Coronavirus prep
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It still sounds rather, dare I say, "Interesting" most of the 9 known cases in the UK yesterday were not connected to overseas travel. So they have been up close and personal to have contracted...............
I'd think you'd notice the lesions. But what do I know. I hope the medical profession have good PPE.2 -
It still sounds rather, dare I say, "Interesting" most of the 9 known cases in the UK yesterday were not connected to overseas travel. So they have been up close and personal to have contracted...............
I'd think you'd notice the lesions. But what do I know. I hope the medical profession have good PPE.
The last US outbreak in 2003 was caused by contact with pet prairie dogs that were co-housed with infected small mammals imported from Ghana. Human to human transmission is typically swapping spit or having sex or contact with the pus from a broken sore...but those sores don't typically show up for a couple of weeks after infection. I only swap spit and have sex with my wife, so I'm not too worried about it.7 -
From WaPo:Monkeypox is not known to spread easily between humans. The fact that cases are emerging in several countries at once — with signs of “sustained” transmission in people — is striking, said Aris Katzourakis, a professor of evolution and genomics at the University of Oxford.
“It’s either a lot of bad luck or something quite unusual happening here,” Katzourakis said.0 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »At this point, I figure it is inevitable that we will get Covid, though we've managed to avoid it so far, AFAIK. Each variation has been more contagious but less virulent. Hopefully that will continue to be the case. I am hoping that the vaccinations I got will at least allow my immune system a chance to fight, though it seems that the boosters are effective for only a very short time and immunity from previous contagion is not happening at all.
The more contagious but less virulent was believed to be the case with Omicron over previous variants and this info is found on reliable medical sites (e.g. CDC, Yale Medical). A recent large study in the US, however, found that not to be the case after factoring for immunity and medical risk factors. It's still a preprint so we'll see if that conclusion holds after peer review and if other studies reinforce that conclusion. However, the good news is that immunity through vaccinations or prior infections still reduces the risk of getting infected (even if less so for the newer variants) and significantly reduces the severity and risk of hospitalization and death.
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-severe-previous-covid-variants-large-study-finds-2022-05-05/
https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-1601788/v1
I had my first confirmed contact with a COVID positive case last week. Did not catch it as far as I can tell, over a week later and no symptoms. This person was EVERYWHERE at work that week though and in contact with dozens of people. So far, I haven't heard of another positive case. We have near 100% vaccination.5 -
@The_Enginerd I have also read that although it is true that the new variants that dominate do so by being more infectious, it is a roll of the dice as to whether the illness they cause is more or less severe. Sorry, don't have sources handy. Sounds like you are out of the woods. Stay well!2
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My husband has Covid now.
Feeling pretty sick and miserable but ok at home.
He is now in isolation for 7 days.
Close contacts don't have to isolate here now so I can go out, just have to wear a mask in indoor public places and cant go to tier 1 or 2 health care settings unless emergency.
Which means I cant go to work for a week since I work in a tier 2 health setting - and just started new job so no sick leave.15 -
paperpudding wrote: »My husband has Covid now.
Feeling pretty sick and miserable but ok at home.
He is now in isolation for 7 days.
Close contacts don't have to isolate here now so I can go out, just have to wear a mask in indoor public places and cant go to tier 1 or 2 health care settings unless emergency.
Which means I cant go to work for a week since I work in a tier 2 health setting - and just started new job so no sick leave.
If you meet the criteria, you may be eligible for this payment https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/pandemic-leave-disaster-payment?context=603524 -
This morning was day two of trying to get outside and exercise since coming back north three weeks ago. While out there, I was reminded about COVID. I was walking along a numbered road (ie decent traffic). I passed a woman, and I stepped to the street to let her run by. The next person I encountered, at a block out, crossed the entire road to let me pass, and then came back again. Both people exchanged pleasantries (ie waved), but you would never see someone cross a road to avoid passing another person prior to COVID.7
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tiptoethruthetulips wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »My husband has Covid now.
