please tell me i'm not the only one.
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So when the going gets tough you are going to run? Why not just stay here and try to help improve the current sittuation? And if you are exposing yourself to the news a lot it will amplify all negative things as someone said earlier. Focus in on your own life and see what really is important. If you are actually legitimately suffering and your life will be ruined by living here for any longer you then maybe might consider moving... Think about your family, fellow citizens, and the fact that most countries save for like 5 are way worse then this country. Plus unless your grandparents are born in another country you will have an awful time getting full benefits in other countries. And Canada might have a general health care system but getting top quality care or specific surgeries done isn't a given right. You are put on a waiting list and the government will decide what you need. Obviously both types of health care have their pros and cons... Also Canada is suffering more then we are economically. I just saw that today in the currency exchange... theirs sucks compared to ours.0
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Completely agree! I love my country and all those who have fought and continue to fight for us. Wouldn't want to live anywhere elseGuess there are American's and their are fair weather Americans...
I'm proud to say I am an American
- In good times and in bad, this is the best country in the world! I wholeheartedly welcome all those that don't agree to find happiness elsewhere - Maybe it's the lack of faith that is half the problem...0 -
There's health care in the USA.
Here you either pay for it when you need it or get an employer to pay for you, or accept the limited care the government hands out.
In Canada you pay for it with your taxes and accept the limited care the government hands out.
I don't see much benefit of theirs over ours.
speaking for myself, my employer doesn't offer healthcare (well, they will, starting in february, but that is an entirely new thing for them), and i make too much money to qualify for the government stuff, at least the stuff i was provided information for at a clinic where they help you register for all that stuff. and i do periodically search for pay-them-myself plans, but they are RIDICULOUS... like, impossibly bad and/or expensive. so, for me, limited, wait-forever, comes-out-of-my-taxes healthcare would be better than what i have now, which is not a damned thing.0 -
Apparently you have not experienced living in another country...like Cuba or Mexico....why do you think they are all risking their lives to come here????
i really just want to move to canada. it's nice and cold and there's lots of hockey and health care.
While the health care system is nice, i've heard it takes forever to be seen for primary care.
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Have a nice stay, write when you can.0
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Apparently you have not experienced living in another country...like Cuba or Mexico....why do you think they are all risking their lives to come here????
i really just want to move to canada. it's nice and cold and there's lots of hockey and health care.
While the health care system is nice, i've heard it takes forever to be seen for primary care.
People are fleeing Cuba and Mexico because they're told the US is the "best place in the world" to make money to send back home to the families. Little do they know of the rampant racism that runs amok against "foreigners".
And it doesn't take "forever". If it's critical, you'll be seen really, really soon. But we still lack enough doctors and nurses for the free part of our health care. But if you have enough money, you can always go somewhere else to pay to be seen sooner.0 -
Ive been there and it is nice. I enjoyed the stay. But the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. There are no perfect countries.
This is so true! I appreciate our freedoms. I think many don't understand how very valuable they are until you go to another country who doesn't have them and see how they live and see what life could be like. I will keep the grass here on this side!
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It always makes me laugh when Americans complain about the Canadian health care system... Someone in this thread said something about people in the US getting insurance through their jobs - yeah, because most jobs just THROW benefits at their employees, right? And people without jobs can obviously afford to pay out of pocket for their medical fees. There certainly haven't been numerous reports of people going bankrupt because they or a close relative had a medical condition that required a lot of expensive care...
The "limited government healthcare" in Canada goes a much longer way than the "limited government healthcare" in the US. It's not perfect by any means, but come on. Yes, sometimes you have to wait a while to see a doctor, but I think never having to pay for it more than makes up for it.0 -
The answer is not to get out of the country. The solution to the problem is to take a stand, get active in politics, vote, DO SOMETHING to better the country.
funny thing is i do. i vote and i've gone to a couple city council meetings. and i went to the gulf to help clean up the oil spill. i do clean up projects for my city and i have gone to 18 protests. i recycle and i rescue abandoned animals. i make differences here and there but nothing that can make a sufficient change to the government.
