Coronavirus prep
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »Delta is exploding here in my county. I feel a little angry that I have to "ask" but I just sent a note in to my manager requesting to work remote until the "uncontrolled community spread" is over here. It's probably worse now than at any time during the 15 months I was remote. And with the efficacy of the vaccine being possibly less than 50% I hope they approve this request.
I doubt it's worse now. I live in a place where we've had a pretty bad experience, and the highest deaths were 238 (for my city) in Dec, with the second worse 191 on May 13, 2020. Current deaths are at 1. I think the media isn't accurately reporting what is really going on.
See what happens in a couple weeks when the seeds planted by Lalapolooza in Chicago germinate.
Isn't the Sturgis (sp?) motorcycle rally happening soon in SD too? I believe that is the one that was considered a big spreader last year. Oh dear, here we go again.
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In Belgium, we have high vax rates (I'll post them here below for reference).
Still, my friend's mother passed away Saturday from Covid, she was in a care home for several years and had severe underlying conditions but had tested positive for the delta variant just last week. Every patient on the ward was fully vaccinated since February, the staff had a 93% vaccination rate. The only thing they changed this month was allowing more visitors. Four other patients on the ward have also passed quiet soon after testing positive unfortunately. They were are all very elderly with severe comorbidities.
The Delta variant changes the warfare against Covid, sadly.
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »Delta is exploding here in my county. I feel a little angry that I have to "ask" but I just sent a note in to my manager requesting to work remote until the "uncontrolled community spread" is over here. It's probably worse now than at any time during the 15 months I was remote. And with the efficacy of the vaccine being possibly less than 50% I hope they approve this request.
I doubt it's worse now. I live in a place where we've had a pretty bad experience, and the highest deaths were 238 (for my city) in Dec, with the second worse 191 on May 13, 2020. Current deaths are at 1. I think the media isn't accurately reporting what is really going on.
See what happens in a couple weeks when the seeds planted by Lalapolooza in Chicago germinate.
Isn't the Sturgis (sp?) motorcycle rally happening soon in SD too? I believe that is the one that was considered a big spreader last year. Oh dear, here we go again.
Yeah Sturgis is coming up. Lalapolooza probably more of a spreader IMO, maybe half the attendees of Sturgis but it's in the central downtown area of Chicago, lot of people using public transit to get there, attendees more concentrated. Sturgis in the middle of nowhere, virtually all private vehicles to get there, more spread out.6 -
My large US company paused the return to the office that started July 6th and said anyone that can work remotely should.13
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »Delta is exploding here in my county. I feel a little angry that I have to "ask" but I just sent a note in to my manager requesting to work remote until the "uncontrolled community spread" is over here. It's probably worse now than at any time during the 15 months I was remote. And with the efficacy of the vaccine being possibly less than 50% I hope they approve this request.
I doubt it's worse now. I live in a place where we've had a pretty bad experience, and the highest deaths were 238 (for my city) in Dec, with the second worse 191 on May 13, 2020. Current deaths are at 1. I think the media isn't accurately reporting what is really going on.
See what happens in a couple weeks when the seeds planted by Lalapolooza in Chicago germinate.
Yeah, admittedly I've been worried about that. They should have at least required everyone to be vaxxed (I understand why they didn't want to cancel it). Apparently those attending were mostly ignoring the rules that require everyone on public transit to be masked (previously, I've found most on the brown line and buses where I am had been following the rules).7 -
I'm finding it - interesting - that my workplace has not gone to remote work for those of us who have no "real" reason to be in the office, especially as they've had to shut down a couple of our offices (some multiple times) for deep cleaning after someone came in with covid (not on purpose). Many of our jobs don't really require us to keep a chair warm.....shoot, in my case, the office I primarily work with is in FL (I'm in GA), and my boss is in AZ - like, um, why do I really have to be there (besides the fact that the gas and 1 1/2 hours of commute time sure would be nice to have back!).15
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HoneyBadger302 wrote: »I'm finding it - interesting - that my workplace has not gone to remote work for those of us who have no "real" reason to be in the office, especially as they've had to shut down a couple of our offices (some multiple times) for deep cleaning after someone came in with covid (not on purpose). Many of our jobs don't really require us to keep a chair warm.....shoot, in my case, the office I primarily work with is in FL (I'm in GA), and my boss is in AZ - like, um, why do I really have to be there (besides the fact that the gas and 1 1/2 hours of commute time sure would be nice to have back!).
