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My symptoms have been so odd. I'm getting better, but then get worse again. 2 steps forward, then 1 step back.
Sat felt like I was hit by a truck. Covid confirmed. Back aches, headache, nosebleed, throat on fire, later had uncontrollable hiccups into Sun.
Sun. More of the same with less severity except also runny nose (and still a lot of blood). Hiccups stopped, and I slept most of the day.
Mon. Much better, throat still on fire, bloody nose and runny nose.
Tues. Same as Mon, and now coughing a lot.
Wed. Throat less severe, runny and bloody nose nearly resolved, coughing is worse.
Will see what Thurs brings, but overall better so far. I was told Omicron symptoms are unpredictable and change throughout.14 -
DiscoveringLisa wrote: »I am pretty scared right now. My mom has been in congestive heart failure for a week. HR ~30bpm kind of thing. Feels like she can't get a full breath. Probably needs pacemaker (and wants it) but need 2 weeks worth of data to know how to implant/position it. (Sounds like AF is a simpler fix but that's not her problem.)
Anywhoo, Friday before last stepdad ubered her to a cardiology appt because HE felt unwell. As I was driving to hospital to pick them up, HE went to the ER with kidney stones. Several nightmare situations ensued (5 hr ER wait, concierge doctor no help at all-not even a return phone call, both of them fell down stairs in their home, had to call emergency services to get her up). Mercifully, he is better now. His adult kids are great people and tag teamed coming in town to help them out (I'm the only one local).
But ...as you probably guessed...now both octogenarians have Covid. The 2nd sib was as careful as one could be, testing before leaving home and daily thereafter but yesterday tested positive and promptly left. Now he wishes he stayed to isolate with them but his instinct was to get away fast. Their doc ordered monoclonal antibody infusions (maybe past the window for Paxlovid?) which I home comes soon. Waiting to be scheduled. Waiting. I've learned that when your next step is waiting for a med provider to call, that is not a great place to be. Never got that call from the urologist, either.
Technically I'm a close contact and not sure when to count day 0 but counting it as Sunday so will test Fri. We expect our vaccines to do their job. My only symptom is high anxiety about the grands.
tl;dr: covid scary for old people with lots o pre-existing stuff.
I can understand old or physically frail people getting the vaccine. I don't understand the logic behind relatively young healthy people taking endless boosters for something their immune system can most likely fight off. The fact is, the vaccine does not stop you contracting COVID and it doesn't stop you spreading it but it can cause adverse effects...so I guess you have to use your best judgement about which risk you want to take. Seems pointless to me unless you have multiple health problems and are at extreme risk.
Long covid does not seem to care about whether you were young and healthy before you got covid.9 -
DiscoveringLisa wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »DiscoveringLisa wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »DiscoveringLisa wrote: »I don't know why my comments aren't posting...
Just to say, in the UK, people are now being compensated for vaccine injuries/deaths ...I don't think they compensate on the basis of hearsay
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-poster/fact-check-poster-about-uk-vaccine-compensation-scheme-is-not-from-uk-government-idUSL2N2X2270
Not really sure why you've posted this link....?cwolfman13 wrote: »DiscoveringLisa wrote: »I don't know why my comments aren't posting...
Just to say, in the UK, people are now being compensated for vaccine injuries/deaths ...I don't think they compensate on the basis of hearsay
Very few and rare in reality. There is a lot of misinformation about this on social media...the reality is that these complications can be genuine, but are exceedingly rare. Anecdotally my brother works in the ICU in a hospital here...he's treated exactly ZERO people with any major complications from the vaccine.
Because that.
Oh I see..
From what I read it looked like a warning against phoney government websites claiming to be offering vaccine compensation....? Didn't get why you were sharing that with me, I'm sure you were trying to make a point, I just don't know what it was. Did you think that's where I was getting my information from?
People are claiming for vaccine injury in the UK and according to the British Medical Journal, 1681 people have claimed (as of may 20th) so far. It's certainly not everyone, not most, not even half or a quarter but it's way more than a one off or a freak rare occurrence. And it's enough to give some of us pause for thought and to ask if this so called vaccine is something we really need to have and to keep having. As I've said before, it doesn't stop you becoming ill or spreading it so I'm happy to go with my immune system on this one.
