Coronavirus prep
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Agree that approving vaccines for school aged children before school starts would be a big step to reduce risk. It's not possible to reach herd immunity without children. It may not be possible with them either given vaccine take rates, but it's definitively not possible without them based on their % of overall population.
I saw a US Congressman prominent person with policy making responsibility on TV last night. He honestly seemed to think not taking the vaccine caused risk only to the person not taking it. He seemed (or pretended to be) totally oblivious to the dynamic wherein spreading = variants. No spread=no variants. How is it even possible for someone with that much responsibility to be so oblivious to infection basics?
In case I'm veering into the political, I'll bring it back to the personal. DD#1 was the 1st vaccinated in our family by virtue of being a 7th grade teacher. Pfizer. She survived a whole year of germy 7th graders without getting sick. But now she is. She was with a friend group over the weekend, all vaccinated, and one tested covid positive yesterday. Awaiting DD's PCR result. Breakthrough infections are becoming more real all the time.
They also need to remove the emergency usage tag and officially approve at least one of the vaccines as soon as they have adequate data. Any administrative or red tape related delays have to be removed, just like they did for the trials. Obviously if they still have questions that need answering it wouldn't be a good look or idea to gloss over that, but a lot of people I know who aren't vaxxed fall back on "I'll get the shot when it's actually approved and not still experimental".
Is your daughter feeling sick, or just has to get tested because of the close contact? There is one unvaxxed woman working on my floor and the company is not enforcing her wearing a mask. I avoid being around her for more than a minute or two, but I've been drawing comfort from figuring even if she gives it to me, I wouldn't have to worry about spreading it to other vaccinated people.
Unfortunately, DD feels really sick -- fever, cough, worsening congestion. Yesterday CDC chief Walensky indicated the delta viral load is sufficiently high that vaccinated people can not only contract covid but also spread it to others. So back to mask wearing in places currently experiencing substantial or high community transmission. ETA: for vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.
When was your daughter vaxxed? It could be that with this new super contagious variant, we're all going to need boosters earlier than we thought...
February 2021
I hope that your daughter gets better soon. Hugs to all.6 -
I just saw this article. Worrisome news. Keep the children safe they are our future.
[b]Arkansas Children's hospitals report record high number of children hospitalized with Covid-19[/b]
The hospitals, located in Little Rock and Springdale, said 24 pediatric patients were hospitalized with Covid-19 on Wednesday, a 50% increase over any previous peak during the pandemic. Of the 24 children, seven are in intensive care and two are on ventilators, the hospital said. More than half of them could have been vaccinated -- anyone 12 and over is eligible for a free shot -- but none of those hospitalized had done so.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/us/arkansas-covid-children/index.html8 -
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/07/28/la-joya-covid-migrants-whataburger/
This form of COVID-19 exposure at the federal level brothers me even if it speeds up herd immunity. There is lots of poverty in that area based on what I saw 15 years ago. Locally Delta Is spreading. Masks are uncommon.5 -
As of Monday, it seems any of you in the US who are twice vaccinated and wish to come to England are welcome, Scotland and Wales, by default, the English Welsh border is too open to keep effectively closed. Caveats seem to have been added over night, the pre and day 2 testing and the eligible vaccine are ones used here and in the EU, so that makes for more complications. My expectations are there will be more factors added as Monday approaches.
There was no mention of the hoops any who were contemplating travel in this direction might have to go through for there return home. Its not as if our issue with the Delta Variant is over, total numbers had dropped over the previous couple of weeks but in the last accounting week there was another rise. Several ideas have been put forward. Schools are out so the youngsters are not being tested, just to be at home being the principal one.
Another suggestion is persons are not using the UK test and trace app because they fear being pinged to self isolate because it does not differentiate yet between the vaccinated and unvaccinated persons. I was also suggested the app, I think it best I don't mention its name, does not know enough to realise there is a solid wall between two persons effectively in two buildings. Its so complicated.
I think its another two weeks before those twice vaccinated + two weeks, will be able to do tests to ensure they are not affected by any form of the virus its this which is causing delivery difficulties because of the broad brush once pinged you must isolate. 10 days ago the government was said to be providing additional testing support to food transportation industries and other "essential services" but I've not heard of any substantial supported testing being available as yet. It seems like a muddle to me.
