Dr Oz says people who cheat lose more weight
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I like the sounds of it. However, I read through all the comments and no one seems to answer questions like, "Is it moderation? Do we eat anything and everything?", etc. I really am curious. On my spike days, do I eat whatever I want all day or just one meal? Do I still try to stay near my calorie/fat/sodium goals?
Well,if you follow the OP's approach (in his book) he suggests the Spike day should be RMRx2. For me that is 4,000 calories. I eat whatever I want pretty much. I've done cheat meals before etc. but I can tell you a cheat day of 4,000 calories is very different. It's the one day a week where I feel like I'm one of those people who can get away with grabbing a snickers bar on the checkout line, down a couple of beers and so on without feeling guilty.
You should make sure your overall calorie intake for the week is in deficit though, so basically make sure you stick to your planned intake the other 6 days.0 -
Do you feel he's a quack because he believes in alternative medicine and being able to heal certain parts of yourself?
Yep!
Maybe because I'm from the East I tend to believe and have seen results using natural products that can be picked straight from the earth. I'm not saying that every single thing can be cured that way but general things I tend to use and have seen results, but thats just from personal experience, from yours and several other responses I feel they have either never tried it or it has not worked for them.
This has nothing to do with personal experience. It has to do with medicine and science. Human bodies are not made up of different material if you're from the East or West.
He's recommended homeopathy which is dangerous to people suffering from real diseases. These medical scams are nothing new. You can tell me all about the great personal experiences people have had with homeopathy, faith healing, ionized/magnetic bracelets, reikki, or bare handed surgery in a third world country. They are all dangerous scams. Many testimonials are outright fakes. I do everything I can to prevent people from falling for these scams and the scam artists who employ them. They are dangerous and a waste.
^He's right.
He can, however, dance.
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I like the sounds of it. However, I read through all the comments and no one seems to answer questions like, "Is it moderation? Do we eat anything and everything?", etc. I really am curious. On my spike days, do I eat whatever I want all day or just one meal? Do I still try to stay near my calorie/fat/sodium goals?
I was told by my nutritionist to go eat whatever I want, I decided to go with one meal and I still chose somewhat healthy just a large portion with sauce and all the good stuff I stay away from. I have done it on saturdays and even twice a week so far and I have lost 21 lbs in a month. I'm still hesitent about going to McDonalds because I think that will be more of a mental thing to going back to old habits but he said go for it....Not going to do it just yet haha0 -
I usually have a cheat day on Sat but I try to just do it for dinner somehing that I really want.0
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I have to admit i have done this too and still lost....Im thinking there should be a cheat day if not once a week then once every two:)0
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I totally agree with this theory and will be trying it soon, not because Dr. Oz said so, but because there are so many responses by people on here that are in the same boat..........thanks everyone for sharing.:bigsmile:0
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I'm watching the episode now, and it's not really the kind of cheat day I envisioned. It had nothing to do with calorie spiking (the day's total was 1400 calories) and included meals that I would eat on a normal day (the whole wheat pizza sounded yummy!). I guess he can't entirely endorse eating excessively, but what was advertised certainly didn't match his explanation. I still like the show, I just don't think his interpretation of cheat day was the same as some of ours.
As for me, I'll continue to cheat/spike until it stops working for me!0 -
:laugh: :laugh:
I actually really like the OZ, granted I don't watch all of his shows and I have disagreed with some of his comments. Overall though I think he's a good guy.
I'm excited because I've been doing this for about 8 years now when I began losing over 100lbs. It's one of those things that many in the "mainstream" have a hard time understanding because it's so counter intuitive. Dr Oz, has a huge "mainstream" following and there are many people who won't listen to me but will believe it if Dr. Oz says it.
This is 100% true, studies back this and anecdotal evidence backs this. Honestly the most important benefit to "spiking" is being able to maintain the weight loss because 95% of the people who lose weight the old fashioned way end up gaining it back.
My plan is simply,
6 Days of a calorie deficit
1 Day of a calorie surplus (Spike Day)
Overall for the 7 days, you will be in a caloric deficit, but Spike Day breaks the trend of of calorie restriction and spikes leptin levels back up which then drops our cravings and increases metabolism.0 -
I am new here. Jan joiner. I have lost 7lbs. I take Sunday as my 'day off' it is my weigh in day. I weigh in first thing in the morning then just enjoy my day. I still log everything I just don't worry about it. I feel it is working for me. It helps me stay focused the rest of the week.