But 1681 cases out of 44 million vaccinations (using a number posted up thread - -I have no personal knowledge of the number of doses administered in the UK) is a very small number. It's 38 in a million. It's 0.0038%. Personally, I'd call that a freak rare occurrence.8 -
DiscoveringLisa wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »DiscoveringLisa wrote: »I don't know why my comments aren't posting...
Just to say, in the UK, people are now being compensated for vaccine injuries/deaths ...I don't think they compensate on the basis of hearsay
Very few and rare in reality. There is a lot of misinformation about this on social media...the reality is that these complications can be genuine, but are exceedingly rare. Anecdotally my brother works in the ICU in a hospital here...he's treated exactly ZERO people with any major complications from the vaccine.
Not ending up in ICU is not an indicator of no problem though is it? There are people living with long term issues, people who ended up in the ER and then sent home ... Not in intensive care doesn't mean no harm done, just means you didn't end up in intensive care
Then you need to use the same standard for considering the risks of getting covid, which aren't limited to ending up in ICU. There's days off from work feeling rotten; there's potential financial loss if it happens while you're traveling or about to travel and you're forced to cancel plans; there's loss of your sense of taste and smell; there's long covid.7 -
DiscoveringLisa wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »DiscoveringLisa wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »DiscoveringLisa wrote: »I don't know why my comments aren't posting...
Just to say, in the UK, people are now being compensated for vaccine injuries/deaths ...I don't think they compensate on the basis of hearsay
Very few and rare in reality. There is a lot of misinformation about this on social media...the reality is that these complications can be genuine, but are exceedingly rare. Anecdotally my brother works in the ICU in a hospital here...he's treated exactly ZERO people with any major complications from the vaccine.
Not ending up in ICU is not an indicator of no problem though is it? There are people living with long term issues, people who ended up in the ER and then sent home ... Not in intensive care doesn't mean no harm done, just means you didn't end up in intensive care
1200 out of around 45M people in the UK who received the vax are applying for the payment...that's a small number. You sound exactly like all of the social media antivaxxers out there.
I'm not an anti vaxxer, I've had all my childhood vaccinations; I was also vaccinated for Hepatitis B as an adult when I started my training as a Midwife some years ago. My children have had all their important childhood vaccinations. I'm not against vaccinations that are safe, that are necessary and that work....
We have not been vaccinated for COVID because we don't need to be. I weighed up the information, used my power of critical thinking and decided against it. I'm not alone, many people did and decided the same thing, including many health professionals. I don't actually think choosing not to have a particular medical procedure makes you an anti vaxxer....
Being mindlessly against all vaccinations makes you an anti vaxxer, deciding not to have one vaccine based on real concerns doesn't.
I'm not arguing that you're an anti-vaxxer, but I question your critical thinking. In the U.S., more than 300,000 people who chose not to get vaccinated died from covid unnecessarily (that is, unvaccinated covid deaths after vaccines were available, adjusted by comparing death rates among unvaccinated and among vaccinated -- that is, excess covid deaths among the unvaccinated after they could have gotten vaccinated).
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/05/13/1098071284/this-is-how-many-lives-could-have-been-saved-with-covid-vaccinations-in-each-sta9 -
paperpudding wrote: »It seems it can travel under another name beginning I think with, T, it might just be in our vaccines again after all this time. If anyone can enlighten me, please tell me I'm wrong and worrying about nothing.
Thiomersal
https://www.ncirs.org.au/sites/default/files/2018-12/thiomersal-fact-sheet.pdf
This is Australian based but probably still useful info for anyone anywhere .
is also not a new article so does not include Covid vaccines
However https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-covid-vaccine-ingredients-idUSKBN2AQ2SW - would appear they do not contain any thiomersal.
Pretty sure it's thimerosol, unless this is a thing like aluminum and aluminium, where the same thing has slightly different names in different English-speaking countries.0 -
Well the articles I linked spelt it like I did so that is the spelling in Australia and UK at least. ( one article from each)2
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BuellerFerrisBueller wrote: »Am I the only one who has gone over 2 years without consuming any junk food or restaurant food? Unhealthy foods weaken the immune system and promote inflammation.
While I'm all for vaccines, face masks, and physical distancing, these precautions don't go far enough. During the course of this pandemic, nutritional immunology NEVER made it into the national dialogue, not even when a study showed that those with higher quality diets were at lower risk of severe illness and death from COVID-19.
Are nutritional deficiencies and junk food sacred?