I hope you enjoy Canada... It isn't uncommon for your generation to not appreciate the gifts this country has to offer. Just the fact that you can speak negatively of your country without consequence is a gift provided to you by the very country you speak poorly of - ironic...
except the fact that they're passing a bill to censor any negative comments about said government. freedom of speech ftw.
I would love to see your reputable source of information...
try searching SOPA. it's mainly to shut down any websites that use links to other websites or any information that isn't genuinesly theirs but they've already started censoring anything to do with OWS on twitter. any talk about meeting up to protest is not allowed to be published or it's deleted.0 -
It always makes me laugh when Americans complain about the Canadian health care system... Someone in this thread said something about people in the US getting insurance through their jobs - yeah, because most jobs just THROW benefits at their employees, right? And people without jobs can obviously afford to pay out of pocket for their medical fees. There certainly haven't been numerous reports of people going bankrupt because they or a close relative had a medical condition that required a lot of expensive care...
The "limited government healthcare" in Canada goes a much longer way than the "limited government healthcare" in the US. It's not perfect by any means, but come on. Yes, sometimes you have to wait a while to see a doctor, but I think never having to pay for it more than makes up for it.
I can't speak for Canada, but Australia's "Free" healthcare isn't free. The taxes are INSANE!0 -
There's health care in the USA.
Here you either pay for it when you need it or get an employer to pay for you, or accept the limited care the government hands out.
In Canada you pay for it with your taxes and accept the limited care the government hands out.
I don't see much benefit of theirs over ours.
Actually, you can get additional health care here in similar ways to the US: through where you're employed, where you're going to school, or you can pay for "better" types of health care beyond the standard provincial health care, which is there so even if you're absolutely dirt poor, you still have access to health care if you are a citizen of that province.0 -
I'm proud to be an American. I don't want to live any other place. I'm thankful for those who have fought for the freedom we have in this country. If someone doesn't like it and wants to leave, then please do so. No need to stay here and keep complaining.
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I keep my mouth shut on a lot of posts here but, THIS is where I draw the line!!!
If you think that there is a better country than America, you should definitely go there, as fast as you can. Don't let the door hit you in the *kitten*.
I'm not even going to get into the nationalized healthcare debate ... take it from someone who worked in the healthcare industry for 17 years ... If you think that ANYONE in America goes without proper healthcare ... YOU'RE WRONG!
Hope that you have a save trip and good luck with that.0 -
Apparently you have not experienced living in another country...like Cuba or Mexico....why do you think they are all risking their lives to come here????
i really just want to move to canada. it's nice and cold and there's lots of hockey and health care.
While the health care system is nice, i've heard it takes forever to be seen for primary care.
People are fleeing Cuba and Mexico because they're told the US is the "best place in the world" to make money to send back home to the families. Little do they know of the rampant racism that runs amok against "foreigners".
And it doesn't take "forever". If it's critical, you'll be seen really, really soon. But we still lack enough doctors and nurses for the free part of our health care.
Maybe in the boonies.. and I have American friends who, if they live in the boonies, don't have much choice or availability of doctors either.
I live in Canada - If I want to see my doctor for a sickness I can get an appt within the day. If he's on vacation I can walk into any clinic.0 -
The answer is not to get out of the country. The solution to the problem is to take a stand, get active in politics, vote, DO SOMETHING to better the country.
funny thing is i do. i vote and i've gone to a couple city council meetings. and i went to the gulf to help clean up the oil spill. i do clean up projects for my city and i have gone to 18 protests. i recycle and i rescue abandoned animals. i make differences here and there but nothing that can make a sufficient change to the government.
I hope you enjoy Canada... It isn't uncommon for your generation to not appreciate the gifts this country has to offer. Just the fact that you can speak negatively of your country without consequence is a gift provided to you by the very country you speak poorly of - ironic...
except the fact that they're passing a bill to censor any negative comments about said government. freedom of speech ftw.