I still have 'treats' during the week if I want & if I have the spare calories. The other night I had 96 left so I had two thin mint girl scout cookies. I have split a milky way in half, thoroughly enjoyed my half & left the other half in the fridge for another day when I had room for it.
All in moderation. And, if you can't control if you 'cheat' maybe you shouldn't. But it is working for me.0 -
I'm watching the episode now, and it's not really the kind of cheat day I envisioned. It had nothing to do with calorie spiking (the day's total was 1400 calories) and included meals that I would eat on a normal day (the whole wheat pizza sounded yummy!). I guess he can't entirely endorse eating excessively, but what was advertised certainly didn't match his explanation. I still like the show, I just don't think his interpretation of cheat day was the same as some of ours.
As for me, I'll continue to cheat/spike until it stops working for me!
So it was simply for the mental break? :huh:
I'm very disappointed.
You can eat "junk food" but if you are still in a calorie deficit it will do nothing for the hormonal balance.0 -
Actually it's quite dumb, if the day was just 1,400 calories.
That would mean if you had 2 slices of pizza and a bowl of ice cream you would have used up more than half of your daily calories.
:drinker:
Whatever Dr. Oz0 -
This was right on time!!!
I was just getting on to myself after logging my terrible lunch that I told myself would be my "unplanned" cheat meal.0 -
I don't think they're should be a cheat day, but maybe one cheat meal, because if you are use to eating 1200 calories and then you have a cheat day and consume 2500 the extra 1300 calories will be stored as fat!0
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Actually it's quite dumb, if the day was just 1,400 calories.
That would mean if you had 2 slices of pizza and a bowl of ice cream you would have used up more than half of your daily calories.
:drinker:
Whatever Dr. Oz
Well he modified all of the "cheat" foods so that they were actually pretty healthy. It really was just a mental thing. It wasn't really cheating on your diet because it stayed within the calorie limit, and probably the nutritional limits too. It was more like cheating your MIND into thinking you could eat all your favourite foods for one day.0 -
No it won't. First of all you need to get past maintenance which should be well above the 1200 level, probably closer to 2000 calories, and when it's one day of overeating the next few days of undereating will on a linear basis make no difference and the extra calories over maintenance was actually to help reset hormones for continual fat burning as opposed to metabolic slowdown that occurs from dieting.I don't think they're should be a cheat day, but maybe one cheat meal, because if you are use to eating 1200 calories and then you have a cheat day and consume 2500 the extra 1300 calories will be stored as fat!0 -
Dr. Oz's cheat day isn't much of a cheat day in my opinion. This menu looks like the kind of menu I would aim for on a daily basis.
Breakfast: Eat Your Cheat Fat
2 strips of turkey bacon
2 eggs
Whole wheat wrap
A.M. Snack: Eat Your Cheat Salt
1 oz Brie or goat cheese
7 whole-grain crackers
Grapes
Tall glass of water
Lunch: Eat Your Cheat Carb
1 slice of whole wheat pizza topped with grilled chicken and veggies
P.M. Snack: Eat Your Cheat Sugar
½ cup low-fat frozen yogurt
10 almonds
Dinner: Eat Your Cheat Protein
4-ounce lean strip steak
Root veggie “fries"0 -
heck ya i indulge from time to time .. no way i wouldve made it otherwise ..indulging is different for me now.. i try to plan it for one thing so i dont binge. i allow myself to go to a restaurant and enjoy a meal and i allow myself to indulge in a dessert i really want to have once in awhile. nothing wrong with it if you are on the right track, exercising regularly and doing what you are supposed to be doing. i find now that when i do indulge its not as much because i am so used to eating smaller meals. my stomach fills up really super fast so i cant binge even if i wanted to any more .0
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I don't think they're should be a cheat day, but maybe one cheat meal, because if you are use to eating 1200 calories and then you have a cheat day and consume 2500 the extra 1300 calories will be stored as fat!
Actually it won't.
There are two main types of energy storage.
Bodyfat - long-term storage
Glycogen- short-term
When we are dieting glycogen gets burned through rather quickly and our body stores excess calories back there first because it's a higher priority.
Most people can store around 1,600-3,000 calories of glycogen, when we overeat the extra calories get stored there first and once glycogen is at capacity the remaining is converted to triglycerides and stored as fat.
For me a weekly Spike Day is a necessity for me to maintain my weight loss, and the fact that I eat donuts and pizza is just the added bonus.0 -
Either way it confuses your metabolism, which keeps it from becoming stagnant! I only allow myself one cheat meal a week, but boy do I make sure it's worth it!
Good luck to everyone!
