Coronavirus prep
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Wow, masking has dropped way off here.
The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.
Why are you ditching the mask so soon? I wouldn't be if I lived there. You are still at risk of catching it and it's just a mask. Keep as safe as you can if in crowded places with others close to you. Just my thoughts on it unless it makes you feel unwell when using it then why not stay as say as possible for a little longer? Not enough are vaccinated yet.
We have a very high vaccination rate here (75% first dose so far) and I am confident in the science that the vaccines will protect us. Even with only first doses our cases are plummeting here. My family has all been vaccinated (most first and getting second soon) as are all my work colleagues.
I trusted the science as it evolved with masking, vaccines, distancing etc - so when the science also tells me that vaccines are effective and masks are no longer necessary I trust that as well.
The problem is that the delta variant is very infectious and one dose of any vaccine only offers about 30% protection, according to my readings. The only way to have more protection is to have both vaccines.
Delta Variant and COVID-19 Vaccines: What to Know https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210610/delta-variant-and-covid-19-vaccines-what-to-know
A study conducted in the United Kingdom that was cited by the Biden administration finds that one dose of the Pfizer vaccine provided about 33% protection against the delta variant, which is officially designated B.1.617.2.
Two doses of the Pfizer vaccine, meanwhile, provided about 88% protection. The study is a pre-print and has not yet been peer reviewed. (Click here to learn more about coronavirus variants.)
The info I read is that one does of Pfizer is 94% effective in preventing hospitalization with the Delta variant, and 96% after two doses. I have had two doses - I am as protected as I am going to be at this point. If I do happen to get exposed I am VERY unlikely to need hospitalization or medical care.
I think that the end point of hospitalization rates and deaths is a more important gauge for effectiveness at this point.
Last month there was a local epidemic of the Delta variant inside a hospital that had more than 80 infections, and families of hospital workers were also infected. 7 elderly people died (and considering the vaccination rates in the elderly, it’s likely that most of them had at least one, probably two shots). 80% of those infected in this local epidemic had received at least one shot. 11% of the hospital staff in the department where the epidemic started were infected, even though most hospital staff has received two vaccinations, and half of them had symptoms, some serious.
Granted, the infected patients were already *in* the hospital for some other reason so they weren’t in full health when infected, but those numbers are still concerning, especially the ones about hospital staff who has already received 2 vaccinations.
Since this was a hospital breakout, the problem wasn’t just that people got the virus and some mild symptoms. The problem was a large number of hospital staff being quarantined, so there wasn’t enough people to take care of other patients. The hospital area had to temporarily shut down all functions except emergency room and emergency surgeries, ICU and childbirth units to make sure they can still perform those critical duties, and the area went into full lockdown, schools went remote, graduation ceremonies were cancelled etc.
Well that is concerning.
I am a bit confused as to how you would have a breakout in a hospital with 80 infections. I mean there are covid patients in every hospital here at this point and have been for months I haven't heard of it being spread like that through the staff.
If you are saying that it is spreading inside a hospital where staff are presumably using high level infection control procedures and personal protective equipment, plus everyone is fully vaccinated, then I don't even know what to say about that. That is pretty shocking. It would seem at that point that everything we have been doing to control it is pretty much futile.4 -
Wow, masking has dropped way off here. The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.
Why are you ditching the mask so soon? I wouldn't be if I lived there. You are still at risk of catching it and it's just a mask. Keep as safe as you can if in crowded places with others close to you. Just my thoughts on it unless it makes you feel unwell when using it then why not stay as say as possible for a little longer? Not enough are vaccinated yet.
We have a very high vaccination rate here (75% first dose so far) and I am confident in the science that the vaccines will protect us. Even with only first doses our cases are plummeting here. My family has all been vaccinated (most first and getting second soon) as are all my work colleagues.
I trusted the science as it evolved with masking, vaccines, distancing etc - so when the science also tells me that vaccines are effective and masks are no longer necessary I trust that as well.
The problem is that the delta variant is very infectious and one dose of any vaccine only offers about 30% protection, according to my readings. The only way to have more protection is to have both vaccines.
Delta Variant and COVID-19 Vaccines: What to Know https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210610/delta-variant-and-covid-19-vaccines-what-to-know
A study conducted in the United Kingdom that was cited by the Biden administration finds that one dose of the Pfizer vaccine provided about 33% protection against the delta variant, which is officially designated B.1.617.2.
Two doses of the Pfizer vaccine, meanwhile, provided about 88% protection. The study is a pre-print and has not yet been peer reviewed. (Click here to learn more about coronavirus variants.)
The info I read is that one does of Pfizer is 94% effective in preventing hospitalization with the Delta variant, and 96% after two doses. I have had two doses - I am as protected as I am going to be at this point. If I do happen to get exposed I am VERY unlikely to need hospitalization or medical care.
I think that the end point of hospitalization rates and deaths is a more important gauge for effectiveness at this point.
Last month there was a local epidemic of the Delta variant inside a hospital that had more than 80 infections, and families of hospital workers were also infected. 7 elderly people died (and considering the vaccination rates in the elderly, it’s likely that most of them had at least one, probably two shots). 80% of those infected in this local epidemic had received at least one shot. 11% of the hospital staff in the department where the epidemic started were infected, even though most hospital staff has received two vaccinations, and half of them had symptoms, some serious.
Granted, the infected patients were already *in* the hospital for some other reason so they weren’t in full health when infected, but those numbers are still concerning, especially the ones about hospital staff who has already received 2 vaccinations.
Since this was a hospital breakout, the problem wasn’t just that people got the virus and some mild symptoms. The problem was a large number of hospital staff being quarantined, so there wasn’t enough people to take care of other patients. The hospital area had to temporarily shut down all functions except emergency room and emergency surgeries, ICU and childbirth units to make sure they can still perform those critical duties, and the area went into full lockdown, schools went remote, graduation ceremonies were cancelled etc.
Well that is concerning.
I am a bit confused as to how you would have a breakout in a hospital with 80 infections. I mean there are covid patients in every hospital here at this point and have been for months I haven't heard of it being spread like that through the staff.
If you are saying that it is spreading inside a hospital where staff are presumably using high level infection control procedures and personal protective equipment, plus everyone is fully vaccinated, then I don't even know what to say about that. That is pretty shocking. It would seem at that point that everything we have been doing to control it is pretty much futile.
I absolutely agree. I don't know the exact details about how it happened, I've only been reading the newspaper, and I'm pretty sure there's going to be some sort of investigation into this. My best guess is that there was someone asymptomatic and/or false negative test spreading it, whether it was a patient or staff member or both.
Thankfully that situation is now under control and from what I understand they're pretty much back to normal in the hospital and in the area.0 -
paperpudding wrote: »Breaking news: AZ vaccine in Australia will only be for over 60's
Pfizer for all under 60's
Changed from 50 as of today.
I presume those under 60 who have already had one dose of AZ still get their 2nd dose though
We (Canada) are giving those who received AZ the option of taking Pfizer or Moderna for their second dose. Everyone I know who got first dose AZ chose to get an mRNA second shot. I guess vaccine science in general supports mixing doses, and the preliminary data on this specific combination is good.
(But we aren't using AZ for first doses for anyone anymore - there was a small cohort of about I believe a million people who received it.)
