Coronavirus prep
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From the CDC:
Fully vaccinated people with no COVID-19-like symptoms and no known exposure to someone with suspected or confirmed COVID-19
It is recommended that fully vaccinated people with no COVID-19-like symptoms and no known exposure should be exempted from routine screening testing programs, if feasible.
From a vaccine expert:
Some argue asymptomatic breakthrough cases shouldn't even count
"I think we are misusing the term breakthrough," said Dr. Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. "If someone who is fully vaccinated is subsequently hospitalized or killed by the virus, that's a breakthrough case." He said he wouldn't call an "asymptomatic or relatively mild case" a "breakthrough case."
What matters, he said, is "the vaccine is still doing what it is designed to do — keep people out of the hospital and out of the morgue."
FWIW I'm not just pulling my opinions out of thin air, I am taking expert opinions into account.10 -
My primary concern is whether vaccinated people (of which I am one) who subsequently get Covid will be at risk for long Covid. That seems to be unlikely from what I've read so far but we obviously need more data. I'm sure that'll be forthcoming in future months.7
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LazyBlondeChef wrote: »My primary concern is whether vaccinated people (of which I am one) who subsequently get Covid will be at risk for long Covid. That seems to be unlikely from what I've read so far but we obviously need more data. I'm sure that'll be forthcoming in future months.
I will be very interested when more data is available. I have heard that around 5% of middle-aged people end up with long covid regardless of symptoms from the initial infection. I don't recall vaccination status being mentioned.0 -
LazyBlondeChef wrote: »My primary concern is whether vaccinated people (of which I am one) who subsequently get Covid will be at risk for long Covid. That seems to be unlikely from what I've read so far but we obviously need more data. I'm sure that'll be forthcoming in future months.
Yep, my concern isn't that I might get sick for a couple of days. Its the long term effects of infection.
And I cannot stress this enough, I am concerned about young people who either are not allowed to get vaxxed yet or whose parents choose not to take them. While the risk might be low, there has been an alarming increase in children/young adults being hospitalized in spiking areas. And again, we don't know what the long term affect on their health would be.
I'll happily wear a mask in public this fall/winter if it saves a thousand children from being hospitalized. Heck I'd happily wear a mask this fall/winter to protect the thousands of kids who'd die of the flu. I hope that's not a hot take.15 -
Where I live, the infection rate is a level unseen since March 2020. It peaked in March 2020, and presently is not quite that high, but higher than all the months since then. It kind of amazes me that with 50% of adults vaccinated now, we are nonetheless matching the rate of spread then. Our positive test rate is presently 8%, which seems not encouraging but maybe reflects less precautionary testing among the vaccinated? (My college age kids had a practice of testing before and after socializing with a different living group or traveling together to a roommate's home, so they tested a lot pre-vaccine and never now.) Daily new case counts are going up with the delta variant, of course, but remain at 1/10th what they were at the peak.
It feels like the delta variant is putting DH and I back where we were several months ago with ongoing conversations about what precautions make sense for a changing environment. He went to his first indoor work event with 100 other people last night. And DD#3 wants to bring several friends to our tiny little lake cabana (with one tiny bathroom) at the end of the month. These are things we're really looking forward to, but the breakout infections among the vaccinated are casting a new light on things.
I'm with @kimny72 that the last thing I want to do is become a spreader and infect someone too young to get the vaccine. Or to give the virus another opportunity to mutate.7 -
Is positivity rate combined with lots of testing or people only testing with symptoms?
Positivity rate here is up, but still 1.8% (our high was around 25%). I am much more worried about the inadequate vax rate (which is extremely frustrating for people eligible, who could all get it easily) than the mask situation.2 -
Where I live, the infection rate is a level unseen since March 2020. It peaked in March 2020, and presently is not quite that high, but higher than all the months since then. It kind of amazes me that with 50% of adults vaccinated now, we are nonetheless matching the rate of spread then. Our positive test rate is presently 8%, which seems not encouraging but maybe reflects less precautionary testing among the vaccinated? (My college age kids had a practice of testing before and after socializing with a different living group or traveling together to a roommate's home, so they tested a lot pre-vaccine and never now.) Daily new case counts are going up with the delta variant, of course, but remain at 1/10th what they were at the peak.