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No it won't. First of all you need to get past maintenance which should be well above the 1200 level, probably closer to 2000 calories, and when it's one day of overeating the next few days of undereating will on a linear basis make no difference and the extra calories over maintenance was actually to help reset hormones for continual fat burning as opposed to metabolic slowdown that occurs from dieting.I don't think they're should be a cheat day, but maybe one cheat meal, because if you are use to eating 1200 calories and then you have a cheat day and consume 2500 the extra 1300 calories will be stored as fat!
Absolutely.
Another great thing is Spike Days make your workouts much more effective, especially the day after because of the hormones and glycogen.
Growth hormone
Leptin
and testosterone all get a "Spike" after overeating.0 -
I dont care if hes right or not, I still wish horrible things on Dr Oz0
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I don't do cheat meals or cheat days.
I do, however, eat what I want - when I want it. I simply eat it in moderation. Nothing spells "diet" like having to wait for a special day to have something I really enjoy. If I want a Reese's (or in the case of yesterday - pretzel M&M's), I want it NOW. Right this minute. I do not want to wait until the 3rd Saturday of the month or whatever. I prefer to enjoy life NOW instead of always waiting for something.
I've lost nearly 60lbs and I've been in maintenance for 18 months. I know that what I'm doing works for me. Cheat days/cheat meals did not work for me (I would end up binge eating because I was depriving myself of whatever I happened to want at that moment). If it works for some, awesome. But, it may not work for all.
This is how I feel/what I do as well.0 -
Here's the facts.
None of us can defy the Law of Thermodynamics (Calories in versus out)
The problem is constant calorie restriction(diet and exercise) causes leptin to drop.
*7 days of restriction can cause leptin to drop by up to 50%
*There's a correlation between the amount it drops and the level of cravings we feel
*leptin decline can deregulate metabolism and begin slowing it down
So the amount of calories we eat has a direct effect on the calories we expend
*Also take into account depleted glycogen storage from calorie restriction and how that has a huge negative effect on our workouts.
*12 hours of overeating spikes leptin back up by 50-60% These elevated levels last through the following morning and perhaps longer.
(Calories out)
I will use me as an example,
This is the simplest explanation of how I did it.
My BMR is 2,300
My estimated TDEE multiplier is 1.55 (I'm active daily and exercise about 1.5 hours a week)
So for the week I burn about 3565(daily) X 7= 24,955 Calories burned
(Calories In) I daily I alternate high and low calories
2,300 X 3(days) = 6900
1,800 X 3(days) = 5400
Spike Day 2X(BMR)= 4,600
Total calories consumed 16,900
Weekly deficit - 24,955-16,900= 8,055/(3500cals for pound) =
2.3 pounds lost per week
What's amazing is I lost 105lbs in 11 months and that is about 2.2 pounds per week.
No plateaus, and I got quite a bit stronger because I was able to workout much more efficiently due to glycogen and my hormones being balanced.
Every week I had a day to be excited about where i could literally eat whatever I wanted and that helped me stay honest the other 6 days.
It's so simple, I wish everyone would do this, and now you don't need to by my book. :happy:0 -
Bump for the web site I found it very informative I have been zig zaging my calories within a weekly limit weight loss cals plus exercise cals seems to be working0
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I am so glad to read this! I love my cheat days, which are usually Friday's!!!0
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Dr. OZ has a new weight loss miricale with each espidode. If I did everything he said, I wouldn't stop chewing supplments, drinking tea, and doing lunges. He needs to pick a habit and stick to it.0
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This isn't really news... trainers have been saying it for years. But its one of those things where the who, when, and how often really are different for everyone. I don't PLAN a cheat day or a spike day, not because I don't really believe in it, but because I know things will come up and I will go over here or there. I let myself have that flexiblity but I don't want to train my mind in to overeating a certain day each week.0
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Ok..maybe I need to watch that show because all I got from these posts is that everyone cheats with a guy named Spike. I'm sure he's getting all the exercise he needs.
Thanks for the :laugh: today!0 -
Actually it's quite dumb, if the day was just 1,400 calories.
That would mean if you had 2 slices of pizza and a bowl of ice cream you would have used up more than half of your daily calories.
:drinker:
Whatever Dr. Oz
Well he modified all of the "cheat" foods so that they were actually pretty healthy. It really was just a mental thing. It wasn't really cheating on your diet because it stayed within the calorie limit, and probably the nutritional limits too. It was more like cheating your MIND into thinking you could eat all your favourite foods for one day.
Hmmm I don't need to trick my mind because I eat healthier versions of whatever I want every day. :P Also 1400 calories would be more restricted than my normal intake.0
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