Feeling pretty sick and miserable but ok at home.
He is now in isolation for 7 days.
Close contacts don't have to isolate here now so I can go out, just have to wear a mask in indoor public places and cant go to tier 1 or 2 health care settings unless emergency.
Which means I cant go to work for a week since I work in a tier 2 health setting - and just started new job so no sick leave.
If you meet the criteria, you may be eligible for this payment https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/pandemic-leave-disaster-payment?context=60352
Thanks for the suggestion tiptoe.
It talks about people being in isolation, which I am not - but I guess same applies for people who cannot go work because their work place is one of the places close contacts cannot go to
It says, among other things:
You must also meet both of the following requirements to be eligible:
you’ve lost at least 8 hours or a full day’s work
you have liquid assets of less than $10,000 on the first day of the period you’re claiming for.
My husband will lose about 16 hours of work- (he is semi retired and only works 2 days per week)
I will lose about 30 hours.
However we do have more than $10,000 in liquid assets (aka savings
) so we do not qualify.
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Paperpudding, I'm sorry the "rules" are so complicated. I hope all comes good soon for you both.
Please take care
Referring back to the next virus, monkey pox, the cases here are up to 70! We have health professionals isolating for three weeks! Seems international concerns are being voiced because it does not seem to be behaving as it did in the past.4 -
that's all the world needs - another new virus
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Husband is almost better. Did have 3 or 4 days of being hard hit. He is just fatigued now and his sense of taste affected.
I've stayed negative , my 7 days of doing RATS tests as a close contact finishes tomorrow.9 -
paperpudding wrote: »that's all the world needs - another new virus
The media need to get a grip! The monkey pox thing is a ridiculous irrelevance being blown up by irresponsible journalists and believed by people who have no aptitude for critical thinking or the ability to read, apparently! 🙊😂5 -
Its true its another virus which tends to affect persons in a social minority. This does not make it dismissible. I think it was the WHO talking about it. More persons in quite a few countries no cause for spread so far has been found. Here discovering something to connect cases is proving impossible. The fall back situation is contact and trace........... where have we heard this before. And covid has not gone away, we are supposed to be able to get on and live with it.
I realise the press in the US is vastly different to ours in the UK.2 -
Paperpudding, I hope your husband recovers well, hope you continue to stay clear too.
You could look into zinc supplements because his taste is affected, even before covid zinc was associated with taste and smell. I expect were this appropriate to your husband you will be across it.
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I got my second booster today, as recommended for over 50s.6
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Well I get to the last day of my close contact RATS tests, thought I was going to be all good - but shows up positive
and like DH, went overnight from almost nothing to snuffly nose, sore throat , coughing.
Nowhere near as sick as he was though - so hopefully stays mild.
We have both had 3 vaccines
He gets out of iso Fri midnight and of course I am isolated now too.
and obviously I miss another week of work - cant work in health care as a close contact either so I had all this week off, and now most of next week too.
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@paperpudding aarrgghh. Such a bummer. I’m betting they really miss you at work, too. Take care of yourself and let us know how you’re doing.6
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paperpudding wrote: »Well I get to the last day of my close contact RATS tests, thought I was going to be all good - but shows up positive
and like DH, went overnight from almost nothing to snuffly nose, sore throat , coughing.
Nowhere near as sick as he was though - so hopefully stays mild.
We have both had 3 vaccines
He gets out of iso Fri midnight and of course I am isolated now too.
and obviously I miss another week of work - cant work in health care as a close contact either so I had all this week off, and now most of next week too.
Might be another two weeks off work - I tested positive for 12 full days when I had Covid in April.
And I am STILL coughing 6 weeks later. I had a couple of international flights this month and I had to do a PSA to tell those in my row that it was just a lingering cough and not active Covid. Mind you I have had this before with other viruses, post viral cough is so annoying.6 -
thats not the rule here Gail.
