primary routes of virus transmission through direct contact droplets and aerosols," Vincent Hill, Chief of the Waterborne Disease Prevention Branch, said on a CDC-sponsored telephone briefing.
...Hill said the risk of transmission from touching a surface, while small, is elevated indoors. Outdoors, the sun and other factors can destroy viruses, Hill said.
Household cleaners pose a danger
...Hill cited CDC research from June of 2020 showing that, of those people surveyed, "only 58% knew that bleach should not be mixed with ammonia, because mixing bleach and ammonia creates a toxic gas that harms people's lungs."
"Nineteen percent wash food products with bleach, which could lead to their consumption of bleach that isn't washed off, which can damage the body because bleach is toxic. Eighteen percent used household cleaner on bare skin, which can damage the skin and cause rashes and burns," Hill said.
It sounds like we need better education.
Speaking of the need for better education, I made a new Covid education related topic here: https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10830885/how-many-of-you-know-the-non-vaccinated-covid-hospitalization-rate-without-googling-it/p10 -
I just got my second Moderna shot. Definitely felt it going in this time; either because it was a different pharmacist or it was the chip going in.15
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My mom didn't feel either Moderna shot going in. I DID feel it (first shot). I wuz robbed.7
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I just love so many are getting vaxxed finally!!!12
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My husband and I are celebrating today, two weeks out from our second Pfizer shot, so we are as vaccinated as we’re gonna get! Now just gotta pray none of the variants can find a way past the vaccine. Since we are both high risk we have been praying for this day. With the vaccine not 100% effective and community transmission still high we are still not planning any high risk activities, but hopefully we can relax a little and stop worrying we might get it despite all precautions doing the unavoidable low risk activities necessary for daily life. I can go get my blood work done, we can pass shoulder-to-shoulder with rude people who refuse to get over on trails, we can step into that one bbq place where no one ever wears a mask to pick up food.
It’s been harrowing and I am christening today my private Freedom from Fear day. Hoping everyone here will soon be able to take a deep breath and get back to being afraid of normal stuff like car accidents and strange growths that need biopsies. Remember when all we had to worry about was the personal tragedies that happen to everyone eventually, instead of all being afraid of one big thing that threatened everyone at the same time?21 -
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Hubby and I had second Pfizers a week ago. I did feel the second shot "more" than the first. But it was about the same as a mosquito bite. I could sense it, but not much more.
Day after, my stomach was off and backache with slight temp. For Hubs, he was sick two days. Temp of 101, all his joints hurt. Taking a shower, the water hurt his scalp. We also think it has kicked up some reflux for him. Other than lingering reflux, we were both good at 48 hours. Testing some prilosec to see if that will end the reflux.13 -
My city is opening vaccination for 55+ age group. That’s my parents’ and their friends’ age group and my oldest coworkers belong in that group as well. Really happy things are progressing and people around me are slowly but surely starting to form herd immunity while infection numbers are going down.
Restaurants opened this week for daytime only, alcohol sales must end at 5PM and food service ends at 7PM, I think. Still not going to any restaurants, at least not before the end of next week, to wait and see if infection numbers keep going down. It’s nice to have more variety for delivery options as many places closed their kitchens as well.
If the numbers keep going down, I might start going back to the office a couple of days per week in May. I really miss the social interaction and would love to have a few months of some kind of social life before starting maternity leave and staying home with the baby.13 -
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My city is opening vaccination for 55+ age group. That’s my parents’ and their friends’ age group and my oldest coworkers belong in that group as well. Really happy things are progressing and people around me are slowly but surely starting to form herd immunity while infection numbers are going down.
Restaurants opened this week for daytime only, alcohol sales must end at 5PM and food service ends at 7PM, I think. Still not going to any restaurants, at least not before the end of next week, to wait and see if infection numbers keep going down. It’s nice to have more variety for delivery options as many places closed their kitchens as well.
If the numbers keep going down, I might start going back to the office a couple of days per week in May. I really miss the social interaction and would love to have a few months of some kind of social life before starting maternity leave and staying home with the baby.
Please be extra careful - I don't want to scare you but the variants here are hitting pregnant women harder than the first two waves. I saw a report that at one hospital in Toronto 6 of their 20 ICU beds were pregnant women.
There are lots of calls here for the gov't to make pregnant women a priority group for vaccination, because most don't qualify based on age yet.