Also now that we are getting a boatload of Moderna vaccine I suspect that they will start mixing that with those who got Pfizer for the first dose. Because our strategy was to give everyone we could a first dose, we now are getting a bunch of Moderna in time for second shots - but hardly anyone got it for their first.
Everyone I know who went to the public health unit vaccine clinic got Pfizer except me, I got Moderna. The SO got his two days after me (same week) and got Pfizer.
When Ford announced the accelerated second shots in Ontario, in our district we were looking at shortages of Moderna so I thought they might mix mine. So it's interesting to hear now that there's a big influx of Moderna.
When my oldest son got his first (in Toronto) he got Pfizer but they said it just depends what they have that day, some days that same clinic were giving Moderna. We are supposed to be getting I think 7 million Moderna in June so you should be good for your second dose. But yeah since most people got Pfizer for their first dose if they don't mix it it seems like they will have too much Moderna? Idk - I guess that is what happens when they stopped holding the second doses and just used whatever they had for the first.
I got both Pfizer but if they had given me Moderna for my second I honestly wouldn't have cared - I'm sure it would be fine. My neighbour asked my husband which vaccine he got and he didn't even know, he just took what they gave him, lol. Some people are picky though - my son insisted he would only take the Pfizer vaccine - idk why I think they are both basically the same.
Did you have side effects from your first dose? I have the impression that Moderna has more side effects than Pfizer.
My second shot isn't until September 6th and I won't even be eligible to rebook until August 2nd, don't know if that will actually get me an appointment any earlier than what I already have so who knows what the supply will be then.
I had NO side effects whatsoever, other than a day or two of mild tenderness at the injection site if I touched it, which was probably from the injection itself and not the vaccine.
When I gave verbal consent to be vaccinated I was specifically asked "for the Moderna vaccine" so I knew which one it was, plus my emailed "receipt" states the type.3 -
paperpudding wrote: »Breaking news: AZ vaccine in Australia will only be for over 60's
Pfizer for all under 60's
Changed from 50 as of today.
I presume those under 60 who have already had one dose of AZ still get their 2nd dose though
We (Canada) are giving those who received AZ the option of taking Pfizer or Moderna for their second dose. Everyone I know who got first dose AZ chose to get an mRNA second shot. I guess vaccine science in general supports mixing doses, and the preliminary data on this specific combination is good.
(But we aren't using AZ for first doses for anyone anymore - there was a small cohort of about I believe a million people who received it.)
Also now that we are getting a boatload of Moderna vaccine I suspect that they will start mixing that with those who got Pfizer for the first dose. Because our strategy was to give everyone we could a first dose, we now are getting a bunch of Moderna in time for second shots - but hardly anyone got it for their first.
Everyone I know who went to the public health unit vaccine clinic got Pfizer except me, I got Moderna. The SO got his two days after me (same week) and got Pfizer.
When Ford announced the accelerated second shots in Ontario, in our district we were looking at shortages of Moderna so I thought they might mix mine. So it's interesting to hear now that there's a big influx of Moderna.
When my oldest son got his first (in Toronto) he got Pfizer but they said it just depends what they have that day, some days that same clinic were giving Moderna. We are supposed to be getting I think 7 million Moderna in June so you should be good for your second dose. But yeah since most people got Pfizer for their first dose if they don't mix it it seems like they will have too much Moderna? Idk - I guess that is what happens when they stopped holding the second doses and just used whatever they had for the first.
I got both Pfizer but if they had given me Moderna for my second I honestly wouldn't have cared - I'm sure it would be fine. My neighbour asked my husband which vaccine he got and he didn't even know, he just took what they gave him, lol. Some people are picky though - my son insisted he would only take the Pfizer vaccine - idk why I think they are both basically the same.
Did you have side effects from your first dose? I have the impression that Moderna has more side effects than Pfizer.
My second shot isn't until September 6th and I won't even be eligible to rebook until August 2nd, don't know if that will actually get me an appointment any earlier than what I already have so who knows what the supply will be then.
I had NO side effects whatsoever, other than a day or two of mild tenderness at the injection site if I touched it, which was probably from the injection itself and not the vaccine.
When I gave verbal consent to be vaccinated I was specifically asked "for the Moderna vaccine" so I knew which one it was, plus my emailed "receipt" states the type.
Oh yeah I am sure that my husband was told the type as well he just didn't pay attention to it.
I knew what we were getting.
I read yesterday that everyone is going to be eligible to rebook by June 28 I think they are really pushing to get everyone in sooner. My kids are also early September at this point.
A new wrinkle in the mixed doses I never thought of is travel - people are wondering if they will be considered "fully vaccinated" by international standards.
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Wow, masking has dropped way off here. The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.
Why are you ditching the mask so soon? I wouldn't be if I lived there. You are still at risk of catching it and it's just a mask. Keep as safe as you can if in crowded places with others close to you. Just my thoughts on it unless it makes you feel unwell when using it then why not stay as say as possible for a little longer? Not enough are vaccinated yet.
We have a very high vaccination rate here (75% first dose so far) and I am confident in the science that the vaccines will protect us. Even with only first doses our cases are plummeting here. My family has all been vaccinated (most first and getting second soon) as are all my work colleagues.
I trusted the science as it evolved with masking, vaccines, distancing etc - so when the science also tells me that vaccines are effective and masks are no longer necessary I trust that as well.
That is fine but I would'nt trust it too much but you do as you wish of course. If I lived there I wouldn't trust it all and keep cautious for a while longer. Take care. Do what you feel you need to do. I can't see being cautious a bad thing.
The same science that told us to wear a mask (which I believed and,did) is now saying masks not needed if fully vaccinated.
Why would you believe one statement and not the other?8 -
Is it the same science? I thought that the recommendations were changing as new info comes to light?Theoldguy1 wrote: »Wow, masking has dropped way off here. The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.
Why are you ditching the mask so soon? I wouldn't be if I lived there. You are still at risk of catching it and it's just a mask. Keep as safe as you can if in crowded places with others close to you. Just my thoughts on it unless it makes you feel unwell when using it then why not stay as say as possible for a little longer? Not enough are vaccinated yet.
We have a very high vaccination rate here (75% first dose so far) and I am confident in the science that the vaccines will protect us. Even with only first doses our cases are plummeting here. My family has all been vaccinated (most first and getting second soon) as are all my work colleagues.
I trusted the science as it evolved with masking, vaccines, distancing etc - so when the science also tells me that vaccines are effective and masks are no longer necessary I trust that as well.
That is fine but I would'nt trust it too much but you do as you wish of course. If I lived there I wouldn't trust it all and keep cautious for a while longer. Take care. Do what you feel you need to do. I can't see being cautious a bad thing.
The same science that told us to wear a mask (which I believed and,did) is now saying masks not needed if fully vaccinated.
Why would you believe one statement and not the other?
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Is it the same science? I thought that the recommendations were changing as new info comes to light?Theoldguy1 wrote: »Wow, masking has dropped way off here. The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.
Why are you ditching the mask so soon? I wouldn't be if I lived there. You are still at risk of catching it and it's just a mask. Keep as safe as you can if in crowded places with others close to you. Just my thoughts on it unless it makes you feel unwell when using it then why not stay as say as possible for a little longer? Not enough are vaccinated yet.
We have a very high vaccination rate here (75% first dose so far) and I am confident in the science that the vaccines will protect us. Even with only first doses our cases are plummeting here. My family has all been vaccinated (most first and getting second soon) as are all my work colleagues.
