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Joe Biden said if you get the “vaccine” you won’t get covid. Fauci/Birx said the same.
It HAS been said. Multiple times. Even when it obviously wasn’t true. Lots of people are disgruntled from getting “vaxxed” and still getting covid repeatedly.4 -
LemonMarmalade wrote: »Joe Biden said if you get the “vaccine” you won’t get covid. Fauci/Birx said the same.
It HAS been said. Multiple times. Even when it obviously wasn’t true. Lots of people are disgruntled from getting “vaxxed” and still getting covid repeatedly.
So, "Covid" is the disease that happens with SARS-Cov2 infection. The message was bungled. Presidents are not immunologists, virologists or epidemiologists. Most "journalists" are just trying to sell a story. It's good that we are learning what vaccines are but vaccines don't stop a virus from getting in, only from killing most people. The really absurd thing is that even doctors are getting it wrong.
Well, I say "absurd" but ask a doctor about weight loss if you think they have all the answers.
If [everyone] understood the science, and stopped listening to people who don't even understand how it works then they would see how these mRNA vaccines are really highly effective. There are no sterilizing vaccines for any virus. No vaccine stops infection forever, their function is to stop serious illness/hospitalization/death. Yes, they are sterilizing for a month or so - that wasn't a lie, it was ignorance of the actual way vaccines and the immune system work. Most of us had no reason to really understand any of this because most vaccines have been quietly doing their jobs for a long time.
Go listen to This Week In Virology. He wrote the textbook for Virology. (Columbia Professor of Virology, Vincent Racaniello.) There are several hundred episodes just on this virus and related topics.
https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/15 -
In my rural world, it's clear. There is no cardiologist or pulmonologist or infectious disease specialist. Last summer, four people died waiting in line for a transfer to another state. I was sitting outside in my vehicle by the ambulance entrance. I know the EMT's so they would come to the window and give me updates. I sat there all night long.
I'm not caught up in the national debate. Covid lungs. There is more disease than lung. More white than black on the CT scan. The segmented, un-encapsulated genome of the influenza virus is completely different than a coronavirus. It takes two strong hands to force air into the lungs of a covid patient when a ventilator cannot generate enough pressure to open them up.
Vaccinated people do not have ventilators turned off at age 28 when they don't wake up with one organ after another failing. Vaccinated people are not getting medically paralyzed to reduce the resistance against a machine trying to push air into their lungs when their bodies have worn out. They aren't leaving children behind to grow up without a parent. In my world, it's clear.13 -
cmriverside wrote: »LemonMarmalade wrote: »Joe Biden said if you get the “vaccine” you won’t get covid. Fauci/Birx said the same.
It HAS been said. Multiple times. Even when it obviously wasn’t true. Lots of people are disgruntled from getting “vaxxed” and still getting covid repeatedly.
So, "Covid" is the disease that happens with SARS-Cov2 infection. The message was bungled. Presidents are not immunologists, virologists or epidemiologists. Most "journalists" are just trying to sell a story. It's good that we are learning what vaccines are but vaccines don't stop a virus from getting in, only from killing most people. The really absurd thing is that even doctors are getting it wrong.
Well, I say "absurd" but ask a doctor about weight loss if you think they have all the answers.
If [everyone] understood the science, and stopped listening to people who don't even understand how it works then they would see how these mRNA vaccines are really highly effective. There are no sterilizing vaccines for any virus. No vaccine stops infection forever, their function is to stop serious illness/hospitalization/death. Yes, they are sterilizing for a month or so - that wasn't a lie, it was ignorance of the actual way vaccines and the immune system work. Most of us had no reason to really understand any of this because most vaccines have been quietly doing their jobs for a long time.
Go listen to This Week In Virology. He wrote the textbook for Virology. (Columbia Professor of Virology, Vincent Racaniello.) There are several hundred episodes just on this virus and related topics.
https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/
You are my hero! Well said.5 -
paperpudding wrote: »Ok - being pedantic then - a virus stops/ reduces your chances of getting disease from the virus.
Not technically of getting the virus.
No I never saw claims originally that the vaccine was perfect.
Obviously this was meant to say the vaccine stops/reduces your chances....
Just noticed my sentence doesnt make sense as is.
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LemonMarmalade wrote: »Joe Biden said if you get the “vaccine” you won’t get covid. Fauci/Birx said the same.
It HAS been said. Multiple times. Even when it obviously wasn’t true. Lots of people are disgruntled from getting “vaxxed” and still getting covid repeatedly.
