Coronavirus prep
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GaleHawkins wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are well stocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Wait, what? Did I fall asleep and miss a year again?
Now that you realize you're a year behind you can move twice as fast to catch up. :-)
So that's double calories burned and more ice cream for me, right?
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are well stocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Wait, what? Did I fall asleep and miss a year again?
Yes, yes you did, Rumpelstiltskin.
Or maybe it's the Freudian way of letting us know we probably want to skip right past 2022 also.
I'm so afraid you're right.3 -
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MargaretYakoda wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are welstocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Huh...I didn't realize that vaccine resistance continues to be such a problem worldwide.
Yes and the reason among health care workers is in part due to the lack scientific data where the net value of COVID-19 vaccines will positive or negative for our health over the next 50-75 years.
In my case before my first Moderna vaccine shot the Covid-19 blood clots side effects almost ended my life.
If I am bitten by a deadly poisonous snake I hope someone breaks the speed limit trying to get me to a place where I can get a shot. I realize that would put me and the others at risk of dying in a car accident but a potential death is easier deal with mentally than a certain death.
Medically I understand long term Covid-19 vaccinations may harm me and shorten my life expectancy. Yet just getting COVID-19 may cause the same risk.
Being 70 and the kids being 24 I wouldn't want to be tying up a ventilator that might save a young person's life.
COVID-19 vaccines I know help manage this Pandemic in the short run so to hades with the long term What Ifs!
https://youtu.be/-SYL-iU0E9Q
This is some new research to me.
This Dr is spreading misinformation.
Are you trying to say the study is bad, or his commentary on the research?
You can do better than just throwing out an ad hominem2 -
My imagined concern is another comparative. In cats, there is a feline coronavirus that is commonly caught. It manifests in the cat like a cold or the like. The cat recovers, but the virus lays dormant in the cat for life. What I recall is that stressors to the animal (aging, rehoming, other illnesses, etc) promote mutations in the virus. Certain mutations do not impact the animal a go undetected, but other mutations manifest as FIP which is essentially a fatal condition for the animal. I am sure there are much better explanations out there, but you can get the general idea. I am hoping that this COVID-19 virus does not share this trait.3 -
How weird to only come upon and read this thread now!
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MargaretYakoda wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are welstocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Huh...I didn't realize that vaccine resistance continues to be such a problem worldwide.
Yes and the reason among health care workers is in part due to the lack scientific data where the net value of COVID-19 vaccines will positive or negative for our health over the next 50-75 years.
In my case before my first Moderna vaccine shot the Covid-19 blood clots side effects almost ended my life.
If I am bitten by a deadly poisonous snake I hope someone breaks the speed limit trying to get me to a place where I can get a shot. I realize that would put me and the others at risk of dying in a car accident but a potential death is easier deal with mentally than a certain death.
Medically I understand long term Covid-19 vaccinations may harm me and shorten my life expectancy. Yet just getting COVID-19 may cause the same risk.
Being 70 and the kids being 24 I wouldn't want to be tying up a ventilator that might save a young person's life.
COVID-19 vaccines I know help manage this Pandemic in the short run so to hades with the long term What Ifs!https://youtu.be/-SYL-iU0E9Q
This is some new research to me.
This Dr is spreading misinformation.
Are you trying to say the study is bad, or his commentary on the research?
I tried to listen to some of the video and read the paper. The paper is published in a journal run by a controversial publisher that has been criticized for shoddy peer review and predatory means of getting both studies and reviews, as well as far too many after-publishing corrections and retractions. The study is in vitro, and draws some pretty controversial conclusions. I couldn't really follow it, not sure if that's just my own lack of knowledge or an issue with the paper. I would want an active and experienced expert to explain it to me, if it's worthy of paying any attention to.
