Coronavirus prep
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Any party that has an ambulance sitting at the ready in the parking lot does not strike me as scaled down IMO. Definitely pics out there so I will still be curious about the aftermath.
Hubby and I turn 60 this year. His “event” had five of us. Two of us, two close friends and his mother (we were in Florida). Mine in October could be slightly bigger as we are in mass and our two children are here. No friends will be included. Only family and total size will remain less and 10.
Given Mr. Obama's status as an ex-President I wouldn't doubt there is an ambulance near him at all times, along with the Secret Service detail.
Secret service, yes. No indication that ambulance is near at all times. There is not one regularly parked in his driveway. So indicators are that this ambulance is due to the party.
It would be easier to evaluate that claim if you posted the source.
Statement from a friend who summers there. Don't think they want their name and number listed here. On the off hand my friend is incompetent, just now i did a best effort internet search. This is what I could come up with: https://www.ntu.org/foundation/tax-page/pensions-and-perks-for-former-presidents-archive Reading that IMO supports the claim.
I searched for Obama and ambulance and found a bunch of stuff unrelated to covid or the party. Also, I found a bunch of biased-seeming coverage.
In any case, given the many other events (like Lolla) that have been happening, the idea that Obama's party is some major issue seems unfounded to me, and the idea that some ambulance is waiting for quick acting covid (which seemed to be the suggestion) doesn't really make sense.
The ambulance was there due the fact it was a highly publicized event with a high concentration of "high value targets" in attendance for some deranged individual. Guarantee there was much more police presence around the area than usual, even if not in plain view.
Ambulance was not there for Covid.
Yeah, I never thought it was there for covid. I thought the original post was suggesting it was there for covid. Seemed questionable to me since (among other things) covid isn't rapid onset.5 -
SummerSkier wrote: »moving on from the party thread, it seems like this virus really duped us all as far as another wave. I think many of us made a lot of plans for travel and visits back in May and June when it looked like we just about had it stomped out. I know my workplace had everyone return mid June.
And now everyone is following those plans and it appears that some of the less recent vaxxed folks might be more susceptable. And delta is even more contagious than other earlier variants.
To me just watching the rate of vaccinations it appears that when the J&J had it's stumble here in the US that was the beginning of the end. I wish the FDA would get full approval for the Pfizer and Moderna done so that there would be more confidence in them in general.
Not sure why this got a disagree. I for one agree that it is a really difficult environment for planning. Back in May, close family friends planned a wedding for this weekend.
We were all so optimistic then. I agree with you on the difficulty scheduling travel, also. I'm wondering if variants are going to be a fact of life, and we will continue having transmission peaks with the latest variant interspersed with valleys of lower transmission rates. There are layers of protection (vaccination + masks + limiting indoor contacts ++) that could stop the spread, but they are not happening everywhere. 4 -
Next week we have a family gathering that was planned months ago. Not really large, just 15-18 of us renting a house in the mountains. Unfortunately, a few people haven't been vaccinated, so others probably won't be coming. I'm sorry about that since we haven't seen them in almost 2 years. Given my husband's age and comorbidities, I am not entirely happy right now about going, though we have been vaccinated. I am also angry at those who refuse to be vaccinated, despite having a couple of close family members in their 80s and one who is too young to get vaccinated. I am going to have a hard time keeping my mouth shut, but I know that starting a fight will be worse than useless. I love all these people, but the selfishness is maddening.16
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Seems like the tut tutting is in full force, so you are not right about that.
Personally, I'm okay with anyone having outdoor events with (I would hope) vaxxed people, but it seems like there is going to be (unhelpful) tut tutting of anyone one disapproves of politically no matter what the event.
My neighborhood is planning a block party, so come tut tut us.
It's possible to approve of someone politically and disapprove of their holding a party with hundreds of people during a pandemic, even if it's outside, even if in theory they're all supposed to be vaccinated (IMO, if you get together a group that large, you're going to have at least a couple of dozen who are lying about being vaccinated).