Not being in USA, I havent followed everything Biden said. As pointed out above , he is not a health expert though so possibly misunderstood or misspoke in a way that people misunderstood what he said
That isnt a political statement - any leader could mean the message well but that happen
Certainly here in Australia that was not the message.
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OMG! I finally opened my last case of TP - 2019 vintage. The stock up has nothing to do with Covid, but when the pandemic hit, I was happy to have a prepper's storage closet, full larder and a victory garden going. Looks like I'm finally going to have to buy some Charmin some time in 2023.
On a more serious note, my entire reason for losing weight (6 stone) and exercising daily was because I feared obese out-of-shape me mightn't survive the virus. I finally did get Covid last month and thanks to Pfizer and a much healthier body, it was pretty much a two-day case of the sniffles.20 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »OMG! I finally opened my last case of TP - 2019 vintage. The stock up has nothing to do with Covid, but when the pandemic hit, I was happy to have a prepper's storage closet, full larder and a victory garden going. Looks like I'm finally going to have to buy some Charmin some time in 2023.
On a more serious note, my entire reason for losing weight (6 stone) and exercising daily was because I feared obese out-of-shape me mightn't survive the virus. I finally did get Covid last month and thanks to Pfizer and a much healthier body, it was pretty much a two-day case of the sniffles.
Good for you.
I wish they would have emphasized the roll good health plays (normal weight and exercise) in fights this from day 1.
Still not doing it
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Of course they're not, the pharmaceutical companies are making an absolute fortune from flogging the vaccine to the panic stricken masses. It's been shown that vitamin d is highly protective, particularly against the worst effects of respiratory infections...but are we hearing about that? Or the fact that most people, at least in Europe and America, are deficient in vitamin d and should be supplementing? Nope. Vitamin D3, taken with K2 is highly beneficial to our immunity and general health but it's also very cheap and only benefits us....not them...so...2 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »OMG! I finally opened my last case of TP - 2019 vintage. The stock up has nothing to do with Covid, but when the pandemic hit, I was happy to have a prepper's storage closet, full larder and a victory garden going. Looks like I'm finally going to have to buy some Charmin some time in 2023.
On a more serious note, my entire reason for losing weight (6 stone) and exercising daily was because I feared obese out-of-shape me mightn't survive the virus. I finally did get Covid last month and thanks to Pfizer and a much healthier body, it was pretty much a two-day case of the sniffles.
Good for you.
I wish they would have emphasized the roll good health plays (normal weight and exercise) in fights this from day 1.
Still not doing it.
There's a terrible track record for the general public paying attention to those kind of alarms, based on what's happened to various public health measures over the last few decades. I can understand why the medical establishment would think it'd be fruitless to blow that horn.
That said, for a person to not know or realize that from pretty early on, I think they'd mostly need to be exercising willful ignorance. It didn't take long, for example, before obesity was obviously and publically flagged as a risk factor for worse infection, along with some of the metabolic conditions that are common in that context.
For sure, for someone to not realize that a sub-par diet, excess body weight, and unfitness are health risks in a more general sense . . . well, with rare exceptions they'd need to be working at avoiding the realization, seems like. I've been one of those people, in some respects. It's pretty easy to ignore a clear message one doesn't want to act on, IME.
We've seen some folks here who got that message about Covid risk and lifestyle, mentioned it when they joined MFP; some have even stuck around and succeeded.9 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »OMG! I finally opened my last case of TP - 2019 vintage. The stock up has nothing to do with Covid, but when the pandemic hit, I was happy to have a prepper's storage closet, full larder and a victory garden going. Looks like I'm finally going to have to buy some Charmin some time in 2023.
On a more serious note, my entire reason for losing weight (6 stone) and exercising daily was because I feared obese out-of-shape me mightn't survive the virus. I finally did get Covid last month and thanks to Pfizer and a much healthier body, it was pretty much a two-day case of the sniffles.
Good for you.
I wish they would have emphasized the roll good health plays (normal weight and exercise) in fights this from day 1.
Still not doing it.
They did. Being obese and unhealthy was a risk factor. Being healthy also doesn't determine long covid or other long term health risks.9 -
DiscoveringLisa wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »OMG! I finally opened my last case of TP - 2019 vintage. The stock up has nothing to do with Covid, but when the pandemic hit, I was happy to have a prepper's storage closet, full larder and a victory garden going. Looks like I'm finally going to have to buy some Charmin some time in 2023.
On a more serious note, my entire reason for losing weight (6 stone) and exercising daily was because I feared obese out-of-shape me mightn't survive the virus. I finally did get Covid last month and thanks to Pfizer and a much healthier body, it was pretty much a two-day case of the sniffles.
