WOMEN AGES 50+ FOR JUNE 2022
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Karen in VA ~ Yes, I have taken a variety of anti-depressants for many years. They have helped me function very well and without them I will go through days of crying jags and worse. Better living through chemistry helps me!
Carol in GA4 -
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Lanette — Long ago I went to Hendricks Park in Eugene with a number of other students. The Psilocybin mushroom experience was delightful. I did not have any negative results. That was about 54 years ago. It is a good memory.
Barbara — A neighbor gave me baskets for the hummingbirds. I tied them to branches of our rhododendrons. I don’t know whether the birds used them. The river level has dropped and the blackberry vines are blooming. The birds lived in the vines before but I haven’t seen them in the past few days.1 -
WOOHOO Kirby and Yogi! LOVE Yogi’s medal.
OMGosh, Karen! When I HAD TO go on antidepressants, they worked wonders! I will say that I had to work thru two before I found the right one and the second one was a terror! Made me feel all looppy and nervous and I hated it. Actually called my FIL to take me into the doc for an appt (and that's saying something bc he and I didn't always see eye-to-eye). But once I found the right one, it was like a lightswitch! I stayed on it for years until I was BLESSED to be able to be weaned off, with my doctor's help and haven't had to go back on. But I would, in a heartbeat, if I felt the need. You just have to be willing to put in the time to find the right one. It is truly a chemical imbalance. Nothing to be ashamed of and I'm SO glad you asked. You deserve to be OUT of that fog. But you have to be patient during your trials, like everyone's said. There are some natural (herbal) antidepressants too. My mom took St. John's wort and it helped her immensely. BUT you can't take that while you're trying any other antidepressants!
Just venting for a minute. You know I love our daughters, but I am SO ANGRY right now, I could just kick and scream!!! Neither one of them called or even texted Freddy yesterday. 30 and 33 years old and we've done nothing but support them their entire lives. Been there for everything they've needed. Highs and lows. Not even a text. And he tries to make like it doesn't bother him, but it breaks his heart. He would lay down his life for those girls and their kids and they ignore him. Just kills me.
That's all... Carla, out.
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Lanette — Long ago I went to Hendricks Park in Eugene with a number of other students. The Psilocybin mushroom experience was delightful. I did not have any negative results. That was about 54 years ago. It is a good memory.
Over the years we had them growing in livestock pastures. DH would try them, I never did. Had one experience with "spiked" hashish when I was in my late teens, not sure what was in it but it really knocked me out and I steered clear of everything but occasional MJ after that.
But after reading the research being conducted on Psilocybins, think I'd try them if the need would arise. Similar to how medical MJ & CBD has been found to be effective for many folks.
I was a fan of Adelle Davis, an American nutritionist who wrote several books like "Let's Eat Right to Keep Fit". I recall she took LSD in her later years and raved about it.
GOSH we DO talk about everything in this group, don't we? New ladies hang in there. We're an eclectic gang!
Lanette
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Lanette,. Very interesting YouTube on Psilocybins! Toward the end there is mention of an anti-inflammatory effect. It is interesting that some people experience remission of symptoms for several weeks after just one dose - reminds me of ECT. I have to say that I had such a terrible experience with MJ as a youth - horrible vertigo and nausea - that I am very cautious about taking anything. I have read about stellate ganglia injection with ketamine for PTSD, another curious and fascinating bit of research.
Edited to add: I just looked up Magic Mushrooms and apparently they are still considered Schedule I drugs in most parts of the USA.
Thanks, for sharing your experiences/thoughts about antidepressants. I'm not crazy about the idea, but this fog is debilitating.
Karen in Virginia9 -
Some say depression is anger turned inward. As I read what many of us in this list are going through, it's also exhaustion.
Dr. David Hanscom, a former Seattle spine surgeon who has abandoned the "knife" for more holistic ways of dealing with back and all types of pain, addresses depression in this article: "Depression is Anxiety".
https://backincontrol.com/depression-is-anxiety/
I have used his expressive writing techniques in the past to get rid of mental junk. Write it on paper, then shred the paper. Fascinating food for thought.
Lanette
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Hello, all,
Read everything, not just loads of comments this morning. My brain room is being taken up by the latest experiment - spent grain bread.
Boring for most unless you bake bread or do any home brewing:Some might remember that my DH's hobby is home brewing - he's an IPA buff, so he's always coming up with new things to try or add. For Father's Day, along with the new Keurig, he also got a new full kit to make five gallons of beer with whole grain. Not something he's done before. He mentioned that he thought that after the brewing, the grain would make good bread, so I went looking for recipes and found more than a few.