I hope the current spikes in cases you're experiencing can be brought under control very soon to keep everyone safe on your side of the pond. Deep Commiserations. Best wishes to you all.6 -
As of Monday, it seems any of you in the US who are twice vaccinated and wish to come to England are welcome, Scotland and Wales, by default, the English Welsh border is too open to keep effectively closed. Caveats seem to have been added over night, the pre and day 2 testing and the eligible vaccine are ones used here and in the EU, so that makes for more complications. My expectations are there will be more factors added as Monday approaches.
There was no mention of the hoops any who were contemplating travel in this direction might have to go through for there return home. Its not as if our issue with the Delta Variant is over, total numbers had dropped over the previous couple of weeks but in the last accounting week there was another rise. Several ideas have been put forward. Schools are out so the youngsters are not being tested, just to be at home being the principal one.
Another suggestion is persons are not using the UK test and trace app because they fear being pinged to self isolate because it does not differentiate yet between the vaccinated and unvaccinated persons. I was also suggested the app, I think it best I don't mention its name, does not know enough to realise there is a solid wall between two persons effectively in two buildings. Its so complicated.
I think its another two weeks before those twice vaccinated + two weeks, will be able to do tests to ensure they are not affected by any form of the virus its this which is causing delivery difficulties because of the broad brush once pinged you must isolate. 10 days ago the government was said to be providing additional testing support to food transportation industries and other "essential services" but I've not heard of any substantial supported testing being available as yet. It seems like a muddle to me.
I hope the current spikes in cases you're experiencing can be brought under control very soon to keep everyone safe on your side of the pond. Deep Commiserations. Best wishes to you all.
any idea why they aren't letting Canadians in under the same rules? Canada has less COVID and higher vaccination rates than the US, so it's a bit of a head scratcher.
only thing I can think it may be related to is our willy-nilly vaccination rules - using expired doses, "mix and match" different types of vaccines, longer intervals than supposed to? but that is a total guess - everything I've seen does not explain why Canadians are being excluded.3 -
I'm very, very sorry, I'm not able to second guess anything that is going on in Downing Street.
For me, I'd favour Canadian consideration, I recognise the Commonwealth. One or was it two countries who opted out rather a long time ago, possibly before the Commonwealth became a thing. I'd like to see the vaccination levels as good as possible throughout everywhere too, we are all safe when as many as are humanly possible to vaccinated are vaccinated.
Now I'm hearing Global Warming is 70 years ahead of what we were told to expect! Humanity is good at prevaricating.2 -
I'm not against the vaccine, but there are a few recent scientific studies out where they are showing that "natural" immunity (aka, those of us who've had covid) is actually better than the vaccines in terms of re-infection, spreading, and long term protection (T & B cells).
One link here: https://news.emory.edu/stories/2021/07/covid_survivors_resistance/index.html
I wish that main stream testing for natural immunity would be pushed as hard as the vaccine - I would have no issue (for things like travel and crowd-type events) providing one or the other, but as someone who's had it, I am very hesitant to consider taking a vaccine with no knowledge on the long term side effects when covid had almost no impact on me (other than the loss of smell, I've had worse seasonal allergies).4 -
HoneyBadger302 wrote: »I'm not against the vaccine, but there are a few recent scientific studies out where they are showing that "natural" immunity (aka, those of us who've had covid) is actually better than the vaccines in terms of re-infection, spreading, and long term protection (T & B cells).
One link here: https://news.emory.edu/stories/2021/07/covid_survivors_resistance/index.html
I wish that main stream testing for natural immunity would be pushed as hard as the vaccine - I would have no issue (for things like travel and crowd-type events) providing one or the other, but as someone who's had it, I am very hesitant to consider taking a vaccine with no knowledge on the long term side effects when covid had almost no impact on me (other than the loss of smell, I've had worse seasonal allergies).
I had it, 99.5 fever for half a day was the worst impact, felt tired a couple days but still worked the whole time.
I ended up getting the Pfizer 2 shot treatment. Should be good with possible exception of any long term effect.8 -
HoneyBadger302 wrote: »I'm not against the vaccine, but there are a few recent scientific studies out where they are showing that "natural" immunity (aka, those of us who've had covid) is actually better than the vaccines in terms of re-infection, spreading, and long term protection (T & B cells).
One link here: https://news.emory.edu/stories/2021/07/covid_survivors_resistance/index.html
I wish that main stream testing for natural immunity would be pushed as hard as the vaccine - I would have no issue (for things like travel and crowd-type events) providing one or the other, but as someone who's had it, I am very hesitant to consider taking a vaccine with no knowledge on the long term side effects when covid had almost no impact on me (other than the loss of smell, I've had worse seasonal allergies).