Good for you.
I wish they would have emphasized the roll good health plays (normal weight and exercise) in fights this from day 1.
Still not doing it.
Of course they're not, the pharmaceutical companies are making an absolute fortune from flogging the vaccine to the panic stricken masses. It's been shown that vitamin d is highly protective, particularly against the worst effects of respiratory infections...but are we hearing about that? Or the fact that most people, at least in Europe and America, are deficient in vitamin d and should be supplementing? Nope. Vitamin D3, taken with K2 is highly beneficial to our immunity and general health but it's also very cheap and only benefits us....not them...so...
Most people? Where are your sources? :huh:8 -
DiscoveringLisa wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »OMG! I finally opened my last case of TP - 2019 vintage. The stock up has nothing to do with Covid, but when the pandemic hit, I was happy to have a prepper's storage closet, full larder and a victory garden going. Looks like I'm finally going to have to buy some Charmin some time in 2023.
On a more serious note, my entire reason for losing weight (6 stone) and exercising daily was because I feared obese out-of-shape me mightn't survive the virus. I finally did get Covid last month and thanks to Pfizer and a much healthier body, it was pretty much a two-day case of the sniffles.
Good for you.
I wish they would have emphasized the roll good health plays (normal weight and exercise) in fights this from day 1.
Still not doing it.
Of course they're not, the pharmaceutical companies are making an absolute fortune from flogging the vaccine to the panic stricken masses. It's been shown that vitamin d is highly protective, particularly against the worst effects of respiratory infections...but are we hearing about that? Or the fact that most people, at least in Europe and America, are deficient in vitamin d and should be supplementing? Nope. Vitamin D3, taken with K2 is highly beneficial to our immunity and general health but it's also very cheap and only benefits us....not them...so...
I supplement with vitamin D and heard absolutely nothing from REPUTABLE sources that this alone would protect me from COVID and so am vaxxed and boosted.12 -
DiscoveringLisa wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »OMG! I finally opened my last case of TP - 2019 vintage. The stock up has nothing to do with Covid, but when the pandemic hit, I was happy to have a prepper's storage closet, full larder and a victory garden going. Looks like I'm finally going to have to buy some Charmin some time in 2023.
On a more serious note, my entire reason for losing weight (6 stone) and exercising daily was because I feared obese out-of-shape me mightn't survive the virus. I finally did get Covid last month and thanks to Pfizer and a much healthier body, it was pretty much a two-day case of the sniffles.
Good for you.
I wish they would have emphasized the roll good health plays (normal weight and exercise) in fights this from day 1.
Still not doing it.
Of course they're not, the pharmaceutical companies are making an absolute fortune from flogging the vaccine to the panic stricken masses. It's been shown that vitamin d is highly protective, particularly against the worst effects of respiratory infections...but are we hearing about that? Or the fact that most people, at least in Europe and America, are deficient in vitamin d and should be supplementing? Nope. Vitamin D3, taken with K2 is highly beneficial to our immunity and general health but it's also very cheap and only benefits us....not them...so...
If "most people" do anything, it's not give a rats patootie about nutrition, and ignore information about it. People who show the slightest interest will've seen this stuff, I suspect.
The value of micronutrients isn't a profound secret, and the supplement purveyors have been happy to trumpet some micronutrient supplements as "supporting the immune system" and tell us that's important in times of pandemic. They can't go further rhetorically, because they'd have to prove the claims.
I've seen the claims you're talking about, mostly from moderately niche-y sources (often with skin in the game), about the value of D and K2 in the current scenario. I was already supplementing D (no-brainer for an aging woman in the geographic North, and BTW, recommended by an actual doctor who's presumably in the sway of the evil pharmaceutical machine). I recently started supplementing K2 with low expectation of return, but as you say, it's pretty cheap. In general, supplementing micros is a lower probability of benefit than eating sensibly, IMO, so I feel a little bit self-duped when I do so on spec, but I still do it sometimes. 🤷♀️
"panic stricken masses"? 🤣
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DiscoveringLisa wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »OMG! I finally opened my last case of TP - 2019 vintage. The stock up has nothing to do with Covid, but when the pandemic hit, I was happy to have a prepper's storage closet, full larder and a victory garden going. Looks like I'm finally going to have to buy some Charmin some time in 2023.
On a more serious note, my entire reason for losing weight (6 stone) and exercising daily was because I feared obese out-of-shape me mightn't survive the virus. I finally did get Covid last month and thanks to Pfizer and a much healthier body, it was pretty much a two-day case of the sniffles.