While his estate may be big enough that hundreds of people could theoretically wander the grounds at a safe distance from each other, I doubt that was the prevailing behavior at an occasion with music, dancing, food, drink, and the opportunity to get within elbow-rubbing distance of Beyonce.
Given the evidence that vaccinated people can still transmit it, odds are a large number of people are going to go back to their lives (a few may even fly commercial -- gasp!! -- back to their lives) and create new transmissions chains that will end up reaching folks who are unvaccinated because they can't get vaccinated. I just think throwing an extravagant birthday party under pandemic conditions is a really bad look. If somebody wants to act like a narcissist, they shouldn't be surprised when other people call them on it.
I think the only people who can claim consistency on this one is (1) habitual opponents of mask-wearing and other pandemic-control measures who shrug their shoulders at Obama's party and (2) habitual supporters of mask-wearing and other pandemic-control measures who tut-tut over Obama's party.8 -
rheddmobile wrote: »On the subject of less recently vaxxed folks, my mother keeps bothering me to get her an appointment for a booster shot. I tell her that isn’t a thing yet, and she can’t get it through her head, and ten minutes later tells me to make an appointment with her doctor to discuss getting her a booster shot. It’s because her news feed is full of discussion of people needing booster shots, she just can’t wrap her head around the fact that it’s not happening.
You might want to think about calling her doctor to discuss the recurring memory lapses?7 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Seems like the tut tutting is in full force, so you are not right about that.
Personally, I'm okay with anyone having outdoor events with (I would hope) vaxxed people, but it seems like there is going to be (unhelpful) tut tutting of anyone one disapproves of politically no matter what the event.
My neighborhood is planning a block party, so come tut tut us.
It's possible to approve of someone politically and disapprove of their holding a party with hundreds of people during a pandemic, even if it's outside, even if in theory they're all supposed to be vaccinated (IMO, if you get together a group that large, you're going to have at least a couple of dozen who are lying about being vaccinated).
While his estate may be big enough that hundreds of people could theoretically wander the grounds at a safe distance from each other, I doubt that was the prevailing behavior at an occasion with music, dancing, food, drink, and the opportunity to get within elbow-rubbing distance of Beyonce.
Given the evidence that vaccinated people can still transmit it, odds are a large number of people are going to go back to their lives (a few may even fly commercial -- gasp!! -- back to their lives) and create new transmissions chains that will end up reaching folks who are unvaccinated because they can't get vaccinated. I just think throwing an extravagant birthday party under pandemic conditions is a really bad look. If somebody wants to act like a narcissist, they shouldn't be surprised when other people call them on it.
I think the only people who can claim consistency on this one is (1) habitual opponents of mask-wearing and other pandemic-control measures who shrug their shoulders at Obama's party and (2) habitual supporters of mask-wearing and other pandemic-control measures who tut-tut over Obama's party.
Some of us have been consistent that outdoor events are low risk, and have been consistent with that despite the political leanings of any particular event. The exception, of course, is when an outdoor event has a whole lot of indoor gatherings along with it... one in particular comes to mind where many profile government officials became infected as a result. In short, consistency is consistency whether they fall under your categories or not.6 -
My emloyer still requires masks for everyone and never stopped requiring them (corporate decision). Recently, they said they would drop the mask requirements if 80% of employees at a location are known to be vaccinated. Then they pulled that the very next day. Meanwhile, my location polled employees anyway and found that only 20% will say we are vaccinated. Most of the remaining 80% don't want a vaccine. They clearly do not understand the data.12
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »On the subject of less recently vaxxed folks, my mother keeps bothering me to get her an appointment for a booster shot. I tell her that isn’t a thing yet, and she can’t get it through her head, and ten minutes later tells me to make an appointment with her doctor to discuss getting her a booster shot. It’s because her news feed is full of discussion of people needing booster shots, she just can’t wrap her head around the fact that it’s not happening.
You might want to think about calling her doctor to discuss the recurring memory lapses?