I trusted the science as it evolved with masking, vaccines, distancing etc - so when the science also tells me that vaccines are effective and masks are no longer necessary I trust that as well.
That is fine but I would'nt trust it too much but you do as you wish of course. If I lived there I wouldn't trust it all and keep cautious for a while longer. Take care. Do what you feel you need to do. I can't see being cautious a bad thing.
The same science that told us to wear a mask (which I believed and,did) is now saying masks not needed if fully vaccinated.
Why would you believe one statement and not the other?
My comment meant science (the same scientists) that said we should wear masks and we trusted them (at least some did) are now telling us, based on the latest data we don't have to wear them. IMO we trusted the advice we needed to wear them at the time, we should trust the same people who are telling us now they are not needed.13 -
Wow, masking has dropped way off here. The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.
Why are you ditching the mask so soon? I wouldn't be if I lived there. You are still at risk of catching it and it's just a mask. Keep as safe as you can if in crowded places with others close to you. Just my thoughts on it unless it makes you feel unwell when using it then why not stay as say as possible for a little longer? Not enough are vaccinated yet.
We have a very high vaccination rate here (75% first dose so far) and I am confident in the science that the vaccines will protect us. Even with only first doses our cases are plummeting here. My family has all been vaccinated (most first and getting second soon) as are all my work colleagues.
I trusted the science as it evolved with masking, vaccines, distancing etc - so when the science also tells me that vaccines are effective and masks are no longer necessary I trust that as well.
The problem is that the delta variant is very infectious and one dose of any vaccine only offers about 30% protection, according to my readings. The only way to have more protection is to have both vaccines.
Delta Variant and COVID-19 Vaccines: What to Know https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210610/delta-variant-and-covid-19-vaccines-what-to-know
A study conducted in the United Kingdom that was cited by the Biden administration finds that one dose of the Pfizer vaccine provided about 33% protection against the delta variant, which is officially designated B.1.617.2.
Two doses of the Pfizer vaccine, meanwhile, provided about 88% protection. The study is a pre-print and has not yet been peer reviewed. (Click here to learn more about coronavirus variants.)
The info I read is that one does of Pfizer is 94% effective in preventing hospitalization with the Delta variant, and 96% after two doses. I have had two doses - I am as protected as I am going to be at this point. If I do happen to get exposed I am VERY unlikely to need hospitalization or medical care.
I think that the end point of hospitalization rates and deaths is a more important gauge for effectiveness at this point.
Last month there was a local epidemic of the Delta variant inside a hospital that had more than 80 infections, and families of hospital workers were also infected. 7 elderly people died (and considering the vaccination rates in the elderly, it’s likely that most of them had at least one, probably two shots). 80% of those infected in this local epidemic had received at least one shot. 11% of the hospital staff in the department where the epidemic started were infected, even though most hospital staff has received two vaccinations, and half of them had symptoms, some serious.
Granted, the infected patients were already *in* the hospital for some other reason so they weren’t in full health when infected, but those numbers are still concerning, especially the ones about hospital staff who has already received 2 vaccinations.
Since this was a hospital breakout, the problem wasn’t just that people got the virus and some mild symptoms. The problem was a large number of hospital staff being quarantined, so there wasn’t enough people to take care of other patients. The hospital area had to temporarily shut down all functions except emergency room and emergency surgeries, ICU and childbirth units to make sure they can still perform those critical duties, and the area went into full lockdown, schools went remote, graduation ceremonies were cancelled etc.
Well that is concerning.
I am a bit confused as to how you would have a breakout in a hospital with 80 infections. I mean there are covid patients in every hospital here at this point and have been for months I haven't heard of it being spread like that through the staff.
If you are saying that it is spreading inside a hospital where staff are presumably using high level infection control procedures and personal protective equipment, plus everyone is fully vaccinated, then I don't even know what to say about that. That is pretty shocking. It would seem at that point that everything we have been doing to control it is pretty much futile.
I absolutely agree. I don't know the exact details about how it happened, I've only been reading the newspaper, and I'm pretty sure there's going to be some sort of investigation into this. My best guess is that there was someone asymptomatic and/or false negative test spreading it, whether it was a patient or staff member or both.
Thankfully that situation is now under control and from what I understand they're pretty much back to normal in the hospital and in the area.
The scenario you are describing is very much at odds to any other information I have seen about vaccine efficacy with regards to the delta variant, and also to our experience here with cases dropping significantly as vaccines are administered, even with the delta variant becoming more prevalent. This recent analysis from Public Health England shows strong efficacy even with one dose - so it's really odd.
I guess time will tell whether we really will be getting significant vaccine breakthrough cases. I hope not.
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »Is it the same science? I thought that the recommendations were changing as new info comes to light?Theoldguy1 wrote: »Wow, masking has dropped way off here. The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.
Why are you ditching the mask so soon? I wouldn't be if I lived there. You are still at risk of catching it and it's just a mask. Keep as safe as you can if in crowded places with others close to you. Just my thoughts on it unless it makes you feel unwell when using it then why not stay as say as possible for a little longer? Not enough are vaccinated yet.
We have a very high vaccination rate here (75% first dose so far) and I am confident in the science that the vaccines will protect us. Even with only first doses our cases are plummeting here. My family has all been vaccinated (most first and getting second soon) as are all my work colleagues.
I trusted the science as it evolved with masking, vaccines, distancing etc - so when the science also tells me that vaccines are effective and masks are no longer necessary I trust that as well.
That is fine but I would'nt trust it too much but you do as you wish of course. If I lived there I wouldn't trust it all and keep cautious for a while longer. Take care. Do what you feel you need to do. I can't see being cautious a bad thing.
The same science that told us to wear a mask (which I believed and,did) is now saying masks not needed if fully vaccinated.
Why would you believe one statement and not the other?
My comment meant science (the same scientists) that said we should wear masks and we trusted them (at least some did) are now telling us, based on the latest data we don't have to wear them. IMO we trusted the advice we needed to wear them at the time, we should trust the same people who are telling us now they are not needed.
I believe the science is solid. The science says that if you are fully vaccinated, you do not need to wear a mask, as you are at low risk of getting seriously ill if you were to contract the virus.
But, this science assumes that ONLY vaccinated people are going maskless. We know that is not the case.
So, some people may want to continue to wear masks if they are concerned about the un-masked, un-vaccinated population.
I still wear mine in indoor public places because my husband is tested 4x per week for a contracted job he is doing. If he tests positive, he's out of work for at least 2 weeks with no pay, even if he has no symptoms.15 -
Wow, masking has dropped way off here. The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.
Why are you ditching the mask so soon? I wouldn't be if I lived there. You are still at risk of catching it and it's just a mask. Keep as safe as you can if in crowded places with others close to you. Just my thoughts on it unless it makes you feel unwell when using it then why not stay as say as possible for a little longer? Not enough are vaccinated yet.
We have a very high vaccination rate here (75% first dose so far) and I am confident in the science that the vaccines will protect us. Even with only first doses our cases are plummeting here. My family has all been vaccinated (most first and getting second soon) as are all my work colleagues.
I trusted the science as it evolved with masking, vaccines, distancing etc - so when the science also tells me that vaccines are effective and masks are no longer necessary I trust that as well.
That is fine but I would'nt trust it too much but you do as you wish of course. If I lived there I wouldn't trust it all and keep cautious for a while longer. Take care. Do what you feel you need to do. I can't see being cautious a bad thing.