Of course Covid is out of control here right now (pushing 5000 cases per day) not sure how the cases are where you are.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-doctors-advocate-for-higher-vaccine-priority-for-pregnant-people-as-icu-rates-climb-1.59926288 -
I’ve found this pic in today’s newspaper and I thought it was really relevant for our discussions here. It’s in Dutch but self-explanatory, basically the risk for thrombosis in % of different situations.
Source: Tromboses na coronavaccins: hoe vaak komen ze voor in vergelijking met rokers of vrouwen die de pil nemen?
https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2021/04/20/trombose-en-vaccins-de-risico-s-in-perspectief/
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My city is opening vaccination for 55+ age group. That’s my parents’ and their friends’ age group and my oldest coworkers belong in that group as well. Really happy things are progressing and people around me are slowly but surely starting to form herd immunity while infection numbers are going down.
Restaurants opened this week for daytime only, alcohol sales must end at 5PM and food service ends at 7PM, I think. Still not going to any restaurants, at least not before the end of next week, to wait and see if infection numbers keep going down. It’s nice to have more variety for delivery options as many places closed their kitchens as well.
If the numbers keep going down, I might start going back to the office a couple of days per week in May. I really miss the social interaction and would love to have a few months of some kind of social life before starting maternity leave and staying home with the baby.
Please be extra careful - I don't want to scare you but the variants here are hitting pregnant women harder than the first two waves. I saw a report that at one hospital in Toronto 6 of their 20 ICU beds were pregnant women.
There are lots of calls here for the gov't to make pregnant women a priority group for vaccination, because most don't qualify based on age yet.
Of course Covid is out of control here right now (pushing 5000 cases per day) not sure how the cases are where you are.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-doctors-advocate-for-higher-vaccine-priority-for-pregnant-people-as-icu-rates-climb-1.5992628
Thanks for your concern, I really appreciate it. I’m definitely not going to push my luck with anything that feels too risky. Our current situation is pretty good, with 143 cases per 100 000 people within last 14 days in my area. Yesterday there were 128 new reported cases in the whole country (5,5 million people) if I’m reading this correctly. The covid situation is much, much better here than what it sounds like in Toronto, but we don’t have any vaccines approved for pregnant women.
So far my biggest personal covid-related limitation is masks making nausea worse. I’ve solved this mostly by making indoor mask situations as brief as possible and sending my husband to get groceries whenever I’m feeling sick. Last week I needed to take the subway for a doctor’s appointment, and ended up wearing my mask in the station and to enter and exit the train, but in the train I got a seat in the farthest corner possible, facing the end of the train car so there’s nobody near me or anywhere in front of me. I took the mask off for the duration of the trip, as I was making myself as safe as possible without mask, and vomiting in the subway train doesn’t make it safer for anyone. Until the mask nausea eases, I won’t be making any unnecessary trips anywhere that requires public transportation.20 -
After my first moderna shot the pharmacist didn't say anything about avoiding painkillers. This time I was told to take Tylenol and avoid ibuprofin. I just checked the CDC guidance and it doesn't suggest any restrictions post shot. Any ideas why there is a difference?1
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@lokihen
For what I read, there are concerns that pain killers, especially ibuprofen and anti-inflammatory med and mostly before vaccination, may interfere with the immune response to the vaccine.
After each of my shots the nurses also recommended to take Tylenol, if needed to control any aches and pain, and to stay away from ibuprofen. There are conflicting information about both of them; so to be safe I chose to take one 500mg Tylenol at night. See below
Can I take Ibuprofen before or after a COVID-19 vaccine? https://fox2now.com/news/can-i-take-ibuprofen-before-or-after-a-covid-19-vaccine/2 -
I think you are a little early, but it's coming.
https://techstartups.com/2021/04/12/are-you-ready-for-the-covid-19-monitoring-microchip-to-be-implanted-under-your-skin-the-us-government-just-reveals-a-new-covid-19-implantable-microchip/1 -
I was told no painkillers before, but fine after, with no distinction (I am skeptical it makes a huge difference anyway, even before). I did take Advil the day after when I felt a bit not so good, as I find Advil works better on me than Tylenol. I am not concerned. I'm sure it won't interfere with the chip implantation! I already feel extra good about Bill Gates. ;-)10
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Woohoo! Got the fever. Have had every side effect listed.15
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Woohoo! Got the fever. Have had every side effect listed.
Ummm.. I hope no anaphylaxis, shingles or blood clots! Not sure which you got but they are the two I'm worried about when I get mine which will be AstraZeneca. You sound rather happy though so that is goodI'm going for a shingles shot before it I think. I'm old enough now.
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