Unfortunately, a lot of management folks are obsessed with the idea that "corporate culture" is of the highest priority. If people aren't here, how can we all feel like a team? They also tend to be extroverts, so they assume all their workers are energized by an office full of people like they are. And some are untrusting, they can't help but thinking we're somehow getting something for free off them if we aren't in a professional setting.
Not saying being physically present doesn't have its advantages, but management types IMHO tend to over-prioritize it even when WFH has been working fine.
As an introvert with an administrative job that doesn't require much if any teamwork, the transition back to the office has been really stressful, more so now that the covid numbers are headed in the wrong direction again. And the reason why we're back in the office? "Because we decided this is what's best."
Filling up the gas tank again is the worst, isn't it? That wiggle room in my budget was really nice to have
Maybe they'll come around soon... 14 -
While my Long Covid seems to be better KY like most of USA is red hot with Delta. Local FB posts are mainly about standing up for your Constitutional Right to refuse the vaccine shots. Yesterday a doctor at a large regional hospital made a long post stating they would do their best but it was starting to go south for non vaccinated patients showing up now.
It is like so many fear possible vaccine side effects more than the real threat even dying from the Delta varient near term.15 -
MediCare authorized NPs to continue doing virtual hospice face-to-face visits, rather than in person, through November 2021. I miss seeing patients, but I'm relieved. So many of our nursing homes have active COIVD cases again. So sad.11
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »Delta is exploding here in my county. I feel a little angry that I have to "ask" but I just sent a note in to my manager requesting to work remote until the "uncontrolled community spread" is over here. It's probably worse now than at any time during the 15 months I was remote. And with the efficacy of the vaccine being possibly less than 50% I hope they approve this request.
I doubt it's worse now. I live in a place where we've had a pretty bad experience, and the highest deaths were 238 (for my city) in Dec, with the second worse 191 on May 13, 2020. Current deaths are at 1. I think the media isn't accurately reporting what is really going on.
See what happens in a couple weeks when the seeds planted by Lalapolooza in Chicago germinate.
Yeah, admittedly I've been worried about that. They should have at least required everyone to be vaxxed (I understand why they didn't want to cancel it). Apparently those attending were mostly ignoring the rules that require everyone on public transit to be masked (previously, I've found most on the brown line and buses where I am had been following the rules).
Think it would have been virtually impossible to check that many people at an area that really isn't designed as a concert venue.2 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »Delta is exploding here in my county. I feel a little angry that I have to "ask" but I just sent a note in to my manager requesting to work remote until the "uncontrolled community spread" is over here. It's probably worse now than at any time during the 15 months I was remote. And with the efficacy of the vaccine being possibly less than 50% I hope they approve this request.
I doubt it's worse now. I live in a place where we've had a pretty bad experience, and the highest deaths were 238 (for my city) in Dec, with the second worse 191 on May 13, 2020. Current deaths are at 1. I think the media isn't accurately reporting what is really going on.
See what happens in a couple weeks when the seeds planted by Lalapolooza in Chicago germinate.
Yeah, admittedly I've been worried about that. They should have at least required everyone to be vaxxed (I understand why they didn't want to cancel it). Apparently those attending were mostly ignoring the rules that require everyone on public transit to be masked (previously, I've found most on the brown line and buses where I am had been following the rules).
Think it would have been virtually impossible to check that many people at an area that really isn't designed as a concert venue.
Lolla concert-goers were required to show either proof of vaccination or a negative Covid test within 3 days prior.
https://support.lollapalooza.com/hc/en-us/articles/4403048984852-Covid-19-Health-Policy-and-Lollapalooza-Entry-Requirements5 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »Delta is exploding here in my county. I feel a little angry that I have to "ask" but I just sent a note in to my manager requesting to work remote until the "uncontrolled community spread" is over here. It's probably worse now than at any time during the 15 months I was remote. And with the efficacy of the vaccine being possibly less than 50% I hope they approve this request.