I personally would still rather be vaxxed, as I have no idea if I'd have a mild illness like you or end up with long covid or something worse, and we have no idea how long the virus hides in your body after infection. I don't see the suggestion that natural immunity is stronger in your link, but I guess it was in one of the other sites you read.
Regardless, that's reassuring as there are lots of people who got covid and are vaccine hesitant.
They've discussed on TWIV that folks who got covid and later got one mRNA shot had a nice strong immune response, and they recommend a one shot mRNA dose for those previously infected. But I didn't note a study name or other source so I can't point you to anything if you're looking for info one way or the other. If they do discuss it again I'll pay more attn to the source! But the vaccine is cleared quickly from the body, so there's little reason to expect long term side effects, it just prompts an immune response and then breaks down.
I think part of the problem is they still aren't sure what the best way to test for immunity is. I know TWIV has mentioned that many of the lab studies that test immune response are measuring antibodies, but t-cell response may actually be more important. Just measuring antibodies circulating in the body isn't a good measurement, as what's important isn't that you currently have antibodies, but that your body knows how to produce them, and does so quickly enough. So they are working on it, but unfortunately that doesn't help you now. I know they can do a blood test to check if you need boosters for other vaccinations, so hopefully they figure it out soon. If infection is conferring adequate immunity, knowing that can only help us figure out how to move forward in the right direction!5 -
HoneyBadger302 wrote: »I'm not against the vaccine, but there are a few recent scientific studies out where they are showing that "natural" immunity (aka, those of us who've had covid) is actually better than the vaccines in terms of re-infection, spreading, and long term protection (T & B cells).
One link here: https://news.emory.edu/stories/2021/07/covid_survivors_resistance/index.html
I wish that main stream testing for natural immunity would be pushed as hard as the vaccine - I would have no issue (for things like travel and crowd-type events) providing one or the other, but as someone who's had it, I am very hesitant to consider taking a vaccine with no knowledge on the long term side effects when covid had almost no impact on me (other than the loss of smell, I've had worse seasonal allergies).
I personally would still rather be vaxxed, as I have no idea if I'd have a mild illness like you or end up with long covid or something worse, and we have no idea how long the virus hides in your body after infection. I don't see the suggestion that natural immunity is stronger in your link, but I guess it was in one of the other sites you read...
I had a mild illness. It was no big deal, mostly a mild headache and everything tasted like dirt. But in the weeks and months afterwards, I slowly developed worsening problems with my lungs, waking up gasping for air, etc. It kept worsening for at least 6 months after, then it leveled off. I'm getting better gradually, but a year and a half later I still have two inhalers, and I never needed an inhaler before. A mild initial illness doesn't necessarily mean you are in the clear long term.26 -
Thanks for the well wishes, @Gisel2015 & @kimny72. DD tested positive for Covid. Here is how it happened.
6 girls (22 & 23 yo) spent last weekend together. All fully vaccinated by April 2021. I don't know who had what brand vaccines. DD probably does. She had Pfizer in February. They drove together for 1.5 hours to an outdoor concert on Saturday & back. Spent Sunday together then went back to their respective homes. Monday 3 felt sick and tested positive. She has felt really bad for 5 days and counting.
Repeating myself, it makes "breakthrough infections" seem very real right now.22 -
Thanks for the well wishes, @Gisel2015 & @kimny72. DD tested positive for Covid. Here is how it happened.
6 girls (22 & 23 yo) spent last weekend together. All fully vaccinated by April 2021. I don't know who had what brand vaccines. DD probably does. She had Pfizer in February. They drove together for 1.5 hours to an outdoor concert on Saturday & back. Spent Sunday together then went back to their respective homes. Monday 3 felt sick and tested positive. She has felt really bad for 5 days and counting.
Repeating myself, it makes "breakthrough infections" seem very real right now.
Oh wow, I hope she turns the corner soon and the rest of your family stays well!!
Another reason they should never have eased up on the masking mandates so soon.
Most of us are feeling pretty safe to be living life normally again but then reality rears its head. 12 -
Thanks for the well wishes, @Gisel2015 & @kimny72. DD tested positive for Covid. Here is how it happened.
6 girls (22 & 23 yo) spent last weekend together. All fully vaccinated by April 2021. I don't know who had what brand vaccines. DD probably does. She had Pfizer in February. They drove together for 1.5 hours to an outdoor concert on Saturday & back. Spent Sunday together then went back to their respective homes. Monday 3 felt sick and tested positive. She has felt really bad for 5 days and counting.