Close contacts have to test for 5 days out of 7 including on their last day. They are not in isolation though, but have some restrictions - wear masks in public areas, don't attend health settings (so time off work if you are employed in one)
if you actually get Covid - either as a close contact like I did , or just randomly, you have to home isolate for 7 days. You do not leave your home unless emergency
But you do not have to test again - at the end of the 7 days, if you have no symptoms, your isolation is over. If you have acute symptoms you stay isolated until they clear
You are also exempt from RATS tests in any situation in which they might be required - eg occupational, visiting nursing homes travel etc - for 3 months
Because people can have antibodies which show up as positive for a period of time but they are not infectious, it is just evidence of recent infection5 -
paperpudding wrote: »thats not the rule here Gail.
Close contacts have to test for 5 days out of 7 including on their last day. They are not in isolation though, but have some restrictions - wear masks in public areas, don't attend health settings (so time off work if you are employed in one)
if you actually get Covid - either as a close contact like I did , or just randomly, you have to home isolate for 7 days. You do not leave your home unless emergency
But you do not have to test again - at the end of the 7 days, if you have no symptoms, your isolation is over. If you have acute symptoms you stay isolated until they clear
You are also exempt from RATS tests in any situation in which they might be required - eg occupational, visiting nursing homes travel etc - for 3 months
Because people can have antibodies which show up as positive for a period of time but they are not infectious, it is just evidence of recent infection
That’s the policy here in the US as well, except isolation is 10 days. In Colorado at least. I was very specifically told not to test again and to contact public health if I needed documentation to exempt me from any testing at all, even for medical procedures, for 90 days.2 -
paperpudding wrote: »thats not the rule here Gail.
Close contacts have to test for 5 days out of 7 including on their last day. They are not in isolation though, but have some restrictions - wear masks in public areas, don't attend health settings (so time off work if you are employed in one)
if you actually get Covid - either as a close contact like I did , or just randomly, you have to home isolate for 7 days. You do not leave your home unless emergency
But you do not have to test again - at the end of the 7 days, if you have no symptoms, your isolation is over. If you have acute symptoms you stay isolated until they clear
You are also exempt from RATS tests in any situation in which they might be required - eg occupational, visiting nursing homes travel etc - for 3 months
Because people can have antibodies which show up as positive for a period of time but they are not infectious, it is just evidence of recent infection
That is the legal procedure here as well, but my understanding is that those policies were put in place more because of business demands than actually medical science.
I was searching online and my understanding is that while PCR tests can pick up genetic material for many weeks - if you test positive on a rapid test it is possible that you are still infectious (especially day 5 - 10).
At any rate I couldn't get a definitive answer so I leaned towards a cautious approach and didn't return to the office until I tested negative (rapid test) just to be safe. I didn't want to expose anyone.
Also I was pretty sick so I don't think my symptoms were even gone in 7 days.4 -
It was 10 days here too till a month or so ago COgypsy - but now only 7.
Although the day of positive test is day 0, so really 8 days.
if your acute symptoms are not gone, you stay in isolation.
Ongoing symptoms like post viral cough, some people have fatigue for a while afterward - they are ok to go out.
I will be wearing a mask when I am back at work - as masks are still required in health settings anyway.
No I dont agree that positive RATS would mean you are still positive - I dont think SA Health (or other authorities) would exempt people who have had Covid for doing RATS for 3 months if that were so.
They specifically say you do not need to do a clearance RATS test - if your symptoms have cleared you can end your isolation.
And SA Health have been conservative compared to other places and I do not think swayed by business influences.1 -
paperpudding wrote: »It was 10 days here too till a month or so ago COgypsy - but now only 7.
Although the day of positive test is day 0, so really 8 days.
if your acute symptoms are not gone, you stay in isolation.
Ongoing symptoms like post viral cough, some people have fatigue for a while afterward - they are ok to go out.