I doubt it's worse now. I live in a place where we've had a pretty bad experience, and the highest deaths were 238 (for my city) in Dec, with the second worse 191 on May 13, 2020. Current deaths are at 1. I think the media isn't accurately reporting what is really going on.
See what happens in a couple weeks when the seeds planted by Lalapolooza in Chicago germinate.
Yeah, admittedly I've been worried about that. They should have at least required everyone to be vaxxed (I understand why they didn't want to cancel it). Apparently those attending were mostly ignoring the rules that require everyone on public transit to be masked (previously, I've found most on the brown line and buses where I am had been following the rules).
Think it would have been virtually impossible to check that many people at an area that really isn't designed as a concert venue.
Lolla concert-goers were required to show either proof of vaccination or a negative Covid test within 3 days prior.
https://support.lollapalooza.com/hc/en-us/articles/4403048984852-Covid-19-Health-Policy-and-Lollapalooza-Entry-Requirements
Interesting, can't imagine a fair number didn't slip by.1 -
HawkingRadiation wrote: »I’ve not seen any statistics showing which shot people with breakthrough cases got. It seems like that would be an interesting statistic.
If anyone has seen the breakdown, please post.
I don't know if somebody (CDC??) is keeping track of which vaccine has the most break-thru cases, or if testing centers ask for the name of the vaccine that a person received. It would be interesting to know.
I was reading online (Mr. Google to the rescue) that breakthrough cases may be under counted and underestimated since not all vaccinated people feeling sick or "thinking" that they got covid seek testing. Some just quarantine themselves for few days. In addition, some vaccinated people that might have been infected with the new variant could be totally un-symptomatic, but still able to spread the virus. That is why masks are still needed.
I agree. My dh was sick last week with a bad cold; I'm guessing but we had no proof. When he called the dr. they told him not to worry about getting tested because he had Covid back in November and was vaccinated in March/April. They only asked if he was running a fever. With all the breakthrough infections going on of vaccinated people.....I didn't agree with his dr. at all.
Our numbers are low but are they really, if people aren't getting tested the way they were?
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Our numbers are low but are they really, if people aren't getting tested the way they were?
Hard not to get "political". I think we've heard me rant about a certain province and about the "feeling" that once we've been vaccinated we're good to go hug everyone without masks or restrictions and no matter what.
Up to now I haven't encouraged my dad to move out of "that" province because a) he has built his life and support network there and because b) I've felt that him moving to a congregate facility currently represents a risk that he can/could still afford to avoid by remaining home alone c) I was hoping that things would improve so that he could move to an independent living facility near his current location so as to retain contact with people he knows
With the decision to hide our head in the sand and avoid further testing (as of the end of August testing in Alberta will only be available when your doctor feels that testing you for COVID is relevant in terms of providing care to you), and with the general anti-masking attitude in the province (here's looking at you Superstore employees not wearing masks... oh, sorry, I'm not looking, because I'm shopping at Walmart where they do wear them)... anyway, I am seriously considering whether it is time to start arguing for him to move to an independent living facility in another province where we still consider masking indoors to be appropriate and closer to where I live.9 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »Delta is exploding here in my county. I feel a little angry that I have to "ask" but I just sent a note in to my manager requesting to work remote until the "uncontrolled community spread" is over here. It's probably worse now than at any time during the 15 months I was remote. And with the efficacy of the vaccine being possibly less than 50% I hope they approve this request.
I doubt it's worse now. I live in a place where we've had a pretty bad experience, and the highest deaths were 238 (for my city) in Dec, with the second worse 191 on May 13, 2020. Current deaths are at 1. I think the media isn't accurately reporting what is really going on.
See what happens in a couple weeks when the seeds planted by Lalapolooza in Chicago germinate.
Yeah, admittedly I've been worried about that. They should have at least required everyone to be vaxxed (I understand why they didn't want to cancel it). Apparently those attending were mostly ignoring the rules that require everyone on public transit to be masked (previously, I've found most on the brown line and buses where I am had been following the rules).
Think it would have been virtually impossible to check that many people at an area that really isn't designed as a concert venue.