Repeating myself, it makes "breakthrough infections" seem very real right now.
Oh wow, I hope she turns the corner soon and the rest of your family stays well!!
Another reason they should never have eased up on the masking mandates so soon. Most of us are feeling pretty safe to be living life normally again but then reality rears its head.
With the data available at the time, the vaccine was conferring much less ability for the vaccinated to spread COVID-19 (sterilizing immunity). The guidance was based on the best data available at the time, but I still think it was not communicated well or well thought out as expecting folks to respect the honor system was naive at best.
However, additional data on the Delta variant from a recent outbreak indicates the viral loads, and thus transmissibility, were similar among vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals. This is what drove the CDC to revise it's mask guidance.
Source: https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/30/health/breakthrough-infection-masks-cdc-provincetown-study/index.html
Early release study: http://dx.doi.org/10.15585/mmwr.mm7031e2
I was looking forward to travel internationally and returning to more normal, but this is a disappointing step back. Spain and Portugal were just recently revised to "Do Not Travel" advisory. 12 -
*kitten* *kittens*The_Enginerd wrote: »
https://data.edmonton.ca/Community-Services/COVID-19-in-Alberta-R-values/4vfx-e2qj
Alberta provincewide July 19 to July 25 1.48 confidence interval: 1.38-1.59
Alberta provincewide July 5 to July 11 0.84 confidence interval: 0.74-0.94
Alberta provincewide June 21 to June 27 0.75 confidence interval: 0.69-0.82
So R values doubling in a month... must be VERY good... so good in fact that it is "time for Stage 3 open for the summer"!
And what does that mean? Why that "all other public health measures have been lifted. This includes all restrictions on social gatherings – there are no longer capacity limits on either indoor or outdoor gatherings!" Woohoo!
Let's "bring COVID-19 measures in line with those used for (other) respiratory viruses! Starting August 16 The 10-day isolation period following a positive test result will no longer be mandatory
https://www.alberta.ca/covid-19-public-health-actions.aspx
Hey: and about the pesky R value? I have a solution! Indirectly recommended by all those who recognize that you can't have increasing R values if you don't test anyone! Simplez -- right? So we can DO this, now worries! "Testing will no longer be recommended for those with mild symptoms for whom a result will not change their treatment." Well, let's not be unreasonable here, some, testing will be available __with symptoms__,**when it is needed to help direct patient care decisions**10 -
*kitten* *kittens*The_Enginerd wrote: »
https://data.edmonton.ca/Community-Services/COVID-19-in-Alberta-R-values/4vfx-e2qj
Alberta provincewide July 19 to July 25 1.48 confidence interval: 1.38-1.59
Alberta provincewide July 5 to July 11 0.84 confidence interval: 0.74-0.94
Alberta provincewide June 21 to June 27 0.75 confidence interval: 0.69-0.82
So R values doubling in a month... must be VERY good... so good in fact that it is "time for Stage 3 open for the summer"!
And what does that mean? Why that "all other public health measures have been lifted. This includes all restrictions on social gatherings – there are no longer capacity limits on either indoor or outdoor gatherings!" Woohoo!
Let's "bring COVID-19 measures in line with those used for (other) respiratory viruses! Starting August 16 The 10-day isolation period following a positive test result will no longer be mandatory
https://www.alberta.ca/covid-19-public-health-actions.aspx
Hey: and about the pesky R value? I have a solution! Indirectly recommended by all those who recognize that you can't have increasing R values if you don't test anyone! Simplez -- right? So we can DO this, now worries! "Testing will no longer be recommended for those with mild symptoms for whom a result will not change their treatment." Well, let's not be unreasonable here, some, testing will be available __with symptoms__,**when it is needed to help direct patient care decisions**
And let's not forget, this is right on the heels of Kenney wanting to give Alberta nurses a pay cut.3 -
Dealing with Long Covid for 7 months now building Covid-19 resistance the naturally sucks in my view. Having now have both Moderna shots (May/June 2021) I am concerned about my ability to be a super spreader of the Delta varient.10
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Question for the community: Anyone have first hand anecdote of someone having covid in 2020, then a vaccine, then contracting covid again?2
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Question for the community: Anyone have first hand anecdote of someone having covid in 2020, then a vaccine, then contracting covid again?