You can still take precautions without wearing a mask everywhere. If you're fully vaccinated, you're pretty well protected...far more protected than the mask ever provided in the first place. In NM pretty much nobody is wearing a mask anymore and we were pretty early adopters of the mask mandates. I'm really not sure why we would trust in the science as it evolved with masks and social distancing, etc and then all of a sudden not trust the science when our CDC tells us we don't have to wear a mask if we're fully vaccinated. You either trust the science or you don't.
Like I said, nobody really wears a mask here anymore...but people continue to social distance, wash hands, etc. NM is about 75% with at least one vaccine and 60% fully vaccinated. We are as of right now lifting all restrictions and fully opening July 1 unless something changes between now and a week and a half from now. Between the vaccine and cases, we're pretty much at herd immunity in NM. It's never going to go away completely and it's time to get on with living life.12 -
I have had a pool tile guy here for 3 days in the AZ record heat. When someone is at your house 8 hours a day, you get to know them pretty quick.
He didn't think that Covid would affect him. Got it, spent 5 weeks in the hospital. He's an independent contractor for a larger pool company (self employed). Will likely have medical bills for the rest of his life. He still isn't 100%.
I have a mister fan that I'm keeping out for him, blowing on him all the time.
He's "grateful to God" he's still alive. He also went and got fully vaxxed after getting out of the hospital. He (obviously) sincerely regrets he wasn't vaxxed sooner.
It's very sad to see how this crap has ruined lives, though he just seems to be happy he's still alive. The healthcare situation is so bad in the US. How they can hold someone financial hostage the rest of their lives is BS.23 -
Update on our local UK weekly cases. The cases of the D variant are up three times on last week! Predominantly youngsters who have not qualified for a vaccine. Now the over 18's can book a vaccine. I heard one young lad say he has to wait till the end of July for his first! I find it so hard to credit that this started with one or two cases in a localised population and now is present in each and ever English County!!!
I feel for the kids, through to those in their 30's, being trapped each possible way, Education, at school College and University, many loosing jobs, others having to work in essential sectors now falling ill because a variant can only go for the youngsters and those who chose to be unvaccinated.
Over here, the advice is to wear masks inside vaccinated or not. This gives more confidence to those who as yet are unvaccinated. Anyway, I thought the jury was still out as to the ability to pass on the virus, even vaccinated and even if you are asymptomatic.5 -
I do believe the science, including that my personal risk is considered very low according to best information at this point. Nonetheless, I'm continuing to wear a mask in indoor public spaces where strangers are close.
I'm thinking (as I've said before) about social norms at a time when not all are able to be vaccinated (young people), and there's still enough disease circulating to be a threat to even vaccinated people for whom even mild infection could be very dangerous. Also, personally I'm not particularly interested in being even mildly/moderately sick with Covid myself as a breakthrough infection, even if I don't end up in the ICU or intubated, and a mask doesn't bother me.
It's a personal choice, though, not something I want to strongly urge on others, let alone hector them about. (Reciprocally, I don't see why anyone who feels differently than I do would feel the need or desire to talk me out of it, either.)
As an aside, not directly related to anything above: "Believe the science" seems a little flag-wave-y, lately, to me. (I'm not saying partisan, BTW, I'm saying symbolic, kind of.)
To me, science is the process: Forming hypotheses, testing them, accumulating evidence, forming theories as evidence accumulates and studies are replicated, but also rejecting hypotheses and even theories if counter-evidence emerges. That's one of the things that's been confounding, from my perspective, in the overall public dialog about science during the pandemic. Cartoon-exaggerating it: "Science said X, now science says Y, so clearly science doesn't know what it's doing." Huh?
I respect long-term experts best opinions in the absence of well-tested hypotheses (they likely know better than my gut does, in areas whether they have years and decades of experience and knowledge). I respect theories even more as they emerge . . . but I don't expect the conclusion today to be unchallenged forever. To me, that's not how science works. 🤷♀️
Over-cautious easy bet-hedges aren't crazy, IMO, just a matter of personal preference . . . freedom, even. 😉😆16 -
Wow, masking has dropped way off here. The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.
Why are you ditching the mask so soon? I wouldn't be if I lived there. You are still at risk of catching it and it's just a mask. Keep as safe as you can if in crowded places with others close to you. Just my thoughts on it unless it makes you feel unwell when using it then why not stay as say as possible for a little longer? Not enough are vaccinated yet.
We have a very high vaccination rate here (75% first dose so far) and I am confident in the science that the vaccines will protect us. Even with only first doses our cases are plummeting here. My family has all been vaccinated (most first and getting second soon) as are all my work colleagues.
I trusted the science as it evolved with masking, vaccines, distancing etc - so when the science also tells me that vaccines are effective and masks are no longer necessary I trust that as well.
The problem is that the delta variant is very infectious and one dose of any vaccine only offers about 30% protection, according to my readings. The only way to have more protection is to have both vaccines.
Delta Variant and COVID-19 Vaccines: What to Know https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210610/delta-variant-and-covid-19-vaccines-what-to-know
A study conducted in the United Kingdom that was cited by the Biden administration finds that one dose of the Pfizer vaccine provided about 33% protection against the delta variant, which is officially designated B.1.617.2.
Two doses of the Pfizer vaccine, meanwhile, provided about 88% protection. The study is a pre-print and has not yet been peer reviewed. (Click here to learn more about coronavirus variants.)
The info I read is that one does of Pfizer is 94% effective in preventing hospitalization with the Delta variant, and 96% after two doses. I have had two doses - I am as protected as I am going to be at this point. If I do happen to get exposed I am VERY unlikely to need hospitalization or medical care.
I think that the end point of hospitalization rates and deaths is a more important gauge for effectiveness at this point.
I prefer NOT to get exposed. I trust science, I just have a problem these days trusting people... I am fully vaccinated since the end of February, but I don't know if people around me are fully vaccinated too or just faking it so they don't have to wear masks.
Better safe than sorry, and being careful doesn't affect anybody, so what's the problem?17 -
Wow, masking has dropped way off here. The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.
Why are you ditching the mask so soon? I wouldn't be if I lived there. You are still at risk of catching it and it's just a mask. Keep as safe as you can if in crowded places with others close to you. Just my thoughts on it unless it makes you feel unwell when using it then why not stay as say as possible for a little longer? Not enough are vaccinated yet.
We have a very high vaccination rate here (75% first dose so far) and I am confident in the science that the vaccines will protect us. Even with only first doses our cases are plummeting here. My family has all been vaccinated (most first and getting second soon) as are all my work colleagues.
I trusted the science as it evolved with masking, vaccines, distancing etc - so when the science also tells me that vaccines are effective and masks are no longer necessary I trust that as well.
The problem is that the delta variant is very infectious and one dose of any vaccine only offers about 30% protection, according to my readings. The only way to have more protection is to have both vaccines.
Delta Variant and COVID-19 Vaccines: What to Know https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210610/delta-variant-and-covid-19-vaccines-what-to-know
A study conducted in the United Kingdom that was cited by the Biden administration finds that one dose of the Pfizer vaccine provided about 33% protection against the delta variant, which is officially designated B.1.617.2.
Two doses of the Pfizer vaccine, meanwhile, provided about 88% protection. The study is a pre-print and has not yet been peer reviewed. (Click here to learn more about coronavirus variants.)