Good for you.
I wish they would have emphasized the roll good health plays (normal weight and exercise) in fights this from day 1.
Still not doing it.
Of course they're not, the pharmaceutical companies are making an absolute fortune from flogging the vaccine to the panic stricken masses. It's been shown that vitamin d is highly protective, particularly against the worst effects of respiratory infections...but are we hearing about that? Or the fact that most people, at least in Europe and America, are deficient in vitamin d and should be supplementing? Nope. Vitamin D3, taken with K2 is highly beneficial to our immunity and general health but it's also very cheap and only benefits us....not them...so...
The panic stricken masses?
nice use of emotional language there.
Do you mean the majority of people who have had the vaccine , as per medical recomendations?
We are certainly hearing from many medical sources about the overall ( not just avoiding Covid) benifits of healthy diet and weight control
and Vitamin D is a standard check in blood tests - and people advised to supplement if neccesary (and/or get more sunshine)
especially people at risk- ie those with osteoporosis, post menopausal women etc
Could you show your source of 'its been shown' - as far as I know the link between Vitamin D and Covid is tenuous (probably why we arent hearing more about it ) - but willing to see more conclusive evidence if you have any.
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Living in the UK I have little if any faith if any in our NHS systems and sympathy for those working in it. I have mostly given up visiting my doctors since I was dismissed for taking an interest in my health and saying I seemed to have a reaction to salicylate and would like to go back to immunology where the Professor had told me face to face He wanted to work with me to investigate the causes of all my issues including chemical sensitivity. The doctor I saw gave me a blank, dismissive, No. (Probably because I was a woman in my mid to late 60's at the time, and not long for this world.) I've seen one doctor since and I'm not convinced vit d is on the list of test he requested for me.
I've been following the Functional perspective, my thyroid and arthritis supplements come from this approach through a BANT Nutritionist, (UK only). I have more time for the Holistic Practitioners. I've seen time and time again about vit's d and k benefits. Even high dose vit C working as an antibiotic. I want good health and if it means I adjust what I eat and take supplements, I'll do it, as long as I know the whys and wherefores which you don't get with a prescription. Just take these, my dear! Thinking Levo which put me more asleep than I already was.
I've never fitted into the provided boxes my nhs practitioners have been given. I obviously did not know the right words/code I required being England born and bred. The first time I was failed by a doctor was when I had a massive boil on my forehead, eyebrow level, between my eyes. My eyes were virtually closed by the swelling and it more than hurt. He, the young doctor told me, I was only worried about my looks! I was 15/ 16 damn it, in agony. In floods of tears as left. I wanted to be able to see my text books and sewing and be pain free. I'd had more consideration for similar swellings on my fingers which were lanced when my mother was with me.
I was so angry and distressed even humiliated when I got home. I took out sewing machine, the arm which moves the thread to the needle struck my boil. Bathed in blood it was more than painful. My head had been no closer than usual when I ripped it open, to this day I still have a not so small indent, I know its there and why. I healed it with Old Wives Tales the holistic way. Salt water poultices which I'd been doing before I saw the doctor but it had not "cooked" in a week, which was why I sought medical advice and for my sins was dammed for my gender and probably his hormones I suspect. I should have complained, or demanded to see someone else.
I doubt I'll willing see another, I doubt I'd be permitted my pile of things because general medicines pills and things do not work for me, or the ones the NHS is happy to provide.11 -
cant speak for the NHS - but there in Australia Vitamin D is a regular request in standard base line bloods and any patient could request it if Dr did not add already.
Rest of your post didnt seem connected to Covid or to whether Vitamin D levels have any link to Covid immunity.3 -
paperpudding wrote: »cant speak for the NHS - but there in Australia Vitamin D is a regular request in standard base line bloods and any patient could request it if Dr did not add already.
Rest of your post didnt seem connected to Covid or to whether Vitamin D levels have any link to Covid immunity.
I'd bet the US varies in standard-ness, and a surprising (to me) number of people here don't seem to ask for specific blood tests or (among those I've discussed it with) necessarily had it occur to them that they could. My doctor's always added whatever I asked for, though I don't think I've asked for anything radical. (Have asked for D, B12, repeats of liver function . . . . don't remember what-all.)
Where I am, D was an add-on, not basic.5 -
paperpudding wrote: »cant speak for the NHS - but there in Australia Vitamin D is a regular request in standard base line bloods and any patient could request it if Dr did not add already.
