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  • lynn_glenmont
    lynn_glenmont Posts: 10,089 Member
    I got married in February. Instead of worrying about a venue, we decorated my in-laws house and had a small wedding there. It was beautiful, personal, and our guests(close family and a few friends) were on board for wearing masks despite most of them being fully vaccinated. My mother-in-law made me a beautiful mask using lace from her wedding dress and wearing masks did not disrupt our day. We took it off while eating/drinking, while taking some photos, and during the ceremony(JOP requested it so people could hear us better, but it was a very quick ceremony, and sealing the deal would have been quite unusual). I wouldn't have changed anything, except for being able to have my brother there with us; CA and CT both had tough restrictions, and his return to work would have been more complicated due to their covid policies. Fortunately, we were able to video call him to watch the wedding, and that was perfect.

    Unless the reason you will have to reschedule is due to size limitations, I would still keep the date. Masks are not going to ruin the entire day, and if people don't want to wear them while supporting the bride and groom, then they don't seem very supportive, IMHO.

    here in Ontario (where I think 33gail33 is from) we have not been able to meet with people from outside our household for months. we have been on lockdown since last November and could literally not meet with anyone we don't live with - in or outside. And yes, police have been called on people who have others over - it is absolute insanity here with no real end in sight. that being said, some of those restrictions MAY be easing up in the next month or two, but I would imagine it is hard for someone to plan on having a wedding having no idea if that would even be legal at the time (even in a private home).

    Well that's very different from the post that started this subthread, which only mentioned mask mandates and nothing about not being allowed to gather or even a limit on the number who could gather.
  • 33gail33
    33gail33 Posts: 1,155 Member
    jenilla1 wrote: »
    Fuzzipeg wrote: »
    Paperpudding, might it be possible for someone to arrange a video link to the venue for you. I know its so very far from being able to be here but might help. I'm surprised its not been suggested. Time difference could mean a late night or would it be early morning for you.

    I'm sure many a couple want to make the big public statement of their "commitment" to each other which matters.

    I'm glad we are required to have registrars, or "qualified" celebrants be they religious or I hope by now someone who provides a non religious exchange of words for those to whom that also matters. I hate the idea of creeping out into the back yard, then filling in paperwork. Call me suspicious, I see coercion, the path to abuse lies here.

    I'm not quite getting what you mean here, but I'm super intrigued. Hoping you could elaborate on this statement. What's the coercion/abuse about? Creeping out to the backyard and filling out paperwork? I might lack some cultural context...?

    I think the concern is that without witnesses someone could be more easily coerced in marrying against their will, perhaps by an abusive partner.
  • jenilla1
    jenilla1 Posts: 11,118 Member
    33gail33 wrote: »
    jenilla1 wrote: »
    Fuzzipeg wrote: »
    Paperpudding, might it be possible for someone to arrange a video link to the venue for you. I know its so very far from being able to be here but might help. I'm surprised its not been suggested. Time difference could mean a late night or would it be early morning for you.

    I'm sure many a couple want to make the big public statement of their "commitment" to each other which matters.

    I'm glad we are required to have registrars, or "qualified" celebrants be they religious or I hope by now someone who provides a non religious exchange of words for those to whom that also matters. I hate the idea of creeping out into the back yard, then filling in paperwork. Call me suspicious, I see coercion, the path to abuse lies here.

    I'm not quite getting what you mean here, but I'm super intrigued. Hoping you could elaborate on this statement. What's the coercion/abuse about? Creeping out to the backyard and filling out paperwork? I might lack some cultural context...?

    I think the concern is that without witnesses someone could be more easily coerced in marrying against their will, perhaps by an abusive partner.