The info I read is that one does of Pfizer is 94% effective in preventing hospitalization with the Delta variant, and 96% after two doses. I have had two doses - I am as protected as I am going to be at this point. If I do happen to get exposed I am VERY unlikely to need hospitalization or medical care.
I think that the end point of hospitalization rates and deaths is a more important gauge for effectiveness at this point.
I prefer NOT to get exposed. I trust science, I just have a problem these days trusting people... I am fully vaccinated since the end of February, but I don't know if people around me are fully vaccinated too or just faking it so they don't have to wear masks.
Better safe than sorry, and being careful doesn't affect anybody, so what's the problem?
I don't really think anyone has a problem with/if people want to continue to mask. People do seem to have some kind of a problem with people who no longer want to mask because they are fully vaccinated and the CDC says you don't have to. I'm far more protected with the vaccine than I ever was with the mask and at this point I don't really see any point in wearing one unless it's required somewhere or requested of me...in which case I have no problem either. I have no problem at all with people wanting to continue wearing a mask...it's their own personal decision. Hell, I know people who wore masks in public long before COVID.
There have already been several comments in here about "why would you take your mask off so soon" and such...as if those of us who no longer are wearing one because we're fully vaccinated are doing something egregious or totally outrageous.17 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »Wow, masking has dropped way off here. The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.
Why are you ditching the mask so soon? I wouldn't be if I lived there. You are still at risk of catching it and it's just a mask. Keep as safe as you can if in crowded places with others close to you. Just my thoughts on it unless it makes you feel unwell when using it then why not stay as say as possible for a little longer? Not enough are vaccinated yet.
We have a very high vaccination rate here (75% first dose so far) and I am confident in the science that the vaccines will protect us. Even with only first doses our cases are plummeting here. My family has all been vaccinated (most first and getting second soon) as are all my work colleagues.
I trusted the science as it evolved with masking, vaccines, distancing etc - so when the science also tells me that vaccines are effective and masks are no longer necessary I trust that as well.
That is fine but I would'nt trust it too much but you do as you wish of course. If I lived there I wouldn't trust it all and keep cautious for a while longer. Take care. Do what you feel you need to do. I can't see being cautious a bad thing.
You can still take precautions without wearing a mask everywhere. If you're fully vaccinated, you're pretty well protected...far more protected than the mask ever provided in the first place. In NM pretty much nobody is wearing a mask anymore and we were pretty early adopters of the mask mandates. I'm really not sure why we would trust in the science as it evolved with masks and social distancing, etc and then all of a sudden not trust the science when our CDC tells us we don't have to wear a mask if we're fully vaccinated. You either trust the science or you don't.
Like I said, nobody really wears a mask here anymore...but people continue to social distance, wash hands, etc. NM is about 75% with at least one vaccine and 60% fully vaccinated. We are as of right now lifting all restrictions and fully opening July 1 unless something changes between now and a week and a half from now. Between the vaccine and cases, we're pretty much at herd immunity in NM. It's never going to go away completely and it's time to get on with living life.
There's a difference between the CDC saying you don't have to wear a mask if you're fully vaccinated and saying that you shouldn't wear a mask if you're fully vaccinated.
The CDC's recommendations are about public health policy. They have determined that the odds of transmission chains developing from the 5% of fully vaccinated people who won't develop full immunity to current variants is not a public health concern. If I happen to be one of those 5% and end up getting exposed and having COVID, it's not a public health issue, because the odds that I'll start a transmission chain are low if I'm in a community where everyone who isn't fully vaccinated is masking up (which I suspect those who aren't fully vaccinated are less likely to do if they've got a crowd of fully vaccinated maskless folk to hide in). But it's still a personal health issue for me.5 -
paperpudding wrote: »Breaking news: AZ vaccine in Australia will only be for over 60's
Pfizer for all under 60's
Changed from 50 as of today.
I presume those under 60 who have already had one dose of AZ still get their 2nd dose though
We (Canada) are giving those who received AZ the option of taking Pfizer or Moderna for their second dose. Everyone I know who got first dose AZ chose to get an mRNA second shot. I guess vaccine science in general supports mixing doses, and the preliminary data on this specific combination is good.
(But we aren't using AZ for first doses for anyone anymore - there was a small cohort of about I believe a million people who received it.)
Also now that we are getting a boatload of Moderna vaccine I suspect that they will start mixing that with those who got Pfizer for the first dose. Because our strategy was to give everyone we could a first dose, we now are getting a bunch of Moderna in time for second shots - but hardly anyone got it for their first.
Everyone I know who went to the public health unit vaccine clinic got Pfizer except me, I got Moderna. The SO got his two days after me (same week) and got Pfizer.
When Ford announced the accelerated second shots in Ontario, in our district we were looking at shortages of Moderna so I thought they might mix mine. So it's interesting to hear now that there's a big influx of Moderna.
When my oldest son got his first (in Toronto) he got Pfizer but they said it just depends what they have that day, some days that same clinic were giving Moderna. We are supposed to be getting I think 7 million Moderna in June so you should be good for your second dose. But yeah since most people got Pfizer for their first dose if they don't mix it it seems like they will have too much Moderna? Idk - I guess that is what happens when they stopped holding the second doses and just used whatever they had for the first.
I got both Pfizer but if they had given me Moderna for my second I honestly wouldn't have cared - I'm sure it would be fine. My neighbour asked my husband which vaccine he got and he didn't even know, he just took what they gave him, lol. Some people are picky though - my son insisted he would only take the Pfizer vaccine - idk why I think they are both basically the same.
Did you have side effects from your first dose? I have the impression that Moderna has more side effects than Pfizer.
My second shot isn't until September 6th and I won't even be eligible to rebook until August 2nd, don't know if that will actually get me an appointment any earlier than what I already have so who knows what the supply will be then.
I had NO side effects whatsoever, other than a day or two of mild tenderness at the injection site if I touched it, which was probably from the injection itself and not the vaccine.
When I gave verbal consent to be vaccinated I was specifically asked "for the Moderna vaccine" so I knew which one it was, plus my emailed "receipt" states the type.
Oh yeah I am sure that my husband was told the type as well he just didn't pay attention to it. I knew what we were getting.
I read yesterday that everyone is going to be eligible to rebook by June 28 I think they are really pushing to get everyone in sooner. My kids are also early September at this point.
A new wrinkle in the mixed doses I never thought of is travel - people are wondering if they will be considered "fully vaccinated" by international standards.
Yes, I just saw that this morning. Although "eligible to book" and getting a spot quickly are two different things here. I'm not sure how far away appointments are being booked now. My dad was in the first group (80+) and only had to wait two weeks for his new appointment but that's not a big population cohort.
I saw something about international travellers who have been vaccinated with Astra Zeneca not being allowed to enter the US because it's not an approved vaccine so they won't be considered "vaccinated"? Given the popularity of AZ overseas, you'd think that would really hurt tourism.1 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »Wow, masking has dropped way off here. The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.
Why are you ditching the mask so soon? I wouldn't be if I lived there. You are still at risk of catching it and it's just a mask. Keep as safe as you can if in crowded places with others close to you. Just my thoughts on it unless it makes you feel unwell when using it then why not stay as say as possible for a little longer? Not enough are vaccinated yet.
We have a very high vaccination rate here (75% first dose so far) and I am confident in the science that the vaccines will protect us. Even with only first doses our cases are plummeting here. My family has all been vaccinated (most first and getting second soon) as are all my work colleagues.