Rest of your post didnt seem connected to Covid or to whether Vitamin D levels have any link to Covid immunity.
I'd bet the US varies in standard-ness, and a surprising (to me) number of people here don't seem to ask for specific blood tests or (among those I've discussed it with) necessarily had it occur to them that they could. My doctor's always added whatever I asked for, though I don't think I've asked for anything radical. (Have asked for D, B12, repeats of liver function . . . . don't remember what-all.)
Where I am, D was an add-on, not basic.
My current GP keeps a close eye on my vitamin D, but I've had 2 previous GPs tell me that testing it is a waste of money, most people are deficient and everyone should take 1000mg a day unless they have a job where they're outside all day. Didn't like that approach! But I have to admit, I never have a decent level and have had to supplement for years.1 -
Well, I threw up my hands and got the 2nd Pfizer booster (shot #4). IMU, the "available to over 50" CDC guidance recently turned into "recommended for over 50", and I'm certainly over 50, as well as having other risk (early COPD, but asymptomatic).
I'd been thinking I'd wait for a more variant-attuned alternative, but best guess is that it won't be here until Fall (though I recently heard maybe on a faster track than initially expected - don't have details).
Best guess also would be that they'd suggest a new variant injection not happen until 2-3 months after the basic one, so I don't think I'm introducing a lot of time-slack into getting a future variant one, but I could be wrong. 🤷♀️
BTW, near zero side effects from #4 for me, I think. I can feel a very slightly tender spot on upper arm if I push hard on it, but that's about it. NBD.10 -
I'm popping in for a minute, since I've been catching up on this post, and it's been a real eye-opener. Some of our posters are reasonable thinkers--Ann, Wolfman, PaperPudding, Chef Barbell, just to name a very few off-hand. I agree with your stance, as does my cardiologist BIL, who just says "You DON'T want long COVID". We do whatever he recommends, and will probably get another booster in the Fall when he tells us too. We had COVID in our family, here in Rome, in January and I had just had the booster 3 weeks before. I had no symptoms at all.
Right now COVID is everywhere in Italy. I keep hearing from people I know that have it, but all mild cases if they've been vaxxed. It's high tourist season here, and in the 100's. You just can't stay vigilant forever. As long as ICUs and hospitals aren't overrun, we'll be OK.
I'm laughing at certain posts--here's to you Lisa. I know people that didn't get vaxxed in my own family. My youngest son and one of my brothers (out of 5) is also against it, but that's a choice. Do what you will, but don't spout nonsense and expect people to agree. Hope you live a long and happy life.11 -
paperpudding wrote: »cant speak for the NHS - but there in Australia Vitamin D is a regular request in standard base line bloods and any patient could request it if Dr did not add already.
I had bloodwork done at the beginning of the pandemic when Australia went into 'lockdown' and as many of us as possible worked from home. I was very deficient in Vitamin D. It was very likely a contributor to the mild depression I experienced at the onset of the pandemic. I double dosed Vit D through Autumn and Winter and single dosed through spring and summer. I also stepped up my outdoor walks in sun safe periods of the day and moved my desk closer to a large window.
My Vit D levels are now satisfactory but still take supplements as I largely still work from home.
I was aware of the function of Vitamin D prior to COVID19 but had no idea that an Australian living in a northern state could be so deficient.4 -
DiscoveringLisa wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »OMG! I finally opened my last case of TP - 2019 vintage. The stock up has nothing to do with Covid, but when the pandemic hit, I was happy to have a prepper's storage closet, full larder and a victory garden going. Looks like I'm finally going to have to buy some Charmin some time in 2023.
On a more serious note, my entire reason for losing weight (6 stone) and exercising daily was because I feared obese out-of-shape me mightn't survive the virus. I finally did get Covid last month and thanks to Pfizer and a much healthier body, it was pretty much a two-day case of the sniffles.
Good for you.
I wish they would have emphasized the roll good health plays (normal weight and exercise) in fights this from day 1.
Still not doing it.
Of course they're not, the pharmaceutical companies are making an absolute fortune from flogging the vaccine to the panic stricken masses. It's been shown that vitamin d is highly protective, particularly against the worst effects of respiratory infections...but are we hearing about that? Or the fact that most people, at least in Europe and America, are deficient in vitamin d and should be supplementing? Nope. Vitamin D3, taken with K2 is highly beneficial to our immunity and general health but it's also very cheap and only benefits us....not them...so...
FYI - Dr. Fauci (the US guy) advocated taking vitamin D back in 2020 ...