They were checking. You just also could have a negative test (w/in 72 hours).2 -
HawkingRadiation wrote: »I’ve not seen any statistics showing which shot people with breakthrough cases got. It seems like that would be an interesting statistic.
If anyone has seen the breakdown, please post.
I don't know if somebody (CDC??) is keeping track of which vaccine has the most break-thru cases, or if testing centers ask for the name of the vaccine that a person received. It would be interesting to know.
I was reading online (Mr. Google to the rescue) that breakthrough cases may be under counted and underestimated since not all vaccinated people feeling sick or "thinking" that they got covid seek testing. Some just quarantine themselves for few days. In addition, some vaccinated people that might have been infected with the new variant could be totally un-symptomatic, but still able to spread the virus. That is why masks are still needed.
I agree. My dh was sick last week with a bad cold; I'm guessing but we had no proof. When he called the dr. they told him not to worry about getting tested because he had Covid back in November and was vaccinated in March/April. They only asked if he was running a fever. With all the breakthrough infections going on of vaccinated people.....I didn't agree with his dr. at all.
Our numbers are low but are they really, if people aren't getting tested the way they were?
The way to keep an eye on that is the positivity rate. When I checked a couple of days ago NH had a low positivity rate, so it appears people are getting tested or at least that the low numbers aren't simply due to low tests.4 -
Our numbers are low but are they really, if people aren't getting tested the way they were?
Hard not to get "political". I think we've heard me rant about a certain province and about the "feeling" that once we've been vaccinated we're good to go hug everyone without masks or restrictions and no matter what.
Up to now I haven't encouraged my dad to move out of "that" province because a) he has built his life and support network there and because b) I've felt that him moving to a congregate facility currently represents a risk that he can/could still afford to avoid by remaining home alone c) I was hoping that things would improve so that he could move to an independent living facility near his current location so as to retain contact with people he knows
With the decision to hide our head in the sand and avoid further testing (as of the end of August testing in Alberta will only be available when your doctor feels that testing you for COVID is relevant in terms of providing care to you), and with the general anti-masking attitude in the province (here's looking at you Superstore employees not wearing masks... oh, sorry, I'm not looking, because I'm shopping at Walmart where they do wear them)... anyway, I am seriously considering whether it is time to start arguing for him to move to an independent living facility in another province where we still consider masking indoors to be appropriate and closer to where I live.
Taking away his support system might do more harm than the risk of him getting Covid right now, especially if he is vaccinated and living alone. A lot of older people who are moved far from home end up not lasting long because they feel so cut off from all they knew.7 -
Our numbers are low but are they really, if people aren't getting tested the way they were?
Hard not to get "political". I think we've heard me rant about a certain province and about the "feeling" that once we've been vaccinated we're good to go hug everyone without masks or restrictions and no matter what.
Up to now I haven't encouraged my dad to move out of "that" province because a) he has built his life and support network there and because b) I've felt that him moving to a congregate facility currently represents a risk that he can/could still afford to avoid by remaining home alone c) I was hoping that things would improve so that he could move to an independent living facility near his current location so as to retain contact with people he knows
With the decision to hide our head in the sand and avoid further testing (as of the end of August testing in Alberta will only be available when your doctor feels that testing you for COVID is relevant in terms of providing care to you), and with the general anti-masking attitude in the province (here's looking at you Superstore employees not wearing masks... oh, sorry, I'm not looking, because I'm shopping at Walmart where they do wear them)... anyway, I am seriously considering whether it is time to start arguing for him to move to an independent living facility in another province where we still consider masking indoors to be appropriate and closer to where I live.
Throughout all of this I have been incredibly thankful that my frail, mobility-impaired 82 year old father has continued to live independently in his own home, even though it has meant an extra house for me to maintain. At least he's been safe.
I don't know if you have Chartwell homes there, or if his budget can accommodate the price tag, but they fared very well locally. Not a single outbreak.5 -
HawkingRadiation wrote: »I’ve not seen any statistics showing which shot people with breakthrough cases got. It seems like that would be an interesting statistic.
If anyone has seen the breakdown, please post.