The you tuber has no discernible background in virology, immunology, or infectious disease, hasn't as far as I can tell practiced medicine in years and has no business taking an in vitro study just published by a controversial web site and "explaining" it to the general public as possibly showing that the vaccines may be harming people while presenting himself as a "doctor".18 -
My imagined concern is another comparative. In cats, there is a feline coronavirus that is commonly caught. It manifests in the cat like a cold or the like. The cat recovers, but the virus lays dormant in the cat for life. What I recall is that stressors to the animal (aging, rehoming, other illnesses, etc) promote mutations in the virus. Certain mutations do not impact the animal a go undetected, but other mutations manifest as FIP which is essentially a fatal condition for the animal. I am sure there are much better explanations out there, but you can get the general idea. I am hoping that this COVID-19 virus does not share this trait.
I think there's good news and bad news. There are lots of coronaviruses and it sounds to this layperson like they don't all behave the same, so it's just as likely 19 will be like the common cold, or not like any of them at all, as that.
BUT, they've mentioned on TWIV that there are a lot of animal species that seem able to get infected with covid-19 and this does "possibly" mean that it can hide in other species and re-emerge in the future. It's why they don't think we'll be able to eradicate it, I guess all the viruses we've eradicated were only ever found in humans.
If it helps, I've noticed the TWIV podcasts seem to be assuming that we are on the tail end of this thing. They were just poking fun at a NYT article that quoted a cardiologist who said we'll be masking for the rest of our lives. They wondered why anyone would ask a cardiologist about a pandemic and said it was a ridiculous thing to say. Obviously they are not perfect, but listening to experts who have seen other virus outbreaks and who work with viruses all the time, who are confident in our progress, is reassuring for me!11 -
MargaretYakoda wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are welstocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Huh...I didn't realize that vaccine resistance continues to be such a problem worldwide.
Yes and the reason among health care workers is in part due to the lack scientific data where the net value of COVID-19 vaccines will positive or negative for our health over the next 50-75 years.
In my case before my first Moderna vaccine shot the Covid-19 blood clots side effects almost ended my life.
If I am bitten by a deadly poisonous snake I hope someone breaks the speed limit trying to get me to a place where I can get a shot. I realize that would put me and the others at risk of dying in a car accident but a potential death is easier deal with mentally than a certain death.
Medically I understand long term Covid-19 vaccinations may harm me and shorten my life expectancy. Yet just getting COVID-19 may cause the same risk.
Being 70 and the kids being 24 I wouldn't want to be tying up a ventilator that might save a young person's life.
COVID-19 vaccines I know help manage this Pandemic in the short run so to hades with the long term What Ifs!https://youtu.be/-SYL-iU0E9Q
This is some new research to me.
This Dr is spreading misinformation.
Are you trying to say the study is bad, or his commentary on the research?
I tried to listen to some of the video and read the paper. The paper is published in a journal run by a controversial publisher that has been criticized for shoddy peer review and predatory means of getting both studies and reviews, as well as far too many after-publishing corrections and retractions. The study is in vitro, and draws some pretty controversial conclusions. I couldn't really follow it, not sure if that's just my own lack of knowledge or an issue with the paper. I would want an active and experienced expert to explain it to me, if it's worthy of paying any attention to.
The you tuber has no discernible background in virology, immunology, or infectious disease, hasn't as far as I can tell practiced medicine in years and has no business taking an in vitro study just published by a controversial web site and "explaining" it to the general public as possibly showing that the vaccines may be harming people while presenting himself as a "doctor".
Thanks for this answer. I didn’t have the spoons to go into any depth.
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Bad news from across the pond - Europe becomes COVID-19 epicenter again; world deaths down 5%Europe is once again at the epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic, fueled by daily record deaths and cases in Russia, and surges in Ukraine, Poland and Germany.
The continent was the only one to post one-week increases: in deaths at 10% and cases at 9%.
Worldwide, cases increased 2% with 250,543,185 so far Sunday but deaths declined 5% with the toll 5,063,724, according to tracking by Worldometers.info.
Here's an interesting Korean study on how social distancing and mandatory masks reduced spread on mass transit. I'm glad we still have a mask mandate in my city.
Safe traveling in public transport amid COVID-19
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Our little old state which used to be a forerunner in getting vaccinated, least infected, less deaths due to Covid, etc., etc., is now rising in Covid infections and deaths, etc.