Oh, we’re well past that. She requires a full time caretaker these days. Guess who?13 -
rheddmobile wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »On the subject of less recently vaxxed folks, my mother keeps bothering me to get her an appointment for a booster shot. I tell her that isn’t a thing yet, and she can’t get it through her head, and ten minutes later tells me to make an appointment with her doctor to discuss getting her a booster shot. It’s because her news feed is full of discussion of people needing booster shots, she just can’t wrap her head around the fact that it’s not happening.
You might want to think about calling her doctor to discuss the recurring memory lapses?
Oh, we’re well past that. She requires a full time caretaker these days. Guess who?
I did a few stints as my grandfather's caretaker - he had Alzheimer's. I also used to have a few shifts a week with an 87 yo man with brain damage and went through the exact thing you described.
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My partner's side of the family is scheduled to have a family reunion August 29. He and I are vaxxed but have already cancelled due to the news about break through cases. We just got off the phone with the organizer, my partner's brother. They all have COVID right now. All the adults are vaxxed - they suspect the two year old grand child as the culprit. His day care has been closed.
Between the bunch of them, they had all three vaccines.
Only two of them had tests, and they were positive. There was some reason why the rest of them did not get tested, but I missed it.
And the reunion is still on.
I think my partner's brother's wife is hoping the facility is going to cancel group events.13 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »My emloyer still requires masks for everyone and never stopped requiring them (corporate decision). Recently, they said they would drop the mask requirements if 80% of employees at a location are known to be vaccinated. Then they pulled that the very next day. Meanwhile, my location polled employees anyway and found that only 20% will say we are vaccinated. Most of the remaining 80% don't want a vaccine. They clearly do not understand the data.
In the spirit of Jonathan Swift's "Modest Proposal": Perhaps refusal of vaccination (absent a legitimate medical justification) ought to be grounds for firing in any job that requires knowledge of science or statistics for adequate job performance.13 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Seems like the tut tutting is in full force, so you are not right about that.
Personally, I'm okay with anyone having outdoor events with (I would hope) vaxxed people, but it seems like there is going to be (unhelpful) tut tutting of anyone one disapproves of politically no matter what the event.
My neighborhood is planning a block party, so come tut tut us.
It's possible to approve of someone politically and disapprove of their holding a party with hundreds of people during a pandemic, even if it's outside, even if in theory they're all supposed to be vaccinated (IMO, if you get together a group that large, you're going to have at least a couple of dozen who are lying about being vaccinated).
While his estate may be big enough that hundreds of people could theoretically wander the grounds at a safe distance from each other, I doubt that was the prevailing behavior at an occasion with music, dancing, food, drink, and the opportunity to get within elbow-rubbing distance of Beyonce.
Given the evidence that vaccinated people can still transmit it, odds are a large number of people are going to go back to their lives (a few may even fly commercial -- gasp!! -- back to their lives) and create new transmissions chains that will end up reaching folks who are unvaccinated because they can't get vaccinated. I just think throwing an extravagant birthday party under pandemic conditions is a really bad look. If somebody wants to act like a narcissist, they shouldn't be surprised when other people call them on it.
I think the only people who can claim consistency on this one is (1) habitual opponents of mask-wearing and other pandemic-control measures who shrug their shoulders at Obama's party and (2) habitual supporters of mask-wearing and other pandemic-control measures who tut-tut over Obama's party.
I think that the people who can claim consistency on this are those that consistently adhere to whatever the current public health guidelines are in effect in their area at a given time.
My family are holding two gatherings (weddings) over the next several weeks - both of which will follow or exceed the guidelines that our public health department has set out. I wouldn't say we are narcissists.5 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Considering that everyone at that party probably gets a Covid test every 12 seconds, the risk isn’t huge. Also, as mentioned above, outdoor party.
I read that attendees had to show a negative covid test or proof of vaccination. Originally was for around 500 people and "scaled" back to just family and friends. Not numbers given.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/02/politics/obama-birthday-bash-marthas-vineyard/index.html
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SummerSkier wrote: »moving on from the party thread, it seems like this virus really duped us all as far as another wave. I think many of us made a lot of plans for travel and visits back in May and June when it looked like we just about had it stomped out. I know my workplace had everyone return mid June.