I don't know if somebody (CDC??) is keeping track of which vaccine has the most break-thru cases, or if testing centers ask for the name of the vaccine that a person received. It would be interesting to know.
I was reading online (Mr. Google to the rescue) that breakthrough cases may be under counted and underestimated since not all vaccinated people feeling sick or "thinking" that they got covid seek testing. Some just quarantine themselves for few days. In addition, some vaccinated people that might have been infected with the new variant could be totally un-symptomatic, but still able to spread the virus. That is why masks are still needed.
I agree. My dh was sick last week with a bad cold; I'm guessing but we had no proof. When he called the dr. they told him not to worry about getting tested because he had Covid back in November and was vaccinated in March/April. They only asked if he was running a fever. With all the breakthrough infections going on of vaccinated people.....I didn't agree with his dr. at all.
Our numbers are low but are they really, if people aren't getting tested the way they were?
That's especially worrisome because the main symptoms of the delta variant are headache, runny nose, sore throat... just like a very bad cold.7 -
HawkingRadiation wrote: »I’ve not seen any statistics showing which shot people with breakthrough cases got. It seems like that would be an interesting statistic.
If anyone has seen the breakdown, please post.
I don't know if somebody (CDC??) is keeping track of which vaccine has the most break-thru cases, or if testing centers ask for the name of the vaccine that a person received. It would be interesting to know.
I was reading online (Mr. Google to the rescue) that breakthrough cases may be under counted and underestimated since not all vaccinated people feeling sick or "thinking" that they got covid seek testing. Some just quarantine themselves for few days. In addition, some vaccinated people that might have been infected with the new variant could be totally un-symptomatic, but still able to spread the virus. That is why masks are still needed.
I agree. My dh was sick last week with a bad cold; I'm guessing but we had no proof. When he called the dr. they told him not to worry about getting tested because he had Covid back in November and was vaccinated in March/April. They only asked if he was running a fever. With all the breakthrough infections going on of vaccinated people.....I didn't agree with his dr. at all.
Our numbers are low but are they really, if people aren't getting tested the way they were?
Could go ahead and get tested. My mom and several people in the same house have had a bad cold lately. She had Covid August 2020 and was vaccinated earlier this year. If not for negative tests, I would have guessed Covid again. But people still do get other respiratory infections.10 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »HawkingRadiation wrote: »I’ve not seen any statistics showing which shot people with breakthrough cases got. It seems like that would be an interesting statistic.
If anyone has seen the breakdown, please post.
I don't know if somebody (CDC??) is keeping track of which vaccine has the most break-thru cases, or if testing centers ask for the name of the vaccine that a person received. It would be interesting to know.
I was reading online (Mr. Google to the rescue) that breakthrough cases may be under counted and underestimated since not all vaccinated people feeling sick or "thinking" that they got covid seek testing. Some just quarantine themselves for few days. In addition, some vaccinated people that might have been infected with the new variant could be totally un-symptomatic, but still able to spread the virus. That is why masks are still needed.
I agree. My dh was sick last week with a bad cold; I'm guessing but we had no proof. When he called the dr. they told him not to worry about getting tested because he had Covid back in November and was vaccinated in March/April. They only asked if he was running a fever. With all the breakthrough infections going on of vaccinated people.....I didn't agree with his dr. at all.
Our numbers are low but are they really, if people aren't getting tested the way they were?
Could go ahead and get tested. My mom and several people in the same house have had a bad cold lately. She had Covid August 2020 and was vaccinated earlier this year. If not for negative tests, I would have guessed Covid again. But people still do get other respiratory infections.
He's fine now. But it still baffles me why they didn't at least give him the option. He probably could've pushed a test for himself but he's one of those people that a) believe everything his dr. tells him and b) is lazy. They told him people are getting bad colds in our area so he went with that. 
But then how would they know if they're all bad colds and not Covid if they're not still pushing the tests?
He feels justified by his drs. decision because he didn't have a fever and didn't lose his sense of taste or smell. I reminded him that back when we contracted it in November, my only symptom was fatigue and I was tested because he'd had a "cold" and got tested. I cannot remember if he had a fever then or not.