“If you are deficient in vitamin D, that does have an impact on your susceptibility to infection. So I would not mind recommending, and I do it myself taking vitamin D supplements,” Fauci,79,
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/14/supplements-white-house-advisor-fauci-takes-every-day-to-help-keep-his-immune-system-healthy.html
I certainly heard about the benefits, it was widely reported. I've been taking it from the beginning.8 -
siberiantarragon wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Nobody claims the vaccine is perfect.
They did originally. They said it was over 95% effective originally which is about as close to perfect as you get with vaccines. Now they can't even give us a number. Also, remember they originally claimed COVID mutated slowly and mutations were not expected to significantly reduce the efficacy of the vaccine? Believe the science, whatever it is this week.Despite mutations in the virus it does reduce your chances of catching it and greatly reduce the chances of severe disease if you do
No vaccine reduces your chance of GETTING a virus. The virus will still get into your body either way. It just reduces your symptoms and the ability of the virus to replicate (if the vaccine is effective, that is). Of course in some viruses, as with dengue fever and the vaccine trials for the original SARS, being infected once actually makes the symptoms worse if you are infected again.
This worried me at first with the vaccine. But then I realized that if it were to happen with Covid the same antibody enhancement effect would happen after natural infection OR vaccine, and my chance of avoiding natural infection indefinitely was pretty much zero.
Does anyone know if subsequent infections tend to be worse? I am still a little nervous about this enhancement effect occurring with new variants. I'm vaxx'd, boosted (1) and had Covid (probably Omicron) in April. Would be curious to hear from anyone who has had multiple infections how that went for you ....1 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »OMG! I finally opened my last case of TP - 2019 vintage. The stock up has nothing to do with Covid, but when the pandemic hit, I was happy to have a prepper's storage closet, full larder and a victory garden going. Looks like I'm finally going to have to buy some Charmin some time in 2023.
On a more serious note, my entire reason for losing weight (6 stone) and exercising daily was because I feared obese out-of-shape me mightn't survive the virus. I finally did get Covid last month and thanks to Pfizer and a much healthier body, it was pretty much a two-day case of the sniffles.
Good for you.
I wish they would have emphasized the roll good health plays (normal weight and exercise) in fights this from day 1.
Still not doing it.
There's a terrible track record for the general public paying attention to those kind of alarms, based on what's happened to various public health measures over the last few decades. I can understand why the medical establishment would think it'd be fruitless to blow that horn.
That said, for a person to not know or realize that from pretty early on, I think they'd mostly need to be exercising willful ignorance. It didn't take long, for example, before obesity was obviously and publically flagged as a risk factor for worse infection, along with some of the metabolic conditions that are common in that context.
For sure, for someone to not realize that a sub-par diet, excess body weight, and unfitness are health risks in a more general sense . . . well, with rare exceptions they'd need to be working at avoiding the realization, seems like. I've been one of those people, in some respects. It's pretty easy to ignore a clear message one doesn't want to act on, IME.
We've seen some folks here who got that message about Covid risk and lifestyle, mentioned it when they joined MFP; some have even stuck around and succeeded.
It's a sad statement on the US population that the collective "we" just want a pill or shot to take care of an issue rather than taking reasonable personal responsibility to help mitigate a potential health issue. Sure getting the shots is important, but would be nice to also see some personal ownership instead of an average Covid weight gain of whatever the number is.
Just me ranting.
You want people to blame themselves for getting covid? 🙄2 -
siberiantarragon wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Nobody claims the vaccine is perfect.
They did originally. They said it was over 95% effective originally which is about as close to perfect as you get with vaccines. Now they can't even give us a number. Also, remember they originally claimed COVID mutated slowly and mutations were not expected to significantly reduce the efficacy of the vaccine? Believe the science, whatever it is this week.Despite mutations in the virus it does reduce your chances of catching it and greatly reduce the chances of severe disease if you do
No vaccine reduces your chance of GETTING a virus. The virus will still get into your body either way. It just reduces your symptoms and the ability of the virus to replicate (if the vaccine is effective, that is). Of course in some viruses, as with dengue fever and the vaccine trials for the original SARS, being infected once actually makes the symptoms worse if you are infected again.
This worried me at first with the vaccine. But then I realized that if it were to happen with Covid the same antibody enhancement effect would happen after natural infection OR vaccine, and my chance of avoiding natural infection indefinitely was pretty much zero.
Does anyone know if subsequent infections tend to be worse? I am still a little nervous about this enhancement effect occurring with new variants. I'm vaxx'd, boosted (1) and had Covid (probably Omicron) in April. Would be curious to hear from anyone who has had multiple infections how that went for you ....