People are not masking or staying home anymore, all those plastic thingies separating customers from cashiers are now gone. Disinfecting shopping carts? Pbbst. Keeping 6 ft. apart? Pbbst. People are assuming, just because they're vaccinated, the virus won't touch them. OR the people they touch.
People have either become too complacent or are assuming too much.16 -
MargaretYakoda wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are welstocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Huh...I didn't realize that vaccine resistance continues to be such a problem worldwide.
Yes and the reason among health care workers is in part due to the lack scientific data where the net value of COVID-19 vaccines will positive or negative for our health over the next 50-75 years.
In my case before my first Moderna vaccine shot the Covid-19 blood clots side effects almost ended my life.
If I am bitten by a deadly poisonous snake I hope someone breaks the speed limit trying to get me to a place where I can get a shot. I realize that would put me and the others at risk of dying in a car accident but a potential death is easier deal with mentally than a certain death.
Medically I understand long term Covid-19 vaccinations may harm me and shorten my life expectancy. Yet just getting COVID-19 may cause the same risk.
Being 70 and the kids being 24 I wouldn't want to be tying up a ventilator that might save a young person's life.
COVID-19 vaccines I know help manage this Pandemic in the short run so to hades with the long term What Ifs!https://youtu.be/-SYL-iU0E9Q
This is some new research to me.
This Dr is spreading misinformation.
Are you trying to say the study is bad, or his commentary on the research?
I tried to listen to some of the video and read the paper. The paper is published in a journal run by a controversial publisher that has been criticized for shoddy peer review and predatory means of getting both studies and reviews, as well as far too many after-publishing corrections and retractions. The study is in vitro, and draws some pretty controversial conclusions. I couldn't really follow it, not sure if that's just my own lack of knowledge or an issue with the paper. I would want an active and experienced expert to explain it to me, if it's worthy of paying any attention to.
The you tuber has no discernible background in virology, immunology, or infectious disease, hasn't as far as I can tell practiced medicine in years and has no business taking an in vitro study just published by a controversial web site and "explaining" it to the general public as possibly showing that the vaccines may be harming people while presenting himself as a "doctor".
The focus should be on the study. Obvious bias is obvious.3 -
My imagined concern is another comparative. In cats, there is a feline coronavirus that is commonly caught. It manifests in the cat like a cold or the like. The cat recovers, but the virus lays dormant in the cat for life. What I recall is that stressors to the animal (aging, rehoming, other illnesses, etc) promote mutations in the virus. Certain mutations do not impact the animal a go undetected, but other mutations manifest as FIP which is essentially a fatal condition for the animal. I am sure there are much better explanations out there, but you can get the general idea. I am hoping that this COVID-19 virus does not share this trait.
I think there's good news and bad news. There are lots of coronaviruses and it sounds to this layperson like they don't all behave the same, so it's just as likely 19 will be like the common cold, or not like any of them at all, as that.
BUT, they've mentioned on TWIV that there are a lot of animal species that seem able to get infected with covid-19 and this does "possibly" mean that it can hide in other species and re-emerge in the future. It's why they don't think we'll be able to eradicate it, I guess all the viruses we've eradicated were only ever found in humans.
If it helps, I've noticed the TWIV podcasts seem to be assuming that we are on the tail end of this thing. They were just poking fun at a NYT article that quoted a cardiologist who said we'll be masking for the rest of our lives. They wondered why anyone would ask a cardiologist about a pandemic and said it was a ridiculous thing to say. Obviously they are not perfect, but listening to experts who have seen other virus outbreaks and who work with viruses all the time, who are confident in our progress, is reassuring for me!
I am a member of a professional medical organization. My day job is as a controller (head of accounting/finance), but I hold a niche professional-level medical certification. This is a niche organization and includes medical professionals from various areas. I was with a group with that organization this past weekend and the discussion of masks and how long they will be a thing came up. It was general consensus that they will be required in medical settings forever in the future. This group included a flight paramedic, ER doctor, radiologist, and several other medical backgrounds.