I can't say I've gone 2 years without consuming junk food or restaurant food, but, I do think you have a point. It really concerns me how much unhealthier the average person's lifestyle got during shutdowns. I read somewhere that the average American gained 29 pounds during shutdowns. I know people who developed alcohol problems or ate their way into type 2 diabetes during shutdowns. We have to think about the long-term effects of all this if we're going to factor in total deaths. There seems to be a huge disconnect with people when it comes to their diet and health. People really convinced themselves it was healthy to sit on the couch ordering takeout for months on end when really this should have been a wakeup call for anyone with diet-related conditions to eat healthier and lose weight if necessary. Also it likely would not have been anywhere near as destructive or needed such an extreme response if we didn't have a crisis of obesity and lifestyle-related illnesses.Hiawassee88 wrote: »Have you had it? Did you know any long-haulers? I know some and they're all ages. Not old. Not elderly and they did not have any underlying conditions. They do now. It's like having mono. They're tired and worn out. I'm talking high school kids with a track and field career who can't do it anymore. The side effects have lingered on and on.
I'm vaccinated but just wondering: why does the demographic profile of the average COVID long-hauler more closely match the demographic profile of people most likely to get a psychosomatic illness, rather than the profile of people most likely to have severe COVID symptoms?
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I just got the call and she is in the hospital on IV's in ICU. She's running a high fever, the one who could not stay awake. They did make it all of the way home.
August 2021, another relative could not get into our local hospital. Every room was filled with tourists and none of them were vaxed. Relative's issue was for the heart. They were sending our locals to neighboring states. Idaho, Montana, Utah and Colorado...until they refused to take any more patients. They had too many of their own. So people were sent home to take care of themselves, get better or die. Our local doctors were furious because they didn't sign up to take of tourists who refused to take care of themselves. We're right back where we started. Hospital at full capacity with tourists as I write this.
And when they get it, they're the first ones to run to the hospital and take up all of the resources. Yes, it is a choice but think of those on the frontlines. You don't want to end up in their world. In the beginning, there's an excuse. In the end, there's nothing but regret.14 -
BuellerFerrisBueller wrote: »Am I the only one who has gone over 2 years without consuming any junk food or restaurant food? Unhealthy foods weaken the immune system and promote inflammation.
While I'm all for vaccines, face masks, and physical distancing, these precautions don't go far enough. During the course of this pandemic, nutritional immunology NEVER made it into the national dialogue, not even when a study showed that those with higher quality diets were at lower risk of severe illness and death from COVID-19.
Are nutritional deficiencies and junk food sacred?
Lol no... just no :noway:7 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »DiscoveringLisa wrote: »I am pretty scared right now. My mom has been in congestive heart failure for a week. HR ~30bpm kind of thing. Feels like she can't get a full breath. Probably needs pacemaker (and wants it) but need 2 weeks worth of data to know how to implant/position it. (Sounds like AF is a simpler fix but that's not her problem.)
Anywhoo, Friday before last stepdad ubered her to a cardiology appt because HE felt unwell. As I was driving to hospital to pick them up, HE went to the ER with kidney stones. Several nightmare situations ensued (5 hr ER wait, concierge doctor no help at all-not even a return phone call, both of them fell down stairs in their home, had to call emergency services to get her up). Mercifully, he is better now. His adult kids are great people and tag teamed coming in town to help them out (I'm the only one local).
But ...as you probably guessed...now both octogenarians have Covid. The 2nd sib was as careful as one could be, testing before leaving home and daily thereafter but yesterday tested positive and promptly left. Now he wishes he stayed to isolate with them but his instinct was to get away fast. Their doc ordered monoclonal antibody infusions (maybe past the window for Paxlovid?) which I home comes soon. Waiting to be scheduled. Waiting. I've learned that when your next step is waiting for a med provider to call, that is not a great place to be. Never got that call from the urologist, either.
Technically I'm a close contact and not sure when to count day 0 but counting it as Sunday so will test Fri. We expect our vaccines to do their job. My only symptom is high anxiety about the grands.
tl;dr: covid scary for old people with lots o pre-existing stuff.
I can understand old or physically frail people getting the vaccine. I don't understand the logic behind relatively young healthy people taking endless boosters for something their immune system can most likely fight off. The fact is, the vaccine does not stop you contracting COVID and it doesn't stop you spreading it but it can cause adverse effects...so I guess you have to use your best judgement about which risk you want to take. Seems pointless to me unless you have multiple health problems and are at extreme risk.
Long covid does not seem to care about whether you were young and healthy before you got covid.