I don't. My niece and her family caught covid in December 2020. It was mild for all of them but they followed the rules. Quarantine for more than 14 days, followed by two negative PCR tests before they ventured out or went back to work.
They haven't complained about any long term COVID side effects. They all got vaccinated (Moderna and Pfizer) when their ages allowed, even the young teenager. But they never stopped wearing masks indoors, and my niece is wearing her mask at work again considering the increase in infection due to Delta, even if masks are not required at her job. And the teen is planning to wear her mask at school when she goes back to in-person classes next month.
Hope that your daughter is getting better.
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Question for the community: Anyone have first hand anecdote of someone having covid in 2020, then a vaccine, then contracting covid again?
Not yet. My brother-in-law's wife caught covid from someone at work around Thanksgiving last year. He got sick too. They got the J&J shot in late April or May. So far they have not contracted it again to their knowledge. We'll see in a few weeks. Wife is traveling to MI and then OH for work, and Delta is ramping up here but not exploded. Yet. So we'll see.
I also hope your daughter is feeling better.
My other inlaws are in quarantine though due to exposure from someone who later tested positive. We are in northeastern TN. The other brother-in-law and wife have never masked and refuse the vaccine and so...I wasn't shocked when they got the call. Our county is still only 29% vaccinated. Masking has been barely existent here the entire time. Since the CDC made their masking proclamation, masking is virtually extinct. Though my immediate family has still been masking since we have an ineligible child. The careless couple were in contact with hubby's parents though. One of whom refuses to get the 2nd shot. All are rife with comorbidities. I hope they are all ok. I also hope they'll learn something from the scare, but they haven't learned anything from previous close calls with the original virus, so I won't hold my breath.11 -
Delta is exploding here in my county. I feel a little angry that I have to "ask" but I just sent a note in to my manager requesting to work remote until the "uncontrolled community spread" is over here. It's probably worse now than at any time during the 15 months I was remote. And with the efficacy of the vaccine being possibly less than 50% I hope they approve this request.17
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I'm from Massachusetts and lived in Florida for seven years. Glad to be back in MA. Our "nanny state" has long done things like mandated yearly car inspections, recycling, added a surcharge on bottles so they get returned, and is known as "Taxachusetts." However, despite our shaky rollout, we are # 2, after Vermont, for vaccination rate.
In my county, 63% of Total Population and 74% of Population ≥ 18 Years of Age has had at least one shot.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#county-view
Nevertheless, I've yet to eat in a restaurant or attend any indoor event. I've been fully vaccinated since April and am unmasked in grocery stores, but only go at off peak times.
I don't do touristy things in Plymouth, let alone P-Town, where there was a recent outbreak despite high vaccinated rate of both the residents and the people who got sick.9 -
SummerSkier wrote: »Delta is exploding here in my county. I feel a little angry that I have to "ask" but I just sent a note in to my manager requesting to work remote until the "uncontrolled community spread" is over here. It's probably worse now than at any time during the 15 months I was remote. And with the efficacy of the vaccine being possibly less than 50% I hope they approve this request.
I doubt it's worse now. I live in a place where we've had a pretty bad experience, and the highest deaths were 238 (for my city) in Dec, with the second worse 191 on May 13, 2020. Current deaths are at 1. I think the media isn't accurately reporting what is really going on.4 -
SummerSkier wrote: »Delta is exploding here in my county. I feel a little angry that I have to "ask" but I just sent a note in to my manager requesting to work remote until the "uncontrolled community spread" is over here. It's probably worse now than at any time during the 15 months I was remote. And with the efficacy of the vaccine being possibly less than 50% I hope they approve this request.
I doubt it's worse now. I live in a place where we've had a pretty bad experience, and the highest deaths were 238 (for my city) in Dec, with the second worse 191 on May 13, 2020. Current deaths are at 1. I think the media isn't accurately reporting what is really going on.
Several states are reporting full ICUs and are canceling elective and non essential procedures. Deaths are a lagging statistic, it often takes several weeks for a serious case to become fatal. That 1 death is a reflection of community spread in May and June. Not saying it WILL be worse, just that cases exploding now won't be reflected in deaths until September.13 -
SummerSkier wrote: »Delta is exploding here in my county. I feel a little angry that I have to "ask" but I just sent a note in to my manager requesting to work remote until the "uncontrolled community spread" is over here. It's probably worse now than at any time during the 15 months I was remote. And with the efficacy of the vaccine being possibly less than 50% I hope they approve this request.