So, this morning, I replaced about a quarter of my flour with the still wet grains (kept in the refrigerator overnight) and upped the usual yeast, sugar and salt a bit. It's in for the first proof, and then I have to decide on the shape, whether two loaves, or one loaf and a half-dozen sandwich rolls or what. Read a lot of recipes last night, and in the end, decided to use my own proven recipe and simply treat the grain like it was another flour.
A lot of recipes noted that the best idea was to let it slowly develop the gluten in the refrigerator overnight, which will be the next thing I try if these don't work out.
Yesterday was laundry in the morning and then lazing around with Corey most of the day. Both kids called him, which I was pleased about. Carla, I'm sorry your daughters boofed it. Shakespeare said it right in Lear: "How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is to have a thankless child." They all seem to go through different ungrateful periods of time because their own lives take precedence, understandably enough. But understanding it doesn't make it hurt any less.
Time to go relax a little more. Just too hot outside to work, and a stinker of a headache for third day in a row. My sinuses are just awful right now.
Love y'all,
Lisa in AR4 -
Hello ladies!
I did my yoga and fast marching! Yay!
Annie in Delaware6 -
KetoneKaren wrote: »Please, anyone that is willing, to share thoughts/opinions about antidepressants - have they actually helped any of you with anxiety, depression, inertia, follow-through, sleep, etc.? I have been feeling so low for over 6 months now, and I have so very much to do to purge our house, give away most of our belongings, etc. Major downsizing and a move in the offing, and I cannot see through the fog...
Karen in Virginia
Karen, I’m right there with you trying different things. I have been on the max dose of citalopram (not sure of the real name. This is generic) for at least 20 years now. It is beginning to not work any more. I am waiting on an appointment for therapy and med review.
Meanwhile, I found Natrol Sleep+ Calm gummies at Walmart (purple and white container) that has been helping me get much better sleep. It’s melatonin and L-Theanine both recommended by my np.
I have also found an app called “MoodLinks” that is meant to be used and shared with your doctor. I find it very helpful even without a doctor.
I tend to sleep too long for my nerves to recover from stress, anxiety, and depression. Gives me a rest from reality. Not the best therapy but temporary until real therapy can start.
RvRita4 -
Karen — Why are you planning to move? Do you dislike neighbors, or prefer a different neighborhood? I hope you are able to find a home that makes you happy.0
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In her book Emotional Genius Karen McLaren talks about the emotion of depression. It is usually not one thing that creates this emotional state. It is a series of things that are wearing on the nerves. Depression is a way of your body declaring a time out from being overwhelmed. An easy state to get to in this day and age.
Setting healthy boundaries is one step to take. Again hard to do with the world and voices telling how to behave. I have a friend that when I tell her sometime I stood up against will ask me don't I feel guilty. NOOOO! I feel empowered and I am taking care of myself. I do feel it a bother to even have to explain how important it is too stand up for myself.
Another is get exercise that works for you that hopefully gets you in sunshine...walking, gardening, swimming outside, walking through a garden center...
Resting where you are talking deep calming breaths...
Singing, dancing to get your body in a productive way.
Eating foods that nourish your body instead of someone else's pocket. Interesting that the makers of junk food often do not eat therir own food. Think of that the next time you reach for a junk food product.
Sleep is one the hardest of all. I sometimes take passion flower tincture and use Epson salts like a body scrub (for magnesium) to help with leg cramps which is what makes it hard for me to get a good nights sleep. Working on getting a healthy sleep rountine in place.
Do I always follow my own advice. Unfortuately NO. I just try to do better because when I do I feel better.
Give yourself credit for anything you do to work yourself through the fog of depression.
When I got hit hard with depression after a life threatening illness. I remember reading someday you will notice the geraniums again and enjoy them. Perhaps that is why I make a habit of everyday finding a beautiful display of flowers and share them with my friends on FACEBOOK.
Margaret
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Everything offered is helping me. I love the different approaches and ideas about how to deal with this.
Margaret, Yes, there have been several things that have piled on the last few years. The cumulative effect of the political climate, Covid, my brother's health, my spouse's health, decisions about work, quitting Jazzercise, grandson's autism diagnosis, etc., I plummeted. No more than anyone else deals with, and less than many, but I have a genetic predisposition to depression and I finally spiraled down into it.
Katla, We are moving now so we don't have to make agonizing decisions & lose control later. Also, to relieve the burden of worry about disposition of our belongings. And finally, to save our children from having to make those decisions and do all that work, and to save them from as much worry as possible.
Lanette I'm going to look up Dr. Hanscom.
Rita & everyone else, Thanks, and keep the comments coming. Definitely helping. I contacted my doctor to talk about an SSRI.
