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  • lynn_glenmontlynn_glenmont Member Posts: 8,525 Member Member Posts: 8,525 Member
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    kushiel1 wrote: »
    Some of the issue was that if you already had a cancer diagnosis you could continue treatment, but if you didn't...you were often deferred because "elective" procedures (such as diagnostics) were not being done. Or you couldn't get in to see that specialist because of Covid restrictions.

    The restrictions even now on visitation in hospitals (because of course it makes sense for a sick person to be alone for 20 hours of the day....) are ridiculous. Or if you are in the ED you can't have anyone with you.

    In general I agree with the poster above who pointed out that not only health screenings are being put off but the incidents of abuse, suicidal ideation, depression, anxiety, etc are all on the rise. I read a statistic recently that said that the US is up 300,000 deaths from where they thought we'd be (I could be wrong in my remembering honestly) if 200k of those are covid the other 100k is covid related in some form probably - why aren't we freaking out about that number?

    Covid fear is killing more people (or at least harming them in irrevocable ways) than Covid itself is. The cure for the disease can NOT be worse than the disease itself and we are heading that way at this point though I fear we are already there.
    What do you mean by why aren't we freaking out about that number....?.?

    I accept elective procedures being delayed and I accept isolation has been very difficult for some people , but I don't agree at all that more deaths have been caused by Covid fear than by Covid itself

    "Covid fear is killing more people (or at least harming them in irrevocable ways) than Covid itself is" is a claim not tethered to data.

    The two are not equivalent and neither of them are quantifiable at this point.

    You will have to explain this to me as I cannot see how " covid fear is killing more people than covid itself " and "more deaths have been caused by covid fear than covid itself" are not equivalent statements.

    I don't agree with the statements but can't see any difference between them

    And I agree, not tethered to data.
    No evidence to support the claim.

    I know I should just let @kshama2001 speak for herself, but I think you've misunderstood the post you're responding to. I don't think "the two" refers to the way you phrased the covid fear v. covid comparison and the other way of phrasing that comparison. I think "the two" refers to covid fear and covid.
  • TonyB0588TonyB0588 Member Posts: 9,417 Member Member Posts: 9,417 Member
    My family has decided to not have a large Thanksgiving gathering this year, in order to keep everyone safe.
    We are going to get together in small pods to limit the exposure risks.
    My parents are going to have my uncle over, who lives alone.
    I'm going to my sister's house, since she's alone.
    My husband will have his brother and sister over, since they are both alone.

    It would obviously be the safest if we all just stayed home, but this way, at least no one is alone on Thanksgiving. We have a lot of single people in our family.

    I like this thinking. Be considerate but be safe.
  • mockchocmockchoc Member Posts: 6,460 Member Member Posts: 6,460 Member
    mockchoc wrote: »
    No Covid fear here since we have no Covid except the odd person in quarantine from overseas. Makes me angry some won't do what they should in other countries to save everyone else but what can you do? I would put them in prison actually. They are potentially killing others and making the disease go on for longer.

    Who ever diagreed well you are the sort of person that needs to think about your actions or go to jail since you only care about yourself.
  • kshama2001kshama2001 Member Posts: 22,708 Member Member Posts: 22,708 Member
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    kushiel1 wrote: »
    Some of the issue was that if you already had a cancer diagnosis you could continue treatment, but if you didn't...you were often deferred because "elective" procedures (such as diagnostics) were not being done. Or you couldn't get in to see that specialist because of Covid restrictions.

    The restrictions even now on visitation in hospitals (because of course it makes sense for a sick person to be alone for 20 hours of the day....) are ridiculous. Or if you are in the ED you can't have anyone with you.

    In general I agree with the poster above who pointed out that not only health screenings are being put off but the incidents of abuse, suicidal ideation, depression, anxiety, etc are all on the rise. I read a statistic recently that said that the US is up 300,000 deaths from where they thought we'd be (I could be wrong in my remembering honestly) if 200k of those are covid the other 100k is covid related in some form probably - why aren't we freaking out about that number?

    Covid fear is killing more people (or at least harming them in irrevocable ways) than Covid itself is. The cure for the disease can NOT be worse than the disease itself and we are heading that way at this point though I fear we are already there.
    What do you mean by why aren't we freaking out about that number....?.?

    I accept elective procedures being delayed and I accept isolation has been very difficult for some people , but I don't agree at all that more deaths have been caused by Covid fear than by Covid itself

    "Covid fear is killing more people (or at least harming them in irrevocable ways) than Covid itself is" is a claim not tethered to data.

    The two are not equivalent and neither of them are quantifiable at this point.

    You will have to explain this to me as I cannot see how " covid fear is killing more people than covid itself " and "more deaths have been caused by covid fear than covid itself" are not equivalent statements.

    I don't agree with the statements but can't see any difference between them

    And I agree, not tethered to data.
    No evidence to support the claim.

    Sure, I meant "Covid fear is killing more people" is not the same as "(or at least harming them in irrevocable ways)".

    Death and irrevocable harm are both bad, but not equivalent, making an already weak argument weaker.
  • SModa61SModa61 Member Posts: 575 Member Member Posts: 575 Member
    @mockchoc and @tonyB0588 just curious what countries you are each in. it's interesting to see how COVID is controlled in different places.
  • paperpuddingpaperpudding Member Posts: 6,180 Member Member Posts: 6,180 Member
    Mockchoc is in Queensland, Australia

    (hope you don't mind me answering this)
  • SModa61SModa61 Member Posts: 575 Member Member Posts: 575 Member
    @tonyB0588 and @paperpudding thanks for the replies. :)
  • mockchocmockchoc Member Posts: 6,460 Member Member Posts: 6,460 Member
    I don't mind paperpudding :) Yes I'm up north near the Great Barrier Reef.
  • mockchocmockchoc Member Posts: 6,460 Member Member Posts: 6,460 Member
    I didn't know they did that but agree that is a good idea. I just hope they think of others and not just themselves when out. Everyone deserves to be safe or as safe as they can be.
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