    OK, duh. That makes sense. Maybe I'm just a bit slow today. I was legitimately confused because it didn't quote the post it was referring to so I was just taking it as some random wierd comment. Looking back at the thread I see where the idea was coming from. 🤪
  • Fuzzipeg
    Fuzzipeg Posts: 2,301 Member
    Jenilla - I'm in the UK. Were registrars and specific persons are required to hold marriage ceremonies. Where unless one pays additional fees for a special licence one waits three weeks while the licence is posted. Similar, probably coming from "the "bands being" read in churches here. When persons in the community can raise objections, just causes and impediments. Registrars have training to spot problematic registrations. Mainly this comes from persons requiring, "marriages of convenience" to achieve "right to stay" having married someone British born. The UK system is so hot, or tries to be hot on marriages of convenience that many, persons who are deeply committed to each other over many years are forced to endure years of separation until the non Brit party is permitted to join their British born partners. None of that relates to how I read the other poster, its just UK background.

    Someone, not you, jenilla. Said in their state they can go out in the yard and say or do something then submit some paperwork which means they are married. This read as an open opportunity for the exploitation and violation of a person who needs their rights protected.

    I think the US have age restrictions in some states which restrict the age at which alcohol can be taken for example and driving licences held. Those States restrictions probably also include age restrictions for marriages. Over many years now young school aged girls have been taken from the UK to other countries where they are entered into (forced) marriages, ones for which they are not deemed legally old enough to consent too, arranged ones at ages which are totally inappropriate according to UK law. We have Child Protection legislation to cover these and other situations with appropriate action being taken to hopefully keep the children safe.

    Reading of persons being able to go into their back yards in some parts of the US and then provide paperwork to the, effect the parties are now married. This may be all well and good as long as the parties are in total agreement in what they are signing up for. There can be situations where one or other of the parties is/are being coerced, subjugated to the wants/needs of another even others, at determent to themselves, it becomes abusive.

    In the last 18months with our lockdowns and covid restrictions, I've been becoming aware so much more of exploitative, not always marriages, where coercive control/abusive relationships otherwise known as Domestic Violence are some poor persons reality.

    To me, being able to say a few words in your back yard, then giving signatures, however they were obtained, which are then simplistically accepted and rubber stamped just screamed the opportunity for this Domestic Violence. Like I said, I'm deeply relieved for the above reasons, that this has no place in our society.
  • Fuzzipeg
    Fuzzipeg Posts: 2,301 Member
    edited June 2021
    Susie. Thank you, that is reassuring. It did seem like a big free for all but what does one know from the other side of the pond. Thank you.

    I should have read on. Child marriage is possible in some states!!! I'm glad I live here and not in one of those states.
  • lemurcat2
    lemurcat2 Posts: 7,885 Member
    edited June 2021
    Fuzzipeg wrote: »
    Susie. Thank you, that is reassuring. It did seem like a big free for all but what does one know from the other side of the pond. Thank you.

    I should have read on. Child marriage is possible in some states!!! I'm glad I live here and not in one of those states.

    I think you are jumping to conclusions about what is going on and how different it is from the UK:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/child-marriage-british-girls-b1812608.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/may/04/child-marriage-thriving-in-uk-due-to-legal-loophole-warn-rights-groups#:~:text=1 month old-,Child marriage 'thriving in UK' due to,legal loophole, warn rights groups&text=Furthermore, there is no legal,taking place – at any age.
  • ythannah
    ythannah Posts: 4,371 Member
    33gail33 wrote: »
    I checked the CDC website and although they don't recommend mixing vaccines, they do consider those who have had two different mRNA vaccines to be fully vaccinated, so that is encouraging.

    That's good news. I don't know what I will end up getting for my second but my first was Moderna and we may be back into Pfizer supply (and short of Moderna) by the time of my appointment. I don't see a problem with efficacy, my concern was whether or not mixed brands would qualify for "vaccinated" status for international travel.
  • 33gail33
    33gail33 Posts: 1,155 Member
    edited June 2021
    ythannah wrote: »
    33gail33 wrote: »
    I checked the CDC website and although they don't recommend mixing vaccines, they do consider those who have had two different mRNA vaccines to be fully vaccinated, so that is encouraging.