It feels like the delta variant is putting DH and I back where we were several months ago with ongoing conversations about what precautions make sense for a changing environment. He went to his first indoor work event with 100 other people last night. And DD#3 wants to bring several friends to our tiny little lake cabana (with one tiny bathroom) at the end of the month. These are things we're really looking forward to, but the breakout infections among the vaccinated are casting a new light on things.
I'm with @kimny72 that the last thing I want to do is become a spreader and infect someone too young to get the vaccine. Or to give the virus another opportunity to mutate.Where I live, the infection rate is a level unseen since March 2020. It peaked in March 2020, and presently is not quite that high, but higher than all the months since then. It kind of amazes me that with 50% of adults vaccinated now, we are nonetheless matching the rate of spread then. Our positive test rate is presently 8%, which seems not encouraging but maybe reflects less precautionary testing among the vaccinated? (My college age kids had a practice of testing before and after socializing with a different living group or traveling together to a roommate's home, so they tested a lot pre-vaccine and never now.) Daily new case counts are going up with the delta variant, of course, but remain at 1/10th what they were at the peak.
It feels like the delta variant is putting DH and I back where we were several months ago with ongoing conversations about what precautions make sense for a changing environment. He went to his first indoor work event with 100 other people last night. And DD#3 wants to bring several friends to our tiny little lake cabana (with one tiny bathroom) at the end of the month. These are things we're really looking forward to, but the breakout infections among the vaccinated are casting a new light on things.
I'm with @kimny72 that the last thing I want to do is become a spreader and infect someone too young to get the vaccine. Or to give the virus another opportunity to mutate.
I wonder about the positivity rate too. For several months I tested weekly, even after I was vaxx'd, because my mother lives in a congregate setting. When they removed that restriction that would be a whole lot of vaxx'd people who stopped getting tested every week (staff and visitors) - so if they are now testing less people who are mostly symptomatic - I guess that would put the positivity rate up even if cases are low?4 -
@33gail33 and @lemurcat2 Yeah, I was wondering the exact same thing as you two-- Is positivity up due to vaccinated people testing less because they no longer need a negative as a precaution to do something. Hence, many more people testing actually have symptoms and need to eliminate covid as a cause.
When I got a stubborn cold after reopening (2 months after 2nd vaccine), I had a covid test not because I thought it was likely I had it but to know if I needed to quarantine. No reason to test otherwise.
ETA: My county's positive high was 40% in March 2020 when tests were rationed to people with symptoms. It has risen over 20% 3 times since then corresponding with waves in May 2020, July 2020 and Jan 2021-- all before widespread vaccine availability2 -
I saw a quick report on the news that was a reminder of why its not a great idea to just let the unvaxxed get sick and live like nothing is wrong - hospitals in Kansas City are reaching capacity and starting to have to cancel elective and non-emergency surgeries, and doctors nurses and respiratory pros are having to give up days off and pull double shifts again. I also don't even want to think about how all these unexpected hospital stays, ICU stays, and emergency care will affect my insurance premiums in the coming years. In addition to spikes increasing the probability of breakthrough cases.16
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...You're basically arguing that because you've had the vaccine and done your bit (how is getting a vaccine that protects you "doing your bit"? All you've done is protect yourself--no bit doing!) it's none of your concern that you're shedding virus.
The vaccine protects me, and those around me. If I was exposed it would substantially reduce the viral load, thereby almost eliminating my risk of severe illness, while ALSO greatly reducing my capacity to spread the virus to others...
This is true. Getting the vaccine does more than just protect yourself. It's not simply a selfish thing.9 -
My partner and I were discussing this yesterday. At this point, I'm all for charging higher rates (akin to smokers) or allowing insurers to exempt coverage for COVID-19 care for those that choose not to be vaccinated. We need to stop socializing the cost they are hoisting upon the rest of society in terms of care for COVID, making others sick, and stressing our health care system. We've put more than enough carrots out there. Maybe it's time for the sticks.I saw a quick report on the news that was a reminder of why its not a great idea to just let the unvaxxed get sick and live like nothing is wrong - hospitals in Kansas City are reaching capacity and starting to have to cancel elective and non-emergency surgeries, and doctors nurses and respiratory pros are having to give up days off and pull double shifts again. I also don't even want to think about how all these unexpected hospital stays, ICU stays, and emergency care will affect my insurance premiums in the coming years. In addition to spikes increasing the probability of breakthrough cases.