I would love to see your reputable source of information...
try searching SOPA. it's mainly to shut down any websites that use links to other websites or any information that isn't genuinesly theirs but they've already started censoring anything to do with OWS on twitter. any talk about meeting up to protest is not allowed to be published or it's deleted.
that's the response I expected... try researching yourself not just blindly believing a bunch of banter about a subject from the viewpoint of who know who. find the bill you said "they" were in "fact" passing and read it for yourself... Don't be a sheep.0 -
I have become disillusioned and am DONE with politics.
The truth is there is really little difference between a democrat and republican. I have supported both - not out of ideology but accommodation. Whoever was best suited to help us reach our goals got support, and now that I am semi-retired, the game ends. The instrument could never be designed to measure my indifference. I doubt I'll even bother voting as our system works very well for me, and by not voting, I affirm that all is well no matter which set of hacks are in control.
I just wash my hands of it all!
As for leaving the USA, that's absurd for most people - especially me, but if you find a better deal, go for it.
I love this nation but hate politics.
I just take care of my own, live very well and am happy in spite of what I don't like.0 -
I'm an american and I've been living in Korea for about a year and a half. It's been good to me.
Came here to work, but it looks like I'll be moving around a good amount instead of going home soon.
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It always makes me laugh when Americans complain about the Canadian health care system... Someone in this thread said something about people in the US getting insurance through their jobs - yeah, because most jobs just THROW benefits at their employees, right? And people without jobs can obviously afford to pay out of pocket for their medical fees. There certainly haven't been numerous reports of people going bankrupt because they or a close relative had a medical condition that required a lot of expensive care...
The "limited government healthcare" in Canada goes a much longer way than the "limited government healthcare" in the US. It's not perfect by any means, but come on. Yes, sometimes you have to wait a while to see a doctor, but I think never having to pay for it more than makes up for it.
Good points. I really think it's a whole thing about being what you have been brought up with and what you have benefited from. Someone like me has really never been to the ER/doctor... I essentially have perfect health except for my weigh gain issues. And thyroid but that is easy to maintain. And really appreciate my health care as it's very convenient. But I have doctors in my family and a husband with a good job and full coverage health insurance... But the poor people here enjoy tons of government benefits. To the point where they almost are not motivated to make more or get screwed over for it because it's almost better to be on the poverty line with benefits then on your own with the same type of income barely making things meet. I can see how Canada's health care would be beneficial. Hopefully you aren't all raped in taxes from it.... at the same time health is a legitimate reason for taxing to an extent. Lol... as you can tell there is no black and white.0 -
Obama already made a deal with canada, allowing them to "take back" any americans who run there! (just look it up)
At first I wanted to pack up my family and move to england...But then I realized that life is short and no matter what we are all going to die, at any second our lives can be taken away! So why should I waste the little time that I have worrying about something that hasn't even happened yet...even if it does who knows if I'll be around to see it! My heart is still beating for a reason, weither it's God or the universe or whatever, for some reason I have been given This life and I am going to cherish and make the most of every second/breath I have! idk, that's the way I see it.0 -
Have a nice stay, write when you can.
Or not. Just sayin.0 -
Obama already made a deal with canada, allowing them to "take back" any americans who run there! (just look it up)
At first I wanted to pack up my family and move to england...But then I realized that life is short and no matter what we are all going to die, at any second our lives can be taken away! So why should I waste the little time that I have worrying about something that hasn't even happened yet...even if it does who knows if I'll be around to see it! My heart is still beating for a reason, weither it's God or the universe or whatever, for some reason I have been given This life and I am going to cherish and make the most of every second/breath I have! idk, that's the way I see it.
you make a really good point. however much a would love to go to canada or england (i love england) the money and time spent would be counterproductive. i could be using that time and money in a way that would better my life more than leaving. ughh i wish i didn't take that stupid history course. it's gotten me all paranoid.0 -
I'm not even going to get into the nationalized healthcare debate ... take it from someone who worked in the healthcare industry for 17 years ... If you think that ANYONE in America goes without proper healthcare ... YOU'RE WRONG!