    That's good news. I don't know what I will end up getting for my second but my first was Moderna and we may be back into Pfizer supply (and short of Moderna) by the time of my appointment. I don't see a problem with efficacy, my concern was whether or not mixed brands would qualify for "vaccinated" status for international travel.

    That was our concern too but when it came down to getting a shot or waiting for Pfizer they chose to take the shot. If there are travel problems down the line I guess they will deal with it then - but given the info from the CDC I don't anticipate there being an issue.

    "If two doses of different mRNA COVID-19 vaccine products are administered in these situations (or inadvertently), no additional doses of either product are recommended at this time. Such persons are considered fully vaccinated against COVID-19 ≥2 weeks after receipt of the second dose of an mRNA vaccine." -- CDC website

    And our 2nd vaccine receipts both say the same thing "You have received 2 valid dose(s)" so I think they are good to go.
  • Muscleflex79
    Muscleflex79 Posts: 1,917 Member
    ythannah wrote: »
    33gail33 wrote: »
    I checked the CDC website and although they don't recommend mixing vaccines, they do consider those who have had two different mRNA vaccines to be fully vaccinated, so that is encouraging.

    That's good news. I don't know what I will end up getting for my second but my first was Moderna and we may be back into Pfizer supply (and short of Moderna) by the time of my appointment. I don't see a problem with efficacy, my concern was whether or not mixed brands would qualify for "vaccinated" status for international travel.

    This has been my main concern and I'm not sure enough people have considered it (or maybe they don't care about travel like us?) There are definitely countries that are not accepting mix and match as proof of vaccine - Barbados is one. I haven't looked into every country's requirements though and they may change as time goes on and research does come out, but I am certainly not willing risking not being able to get into a country because I did the mix and match method.
  • Muscleflex79
    Muscleflex79 Posts: 1,917 Member
    33gail33 wrote: »
    Anyone else got mixed doses of Pfizer and Moderna?

    I got both Pfizer but my kids got Pfizer first and then Moderna ... the great Canadian vaccine experiment continues. I mean it's a new vaccine for everyone but Canada is sure pushing the uncertainty more than most countries. :smile: They are telling us to take whatever is available, which right now seems to be only Moderna.

    I checked the CDC website and although they don't recommend mixing vaccines, they do consider those who have had two different mRNA vaccines to be fully vaccinated, so that is encouraging.

    you can say that again! while mix and match may be the least of our problems, don't forget about us spreading the doses 4 months apart instead of the recommended 21 days and using expired vaccines! Oh Canada!
  • 33gail33
    33gail33 Posts: 1,155 Member
    edited July 2021
    ythannah wrote: »
    33gail33 wrote: »
    I checked the CDC website and although they don't recommend mixing vaccines, they do consider those who have had two different mRNA vaccines to be fully vaccinated, so that is encouraging.

    That's good news. I don't know what I will end up getting for my second but my first was Moderna and we may be back into Pfizer supply (and short of Moderna) by the time of my appointment. I don't see a problem with efficacy, my concern was whether or not mixed brands would qualify for "vaccinated" status for international travel.

    This has been my main concern and I'm not sure enough people have considered it (or maybe they don't care about travel like us?) There are definitely countries that are not accepting mix and match as proof of vaccine - Barbados is one. I haven't looked into every country's requirements though and they may change as time goes on and research does come out, but I am certainly not willing risking not being able to get into a country because I did the mix and match method.

    My daughter is a flight attendant (currently laid off of course) so they are gonna have to figure it out for international travel. Personally I think that two mRNA will end up being acceptable - but I could be wrong. And at least a million people got AZ and then Moderna (my sister is one of them - Trudeau might be as well?), so I can't imagine the gov't would just leave us hanging like that. (I think that some European countries are also doing the AZ/mRNA mix now)

    I think that there are going to have to be international agreements worked out for what is acceptable, and if your country provides you with documentation stating we are fully vaccinated I think (hope?) most countries would accept that.

    Like I posted before the 2nd vaccine receipt states on the bottom "you have received 2 valid doses" so I don't know that they would even check to see what kind you got for your first dose.