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...You're basically arguing that because you've had the vaccine and done your bit (how is getting a vaccine that protects you "doing your bit"? All you've done is protect yourself--no bit doing!) it's none of your concern that you're shedding virus.
The vaccine protects me, and those around me. If I was exposed it would substantially reduce the viral load, thereby almost eliminating my risk of severe illness, while ALSO greatly reducing my capacity to spread the virus to others...
This is true. Getting the vaccine does more than just protect yourself. It's not simply a selfish thing.
Yes, it's completely true. I wanted to get vaxxed to protect myself, sure, and same with most people I know, but I also think vaccines are important (and would get vaxxed even if I thought there was no risk to myself from covid) bc it has helped things go back to normal (and thus the economy), and bc I think the more people who are vaxxed, the more it protects everyone and helps us reach herd immunity.16 -
The article below is for all of the people that think that COVID is a hoax and vaccines are not worthy. I am so pissed!!!!!
If you can't/shouldn't get the vaccine due to health reasons, please protect yourself and others by wearing a mask.
If this variant (Delta) had been the original one, we would probably had over 1 million people already death in the US due to the transmission of the virus and the fact that we didn't have vaccines or enough knowledge on how to treat sick people. We have now vaccines that are very effective in controlling serious disease, hospitalizations, and deaths. So why, why, do people don't take advantage of vaccines to keep themselves and others safe??
If this mentality had been around in the 50s, when the polio vaccine became available, we would have now a population of paralyzed people and many children, now adults, would be dead.
The pandemic is 'spiraling out of control' due to un-vaccinated people.
For anyone who loves freedom and hates mask mandates or remote learning, Dr. Jerome Adams has a blunt message: Get vaccinated.
"And it's coming because this pandemic is spiraling out of control yet again. And it's spiraling out of control because we don't have enough people vaccinated."
"The thing that's making this possible is the fact that we are dealing with the most transmissible version of Covid-19 that we've seen to date," current US Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy said.
So eligible Americans who want to prevent more mask mandates, business closures and a return to remote learning need to do their part and get vaccinated, said Adams, the Trump administration official.
"It's going to help every single American enjoy the freedoms that we want to return to," he said.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/25/health/us-coronavirus-sunday/index.html13 -
I've seen parts of this post shared in memes mistakenly attributed wholly to Macron, but the sentiment of frustration is shared by many of us that have done our part and are still suffering the burden from the poor choices of those around us. Let those who continue to choose to not be vaccinated suffer the restrictions and burden rather than the rest of us.
https://facebook.com/selvaggia.lucarelli/posts/101581953519359831 -
Since I just saw a current (reported yesterday - CBC) Canadian stat re vaccine side effects, I thought I'd throw it in here:
According to Public Health Agency of Canada data, there have been only 2,222 serious adverse events reported post-vaccination in Canada as of July 9. That's just 0.005 per cent of all doses administered.18 -
Accelerating the vaccination of young people is probably the best and fastest way to shut down COVID (herd immunity) without having to use a big stick.
If we are going to raise insurance rates for unvaccinated, it should be focused on people >50 yrs old, since they drive hospitalizations. Most people were like me, their COVID case cost a test to verify and one Dr visit (mine was virtual)2 -
Agree that approving vaccines for school aged children before school starts would be a big step to reduce risk. It's not possible to reach herd immunity without children. It may not be possible with them either given vaccine take rates, but it's definitively not possible without them based on their % of overall population.
I saw a US Congressman prominent person with policy making responsibility on TV last night. He honestly seemed to think not taking the vaccine caused risk only to the person not taking it. He seemed (or pretended to be) totally oblivious to the dynamic wherein spreading = variants. No spread=no variants. How is it even possible for someone with that much responsibility to be so oblivious to infection basics?
