Legit question regarding building muscle and calories

Next you will be including this in your statement?

But more specific approaches can be effective in achieving this goal. The Ultimate Diet 2.0 has often generated muscle gains while people dieted to single digit body fat levels (I’d note that the gain in muscle never reaches equality with the fat loss) but it also alternates specific dieting and gaining phases during the week.

Key point bolded.

Muscle growth and fat loss are NOT occurring simultaneously.

Read the book.

Can they happen in a staggered fashion such that you lose fat in the morning and gain muscle at night?

This is the basic premise behind IF. The goal is basically alternating microcycles of "cutting" (fasting window) and "bulking" (feeding window).

The evidence is still equivocal as to its efficacy, but there is some anecdotal evidence that supports it. (See the Leangains.com site for more info).

So over longer periods of time, like a week or a month, is it possible to both lose fat, but also gain muscle such that the fat loss exceeds the muscle gain calorically, netting a caloric deficit overall?

Let me word this carefully so, we know who, can understand it. From all I have read, and from what I have seen, the answer is yes. But you have to be doing things right, you have to have the right nutrition paired with the right exercise program. Are you going to be able to do it using MFP calorie in calorie out simple calculations? Probably not, you will need to educate yourself in the finer points of how the body works. There are some good links already provided if you want to learn more. And don’t stop there read all you can and listen to your body, if it’s working for you, stick with what you are doing, if not try something else.

Let me word this carefully so, we know who, can understand it. From all I have read, and from what I have seen, the answer is yes. But you have to be doing things right, you have to have the right nutrition paired with the right exercise program. Are you going to be able to do it using MFP calorie in calorie out simple calculations? Probably not, you will need to educate yourself in the finer points of how the body works. There are some good links already provided if you want to learn more. And don’t stop there read all you can and listen to your body, if it’s working for you, stick with what you are doing, if not try something else.

Yeah I figured it was possible overall, but I considered myself lucky to not have any negative problems as a result of my diet and cardio combination since I'm sort of winging the diet aspect of it.

I just think its funny that after all this arguing, it then comes out that you can accomplish this using an IF plan. Why the heck couldn't he just say that in the first place instead of saying fat loss and muscle gain are not possible at the same time?

Because of the bolded statement.

Too many readers here believe that they can do just that, which is why I went after your statement that the body can use stored fat to fuel muscle growth.

No I think you just like to argue with people. Too caught up in the small details and not making the point you are trying to make very clear.

Ok I haven't bothered to read most of this thread as the majority of it is just arguing, so I apologize if this has already been said.

You CAN build muscle on a caloric deficit. It's not an optimal or efficient way to build muscle but it can be done. Your deficit would have to be very moderate and your protein intake high. The lower your current bodyfat level and the more trained the individual, the harder it is.

So... is it possible? Yes. Should most people attempt it? No.

So what type of cycle could one use to achieve both without having to do one then the other?

IE- Drop 50lbs of fat by way of calorie reduction and cardio, then build back muscle by way of calorie surplus & heavy lifting?

I would hate to think in order to be muscular with a fairly low % of body fat I gotta lose the weight first then start bulking up in a 2 step process.

Could one do a 1-month shred - 1 month bulk cycle and still meet their goals?

So what type of cycle could one use to achieve both without having to do one then the other?

IE- Drop 50lbs of fat by way of calorie reduction and cardio, then build back muscle by way of calorie surplus & heavy lifting?

I would hate to think in order to be muscular with a fairly low % of body fat I gotta lose the weight first then start bulking up in a 2 step process.

Could one do a 1-month shred - 1 month bulk cycle and still meet their goals?

So what type of cycle could one use to achieve both without having to do one then the other?

IE- Drop 50lbs of fat by way of calorie reduction and cardio, then build back muscle by way of calorie surplus & heavy lifting?

I would hate to think in order to be muscular with a fairly low % of body fat I gotta lose the weight first then start bulking up in a 2 step process.

LBM increased in SR by 2.1% ± 0.4% (p < .001), whereas it was unchanged in FR (-0.2% ± 0.7%), with significant differences between groups (p < .01).