And now everyone is following those plans and it appears that some of the less recent vaxxed folks might be more susceptable. And delta is even more contagious than other earlier variants.
To me just watching the rate of vaccinations it appears that when the J&J had it's stumble here in the US that was the beginning of the end. I wish the FDA would get full approval for the Pfizer and Moderna done so that there would be more confidence in them in general.
I read the Pfizer's vaxx may get full approval soon, but Moderna has not presented all the safety reports to the FDA yet, so it will take time for that vaccine to get full approval. Hopefully since Pfizer already paved the road, it wouldn't take too long.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/09/health/covid-19-fda-approval-meaning/index.html4 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »Seems like the tut tutting is in full force, so you are not right about that.
Personally, I'm okay with anyone having outdoor events with (I would hope) vaxxed people, but it seems like there is going to be (unhelpful) tut tutting of anyone one disapproves of politically no matter what the event.
My neighborhood is planning a block party, so come tut tut us.
It's possible to approve of someone politically and disapprove of their holding a party with hundreds of people during a pandemic, even if it's outside, even if in theory they're all supposed to be vaccinated (IMO, if you get together a group that large, you're going to have at least a couple of dozen who are lying about being vaccinated).
While his estate may be big enough that hundreds of people could theoretically wander the grounds at a safe distance from each other, I doubt that was the prevailing behavior at an occasion with music, dancing, food, drink, and the opportunity to get within elbow-rubbing distance of Beyonce.
Given the evidence that vaccinated people can still transmit it, odds are a large number of people are going to go back to their lives (a few may even fly commercial -- gasp!! -- back to their lives) and create new transmissions chains that will end up reaching folks who are unvaccinated because they can't get vaccinated. I just think throwing an extravagant birthday party under pandemic conditions is a really bad look. If somebody wants to act like a narcissist, they shouldn't be surprised when other people call them on it.
I think the only people who can claim consistency on this one is (1) habitual opponents of mask-wearing and other pandemic-control measures who shrug their shoulders at Obama's party and (2) habitual supporters of mask-wearing and other pandemic-control measures who tut-tut over Obama's party.
Some of us have been consistent that outdoor events are low risk, and have been consistent with that despite the political leanings of any particular event. The exception, of course, is when an outdoor event has a whole lot of indoor gatherings along with it... one in particular comes to mind where many profile government officials became infected as a result. In short, consistency is consistency whether they fall under your categories or not.
If hundreds of people are under a couple of tents dancing with each other, I think the distinction between indoor and outdoor becomes fairly academic.8 -
rheddmobile wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »On the subject of less recently vaxxed folks, my mother keeps bothering me to get her an appointment for a booster shot. I tell her that isn’t a thing yet, and she can’t get it through her head, and ten minutes later tells me to make an appointment with her doctor to discuss getting her a booster shot. It’s because her news feed is full of discussion of people needing booster shots, she just can’t wrap her head around the fact that it’s not happening.
You might want to think about calling her doctor to discuss the recurring memory lapses?
Oh, we’re well past that. She requires a full time caretaker these days. Guess who?
Oh, I'm so sorry.2 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Seems like the tut tutting is in full force, so you are not right about that.
Personally, I'm okay with anyone having outdoor events with (I would hope) vaxxed people, but it seems like there is going to be (unhelpful) tut tutting of anyone one disapproves of politically no matter what the event.
My neighborhood is planning a block party, so come tut tut us.
It's possible to approve of someone politically and disapprove of their holding a party with hundreds of people during a pandemic, even if it's outside, even if in theory they're all supposed to be vaccinated (IMO, if you get together a group that large, you're going to have at least a couple of dozen who are lying about being vaccinated).