In case I'm veering into the political, I'll bring it back to the personal. DD#1 was the 1st vaccinated in our family by virtue of being a 7th grade teacher. Pfizer. She survived a whole year of germy 7th graders without getting sick. But now she is. She was with a friend group over the weekend, all vaccinated, and one tested covid positive yesterday. Awaiting DD's PCR result. Breakthrough infections are becoming more real all the time.
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The_Enginerd wrote: »I've seen parts of this post shared in memes mistakenly attributed wholly to Macron, but the sentiment of frustration is shared by many of us that have done our part and are still suffering the burden from the poor choices of those around us. Let those who continue to choose to not be vaccinated suffer the restrictions and burden rather than the rest of us.
https://facebook.com/selvaggia.lucarelli/posts/10158195351935983
I wish I could read the article but it is from FB and I am not a member.5 -
The_Enginerd wrote: »I've seen parts of this post shared in memes mistakenly attributed wholly to Macron, but the sentiment of frustration is shared by many of us that have done our part and are still suffering the burden from the poor choices of those around us. Let those who continue to choose to not be vaccinated suffer the restrictions and burden rather than the rest of us.
https://facebook.com/selvaggia.lucarelli/posts/10158195351935983
I wish I could read the article but it is from FB and I am not a member.
This also happens when some put up articles from newspapers on here and I can't read them since I don't subscribe to them like they do.5 -
Doesn't look good. We are at capacity in our hospital here again and they have been asking for people to volunteer for extra shifts to cover all the extra admits right now due to increased COVID patients.14 -
Agree that approving vaccines for school aged children before school starts would be a big step to reduce risk. It's not possible to reach herd immunity without children. It may not be possible with them either given vaccine take rates, but it's definitively not possible without them based on their % of overall population.
I saw a US Congressman prominent person with policy making responsibility on TV last night. He honestly seemed to think not taking the vaccine caused risk only to the person not taking it. He seemed (or pretended to be) totally oblivious to the dynamic wherein spreading = variants. No spread=no variants. How is it even possible for someone with that much responsibility to be so oblivious to infection basics?
In case I'm veering into the political, I'll bring it back to the personal. DD#1 was the 1st vaccinated in our family by virtue of being a 7th grade teacher. Pfizer. She survived a whole year of germy 7th graders without getting sick. But now she is. She was with a friend group over the weekend, all vaccinated, and one tested covid positive yesterday. Awaiting DD's PCR result. Breakthrough infections are becoming more real all the time.
They also need to remove the emergency usage tag and officially approve at least one of the vaccines as soon as they have adequate data. Any administrative or red tape related delays have to be removed, just like they did for the trials. Obviously if they still have questions that need answering it wouldn't be a good look or idea to gloss over that, but a lot of people I know who aren't vaxxed fall back on "I'll get the shot when it's actually approved and not still experimental".
Is your daughter feeling sick, or just has to get tested because of the close contact? There is one unvaxxed woman working on my floor and the company is not enforcing her wearing a mask. I avoid being around her for more than a minute or two, but I've been drawing comfort from figuring even if she gives it to me, I wouldn't have to worry about spreading it to other vaccinated people.7 -
At least locally, I feel so uninformed and insecure about everything that's going on now. Before our governor dropped the mask mandate for vaccinated people, I felt much safer and secure in what was happening. Ex., if there were positive cases in town or numbers were on the uptick within state, I heard about it. Now....are people not getting tested as quickly with symptoms, just because some have been vaccinated and feel safer? Are there truly no new cases here? It feels like one week we were still seeing local restaurants shutting down due to workers having Covid or being exposed, or, our local schools were battling new cases, then the next week everything was supposed to be hunky-dory and very few are wearing a mask? I've also noticed some stores are taking down their plastic guards at check-out.
SMH I just don't understand and now regret having been lax since the governor eased up.
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https://www.covid19.nh.gov/
Positivity rate is 2.3%, so it's not just people not getting tested. Only 20 current hospitalizations. NYTimes says 75% over 18 are partially vaxxed and 68% fully (the vax numbers on the site I linked are for everyone, including kids under 12 who are not eligible).
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Agree that approving vaccines for school aged children before school starts would be a big step to reduce risk. It's not possible to reach herd immunity without children. It may not be possible with them either given vaccine take rates, but it's definitively not possible without them based on their % of overall population.