They're getting lax with the testing. SMH
And to @lokihen, I agree with you.10 -
That's especially worrisome because the main symptoms of the delta variant are headache, runny nose, sore throat... just like a very bad cold.
Or in my case, just like whenever my allergies act up OR I get too run down. Seriously, I think I have those symptoms every other week on average, if not weekly.8 -
That's especially worrisome because the main symptoms of the delta variant are headache, runny nose, sore throat... just like a very bad cold.
Or in my case, just like whenever my allergies act up OR I get too run down. Seriously, I think I have those symptoms every other week on average, if not weekly.
I used to think I was getting colds all the time but it turned out the building I worked in had toxic mold from a flood that was not remediated properly.7 -
Our numbers are low but are they really, if people aren't getting tested the way they were?
Hard not to get "political". I think we've heard me rant about a certain province and about the "feeling" that once we've been vaccinated we're good to go hug everyone without masks or restrictions and no matter what.
Up to now I haven't encouraged my dad to move out of "that" province because a) he has built his life and support network there and because b) I've felt that him moving to a congregate facility currently represents a risk that he can/could still afford to avoid by remaining home alone c) I was hoping that things would improve so that he could move to an independent living facility near his current location so as to retain contact with people he knows
With the decision to hide our head in the sand and avoid further testing (as of the end of August testing in Alberta will only be available when your doctor feels that testing you for COVID is relevant in terms of providing care to you), and with the general anti-masking attitude in the province (here's looking at you Superstore employees not wearing masks... oh, sorry, I'm not looking, because I'm shopping at Walmart where they do wear them)... anyway, I am seriously considering whether it is time to start arguing for him to move to an independent living facility in another province where we still consider masking indoors to be appropriate and closer to where I live.
Throughout all of this I have been incredibly thankful that my frail, mobility-impaired 82 year old father has continued to live independently in his own home, even though it has meant an extra house for me to maintain. At least he's been safe.
I don't know if you have Chartwell homes there, or if his budget can accommodate the price tag, but they fared very well locally. Not a single outbreak.
You heard a lot about how bad the homes were - but my mom lives in a Chartwell retirement home that had an "outbreak" in Dec/Jan before they were vaccinated. Three people tested positive, all staff, not one resident got infected. (But yeah it costs me almost $5000 a month.)4 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »HawkingRadiation wrote: »I’ve not seen any statistics showing which shot people with breakthrough cases got. It seems like that would be an interesting statistic.
If anyone has seen the breakdown, please post.
I don't know if somebody (CDC??) is keeping track of which vaccine has the most break-thru cases, or if testing centers ask for the name of the vaccine that a person received. It would be interesting to know.
I was reading online (Mr. Google to the rescue) that breakthrough cases may be under counted and underestimated since not all vaccinated people feeling sick or "thinking" that they got covid seek testing. Some just quarantine themselves for few days. In addition, some vaccinated people that might have been infected with the new variant could be totally un-symptomatic, but still able to spread the virus. That is why masks are still needed.
I agree. My dh was sick last week with a bad cold; I'm guessing but we had no proof. When he called the dr. they told him not to worry about getting tested because he had Covid back in November and was vaccinated in March/April. They only asked if he was running a fever. With all the breakthrough infections going on of vaccinated people.....I didn't agree with his dr. at all.
Our numbers are low but are they really, if people aren't getting tested the way they were?
Could go ahead and get tested. My mom and several people in the same house have had a bad cold lately. She had Covid August 2020 and was vaccinated earlier this year. If not for negative tests, I would have guessed Covid again. But people still do get other respiratory infections.
He's fine now. But it still baffles me why they didn't at least give him the option. He probably could've pushed a test for himself but he's one of those people that a) believe everything his dr. tells him and b) is lazy. They told him people are getting bad colds in our area so he went with that. But then how would they know if they're all bad colds and not Covid if they're not still pushing the tests?
He feels justified by his drs. decision because he didn't have a fever and didn't lose his sense of taste or smell. I reminded him that back when we contracted it in November, my only symptom was fatigue and I was tested because he'd had a "cold" and got tested. I cannot remember if he had a fever then or not.
They're getting lax with the testing. SMH
And to @lokihen, I agree with you.