Currently can attest to this... still working with a diminished lung capacity and fatigue. From being perfectly healthy going to the gym 4 days a week.11 -
PP, very, very many thanks. Explained it all. I'd vaccines in 1950 a triple or three at once and had a significant reaction it was never asked or proved what the issue was, Kalyn poultices were the answer then, never hear of them now. Subsequent ones were less reactive, one at a time, I went on to have amalgam fillings, removed now though there is still a dark line on one tooth. I'm still thinking it all over. My immune system is playing or has been playing Havok with itself. There are so many causes of stress which depletes immunity, I'm working on eliminating those. My dentist calls me one of "the canaries in the coal mine". Like I say, I'm still thinking.
Thank you again PP.5 -
I'm on my last day of COVID protocol for work. My youngest started feeling crummy last Tuesday and we had inconclusive results on Tuesday but a definite positive on Wednesday. This is his second go around and I'm pretty surprised that everyone else in the house didn't also catch it like we all did in January.
His was very mild. Felt off and tired on Tuesday and was down Wednesday but back to about 90% by Thursday. We went camping for the weekend and left on Friday and you wouldn't have even known he was sick a couple of days earlier.8 -
One of dh's golfing buddies just got Covid. As I mentioned in a previous post, my nephew and his family have it. And now President Biden.
I just wonder why everyone has let their guard down(including me)
I'm not looking forward to school starting up again, especially with many of the schools no longer requiring masks and the summer filled with people back from vacations. 5 -
One of dh's golfing buddies just got Covid. As I mentioned in a previous post, my nephew and his family have it. And now President Biden.
I just wonder why everyone has let their guard down(including me) I'm not looking forward to school starting up again, especially with many of the schools no longer requiring masks and the summer filled with people back from vacations.
I think that even people who were taking all the recommended precautions (including me) have just become exhausted with it.
You can’t constantly keep your guard up for 2+ years and not get tired. The pull of normalcy is too strong.
I think that for most people who are not at high risk for complications, we are just trusting that being vaccinated and boosted will prevent serious illness.
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@Hiawassee88 I hope she recovers quickly and safely.
The trouble with this virus is there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason who gets it and how badly, how long it lasts, what their symptoms will be, if the tests are accurate. News says Cruise lines don't even need to let it be known if Covid is on board or not. I hope I read that wrong. I flew, the end of May, no masks. You go shopping and you don't see the masking up anymore. And I'm as guilty as everyone else, especially during the hot summer. But I do keep my distance when I can. And I've had my 1st booster, probably time to look into my 2nd booster. 3 -
One of dh's golfing buddies just got Covid. As I mentioned in a previous post, my nephew and his family have it. And now President Biden.
I just wonder why everyone has let their guard down(including me) I'm not looking forward to school starting up again, especially with many of the schools no longer requiring masks and the summer filled with people back from vacations.
I can only speak for myself, but I view this thing as endemic at this point...it's here and it isn't going anywhere probably ever. At this point I feel like keeping track of new cases is right up there with trying to keep up with who catches the common cold. Everyone I know has gotten it and everyone I know is vaccinated and has only experienced minor symptoms. I've very honestly had it way worse with the common cold, strep, influenza, etc.
I haven't really paid a whole lot of attention to other states, but here in NM our hospitalizations and deaths are pretty much at normal, pre-pandemic levels and those are the two things I think most important.
The only thing that really bugs me is that we've had both my mom and her boyfriend as well as my wife's parents feeling ill but not testing and still going about their business saying they just have a cold. My youngest tested positive last week and I'm pretty sure it was from my mom and her boyfriend who came over the previous weekend for his birthday...they were both coughing and sneezing and said they just had a cold. When I informed them for contact purposes that Henry had tested positive, they both tested at that point and were also positive.
My wife's parents and my sister in law and niece were in London for Wimbledon and on a phone call to us sounded ill and they said the same thing...just a little cold. They had all kinds of plans to attend a big anniversary party and then continue on their vacation elsewhere. We asked them if they had tested and urged them to do so, but they didn't feel the need. My 16 year old niece is apparently more responsible and has more brains than my 83 year old in-laws because she did test and came up positive for which they then and only then decided to test and popped.