I saw a US Congressman prominent person with policy making responsibility on TV last night. He honestly seemed to think not taking the vaccine caused risk only to the person not taking it. He seemed (or pretended to be) totally oblivious to the dynamic wherein spreading = variants. No spread=no variants. How is it even possible for someone with that much responsibility to be so oblivious to infection basics?
In case I'm veering into the political, I'll bring it back to the personal. DD#1 was the 1st vaccinated in our family by virtue of being a 7th grade teacher. Pfizer. She survived a whole year of germy 7th graders without getting sick. But now she is. She was with a friend group over the weekend, all vaccinated, and one tested covid positive yesterday. Awaiting DD's PCR result. Breakthrough infections are becoming more real all the time.
They also need to remove the emergency usage tag and officially approve at least one of the vaccines as soon as they have adequate data. Any administrative or red tape related delays have to be removed, just like they did for the trials. Obviously if they still have questions that need answering it wouldn't be a good look or idea to gloss over that, but a lot of people I know who aren't vaxxed fall back on "I'll get the shot when it's actually approved and not still experimental".
Is your daughter feeling sick, or just has to get tested because of the close contact? There is one unvaxxed woman working on my floor and the company is not enforcing her wearing a mask. I avoid being around her for more than a minute or two, but I've been drawing comfort from figuring even if she gives it to me, I wouldn't have to worry about spreading it to other vaccinated people.
Unfortunately, DD feels really sick -- fever, cough, worsening congestion. Yesterday CDC chief Walensky indicated the delta viral load is sufficiently high that vaccinated people can not only contract covid but also spread it to others. So back to mask wearing in places currently experiencing substantial or high community transmission. ETA: for vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.19 -
Agree that approving vaccines for school aged children before school starts would be a big step to reduce risk. It's not possible to reach herd immunity without children. It may not be possible with them either given vaccine take rates, but it's definitively not possible without them based on their % of overall population.
I saw a US Congressman prominent person with policy making responsibility on TV last night. He honestly seemed to think not taking the vaccine caused risk only to the person not taking it. He seemed (or pretended to be) totally oblivious to the dynamic wherein spreading = variants. No spread=no variants. How is it even possible for someone with that much responsibility to be so oblivious to infection basics?
In case I'm veering into the political, I'll bring it back to the personal. DD#1 was the 1st vaccinated in our family by virtue of being a 7th grade teacher. Pfizer. She survived a whole year of germy 7th graders without getting sick. But now she is. She was with a friend group over the weekend, all vaccinated, and one tested covid positive yesterday. Awaiting DD's PCR result. Breakthrough infections are becoming more real all the time.
They also need to remove the emergency usage tag and officially approve at least one of the vaccines as soon as they have adequate data. Any administrative or red tape related delays have to be removed, just like they did for the trials. Obviously if they still have questions that need answering it wouldn't be a good look or idea to gloss over that, but a lot of people I know who aren't vaxxed fall back on "I'll get the shot when it's actually approved and not still experimental".
Is your daughter feeling sick, or just has to get tested because of the close contact? There is one unvaxxed woman working on my floor and the company is not enforcing her wearing a mask. I avoid being around her for more than a minute or two, but I've been drawing comfort from figuring even if she gives it to me, I wouldn't have to worry about spreading it to other vaccinated people.
Unfortunately, DD feels really sick -- fever, cough, worsening congestion. Yesterday CDC chief Walensky indicated the delta viral load is sufficiently high that vaccinated people can not only contract covid but also spread it to others. So back to mask wearing in places currently experiencing substantial or high community transmission. ETA: for vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.
When was your daughter vaxxed? It could be that with this new super contagious variant, we're all going to need boosters earlier than we thought...5 -
https://www.covid19.nh.gov/
Positivity rate is 2.3%, so it's not just people not getting tested. Only 20 current hospitalizations. NYTimes says 75% over 18 are partially vaxxed and 68% fully (the vax numbers on the site I linked are for everyone, including kids under 12 who are not eligible).