It got worse each time and now i have long covid... this is with "healthy eating and supplements and blah blah blah".10 -
I have had covid twice. The 1st time November 2020 extreme headaches, with most every other symptom except difficulty breathing. I would say I was in bed sick for about 6 days. It took a couple months to get my stamina back to normal level. Just plain tired a big portion of the time.
I had covid again December 2021 (Most likely Omicron) and had a slight sore throat and runny nose for a couple days.
My husband contracted again at the end of January 2022 (family gathering, believe brother had it and spread to other family members). I never caught that time. There were 11 adults and 3 kids at the gathering. None of the kids caught it, and 5 adults caught it. (Just weird how it goes to some and not the others. BTW out of the 5 adults getting covid, 2 were vaxxed the other 3 unvaxxed. Others who did not get it were 3 vaxxed and 3 unvaxxed.)
My husband and I had covid at the same time the other prior times. His last experience with covid was loss of taste. Otherwise he didnt have any other symptoms. His taste returned.
Neither of us are vaxxed. Based upon information we have researched, we believe it is/was the best decision for us. As you can tell from above comment, we have family vaxxed and unvaxxed. His parents were both vaxxed (father passed from covid although he was fully vaxxed and 1 booster). My father 85, not vaxxed had covid and suffered the flu/cold symptoms for about 10 days + loss of smell. Fortunately he did not have any breathing issues. He never had long covid even though he is in the high category. (health and age)
There is such a wide variance in severity and contracting the virus. There is so much scientific evidence that contradicts itself from one study to the next. I honestly don't know what "science" is to be taken as factual science. This virus doesn't seem to have any rhyme or reason which might be part of the reason.
Everyone should make their own decision and hope we all make the best one for our own self.
I have enjoyed reading the thread quietly from my arm chair.
I am not an antivaxxer. I dont think there were long enough trials or studies for this. (I get it was considered a health emergency). At this point, I believe I have made the right choice for myself.
Stay healthy and happy!
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »siberiantarragon wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Nobody claims the vaccine is perfect.
They did originally. They said it was over 95% effective originally which is about as close to perfect as you get with vaccines. Now they can't even give us a number. Also, remember they originally claimed COVID mutated slowly and mutations were not expected to significantly reduce the efficacy of the vaccine? Believe the science, whatever it is this week.Despite mutations in the virus it does reduce your chances of catching it and greatly reduce the chances of severe disease if you do
No vaccine reduces your chance of GETTING a virus. The virus will still get into your body either way. It just reduces your symptoms and the ability of the virus to replicate (if the vaccine is effective, that is). Of course in some viruses, as with dengue fever and the vaccine trials for the original SARS, being infected once actually makes the symptoms worse if you are infected again.
This worried me at first with the vaccine. But then I realized that if it were to happen with Covid the same antibody enhancement effect would happen after natural infection OR vaccine, and my chance of avoiding natural infection indefinitely was pretty much zero.
Does anyone know if subsequent infections tend to be worse? I am still a little nervous about this enhancement effect occurring with new variants. I'm vaxx'd, boosted (1) and had Covid (probably Omicron) in April. Would be curious to hear from anyone who has had multiple infections how that went for you ....
It got worse each time and now i have long covid... this is with "healthy eating and supplements and blah blah blah".
Sorry to hear that you are suffering from long covid. I have a viral illness in June 2020 that resulted in post viral fatigue syndrome for 6ish months, but the illness itself was very mild. Basically a headache and extreme fatigue, which then took months to resolve. (Tested negative at the time but still think it might have been Covid). Then my bout with Omicron in April was like the worst flu ever had, but resolved with no significant after effects.
Is post viral fatigue basically the same as long Covid? I had a few months of daily headaches, fatigue, facial pain, twitching, vertigo, brain fog etc. No lung issues, more neurological type things.2 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »siberiantarragon wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Nobody claims the vaccine is perfect.
They did originally. They said it was over 95% effective originally which is about as close to perfect as you get with vaccines. Now they can't even give us a number. Also, remember they originally claimed COVID mutated slowly and mutations were not expected to significantly reduce the efficacy of the vaccine? Believe the science, whatever it is this week.Despite mutations in the virus it does reduce your chances of catching it and greatly reduce the chances of severe disease if you do
No vaccine reduces your chance of GETTING a virus. The virus will still get into your body either way. It just reduces your symptoms and the ability of the virus to replicate (if the vaccine is effective, that is). Of course in some viruses, as with dengue fever and the vaccine trials for the original SARS, being infected once actually makes the symptoms worse if you are infected again.