Karen in Virginia5 -
Found this in one of Dr. Hanscom's blogs:
“She Just Let Go”
She let go. Without a thought or a word, she let go.
She let go of the fear. She let go of the judgments.
She let go of the confluence of opinions swarming around her head
She let go of the committee of indecision within her.
She let go of all the “right” reasons. Wholly and completely, without hesitation or worry,
She just let go.
She didn’t ask anyone for advice.
She didn’t read a book on how to let go….
She didn’t search the scriptures.
She just let go.
She let go of all of the memories that held her back.
She let go of all the anxiety that kept her from moving forward.
She let go of the planning and all of the calculations about how to do it just right.
She didn’t promise to let go.
She didn’t journal about it.
She didn’t write the projected date in her day timer.
She made no public announcement and put no ad in the paper.
She didn’t check the weather report or read her daily horoscope.
She just let go.
She didn’t analyze whether she should let go.
She didn’t call her friends to discuss the matter.
She didn’t do a five-step Spiritual Mind Treatment.
She didn’t call the prayer line.
She didn’t utter one word.
She just let go.
No one was around when it happened.
There was no applause or congratulations.
No one thanked her or praised her.
No one noticed a thing.
Like a leaf falling from a tree,
She just let go.
There was no effort. There was no struggle.
It wasn’tgood, and it wasn’t bad.
It was what it was, and it is just that.
In the space of letting go, she let it all be.
A small smile came over her face.
A light breeze blew through her.
And the sun and the moon shone forevermore.
–Rev. Safire Rose
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Afternoon ladies
I must say the guys were prompt and set the bed up in record time..only thing i forgot to have them do is put the slide things under so i can move the bed oh well,when my brother comes down ill have him help do that..
I got the bed made up and promptly lay down and took a lovely nap it was divine.. no more sleeping on the floor..
Gave the guys each 20 bucks and a cold bottle of water gor the ride...I would do buisness with them again in a heartbeat..
I got a call from the drs office from the bloodwork i did this morning.. i guess my hemoglobin, and white and red blood counts are low and they wanted me to contact both my cardiologist and nephrologist.. so I did..
My son will be staying overnight tonight and im taking him to the airport in the morning..im hoping they dont cancel his flight.. he is so looking forward to it.. but tomorrow is going to be a long day because I have to be up at like 3:30 and after taking him up ( he wont take his car ugh)I watch Miles until noontime.. then yes i will need a nap for sure..4 -
Hello friends. I couldn’t believe how long it has been since I posted. Barbara reached out to me about a week ago and I started trying to find the thread. I really have missed you all. I tried to skim to see who was still here and was delighted to see so many familiar names.
I can’t remember if I posted when my hair fell out after my second shot. I mean like shinny bald on top. Bought a wig and went through treatment with a Dermatologist. It had come back somewhat but is very curly and soft. No complaints. It is good to have hair. . Haven’t gotten enough energy back to play golf although I have tried a few times. It is so hot here that it makes you sick to go out very long.
I hesitate to end this post because I may not find you again. Lol
SueBDew in TX14 -
Worked today. I’m hoping to get to the gym tomorrow. Ceramics tonight so no walk around the block
Flea – hug
At one point my MIL was on 10 different medications. Same as you are talking about, one for one thing, another for the side effect, another for the side effect of that drug and so on
Allie – so glad you’re so happy with the new bed and the installation.
Had a home visit for my CPAP. You are supposed to be connected to the WiFi but for security Vince has ours hidden and we couldn’t find a way to enter the network name. Well, Vince enabled it long enough for it to show up and then we can use it for the CPAP then he disabled it.
Guess we need to have dinner in a few.
Michele NC
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LATEST UPDATE (#4) : yogi had his checkup on his mouth surgery. We don’t have to soak his food anymore and we can go back to his hard treats. I never knew so I asked how many teeth had they removed, 7! That was including the one canine tooth, woah! For the next 7 days; still no frisbee (he has a soft frisbee) or ball catching and I have to keep walking him on leash (usually walks off leach with us) so I can make sure he doesn’t pick up any sticks along the way. Weighed in at 64.5 lbs which is a perfect weight for him. Have been back to our 6 mile walks, he’s doing awesome.13
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Karen in Virginia - Wish I was there to give you a hug, I have not dealt with depression with meds, just no booze, more fresh air, and pet loving.... Be sure you take regular showers, and wear clothes you like, that sounds weird but I have found if you do the "look your best" it helps with the reaction the world gives you and that helps with depression. Probably not enough help for deeper depression, but every little bit of help adds to the whole.
Kim in N. California8
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