FWIW, I just got tested. I was quite certain I didn't have Covid, though I know I could potentially get it despite being vaxed. However, I had a set of (fairly mild) symptoms that don't routinely cluster together for me, so decided to go the "abundance of caution" route. No known exposure, but had spent some longer times in a couple of restaurant & health care settings recently (the latter fully/constantly masked, of course).
It was mildly annoying, but entirely practical, to stay away from other people until I got a negative test result, which just hit the online portal a few minutes ago.
Like I said, I expected the negative result, but . . . jeez, I'd hate to make assumptions that everything is hunky-dory and have some associate get seriously sick (I see people often who have various health challenges, or have family with such).
Process was easy: Online symptom checker through the portal to self-authorize, drive-through test opportunity anytime within 72 hours of the self-auth, bit of a line at the former auto service center where they have drive-through Covid tests (and a separate, isolated lane for other labs), but it took less than an hour. Never got out of my car. Test results promised in 2-3 days, but showed up in just over 24 hours.12 -
Agree that approving vaccines for school aged children before school starts would be a big step to reduce risk. It's not possible to reach herd immunity without children. It may not be possible with them either given vaccine take rates, but it's definitively not possible without them based on their % of overall population.
I saw a US Congressman prominent person with policy making responsibility on TV last night. He honestly seemed to think not taking the vaccine caused risk only to the person not taking it. He seemed (or pretended to be) totally oblivious to the dynamic wherein spreading = variants. No spread=no variants. How is it even possible for someone with that much responsibility to be so oblivious to infection basics?
In case I'm veering into the political, I'll bring it back to the personal. DD#1 was the 1st vaccinated in our family by virtue of being a 7th grade teacher. Pfizer. She survived a whole year of germy 7th graders without getting sick. But now she is. She was with a friend group over the weekend, all vaccinated, and one tested covid positive yesterday. Awaiting DD's PCR result. Breakthrough infections are becoming more real all the time.
They also need to remove the emergency usage tag and officially approve at least one of the vaccines as soon as they have adequate data. Any administrative or red tape related delays have to be removed, just like they did for the trials. Obviously if they still have questions that need answering it wouldn't be a good look or idea to gloss over that, but a lot of people I know who aren't vaxxed fall back on "I'll get the shot when it's actually approved and not still experimental".
Is your daughter feeling sick, or just has to get tested because of the close contact? There is one unvaxxed woman working on my floor and the company is not enforcing her wearing a mask. I avoid being around her for more than a minute or two, but I've been drawing comfort from figuring even if she gives it to me, I wouldn't have to worry about spreading it to other vaccinated people.
Unfortunately, DD feels really sick -- fever, cough, worsening congestion. Yesterday CDC chief Walensky indicated the delta viral load is sufficiently high that vaccinated people can not only contract covid but also spread it to others. So back to mask wearing in places currently experiencing substantial or high community transmission. ETA: for vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.
When was your daughter vaxxed? It could be that with this new super contagious variant, we're all going to need boosters earlier than we thought...
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Agree that approving vaccines for school aged children before school starts would be a big step to reduce risk. It's not possible to reach herd immunity without children. It may not be possible with them either given vaccine take rates, but it's definitively not possible without them based on their % of overall population.
I saw a US Congressman prominent person with policy making responsibility on TV last night. He honestly seemed to think not taking the vaccine caused risk only to the person not taking it. He seemed (or pretended to be) totally oblivious to the dynamic wherein spreading = variants. No spread=no variants. How is it even possible for someone with that much responsibility to be so oblivious to infection basics?
In case I'm veering into the political, I'll bring it back to the personal. DD#1 was the 1st vaccinated in our family by virtue of being a 7th grade teacher. Pfizer. She survived a whole year of germy 7th graders without getting sick. But now she is. She was with a friend group over the weekend, all vaccinated, and one tested covid positive yesterday. Awaiting DD's PCR result. Breakthrough infections are becoming more real all the time.
They also need to remove the emergency usage tag and officially approve at least one of the vaccines as soon as they have adequate data. Any administrative or red tape related delays have to be removed, just like they did for the trials. Obviously if they still have questions that need answering it wouldn't be a good look or idea to gloss over that, but a lot of people I know who aren't vaxxed fall back on "I'll get the shot when it's actually approved and not still experimental".