But if it is Covid, which with vaccination is generally equivalent to a bad cold, then what is the point of testing to confirm that? At some point we move on from the pandemic "panic" stage of this, to the endemic stage - where yes, people are still going to get Covid, even with the vaccine, and they are going to recover without treatment in the vast majority of cases.
I read recently that the Delta variant is as contagious as chicken pox, if that is the case then we are not going to eradicate it by testing and isolating people indefinitely. The only way through this now is to vaccinate as many as possible so that it doesn't cause mass severe illness and death. The messaging that we are somehow going to "beat" Covid by eradicating it from the population through lockdowns, testing and isolation is outdated. It isn't going to happen.16 -
Looking into Chartwell, thank you for the tip.
There are several in a circle around my home location and also some in Edmonton and Calgary but none in a three hour radius from dad's current location...
I don't believe any of the three we checked out near dad actually got outbreaks; but they were extensively locked down with visitors banned.
I know that near home at least three of the places we looked at and were considering had outbreaks and at least one death each.0 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »HawkingRadiation wrote: »I’ve not seen any statistics showing which shot people with breakthrough cases got. It seems like that would be an interesting statistic.
If anyone has seen the breakdown, please post.
I don't know if somebody (CDC??) is keeping track of which vaccine has the most break-thru cases, or if testing centers ask for the name of the vaccine that a person received. It would be interesting to know.
I was reading online (Mr. Google to the rescue) that breakthrough cases may be under counted and underestimated since not all vaccinated people feeling sick or "thinking" that they got covid seek testing. Some just quarantine themselves for few days. In addition, some vaccinated people that might have been infected with the new variant could be totally un-symptomatic, but still able to spread the virus. That is why masks are still needed.
I agree. My dh was sick last week with a bad cold; I'm guessing but we had no proof. When he called the dr. they told him not to worry about getting tested because he had Covid back in November and was vaccinated in March/April. They only asked if he was running a fever. With all the breakthrough infections going on of vaccinated people.....I didn't agree with his dr. at all.
Our numbers are low but are they really, if people aren't getting tested the way they were?
Could go ahead and get tested. My mom and several people in the same house have had a bad cold lately. She had Covid August 2020 and was vaccinated earlier this year. If not for negative tests, I would have guessed Covid again. But people still do get other respiratory infections.
He's fine now. But it still baffles me why they didn't at least give him the option. He probably could've pushed a test for himself but he's one of those people that a) believe everything his dr. tells him and b) is lazy. They told him people are getting bad colds in our area so he went with that. But then how would they know if they're all bad colds and not Covid if they're not still pushing the tests?
He feels justified by his drs. decision because he didn't have a fever and didn't lose his sense of taste or smell. I reminded him that back when we contracted it in November, my only symptom was fatigue and I was tested because he'd had a "cold" and got tested. I cannot remember if he had a fever then or not.
They're getting lax with the testing. SMH
And to @lokihen, I agree with you.
But if it is Covid, which with vaccination is generally equivalent to a bad cold, then what is the point of testing to confirm that? At some point we move on from the pandemic "panic" stage of this, to the endemic stage - where yes, people are still going to get Covid, even with the vaccine, and they are going to recover without treatment in the vast majority of cases.
I read recently that the Delta variant is as contagious as chicken pox, if that is the case then we are not going to eradicate it by testing and isolating people indefinitely. The only way through this now is to vaccinate as many as possible so that it doesn't cause mass severe illness and death. The messaging that we are somehow going to "beat" Covid by eradicating it from the population through lockdowns, testing and isolation is outdated. It isn't going to happen.
1) So the infected person knows that he needs to quarantine and protect vulnerable people
2) To give public health officials relevant data to understand local risk factors, possible spreader events and long term vaccine efficacy metrics.23 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »HawkingRadiation wrote: »I’ve not seen any statistics showing which shot people with breakthrough cases got. It seems like that would be an interesting statistic.
If anyone has seen the breakdown, please post.
I don't know if somebody (CDC??) is keeping track of which vaccine has the most break-thru cases, or if testing centers ask for the name of the vaccine that a person received. It would be interesting to know.