I trusted the science as it evolved with masking, vaccines, distancing etc - so when the science also tells me that vaccines are effective and masks are no longer necessary I trust that as well.
The problem is that the delta variant is very infectious and one dose of any vaccine only offers about 30% protection, according to my readings. The only way to have more protection is to have both vaccines.
Delta Variant and COVID-19 Vaccines: What to Know https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210610/delta-variant-and-covid-19-vaccines-what-to-know
A study conducted in the United Kingdom that was cited by the Biden administration finds that one dose of the Pfizer vaccine provided about 33% protection against the delta variant, which is officially designated B.1.617.2.
Two doses of the Pfizer vaccine, meanwhile, provided about 88% protection. The study is a pre-print and has not yet been peer reviewed. (Click here to learn more about coronavirus variants.)
The info I read is that one does of Pfizer is 94% effective in preventing hospitalization with the Delta variant, and 96% after two doses. I have had two doses - I am as protected as I am going to be at this point. If I do happen to get exposed I am VERY unlikely to need hospitalization or medical care.
I think that the end point of hospitalization rates and deaths is a more important gauge for effectiveness at this point.
I prefer NOT to get exposed. I trust science, I just have a problem these days trusting people... I am fully vaccinated since the end of February, but I don't know if people around me are fully vaccinated too or just faking it so they don't have to wear masks.
Better safe than sorry, and being careful doesn't affect anybody, so what's the problem?
I don't really think anyone has a problem with/if people want to continue to mask. People do seem to have some kind of a problem with people who no longer want to mask because they are fully vaccinated and the CDC says you don't have to.... There have already been several comments in here about "why would you take your mask off so soon" and such...as if those of us who no longer are wearing one because we're fully vaccinated are doing something egregious or totally outrageous.
Yes, that's how I've been interpreting the current comments too. No one objecting to people continuing to wear masks if they want, but instead just saying it's not bad or crazy to be comfortable not wearing one where it's not required. (Most places around here do still require it for shopping, so I wear it for that, and probably would for a while even where it's not -- I wore one in WFs yesterday. But I'm fine with others not wearing one too.)2 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Wow, masking has dropped way off here. The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.
Why are you ditching the mask so soon? I wouldn't be if I lived there. You are still at risk of catching it and it's just a mask. Keep as safe as you can if in crowded places with others close to you. Just my thoughts on it unless it makes you feel unwell when using it then why not stay as say as possible for a little longer? Not enough are vaccinated yet.
We have a very high vaccination rate here (75% first dose so far) and I am confident in the science that the vaccines will protect us. Even with only first doses our cases are plummeting here. My family has all been vaccinated (most first and getting second soon) as are all my work colleagues.
I trusted the science as it evolved with masking, vaccines, distancing etc - so when the science also tells me that vaccines are effective and masks are no longer necessary I trust that as well.
That is fine but I would'nt trust it too much but you do as you wish of course. If I lived there I wouldn't trust it all and keep cautious for a while longer. Take care. Do what you feel you need to do. I can't see being cautious a bad thing.
You can still take precautions without wearing a mask everywhere. If you're fully vaccinated, you're pretty well protected...far more protected than the mask ever provided in the first place. In NM pretty much nobody is wearing a mask anymore and we were pretty early adopters of the mask mandates. I'm really not sure why we would trust in the science as it evolved with masks and social distancing, etc and then all of a sudden not trust the science when our CDC tells us we don't have to wear a mask if we're fully vaccinated. You either trust the science or you don't.
Like I said, nobody really wears a mask here anymore...but people continue to social distance, wash hands, etc. NM is about 75% with at least one vaccine and 60% fully vaccinated. We are as of right now lifting all restrictions and fully opening July 1 unless something changes between now and a week and a half from now. Between the vaccine and cases, we're pretty much at herd immunity in NM. It's never going to go away completely and it's time to get on with living life.
There's a difference between the CDC saying you don't have to wear a mask if you're fully vaccinated and saying that you shouldn't wear a mask if you're fully vaccinated.
The CDC's recommendations are about public health policy. They have determined that the odds of transmission chains developing from the 5% of fully vaccinated people who won't develop full immunity to current variants is not a public health concern. If I happen to be one of those 5% and end up getting exposed and having COVID, it's not a public health issue, because the odds that I'll start a transmission chain are low if I'm in a community where everyone who isn't fully vaccinated is masking up (which I suspect those who aren't fully vaccinated are less likely to do if they've got a crowd of fully vaccinated maskless folk to hide in). But it's still a personal health issue for me.
This is a great explanation of what I'm wanting to say but couldn't put as clearly.
While my risk of getting infected may be very low, it's not zero, and they don't know what the long term affect of getting a slight infection are. It's not important to the community if I get infected now, because I won't need a hospital bed and I won't spread it, but it still matters to me. So I'm still wearing a mask in public indoor spaces, unless it's pretty empty (I've made a late night run to the market and not put on a mask because it was just me and I did self checkout). I'm waiting for data on long term consequences of asymptomatic or mild infections. Vaccination rate is only around 50% where I am.
Having said that, it's totally reasonable for vaccinated people to decide they're done worrying about this. Everyone has different risk thresholds and live in different circumstances. As long as you are not posing a risk to others, we all make wildly different choices about which of the innumerable small risks we face every day we're willing to shrug off, which we're willing to make minor adjustments to avoid, and which push our buttons and we'll go to great lengths to avoid.
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cwolfman13 wrote: »Wow, masking has dropped way off here. The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.
Why are you ditching the mask so soon? I wouldn't be if I lived there. You are still at risk of catching it and it's just a mask. Keep as safe as you can if in crowded places with others close to you. Just my thoughts on it unless it makes you feel unwell when using it then why not stay as say as possible for a little longer? Not enough are vaccinated yet.
We have a very high vaccination rate here (75% first dose so far) and I am confident in the science that the vaccines will protect us. Even with only first doses our cases are plummeting here. My family has all been vaccinated (most first and getting second soon) as are all my work colleagues.
I trusted the science as it evolved with masking, vaccines, distancing etc - so when the science also tells me that vaccines are effective and masks are no longer necessary I trust that as well.
The problem is that the delta variant is very infectious and one dose of any vaccine only offers about 30% protection, according to my readings. The only way to have more protection is to have both vaccines.
Delta Variant and COVID-19 Vaccines: What to Know https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210610/delta-variant-and-covid-19-vaccines-what-to-know
A study conducted in the United Kingdom that was cited by the Biden administration finds that one dose of the Pfizer vaccine provided about 33% protection against the delta variant, which is officially designated B.1.617.2.
Two doses of the Pfizer vaccine, meanwhile, provided about 88% protection. The study is a pre-print and has not yet been peer reviewed. (Click here to learn more about coronavirus variants.)
The info I read is that one does of Pfizer is 94% effective in preventing hospitalization with the Delta variant, and 96% after two doses. I have had two doses - I am as protected as I am going to be at this point. If I do happen to get exposed I am VERY unlikely to need hospitalization or medical care.
I think that the end point of hospitalization rates and deaths is a more important gauge for effectiveness at this point.
I prefer NOT to get exposed. I trust science, I just have a problem these days trusting people... I am fully vaccinated since the end of February, but I don't know if people around me are fully vaccinated too or just faking it so they don't have to wear masks.