This worried me at first with the vaccine. But then I realized that if it were to happen with Covid the same antibody enhancement effect would happen after natural infection OR vaccine, and my chance of avoiding natural infection indefinitely was pretty much zero.
Does anyone know if subsequent infections tend to be worse? I am still a little nervous about this enhancement effect occurring with new variants. I'm vaxx'd, boosted (1) and had Covid (probably Omicron) in April. Would be curious to hear from anyone who has had multiple infections how that went for you ....
It got worse each time and now i have long covid... this is with "healthy eating and supplements and blah blah blah".
Sorry to hear that you are suffering from long covid. I have a viral illness in June 2020 that resulted in post viral fatigue syndrome for 6ish months, but the illness itself was very mild. Basically a headache and extreme fatigue, which then took months to resolve. (Tested negative at the time but still think it might have been Covid). Then my bout with Omicron in April was like the worst flu ever had, but resolved with no significant after effects.
Is post viral fatigue basically the same as long Covid? I had a few months of daily headaches, fatigue, facial pain, twitching, vertigo, brain fog etc. No lung issues, more neurological type things.
Those are my exact symptoms... so much fatigue and brain fog. When I had it the first time it was just a really bad cough that felt like I smoked 40 packs of cigarettes a day. When I had it the 2nd and 3rd times it was like flu on steroids (which was Christmas of 2021), that's when the lingering reduced lung capacity, fatigue and fog came.
ETA- I'm fully vaxxed and boosted as well as pretty healthy according to medical markers (slight HBP controlled by meds and diet). I agree there seems to be no rhyme or reason to long covid, but I FULLY believe the science behind the fact that I would be on a ventilator or worse the 2nd or 3rd time I caught it without vaccination, which is what they are supposed to do. 🤷♀️5 -
siberiantarragon wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Nobody claims the vaccine is perfect.
They did originally. They said it was over 95% effective originally which is about as close to perfect as you get with vaccines. Now they can't even give us a number. Also, remember they originally claimed COVID mutated slowly and mutations were not expected to significantly reduce the efficacy of the vaccine? Believe the science, whatever it is this week.Despite mutations in the virus it does reduce your chances of catching it and greatly reduce the chances of severe disease if you do
No vaccine reduces your chance of GETTING a virus. The virus will still get into your body either way. It just reduces your symptoms and the ability of the virus to replicate (if the vaccine is effective, that is). Of course in some viruses, as with dengue fever and the vaccine trials for the original SARS, being infected once actually makes the symptoms worse if you are infected again.
This worried me at first with the vaccine. But then I realized that if it were to happen with Covid the same antibody enhancement effect would happen after natural infection OR vaccine, and my chance of avoiding natural infection indefinitely was pretty much zero.
Does anyone know if subsequent infections tend to be worse? I am still a little nervous about this enhancement effect occurring with new variants. I'm vaxx'd, boosted (1) and had Covid (probably Omicron) in April. Would be curious to hear from anyone who has had multiple infections how that went for you ....
Anecdotally (i.e., based on folks I know), it's been somewhat variable whether it's worse or not as bad.
I suspect that these results are shaped not just by genetic characteristics of the basic virus itself, but also by
* the variant (similar or more different),
* the timing vs. previous vax/infection,
* general state of health of the person at point of infection (maybe even whether they've had some other bug recently, are well rested/nourished, more or less highly stressed in other ways at the time, etc.),
* viral load at the point of infection (I've read suggestions that if one gets a big whopping dose of viral particles all at once, the infection can be worse than if a smaller load, but that's just my understanding, not an authoritative opinion for which I can provide research evidence).
* who knows what else?4 -
I currently have Covid, kicked off 9 days ago with a throat tickle, graduated to razor throat and cough, body aches, and tiredness. 9 days later and I feel like I've only gotten better to a point. I'm exhausted. I've not left the house, I managed 2 full days of work from home (in PJs, on laptop in living room, non-strenuous work) and I could just go to sleep at any time. I have lost the cough for the most part, and I still have a bit of a stuffy nose but I am just completely, utterly wiped.
I'm also very high risk (immune suppressed, obese etc) and I cannot even begin to imagine where I'd be without the vax (I've had 4, was due for #4 when I got sick). Husband, who has T1 diabetes, asthma and hyper tension - all high risk factors - got off way lighter than me and has fully recovered aside from a little lingering cough.12
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