Vaccine efficacy is not less than 50%. The vaccines are intended to prevent severe illness and death, and they are still doing that dramatically well. The hope was that they would also prevent infection, and they also seem to do that very well in most variants, maybe not so well with Delta. But even in that MA spreader, I believe there was only a few hospitalizations and one death.
Having said this, I don't blame you in the least for requesting WFH right now. There's been a lot of whispering at my office here in VA that considering positivity rates and a few high risk/ older employees (plus a couple of unvaxxed employees) maybe we should get anyone who can do it back out of the office. Why risk even one bad case when we already proved we can WFH? My goal is still to avoid infection until more is known about what infection actually does to the body, and if vaxxed cases typically limit whatever that damage is, but I realize that might be a pipe dream at this point. I'm still gonna try though
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I’ve not seen any statistics showing which shot people with breakthrough cases got. It seems like that would be an interesting statistic.
If anyone has seen the breakdown, please post.6 -
Let's go get sick, woohoo! **Kittens** sitting in a 10 person shuttle with three people sniffling and the driver apologizing for asking people to wear a mask because it is still mandated; but won't be soon.
As I said: as long as I've done my bit by getting vaccinated I have a right to share my cooties with you. Oh, wait, it wasn't me who was arguing that. I was arguing for taking measures to avoid sharing in spite of being vaccinated. Funny that!8 -
HawkingRadiation wrote: »I’ve not seen any statistics showing which shot people with breakthrough cases got. It seems like that would be an interesting statistic.
If anyone has seen the breakdown, please post.
I don't know if somebody (CDC??) is keeping track of which vaccine has the most break-thru cases, or if testing centers ask for the name of the vaccine that a person received. It would be interesting to know.
I was reading online (Mr. Google to the rescue) that breakthrough cases may be under counted and underestimated since not all vaccinated people feeling sick or "thinking" that they got covid seek testing. Some just quarantine themselves for few days. In addition, some vaccinated people that might have been infected with the new variant could be totally un-symptomatic, but still able to spread the virus. That is why masks are still needed.
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Finally started seeing my two young grandkids this June/ hadnt since march 2020. Here we go again!! This delta is getting worse from what I hear.
Plus I hear Louisiana is high infection and their other grandparents who babysit weekly are there right now visiting. We are all in Ohio. I pray they dont bring the delta home with them for their sake and granddaughters and their mom and dad, and me and my husbands. And anyone else they come in contact with for that matter.
I will be wearing my mask at my home from now on if we get company and again still try to limit people coming inside. I never did stop wearing it otherwise and havent set foot in any stores since march 2020.
Happy b day to my brother in heaven, he died from covid complication January this year.
May we all keep safe and wash your hands wear your mask and limit big crowds.25 -
HawkingRadiation wrote: »I’ve not seen any statistics showing which shot people with breakthrough cases got. It seems like that would be an interesting statistic.
If anyone has seen the breakdown, please post.
I don't know if somebody (CDC??) is keeping track of which vaccine has the most break-thru cases, or if testing centers ask for the name of the vaccine that a person received. It would be interesting to know.
I was reading online (Mr. Google to the rescue) that breakthrough cases may be under counted and underestimated since not all vaccinated people feeling sick or "thinking" that they got covid seek testing. Some just quarantine themselves for few days. In addition, some vaccinated people that might have been infected with the new variant could be totally un-symptomatic, but still able to spread the virus. That is why masks are still needed.
A podcast called Up First (NPR) discussed this last week. Sorry, don’t remember the day. LMK if you’re interested and I’ll figure out which episode. It said the CDC was expecting breakthrough infections and did not expect them to be significant, so the CDC never tracked breakthrough infections by variant type or by vaccine type or anything at all. In retrospect it seems It would have been useful information.8 -
SummerSkier wrote: »Delta is exploding here in my county. I feel a little angry that I have to "ask" but I just sent a note in to my manager requesting to work remote until the "uncontrolled community spread" is over here. It's probably worse now than at any time during the 15 months I was remote. And with the efficacy of the vaccine being possibly less than 50% I hope they approve this request.
I doubt it's worse now. I live in a place where we've had a pretty bad experience, and the highest deaths were 238 (for my city) in Dec, with the second worse 191 on May 13, 2020. Current deaths are at 1. I think the media isn't accurately reporting what is really going on.
See what happens in a couple weeks when the seeds planted by Lalapolooza in Chicago germinate.6
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