Better safe than sorry, and being careful doesn't affect anybody, so what's the problem?
I don't really think anyone has a problem with/if people want to continue to mask. People do seem to have some kind of a problem with people who no longer want to mask because they are fully vaccinated and the CDC says you don't have to. I'm far more protected with the vaccine than I ever was with the mask and at this point I don't really see any point in wearing one unless it's required somewhere or requested of me...in which case I have no problem either. I have no problem at all with people wanting to continue wearing a mask...it's their own personal decision. Hell, I know people who wore masks in public long before COVID.
There have already been several comments in here about "why would you take your mask off so soon" and such...as if those of us who no longer are wearing one because we're fully vaccinated are doing something egregious or totally outrageous.
I'm sure there's an element here of each of us noticing what we may be more sensitive to, but I *have* seen people having a problem with others continuing to mask.
I can't recall whether it's happened on this thread (quite possibly not), but in real life I've heard/seen people challenging others with "If you believed the CDC when they said a mask would protect you, why don't you believe them now when they say you don't need one if vaccinated? I thought you believed the science." That's been in something pretty close to those words, and the context made it feel a little pushy/pugnacious.
I think it was up-thread a ways, but it may've been on another thread: Someone (maybe @MikePfirrman?) reported being confronted by a complete stranger (!) about why he'd wear a mask if he was already vaccinated, while waiting for an appointment.
I agree that on this thread, in recent posts, it's been the opposite, i.e., the kind of aggressive "why would you stop wearing a mask so soon?". In fact, that's what encouraged me to write my PP, which, after saying I was still wearing a mask indoors with strangers, included the comment:It's a personal choice, though, not something I want to strongly urge on others, let alone hector them about. (Reciprocally, I don't see why anyone who feels differently than I do would feel the need or desire to talk me out of it, either.)
I can accept that your real life social milieu includes no one pressing people to stop wearing masks, once vaccinated. But it's a thing I've seen, more than once, in mine.
P.S. I have zero problem with vaccinated people choosing *not* to wear a mask in public, where that's OK with the business/public rules. It's fine, IMO.9 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Wow, masking has dropped way off here. The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.
Why are you ditching the mask so soon? I wouldn't be if I lived there. You are still at risk of catching it and it's just a mask. Keep as safe as you can if in crowded places with others close to you. Just my thoughts on it unless it makes you feel unwell when using it then why not stay as say as possible for a little longer? Not enough are vaccinated yet.
We have a very high vaccination rate here (75% first dose so far) and I am confident in the science that the vaccines will protect us. Even with only first doses our cases are plummeting here. My family has all been vaccinated (most first and getting second soon) as are all my work colleagues.
I trusted the science as it evolved with masking, vaccines, distancing etc - so when the science also tells me that vaccines are effective and masks are no longer necessary I trust that as well.
That is fine but I would'nt trust it too much but you do as you wish of course. If I lived there I wouldn't trust it all and keep cautious for a while longer. Take care. Do what you feel you need to do. I can't see being cautious a bad thing.
You can still take precautions without wearing a mask everywhere. If you're fully vaccinated, you're pretty well protected...far more protected than the mask ever provided in the first place. In NM pretty much nobody is wearing a mask anymore and we were pretty early adopters of the mask mandates. I'm really not sure why we would trust in the science as it evolved with masks and social distancing, etc and then all of a sudden not trust the science when our CDC tells us we don't have to wear a mask if we're fully vaccinated. You either trust the science or you don't.
Like I said, nobody really wears a mask here anymore...but people continue to social distance, wash hands, etc. NM is about 75% with at least one vaccine and 60% fully vaccinated. We are as of right now lifting all restrictions and fully opening July 1 unless something changes between now and a week and a half from now. Between the vaccine and cases, we're pretty much at herd immunity in NM. It's never going to go away completely and it's time to get on with living life.
There's a difference between the CDC saying you don't have to wear a mask if you're fully vaccinated and saying that you shouldn't wear a mask if you're fully vaccinated.
The CDC's recommendations are about public health policy. They have determined that the odds of transmission chains developing from the 5% of fully vaccinated people who won't develop full immunity to current variants is not a public health concern. If I happen to be one of those 5% and end up getting exposed and having COVID, it's not a public health issue, because the odds that I'll start a transmission chain are low if I'm in a community where everyone who isn't fully vaccinated is masking up (which I suspect those who aren't fully vaccinated are less likely to do if they've got a crowd of fully vaccinated maskless folk to hide in). But it's still a personal health issue for me.
Understandable...for me it's not.
As I have said before, NM is 75% with at least one vax and 60% fully faxed...that combined with cases over the last 14-15 months puts us pretty close to if not at herd immunity. I'm not living this thing for the rest of my life...I'm moving on. We have 2M people in the entire state and are very rural and even the "city" isn't "the city"...we're moving on.9 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Wow, masking has dropped way off here. The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.
Why are you ditching the mask so soon? I wouldn't be if I lived there. You are still at risk of catching it and it's just a mask. Keep as safe as you can if in crowded places with others close to you. Just my thoughts on it unless it makes you feel unwell when using it then why not stay as say as possible for a little longer? Not enough are vaccinated yet.
We have a very high vaccination rate here (75% first dose so far) and I am confident in the science that the vaccines will protect us. Even with only first doses our cases are plummeting here. My family has all been vaccinated (most first and getting second soon) as are all my work colleagues.
I trusted the science as it evolved with masking, vaccines, distancing etc - so when the science also tells me that vaccines are effective and masks are no longer necessary I trust that as well.
That is fine but I would'nt trust it too much but you do as you wish of course. If I lived there I wouldn't trust it all and keep cautious for a while longer. Take care. Do what you feel you need to do. I can't see being cautious a bad thing.
You can still take precautions without wearing a mask everywhere. If you're fully vaccinated, you're pretty well protected...far more protected than the mask ever provided in the first place. In NM pretty much nobody is wearing a mask anymore and we were pretty early adopters of the mask mandates. I'm really not sure why we would trust in the science as it evolved with masks and social distancing, etc and then all of a sudden not trust the science when our CDC tells us we don't have to wear a mask if we're fully vaccinated. You either trust the science or you don't.
Like I said, nobody really wears a mask here anymore...but people continue to social distance, wash hands, etc. NM is about 75% with at least one vaccine and 60% fully vaccinated. We are as of right now lifting all restrictions and fully opening July 1 unless something changes between now and a week and a half from now. Between the vaccine and cases, we're pretty much at herd immunity in NM. It's never going to go away completely and it's time to get on with living life.
There's a difference between the CDC saying you don't have to wear a mask if you're fully vaccinated and saying that you shouldn't wear a mask if you're fully vaccinated.
The CDC's recommendations are about public health policy. They have determined that the odds of transmission chains developing from the 5% of fully vaccinated people who won't develop full immunity to current variants is not a public health concern. If I happen to be one of those 5% and end up getting exposed and having COVID, it's not a public health issue, because the odds that I'll start a transmission chain are low if I'm in a community where everyone who isn't fully vaccinated is masking up (which I suspect those who aren't fully vaccinated are less likely to do if they've got a crowd of fully vaccinated maskless folk to hide in). But it's still a personal health issue for me.
Understandable...for me it's not.