Is your daughter feeling sick, or just has to get tested because of the close contact? There is one unvaxxed woman working on my floor and the company is not enforcing her wearing a mask. I avoid being around her for more than a minute or two, but I've been drawing comfort from figuring even if she gives it to me, I wouldn't have to worry about spreading it to other vaccinated people.
Unfortunately, DD feels really sick -- fever, cough, worsening congestion. Yesterday CDC chief Walensky indicated the delta viral load is sufficiently high that vaccinated people can not only contract covid but also spread it to others. So back to mask wearing in places currently experiencing substantial or high community transmission. ETA: for vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.
When was your daughter vaxxed? It could be that with this new super contagious variant, we're all going to need boosters earlier than we thought...
The preliminary study data showed efficacy of the Pfizer shot at six months is 84%. That's down from the 95% peak efficacy, but still quite good.
https://www.statnews.com/2021/07/28/efficacy-of-pfizer-biontech-covid-vaccine-slips-to-84-after-six-months-data-show/5 -
The following changes will take effect on Aug. 16:
Provincial mandatory masking orders will be lifted. Some masking in acute care or continuing care facilities may still be required.
Isolation following a positive COVID-19 test result will no longer be required, but strongly recommended.
Testing will be available for Albertans with symptoms when it is needed to help direct patient care decisions.
Universal masking will not be required in schools once students return.
Alberta population is just under 4.5 million. 5.25 million vaccine doses as of July 27... that's 1.17 per person, we're all good to go!
Nothing to be concerned about, obviously, since I've been vaccinated, right?
But we will be saved by not allowing intercontinental visitors (with full vaccination and testing)... oh... I forgot... no testing will be available unless your doctor sends you to a lab as part of requiring confirmation to better care for you (i.e. you're sick enough that it matters which kind of virus you have).
In the meanwhile while we're tootling along... China is cracking down internally. Inflation here to stay... But we will be saved by not spending all that money on imported masks--right?!
And "people who believe that they should no longer be restricted because they've done their bit by getting vaccinated" face no mandate, or push, to stay isolated, or even wear a mask, while out and about shedding COVID cooties... because it's just like the flu and I have every right to share my flu with you!5 -
Agree that approving vaccines for school aged children before school starts would be a big step to reduce risk. It's not possible to reach herd immunity without children. It may not be possible with them either given vaccine take rates, but it's definitively not possible without them based on their % of overall population.
I saw a US Congressman prominent person with policy making responsibility on TV last night. He honestly seemed to think not taking the vaccine caused risk only to the person not taking it. He seemed (or pretended to be) totally oblivious to the dynamic wherein spreading = variants. No spread=no variants. How is it even possible for someone with that much responsibility to be so oblivious to infection basics?
In case I'm veering into the political, I'll bring it back to the personal. DD#1 was the 1st vaccinated in our family by virtue of being a 7th grade teacher. Pfizer. She survived a whole year of germy 7th graders without getting sick. But now she is. She was with a friend group over the weekend, all vaccinated, and one tested covid positive yesterday. Awaiting DD's PCR result. Breakthrough infections are becoming more real all the time.
They also need to remove the emergency usage tag and officially approve at least one of the vaccines as soon as they have adequate data. Any administrative or red tape related delays have to be removed, just like they did for the trials. Obviously if they still have questions that need answering it wouldn't be a good look or idea to gloss over that, but a lot of people I know who aren't vaxxed fall back on "I'll get the shot when it's actually approved and not still experimental".
Is your daughter feeling sick, or just has to get tested because of the close contact? There is one unvaxxed woman working on my floor and the company is not enforcing her wearing a mask. I avoid being around her for more than a minute or two, but I've been drawing comfort from figuring even if she gives it to me, I wouldn't have to worry about spreading it to other vaccinated people.
Unfortunately, DD feels really sick -- fever, cough, worsening congestion. Yesterday CDC chief Walensky indicated the delta viral load is sufficiently high that vaccinated people can not only contract covid but also spread it to others. So back to mask wearing in places currently experiencing substantial or high community transmission. ETA: for vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.
Well crap. Wishing her a speedy and complete recovery.6
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