I have to imagine that this behavior isn't isolated to my family and it's happening everywhere and I find it far more egregious than healthy people going about their lives with normalcy. If you're sick stay home and test...hell, stay home even if it's negative and just a cold. What I find particularly upsetting is that these people are our elders and I would think they would act more responsibly...but yeah, it's the 16 year old and us and our 10 year old that are doing what we're supposed to do when feeling ill.14 -
I'm back and boosted UP. 😍 The Chief gave it to me. The head of the medical community. Why? Because he likes me and we visit. He told me this was his first time at it and he learned everything from utube. He remembered my first time with big tears running down my face. Today, he gave me two tissues and the floodgates opened. I blathered and foamed at the mouth. I told him about everything. I asked him all kinds of questions and he showed me the latest info. I told him about my CTC family members and how they keep haranguing me. You know what he said? Hotdogs give you those same consequences. He doesn't have a date for the tweaked version for the variant. We talked about families in general. When you lose the ones you love, what are you left with?
I feel like something has moved over inside of me, I think I have someone else's DNA. Definitely Native American. Rolling ROFL's.4 -
The far from uncommon situation where people who are sick push themselves on other people still perplexes me to this day. AND the people who approach you when you keep opening a distance between you. If you're close enough for me to kick you on the shin... you're too *kitten* close! I don't want either your cooties or your halitosis or your pit odor or your premium aftershave camouflage you *kitten*! Just *kitten off* and keep them all to yourself, m'ok?11
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One of dh's golfing buddies just got Covid. As I mentioned in a previous post, my nephew and his family have it. And now President Biden.
I just wonder why everyone has let their guard down(including me) I'm not looking forward to school starting up again, especially with many of the schools no longer requiring masks and the summer filled with people back from vacations.
Because fatigue for me. I mask up on public transportation and inside Ubers... I don't mask much anywhere else because I had covid 3 times and am boosted and vaxxed.3 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »One of dh's golfing buddies just got Covid. As I mentioned in a previous post, my nephew and his family have it. And now President Biden.
I just wonder why everyone has let their guard down(including me) I'm not looking forward to school starting up again, especially with many of the schools no longer requiring masks and the summer filled with people back from vacations.
Because fatigue for me. I mask up on public transportation and inside Ubers... I don't mask much anywhere else because I had covid 3 times and am boosted and vaxxed.
So this thinking that you develop natural immunity to Covid is......wrong?
I got Covid about 3 months before vaccines were available, along with my dh. Neither of us is young and he's an overweight smoker. He said his felt like a bad cold and I was exhausted for a few days. He got it a 2nd time this last winter and said it felt like a bad cold. I self tested and evidently was negative(?). It really is an unpredictable thing, when it comes to who it's going to grab and grab good.
We're both vaxxed and boosted.1 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »One of dh's golfing buddies just got Covid. As I mentioned in a previous post, my nephew and his family have it. And now President Biden.
I just wonder why everyone has let their guard down(including me) I'm not looking forward to school starting up again, especially with many of the schools no longer requiring masks and the summer filled with people back from vacations.
Because fatigue for me. I mask up on public transportation and inside Ubers... I don't mask much anywhere else because I had covid 3 times and am boosted and vaxxed.
So this thinking that you develop natural immunity to Covid is......wrong?
I got Covid about 3 months before vaccines were available, along with my dh. Neither of us is young and he's an overweight smoker. He said his felt like a bad cold and I was exhausted for a few days. He got it a 2nd time this last winter and said it felt like a bad cold. I self tested and evidently was negative(?). It really is an unpredictable thing, when it comes to who it's going to grab and grab good.
We're both vaxxed and boosted.
I really do think it's a roulette wheel for symptoms and severity as well as lasting effects.3 -
https://www.umms.org/coronavirus/covid-vaccine/facts/immunity
https://www.science.org/content/article/more-people-are-getting-covid-19-twice-suggesting-immunity-wanes-quickly-some
'The coronavirus acquired so many mutations that newer versions became more transmissible and able to evade immunity. You can catch a version of Omicron after recovering from an older, non-Omicron variant. You can even get sick with one of the newer Omicron subvariants after getting over a different version of it, multiple times in the unvaccinated and vaccinated.'
There was a blowout in the waiting room. Another CTC member was arguing with a waiting couple and the nurse. She said, I'm here to get the booster but I don't know why. I've had it before and the man said, but you didn't die, did you. Then it went on from there. He told her she could refuse, just go home and die.' A total cluster. We've all lost that lovin' feeling out here in the wild, wild west.