I was reading online (Mr. Google to the rescue) that breakthrough cases may be under counted and underestimated since not all vaccinated people feeling sick or "thinking" that they got covid seek testing. Some just quarantine themselves for few days. In addition, some vaccinated people that might have been infected with the new variant could be totally un-symptomatic, but still able to spread the virus. That is why masks are still needed.
I agree. My dh was sick last week with a bad cold; I'm guessing but we had no proof. When he called the dr. they told him not to worry about getting tested because he had Covid back in November and was vaccinated in March/April. They only asked if he was running a fever. With all the breakthrough infections going on of vaccinated people.....I didn't agree with his dr. at all.
Our numbers are low but are they really, if people aren't getting tested the way they were?
Could go ahead and get tested. My mom and several people in the same house have had a bad cold lately. She had Covid August 2020 and was vaccinated earlier this year. If not for negative tests, I would have guessed Covid again. But people still do get other respiratory infections.
He's fine now. But it still baffles me why they didn't at least give him the option. He probably could've pushed a test for himself but he's one of those people that a) believe everything his dr. tells him and b) is lazy. They told him people are getting bad colds in our area so he went with that. But then how would they know if they're all bad colds and not Covid if they're not still pushing the tests?
He feels justified by his drs. decision because he didn't have a fever and didn't lose his sense of taste or smell. I reminded him that back when we contracted it in November, my only symptom was fatigue and I was tested because he'd had a "cold" and got tested. I cannot remember if he had a fever then or not.
They're getting lax with the testing. SMH
And to @lokihen, I agree with you.
But if it is Covid, which with vaccination is generally equivalent to a bad cold, then what is the point of testing to confirm that? At some point we move on from the pandemic "panic" stage of this, to the endemic stage - where yes, people are still going to get Covid, even with the vaccine, and they are going to recover without treatment in the vast majority of cases.
I read recently that the Delta variant is as contagious as chicken pox, if that is the case then we are not going to eradicate it by testing and isolating people indefinitely. The only way through this now is to vaccinate as many as possible so that it doesn't cause mass severe illness and death. The messaging that we are somehow going to "beat" Covid by eradicating it from the population through lockdowns, testing and isolation is outdated. It isn't going to happen.
I can only answer that personally: With suspicious mild symptoms recently, I chose to be tested. (Here, it was easy, besides.) If I had a cold or allergies - despite my symptoms being a bit off for those based on past experience - then the annoyance of keeping to myself while waiting for test results was minor. (I recognize that that might not be true for others.) If I had Covid, and was therefore capable of spreading it to others, and did spread it, that would devastate me psychologically, let alone what could happen to those others.
I think multiple strategies need to stay in play, not just one. Yes, I agree that vaccination is at the top of the list, it's just not the whole list.19 -
sooo my older grandaughter 15 years old has covid and she was at our home on last wednesday visiting. Her older brother and his girlfriend got it too. My two younger grandaughters 6 and 2 years were here also that day. Hope they dont get it too. And we had just started seeing them June of this year since march 2020. Ughhh hubs and I got tested today to make sure we dont have this. Praying for all who get this virus21
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I think it is SUPER important to remember that not everyone is vaccinated, and we don't yet know how long vaccine or illness acquired protection lasts. No children under 12 are vaccinated yet. Those taking immuno suppressive medications don't yet know if the vaccine is actually protecting them or not. Those who are protected don't yet know if or when they'll need a booster. Researchers don't yet know if folks who got covid are protected enough for any period of time.
Until those issues are squared away, you can't just say oh well we did the best we could, everyone's gonna get it eventually anyway, and stop trying to contain it. Unless we're ok with another million or so Americans dying of it this year, and far more children than I can stomach.
Plus, the pandemic is international. There are still large areas of the world where tons of people haven't had the opportunity to get vaxxed yet. We are so tragically spoiled here. Viruses don't stop at national borders.
Tracking breakthrough cases would help researchers understand how well the vaccines are working. Maybe they can be tweaked. Maybe those asymptomatic cases are causing unseen damage. Maybe one brand of vaccine is better at preventing infection than the other.
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The unvaxxed in our office were given a stern warning that masks are mandatory. We'll see how long that last.18
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