I will be wearing a mask when I am back at work - as masks are still required in health settings anyway.
No I dont agree that positive RATS would mean you are still positive - I dont think SA Health (or other authorities) would exempt people who have had Covid for doing RATS for 3 months if that were so.
They specifically say you do not need to do a clearance RATS test - if your symptoms have cleared you can end your isolation.
And SA Health have been conservative compared to other places and I do not think swayed by business influences.
Interesting - it's only 5 days here but my belief is still that is just to get people back to work sooner. Or it was when it was changed back in January when basically everyone had it and the economy was going to come to a standstill with everyone isolating.
Everything I have read from virologists and public health experts states that (at the very least up to day 10) if you test positive you are still infectious. Probably less infectious than the first few days, but still potentially infectious. And I did a LOT of (online) "research" when I had it. I'd be curious to see the data that SA Health used in making their assertion. Asymptomatic testing resumes here 30 days after confirmed infection.
"The odds are very slim, outside of a laboratory setting, that someone who gets a positive result on a rapid antigen test is a non-infectious person shedding large amounts of dead virus, said Kelly Wroblewski, director of infectious disease programs for the Association of Public Health Laboratories."
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/if-you-test-positive-on-a-rapid-covid-test-dont-stop-isolating-just-yet-virologists-say
My BIL (who is the director of public health here) concurred - he gave me actual numbers on how it works (which I now forget but something like 40% of people are still infectious after 7 days etc). It's not like you are 100% infectious on day 5 and 0% on day 6.
The regulations here also state not to visit high risk settings between days 6-10 - so it seems that does acknowledge there is still a risk of infection.
At any rate, yes legally probably no one could have stopped me from going into the office. But out of respect for the people I work with I followed the information that I could find, not the legal requirement. If that information is flawed then whatever, I'm not harming anyone by staying away. I can work from home anyway so it was no big deal.
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Well I should not have jinxed myself. Traveled across the country for the family wedding, and yup, I officially have COVID. Started with just a scratchy throat. Tested negative on both the first and second day with symptoms. Today, the test lit right up.14
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There is this woman I keep trying to spend more time with. But we are both crazy busy (I am crazy busy all the time, she is more busy on the weekends when I am less busy). We haven't met up for weeks. I tried to see if we could get together last Sat. and it didn't work for her schedule. Got lucky because she came down with Covid on Sunday. I guess things happen for a reason.14
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Freedom day for me today and back to work.
Yay for that!
my job cannot be done from home so I obviously didnt do any work at home.
I'm happy to follow SA Health regulations Gail - no, I dont have the data they make their decisions on - but I'm sure they have done enough research on the matter themselves to make a reasonable call.
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Latest wedding report, if you include me, there are 5 C+ attendees so far, and pretty sure more will be diagnosed.11
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We are at 7 reported cases including MOB (my sister) and DH. From the sounds of it, DH and I have it worst of the 7 and it is like at crappy cold or flu so far. The body aches are what bother me the most, and yes, I just want to sleep. Hubby had a terrible night trying to sleep last night. Breathing is fine standing up, but he cannot find a sleeping position where his breathing is good. I did test his 02. He is running 93/92 ATM. Will continue to monitor. He does tend to run lower than me to begin with.9
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SModa, I can't remember how many days you are with covid. I'm thinking you would probably be better to let your local doctors know how things are particularly your husband so they can offer something to ease his situation. We discovered there are support options available to ease things. This was back in the days of registering cases and the medical practice was informed my husband had registered a positive test so they offered help if needed.
Sometimes with the use of pillows one can achieve a good upright position. When working, we used to put two or three pillows on top of each other tilting higher at the back then put two more pillows to make an upside down v cushion to hold the body more secure and higher. I'm not sure if my explanation would help. Other than that, sat upright in an arm chair with feet raised might be helpful. But please ask your doctors for advice.8
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