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »One of dh's golfing buddies just got Covid. As I mentioned in a previous post, my nephew and his family have it. And now President Biden.
I just wonder why everyone has let their guard down(including me) I'm not looking forward to school starting up again, especially with many of the schools no longer requiring masks and the summer filled with people back from vacations.
Because fatigue for me. I mask up on public transportation and inside Ubers... I don't mask much anywhere else because I had covid 3 times and am boosted and vaxxed.
So this thinking that you develop natural immunity to Covid is......wrong?
I got Covid about 3 months before vaccines were available, along with my dh. Neither of us is young and he's an overweight smoker. He said his felt like a bad cold and I was exhausted for a few days. He got it a 2nd time this last winter and said it felt like a bad cold. I self tested and evidently was negative(?). It really is an unpredictable thing, when it comes to who it's going to grab and grab good.
We're both vaxxed and boosted.
As with vax immunity, the natural immunity wouldn't necessarily be expected to entirely prevent infection, rather we'd just hope for it to reduce severity next time. With the variants, though, that's not even a for-sure thing that severity would be less. Probably matters what our overall state of health is at time of infection, too - we all go through periods where we're better or worse nourished, rested, maybe recovering from some other thing, etc.2 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »One of dh's golfing buddies just got Covid. As I mentioned in a previous post, my nephew and his family have it. And now President Biden.
I just wonder why everyone has let their guard down(including me) I'm not looking forward to school starting up again, especially with many of the schools no longer requiring masks and the summer filled with people back from vacations.
Because fatigue for me. I mask up on public transportation and inside Ubers... I don't mask much anywhere else because I had covid 3 times and am boosted and vaxxed.
So this thinking that you develop natural immunity to Covid is......wrong?
I got Covid about 3 months before vaccines were available, along with my dh. Neither of us is young and he's an overweight smoker. He said his felt like a bad cold and I was exhausted for a few days. He got it a 2nd time this last winter and said it felt like a bad cold. I self tested and evidently was negative(?). It really is an unpredictable thing, when it comes to who it's going to grab and grab good.
We're both vaxxed and boosted.
What I'm hearing from the doctors at the post-COVID clinic where I work is that infection-based immunity to COVID lasts about 90 days and even that may not entirely protect against new variants. It's not like chickenpox or measles where once you've had it, you're set for life.6 -
If natural immunity can't prevent you from getting COVID again because the virus mutates too quickly, then why would the vaccine work when it doesn't even expose you to the entire antigen?3
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Backstory: my son is vaccinated per old job requirements, recently moved but no washer/dryer so has been using mine. Active cases are up and transmission is high all around. I'm double boosted with lots of health issues. I asked him to get boosted since he's here so often; he refused. I told him he'd need to wear a mask then; he chose to do his laundry elsewhere and told me 'to get over it already'.
There were some other comments along the line that being a hermit is worse for me than getting sick. We have very different personalities and I don't really like people or being around them.
This is only tangentially covid related; I'm still reeling at discovering our relationship is a lot worse than I thought.23 -
siberiantarragon wrote: »If natural immunity can't prevent you from getting COVID again because the virus mutates too quickly, then why would the vaccine work when it doesn't even expose you to the entire antigen?
Nobody claims the vaccine is perfect.
Despite mutations in the virus it does reduce your chances of catching it and greatly reduce the chances of severe disease if you do
so does natural infection - but of course natural infection unvaccinated has a much higher risk of severe outcomes.
This is not a new thing about Covid disease and vaccination - same principle applies to flu vaccine, for example.
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paperpudding wrote: »Nobody claims the vaccine is perfect.
They did originally. They said it was over 95% effective originally which is about as close to perfect as you get with vaccines. Now they can't even give us a number. Also, remember they originally claimed COVID mutated slowly and mutations were not expected to significantly reduce the efficacy of the vaccine? Believe the science, whatever it is this week.Despite mutations in the virus it does reduce your chances of catching it and greatly reduce the chances of severe disease if you do
No vaccine reduces your chance of GETTING a virus. The virus will still get into your body either way. It just reduces your symptoms and the ability of the virus to replicate (if the vaccine is effective, that is). Of course in some viruses, as with dengue fever and the vaccine trials for the original SARS, being infected once actually makes the symptoms worse if you are infected again.
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Ok - being pedantic then - a virus stops/ reduces your chances of getting disease from the virus.
Not technically of getting the virus.
No I never saw claims originally that the vaccine was perfect.8
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