As I have said before, NM is 75% with at least one vax and 60% fully faxed...that combined with cases over the last 14-15 months puts us pretty close to if not at herd immunity. I'm not living this thing for the rest of my life...I'm moving on. We have 2M people in the entire state and are very rural and even the "city" isn't "the city"...we're moving on.
If it sounded like I have a problem with other people who are vaccinated going maskless (assuming they're not violating any laws or requirements of property owners whose property they're on), I don't.
And I've actually been surprised by the speed at which I've started feeling comfortable doing things that I thought would take many more months for me to feel ready for, like eating in restaurants and going to a movie theater.
Of course, all those places have been much emptier than I had expected. Maybe if I arrived and found them back at pre-pandemic levels of crowding, I'd feel differently. But for the time being I'm still wearing my mask in indoor public spaces unless I need it off for eating and drinking. Or nobody's within 25 feet of me, which was easily the case in the movie theater.
It also feels polite to me, with so many people still unvaccinated, to not put the burden on someone who hasn't been able to get vaccinated for whatever reason of wondering whether this maskless person (me) is vaccinated or just a scofflaw (they're still requiring unvaccinated people to wear masks in indoor public spaces here).9 -
https://news.yahoo.com/no-new-lockdowns-biden-promises-201834771.html
This is from the Commander of all USA agencies. If you read the article you will see it was not an emphatic no.
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It seems to be a new kid in the block, so don't throw away your masks yet or get too comfy...
Delta variant will likely become dominant Covid-19 strain in US, CDC chief says
"The Delta variant of Covid-19 is expected to become the dominant strain in the United States, and it's further reason why people need to ramp up the vaccination pace, said the director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
In an interview with CNN on Friday, Dr. Rochelle Walensky said that the Delta variant's increased transmissibility could allow it overtake the Alpha variant, first identified in the United Kingdom, in the US in the coming months...."
For the full article, click here: https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/18/health/us-coronavirus-friday/index.html2 -
Well, with the vaccine now widely available where I live, and California now "open," I'm cool with people masking or not to their own prerogative. It would be nice if the unvaxxed would stay masked but since theres no way to know, people gonna do what they want. I'm still seeing quite a few masked - I'd say a third to half.
I'm now unmasked in less crowded spaces, but still not rushing to crowded venues or theaters any time soon. Still eating on patios. That's my choice. I'll mingle when I'm ready. ✌
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cwolfman13 wrote: »Wow, masking has dropped way off here. The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.
Why are you ditching the mask so soon? I wouldn't be if I lived there. You are still at risk of catching it and it's just a mask. Keep as safe as you can if in crowded places with others close to you. Just my thoughts on it unless it makes you feel unwell when using it then why not stay as say as possible for a little longer? Not enough are vaccinated yet.
We have a very high vaccination rate here (75% first dose so far) and I am confident in the science that the vaccines will protect us. Even with only first doses our cases are plummeting here. My family has all been vaccinated (most first and getting second soon) as are all my work colleagues.
I trusted the science as it evolved with masking, vaccines, distancing etc - so when the science also tells me that vaccines are effective and masks are no longer necessary I trust that as well.
That is fine but I would'nt trust it too much but you do as you wish of course. If I lived there I wouldn't trust it all and keep cautious for a while longer. Take care. Do what you feel you need to do. I can't see being cautious a bad thing.
You can still take precautions without wearing a mask everywhere. If you're fully vaccinated, you're pretty well protected...far more protected than the mask ever provided in the first place. In NM pretty much nobody is wearing a mask anymore and we were pretty early adopters of the mask mandates. I'm really not sure why we would trust in the science as it evolved with masks and social distancing, etc and then all of a sudden not trust the science when our CDC tells us we don't have to wear a mask if we're fully vaccinated. You either trust the science or you don't.
Like I said, nobody really wears a mask here anymore...but people continue to social distance, wash hands, etc. NM is about 75% with at least one vaccine and 60% fully vaccinated. We are as of right now lifting all restrictions and fully opening July 1 unless something changes between now and a week and a half from now. Between the vaccine and cases, we're pretty much at herd immunity in NM. It's never going to go away completely and it's time to get on with living life.
Fair enough. I maybe don't get it since we didn't need to do the mask etc for more than two weeks. Anyway everyone should do what they feel safe with I guess.1 -
Wow, masking has dropped way off here. The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.
Why are you ditching the mask so soon? I wouldn't be if I lived there. You are still at risk of catching it and it's just a mask. Keep as safe as you can if in crowded places with others close to you. Just my thoughts on it unless it makes you feel unwell when using it then why not stay as say as possible for a little longer? Not enough are vaccinated yet.
We have a very high vaccination rate here (75% first dose so far) and I am confident in the science that the vaccines will protect us. Even with only first doses our cases are plummeting here. My family has all been vaccinated (most first and getting second soon) as are all my work colleagues.
I trusted the science as it evolved with masking, vaccines, distancing etc - so when the science also tells me that vaccines are effective and masks are no longer necessary I trust that as well.
The problem is that the delta variant is very infectious and one dose of any vaccine only offers about 30% protection, according to my readings. The only way to have more protection is to have both vaccines.
Delta Variant and COVID-19 Vaccines: What to Know https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210610/delta-variant-and-covid-19-vaccines-what-to-know
A study conducted in the United Kingdom that was cited by the Biden administration finds that one dose of the Pfizer vaccine provided about 33% protection against the delta variant, which is officially designated B.1.617.2.
Two doses of the Pfizer vaccine, meanwhile, provided about 88% protection. The study is a pre-print and has not yet been peer reviewed. (Click here to learn more about coronavirus variants.)
The info I read is that one does of Pfizer is 94% effective in preventing hospitalization with the Delta variant, and 96% after two doses. I have had two doses - I am as protected as I am going to be at this point. If I do happen to get exposed I am VERY unlikely to need hospitalization or medical care.
I think that the end point of hospitalization rates and deaths is a more important gauge for effectiveness at this point.
I prefer NOT to get exposed. I trust science, I just have a problem these days trusting people... I am fully vaccinated since the end of February, but I don't know if people around me are fully vaccinated too or just faking it so they don't have to wear masks.
Better safe than sorry, and being careful doesn't affect anybody, so what's the problem?
There is no problem. I said I am ditching the mask where it is not required, and will wear one in places that request or require it without question. If someone else chooses to continue wearing a mask I 100% respect that choice and have no issue with it.
Idk it seems like people are looking for an argument where there isn't one - I just said what I am doing and when questioned gave my reasons for that choice. I am not telling anyone else what they should do.9 -
Mask requirements haven't changed one iota here. Still required in all common areas at work (everywhere outside your personal workspace). Still required in all indoor public places, and I think outdoors if you can't maintain distancing.6
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I've now been to a number of stores since my state of Massachusetts dropped the mask requirement. People at supermarkets and Walmart appear to be 50% or less masked.
However, at Whole Foods last Tuesday there was a much higher mask usage, and I am very curious about this. I wonder if the patrons are just more cautious, or if they are not vaccinated because they are anti-vax/vax hesitant.
Vaccines have been widely available to adults in my state for long enough that anyone who wanted a shot could get a shot, and the people in this store, which is not in a foot-traffic location, are exceedingly unlikely to have barriers such as lack of transportation.
I'll never know for sure, of course, but I suspect it is a combination of some people being more cautious and some being hesitant/anti-vax.4 -
https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/559248-cdc-cant-regulate-cruises-judge
Sounds like bullying is being addressed.0
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