While his estate may be big enough that hundreds of people could theoretically wander the grounds at a safe distance from each other, I doubt that was the prevailing behavior at an occasion with music, dancing, food, drink, and the opportunity to get within elbow-rubbing distance of Beyonce.
Given the evidence that vaccinated people can still transmit it, odds are a large number of people are going to go back to their lives (a few may even fly commercial -- gasp!! -- back to their lives) and create new transmissions chains that will end up reaching folks who are unvaccinated because they can't get vaccinated. I just think throwing an extravagant birthday party under pandemic conditions is a really bad look. If somebody wants to act like a narcissist, they shouldn't be surprised when other people call them on it.
I think the only people who can claim consistency on this one is (1) habitual opponents of mask-wearing and other pandemic-control measures who shrug their shoulders at Obama's party and (2) habitual supporters of mask-wearing and other pandemic-control measures who tut-tut over Obama's party.
I think that the people who can claim consistency on this are those that consistently adhere to whatever the current public health guidelines are in effect in their area at a given time.
My family are holding two gatherings (weddings) over the next several weeks - both of which will follow or exceed the guidelines that our public health department has set out. I wouldn't say we are narcissists.
Unfortunately, public health guidelines have tended to be extremely reactive and based on trailing indicators. After cases and hospitalizations spiked in 2020 after Easter, and after Memorial Day cookouts, and after July 4 cookouts, I didn't need to wait until late September for local public health guidance to be tweaked to know that anybody I encountered a few days after Labor Day was statistically more likely to be infected than they were a few days before. We haven't got this under control and public health guidelines that repeatedly have encouraged loosening up as though we have it under control only to be followed by new surges haven't really helped matters.
And the remark about acting like a narcissist was aimed at extremely wealthy and famous people who largely have far more ability than the rest of us to control their risk from things like shopping or public transit and nevertheless choose to create a publicized spectacle of hundreds of people in close quarters, outside or not.
I've been feeling guilty that I attended a couple of funerals during the recent brief period of very low transmission/incidence rates locally, even though I was vaccinated and everyone I knew who was going was vaccinated and I and most other people wore masks for the indoor portion in spaces that were definitely well below 50% capacity. And now things are spiking again.
So I just don't have any patience left for people who apparently think that after 600,000+ deaths in this country alone, you can't be happy with a nice meal or cookout and cake and ice cream with immediate family and maybe a few close friends who don't have to jet across the country to get there -- speaking of which, I could go live in a cave for the rest of my life eating only what I could forage and go naked when my current clothing wears out and the reduction in my carbon footprint might make up half of the carbon emissions generated by people just flying to this party, if I lived to 110!
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Returning to the original theme of the thread: Anybody have any ideas on where to go to stock up on patience? I find I'm fresh out.19
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »Returning to the original theme of the thread: Anybody have any ideas on where to go to stock up on patience? I find I'm fresh out.
Speaking of which.
I was at the hairdresser last week (still fully masked btw although we all were vaccinated - it is still mandatory indoors in Belgium) and the only other customer was a Covid nurse. She talked about how she is on the brink of quitting her job because she realizes she cannot find it in herself to give the proper care as she used to. All her patients are not vaccinated by choice and she felt they are the reason she has to work overtime - again, pushing her to the limits - again, and that all of this could have been avoided if they just got the shot. Her patience and empathy were just gone.
She sounded so tired and drained, I really felt for her.
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »My emloyer still requires masks for everyone and never stopped requiring them (corporate decision). Recently, they said they would drop the mask requirements if 80% of employees at a location are known to be vaccinated. Then they pulled that the very next day. Meanwhile, my location polled employees anyway and found that only 20% will say we are vaccinated. Most of the remaining 80% don't want a vaccine. They clearly do not understand the data.
In the spirit of Jonathan Swift's "Modest Proposal": Perhaps refusal of vaccination (absent a legitimate medical justification) ought to be grounds for firing in any job that requires knowledge of science or statistics for adequate job performance.
This is a manufacturing plant and most jobs require no education, maybe a high school degree or GED is on job description.0
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