I'm sorry - are you high right now? That is such a ridiculous statement.
Try reading this when you get the chance. http://www.acponline.org/advocacy/where_we_stand/access/cost.pdf
"It has been estimated that lack of health insurance leads to the death of 18,000 adults ages 25 to 64 each year—making it the sixth-leading cause of death in this age group, ahead of HIV/AIDS or diabetes."
More people between 25 and 64 die in the US every year because they were not able to seek medical care than of HIV/AIDS or diabetes and you're honestly saying that nobody in the country goes without "proper healthcare"?0 -
Bobby, sad to hear that you are that illusioned about politics. I agree most of them are greedy, selfish, power hungry people but it is up to us to change that, or at least make it better. If "we the people" do not vote and make a stand in whatever we believe in, one day we may not have that option. Wouldnt it be horrid if we were told what career path we would take because the governement needed more workers in that occupation. Or if you are religious, you had to hide in a dark basement to practice your religion or be thrown in jail or even killed by the government? You do realize that is happeing in the world tonight as we post this!
You have your freedom to feel however you wish, but the involvement of a lot of brave, involved people gave you that right and allow us to keep that right. Lets not give up !0 -
Just have to add in my two cents as a Canadian.
My experience with our health care system has been amazing. I am truly grateful for it and have had wonderful doctors, and the government does not decide anything about further care...my doctor decides if I need to see a specialist, etc. I would say, like anywhere, there are good doctors and not-so-good doctors, but I have had overwhelmingly good experiences with our health care system. It's not perfect, but it's very, very good.
Also, our economy has been very stable over the last several years, and our dollar is currently very close to par with the U.S. dollar. Markets are so volatile these days, one really needs to look at overall trends and not a one-day snapshot, so to speak.
While I am a proud Canadian, I also know there are no perfect countries, as someone else has said. We have our issues, but I happen to think overall we're pretty awesome. 0 -
I'm somewhat tempted to jump ship to Canada.
On the other hand it feels wrong to just give up instead of fight to make things better here.
i've been contemplating canada. but the way things are turning out - it seems to me like OWS protesters are going to start being beaten or arrested for trying to change anything. the same thing going on in syria and what happened in egypt this past january. and they've BEEN fighting to no avail.
You do realize the Occupy people are breaking THOUSANDS of laws not the least of which is tresspassing and destruction of propery.. they have been asked to leave hundreds of times. They are lucky they are just getting tear gassed and arrested. They are PART of the problem.. not the solution.
I'm guessing you don't vote, so you're not voicing your opinion...
OWS, is at least doing something about it. why dont you take into consideration the 1% who get tax cuts for having a plane. Or killing the 99%. OWS are the people who lost their homes,have no food to put on the table, students, the unemployed,etc. At least they are standing up and trying to do something instead of just complaining. If you want to know I was registered to vote since 2007 the year I turned 18.
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Dont know if this is true or not but this is an interesting take:
http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html0 -
Wow, poor girl was only stating her feeling of disallution (sp?) with the government and her feeling like she wanted to live elsewhere. Whether it's just a knee-jerk reaction to something she read, or something she has thought about for a while, it's her decision to make. Some of the comments directed at her were just nasty. Come on people, just because someone does not feel the same as you, or see an issue the same way, does NOT give you the right to be so snotty.0
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:explode: Totally feel exact same way, especially now because of that recent law and the presidential candidates are horrendous. My bf and I started looking into becoming Canadian citizens, I am going to try to get a working visa and get hired and so is my bf, or he will come on school visa; luckily I am extremely good at my field and it will be relatively easy to get job in any major city.