Perhaps the cardiologist was thinking about the use of masks in clinical settings?7 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
My imagined concern is another comparative. In cats, there is a feline coronavirus that is commonly caught. It manifests in the cat like a cold or the like. The cat recovers, but the virus lays dormant in the cat for life. What I recall is that stressors to the animal (aging, rehoming, other illnesses, etc) promote mutations in the virus. Certain mutations do not impact the animal a go undetected, but other mutations manifest as FIP which is essentially a fatal condition for the animal. I am sure there are much better explanations out there, but you can get the general idea. I am hoping that this COVID-19 virus does not share this trait.
I think there's good news and bad news. There are lots of coronaviruses and it sounds to this layperson like they don't all behave the same, so it's just as likely 19 will be like the common cold, or not like any of them at all, as that.
BUT, they've mentioned on TWIV that there are a lot of animal species that seem able to get infected with covid-19 and this does "possibly" mean that it can hide in other species and re-emerge in the future. It's why they don't think we'll be able to eradicate it, I guess all the viruses we've eradicated were only ever found in humans.
If it helps, I've noticed the TWIV podcasts seem to be assuming that we are on the tail end of this thing. They were just poking fun at a NYT article that quoted a cardiologist who said we'll be masking for the rest of our lives. They wondered why anyone would ask a cardiologist about a pandemic and said it was a ridiculous thing to say. Obviously they are not perfect, but listening to experts who have seen other virus outbreaks and who work with viruses all the time, who are confident in our progress, is reassuring for me!
I am a member of a professional medical organization. My day job is as a controller (head of accounting/finance), but I hold a niche professional-level medical certification. This is a niche organization and includes medical professionals from various areas. I was with a group with that organization this past weekend and the discussion of masks and how long they will be a thing came up. It was general consensus that they will be required in medical settings forever in the future. This group included a flight paramedic, ER doctor, radiologist, and several other medical backgrounds.
Perhaps the cardiologist was thinking about the use of masks in clinical settings?
That's possible. Wouldn't be the first time an article framed a quote in a misleading way!8 -
**edit, I'll put it in the ongoing Pfizer for kids thread.0
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My 9 and 11 year old are scheduled to get their vax next Monday. Exciting...19
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It would be "lovely" if people who post video, podcast and other "appreciable time investment necessary to watch or read" links also include a short summary of what the link is about.
This is and remains a very informative thread.
And links that take quite a while to watch or read may well be of interest to many of us who went to benefit from the full nuanced discussion a link might present.
But I do feel that speculatively watching or reading every link is not something all of us are likely to do.
Going up thread a couple of pages how many hours worth of links do we find?17 -
It would be "lovely" if people who post video, podcast and other "appreciable time investment necessary to watch or read" links also include a short summary of what the link is about.
This is and remains a very informative thread.
And links that take quite a while to watch or read may well be of interest to many of us who went to benefit from the full nuanced discussion a link might present.
But I do feel that speculatively watching or reading every link is not something all of us are likely to do.
Going up thread a couple of pages how many hours worth of links do we find?
I agree. Also some links are to certain newspapers etc that you needs to subscribe to to read so a summary would be helpful so other know what it's about.4 -
WHY NATURAL IMMUNITY DOESN'T COUNT IN THE USA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz7fZOfPf8M
My Summary:- CDC recommends vaccination even if you've had COVID due to the lack of data
- Israel study supports Natural Immunity alone is effective for relatively young and healthy people, but not those with comorbidities.
- Natural Immunity has higher variability in protection vs vaccination
- Combining past infection with vaccination appears to supercharge your immunity but it also increases the risk of side effects.
- Immunity from infection appears to be under recognized by public health officials
For discussion:- I support everyone getting vaccinated, but I would personally agree to allowing a exception to the vaxx mandate for people with natural immunity, if they so desired.
- I believe most with natural immunity will still choose to get vaccinated and forgoe requesting an exception.
- I think allowing an exception for people with some degree of natural immunity is a reasonable compromise in our drive for herd immunity.
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