It's going to be a hard process, but my bf and I just want to get the f*** out of here. I got friend in Canada who is helping us out, her friend has just became a Canadian citizen. Their citizen test is going to be pretty easy too, all you need to study is 68 page PDF file, everything on the test is in that booklet. I have studied more than that in high school history class, lol
And you have to live there only for 3 years to become a permanent resident, after you're a permanent resident you can apply for citizenship!
I have bad feeling about where this country is going, quite frankly I am afraid especially because of recent changes, our government is losing it's mind; we need a whole new system here. There are no longer working in the "interest" of the people, they profit of our suffering, the bank and medical systems are especially broken down, the government gave 17 Billions dollars to bail out the banks and they didn't even monitor them! CEOs profits grew, while more and more homes were being shut down.
Don't even get me started on health care system and education...our government doesn't represent us anymore, they are even taking our basic human rights away...
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Okay, but is there any place actually better?
1. While clashes continue in the centre of Cairo, Egypt is headed towards a major financial and economic crisis.At the moment, there is a government with little control and no sense of direction. Meanwhile, there is a degree of chaos, with a rash of strikes, including one even by the police force.
2. Demonstrations have spread across a swath of the Middle East and Africa.Throughout the Middle East and North Africa, civilian protests and revolts have erupted as people’s frustrations with their conditions appear to have boiled over.
3. Great Britain and other parts of the world are experiencing unrest at a time of global economic uncertainty and stock market volatility.
4.Some 250,000 people took to the streets of Tel Aviv, Israel, on Saturday over the rising cost of living. Demonstrations actually began last month when a few people set up tents in an expensive part of Tel Aviv to protest rising property prices.
5. Spain, Greece , Portugal All three of these European Union nations have experienced protests and rioting in reaction to government austerity programs and bad economic conditions.
6.The Philippines Thousand of workers took to the streets throughout the country in May of this year to march for higher pay. They demanded better wages in light of rising inflation, including higher oil prices.
6. China Nearly 1,000 cab drivers in eastern China blocked traffic and protested rising fuel costs. It was the latest sign of discontent about the country's surging inflation. Inflation is hitting China hard, with food prices recently increasing 12 percent
7. MEXICO CITY - Indiscriminate kidnappings. Nearly daily beheadings. Gangs that mock and kill government agents.Mob murders doubled, taking more than 5,300 lives last year. Businesses have closed because they can't afford to pay monthly extortion fees to local thugs.
8. A couple of years ago, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that the healthcare system violates Quebec’s charter of rights because it collects taxes, promises healthcare in return, forbids competing suppliers and then often doesn’t deliver the care. Canada-wide average wait times for surgery is 17.8 weeks, though in Saskatchewan, wait times for hip replacements are as long as a year and a half. That’s after a physician has ordered the surgery. Getting to see a physician in the first place is very difficult. Family physicians are the gatekeepers of the health care system. Patients cannot obtain access to specialist services without having a general practitioner referral. The doctor shortage is so severe now that doctors have begun resorting to lotteries to kick people off their patient rostersThe Canadian health care system resembles a county hospital. Our patients pay little or nothing. They wait three months for an elective MRI scan and a couple of months to get into a subspecialty clinic
Oh yea, I want to move right now!!! Obama's term will end on 1/20/2013. I'm willing to wait to see what the next Commander In Chief does for our country before jumping ship.0 -
i really want to move out of the country before the government takes away all of my rights completely. with all of the new laws being passed to censor people's opinions in the media, increasing the taxes, and rick perry trying to run for president, i want to get out asap. people think i'm joking but i just have this feeling that things are going to take a turn for the worse very shortly. anybody else in america feeling this way right now?
Ive been feeling this way for years. Sometimes I feel like the only one that is freaking out about s&&t that is going down, but I know there are others out there. I've been wanting to go to Canada for a while. The American govmt is becoming a bunch of bullies and the 99% do not matter regardless of what they tell us. Most people are sheep and have that ignorant attitude of "I love my country". Don't get me wrong, America can be a wonderful place, but not with our govmt going down the path it is with no chance of positive changes for us in the near future.0
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